Regarding your watch list on the subject of the supposed Triamantes,three-eyed ogres of Cretan modern folklore posited as a cognate in the main article for the Cyclops. You are not quite on firm ground. While not indexed in JStore it does appear in a scholarly footnote. Moreover, I recall the locus classics is the archaeologist and anthropologist Paul Faure's books on Cretan caves and the shepherd folklore connected with them. Sorry I can't give the precise citation but if you think it worthwhile I could research it. I am a recently retired Research Librarian and Archivist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Verrastro (talk • contribs) 20:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-17T20:45:00.000Z","author":"Charles Verrastro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Charles_Verrastro-2020-05-17T20:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		The Epic Barnstar
		For tireless vandalism reverts and all-around improvements to classical-themed articles, I hereby award Wetman the epic barnstar Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 01:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-11T01:47:00.000Z","author":"Erik the Red 2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Erik_the_Red_2-2008-07-11T01:47:00.000Z-Today,_4_September_2018,_marks_exactly_fifteen_years_of_my_editing_at_Wikipedia","replies":[]}}-->

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For your elegant editing of Swan House. Edwardx (talk) 13:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-19T13:03:00.000Z","author":"Edwardx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Edwardx-2013-12-19T13:03:00.000Z-Today,_4_September_2018,_marks_exactly_fifteen_years_of_my_editing_at_Wikipedia","replies":[]}}-->

The 100 DYK Medal for Wetman Thanks for your first hundred. Keep up the good work. With 50K plus edits then we need a few more for DYK, however we have over 100 articles so far. Thanks again Victuallers (talk) 21:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-02T21:43:00.000Z","author":"Victuallers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Victuallers-2008-07-02T21:43:00.000Z-Today,_4_September_2018,_marks_exactly_fifteen_years_of_my_editing_at_Wikipedia","replies":[]}}-->

This user has been on Wikipedia for 21 years, 3 months and 18 days.

This user is one of the 400 most active English Wikipedians of all time.

If you have time, you might take a look at the translations this user has been busy doing from German etc on a variety of subjects from classical and Early Medieval art & architecture, many more your area than mine - eg Campana reliefs & some Greek vases. There's a list on his user page. Few references, & all to works in the original languages. The categories are rarely complete, and linking is a tad erratic. Johnbod (talk) 12:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-13T12:30:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-01-13T12:30:00.000Z-User:Furius","replies":["c-Furius-2014-01-13T21:18:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-01-13T12:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

ouch. Furius (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-13T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Furius","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Furius-2014-01-13T21:18:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-01-13T12:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-01-13T22:15:00.000Z-Furius-2014-01-13T21:18:00.000Z","c-Johnbod-2014-01-14T01:37:00.000Z-Furius-2014-01-13T21:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

No hurt was intended, I'm sure. Don't worry about links and other wikification, Furius: I think Campana reliefs are well served by your recent editing. My further edits are for concision, emphasis and improved clarity for the unprepared readership of Wikipedia. I hope they all make sense to you. A photo caption somehow got transposed: I corrected it from the image title.--Wetman (talk) 22:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-13T22:15:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-01-13T22:15:00.000Z-Furius-2014-01-13T21:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry, I didn't think you see it, which is no excuse of course. Campana reliefs was only a redirect to the section at Ancient Roman pottery before. Thanks both! Johnbod (talk) 01:37, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-14T01:37:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-01-14T01:37:00.000Z-Furius-2014-01-13T21:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Intended.--Wetman (talk) 15:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-18T15:20:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-01-18T15:20:00.000Z-DPL_bot-2014-01-16T13:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Wetman,

i'm sorry, but Novelas ejemplares is a set of novellas, not short stories.

Best regards,
--Hgfernan (talk) 19:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-22T19:10:00.000Z","author":"Hgfernan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hgfernan-2014-01-22T19:10:00.000Z-Novelas_ejemplares_is_a_set_of_novellas,_not_short_stories","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-01-23T03:24:00.000Z-Hgfernan-2014-01-22T19:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh quite right: "short story" has a specific. circumscribed meaning. "Short prose tales" might be better. --Wetman (talk) 03:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-23T03:24:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-01-23T03:24:00.000Z-Hgfernan-2014-01-22T19:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Re your edit. I'm sorry, but I don't see the connection. I suspect that you're trying to infer the etymology of the term, but would you have any sources to support the assertion? -- Ohc ^¡digame! 05:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-28T05:12:00.000Z","author":"Ohconfucius","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ohconfucius-2014-01-28T05:12:00.000Z-Dark_store","replies":["c-Johnbod-2014-01-28T12:21:00.000Z-Ohconfucius-2014-01-28T05:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Ohc"}}-->

It isn't "etymology" when the meaning in Italian is plain. I don't think any suggestion is being made that the English term derives from this, but Wetman can confirm. Johnbod (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-28T12:21:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-01-28T12:21:00.000Z-Ohconfucius-2014-01-28T05:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-01-28T16:57:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-01-28T12:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Since the store is actually lit, then it is certainly not literally "dark". If "dark" is not not literal, then the expression is referring some other "dark" store. Does User:Ohconfucius have another analogy? Dark matter? Dark theatres? Botteghe Oscure are not as obscure as, perhaps, he imagines. Certainly the journalist who coined the term is unlikely to have been unfamiliar with the via delle Botteghe Oscure; but it would not improve Wikipedia to suppress the footnote.--Wetman (talk) 16:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-28T16:57:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-01-28T16:57:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-01-28T12:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

history with precision
Thank you, editor for more than a decade, for quality articles to Wikipedia as a reader's guide, such as Humanist minuscule and Jean-Pierre Latz, for quality clarifications, such as for Residenz Ansbach and Mathilde, Abbess of Essen, extinctions and glaciations, New York City, you name it, for "The history of daily life interests me more than battles", and for dealing with water, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-08T14:20:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-02-08T14:20:00.000Z-Precious","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-02-08T15:38:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2014-02-08T14:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda, I shall retain your glowing compliment as a sticky at the head of this page forever. You even noticed two of my favorites, Jean-Pierre Latz and Humanist minuscule, of which my own father observed "It was too abstruse to retain my attention." sigh But isn't that Diana Villiers' blue diamond, that she was buried with?--Wetman (talk) 15:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-08T15:38:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-02-08T15:38:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2014-02-08T14:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-02-08T15:46:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-02-08T15:38:00.000Z","c-Hafspajen-2014-02-25T17:49:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-02-08T15:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

That is a Yogo sapphire, see more on my talk, where I recently recieved another award to stay, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-08T15:46:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-02-08T15:46:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-02-08T15:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Gosh, sorry about that. (last revert) New it is going to happen. No, not me. Try to fing some nice ref on it, and it might work... Maybe can added as "of natural causes just before the ..break out. Personally, I like that part. Hafspajen (talk) 17:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-25T17:49:00.000Z","author":"Hafspajen","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hafspajen-2014-02-25T17:49:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-02-08T15:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

A year ago, you were the 761st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:01, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-09T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2015-02-09T00:01:00.000Z-Precious","replies":[]}}-->

Two years ago, you were recipient no. 761 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-02-08T08:44:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-02-08T08:44:00.000Z-Precious","replies":[]}}-->

I just discovered that you created the damned good music, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-28T17:58:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-06-28T17:58:00.000Z-Precious","replies":[]}}-->

...The Rossini mass! I'd forgotten that! Now unrecognzably imroved and expanded, thanks to you, Gerda.Wetman (talk) 19:06, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-28T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-06-28T19:06:00.000Z-Precious","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-06-28T19:15:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-06-28T19:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Most of the analysis is by a user with all red links, user and talk. - I just welcomed them, a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-28T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2016-06-28T19:15:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-06-28T19:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Three years now! Will sing the Rossini again soon! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-08T08:38:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2017-02-08T08:38:00.000Z-Precious","replies":[]}}-->

Four years, and singing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-08T08:52:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2018-02-08T08:52:00.000Z-Precious","replies":["c-Wetman-2018-02-08T13:47:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2018-02-08T08:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Is it the chamber version you are singing? I'd love to be hearing it!Wetman (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-08T13:47:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2018-02-08T13:47:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2018-02-08T08:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2018-02-08T14:48:00.000Z-Wetman-2018-02-08T13:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

It was the chamber version, in 2016 and again 2017, singing at the Berger Kirche (review linked, we three altos pictured behind the accordionist who replaced the harmonium, very expressively), St. Martin, Idstein and Herz Jesu Oberrad. Now we have other projects. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-02-08T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2018-02-08T14:48:00.000Z-Wetman-2018-02-08T13:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Five years precious! There's a peer review for Rossini (not by me as you can se at a glance), DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-08T07:49:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2019-02-08T07:49:00.000Z-Precious","replies":["c-Wetman-2019-02-08T15:40:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-02-08T07:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

I like the substitution of an accordion for the harmonium. I once encountered in a sylvan part of Central Park (my front yard) a man seated on a bench improvising on the bandoneon. His ground figures were so varied and fluid I was not completely surprised to find that his day job was as a jazz bassist. I could never leave New York to go and live in America...Wetman (talk) 15:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-08T15:40:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2019-02-08T15:40:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2019-02-08T07:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2020-02-08T09:52:00.000Z-Wetman-2019-02-08T15:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, - six years now, and new musical projects (at the bottom) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-02-08T09:52:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2020-02-08T09:52:00.000Z-Wetman-2019-02-08T15:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

A touch from you is always welcome.

Wetman (talk) 13:57, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-02-08T13:57:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2020-02-08T13:57:00.000Z-Precious","replies":[]}}-->

Added Category:Wikipedians who edit Wikipedia to your User Page, for your approval. A little humor! If you don't like, you can of course remove.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-09T14:57:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2014-02-09T14:57:00.000Z-New_Category","replies":[]}}-->

Here's a nice tool I used to quickly improve the syntax of the ref at [1]: http://reftag.appspot.com/ You may find it useful. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-10T23:44:00.000Z","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Piotrus-2014-02-10T23:44:00.000Z-reftag_tool","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-02-11T00:20:00.000Z-Piotrus-2014-02-10T23:44:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->

Thank you, Piotrus. I'll bookmark that. --Wetman (talk) 00:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-11T00:20:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-02-11T00:20:00.000Z-Piotrus-2014-02-10T23:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Re [2], yes that's the one. Paul August ☎ 21:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-12T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Paul August","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paul_August-2014-02-12T21:09:00.000Z-The_Periplus","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-02-12T22:03:00.000Z-Paul_August-2014-02-12T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for checking it.--Wetman (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-12T22:03:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-02-12T22:03:00.000Z-Paul_August-2014-02-12T21:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I noticed your improvements to Grey triggerfish and other articles I have recently written, for which thank you. With regard to your edit summary about the nests of the triggerfish, I would also like to know the answer. The nests are mentioned in the sources but not what and how they are made, information I would have included in the article if I had known it. There's not much I can do about that! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-27T06:05:00.000Z","author":"Cwmhiraeth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cwmhiraeth-2014-02-27T06:05:00.000Z-Grey_triggerfish","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-02-27T17:13:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2014-02-27T06:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

At the Florida Museum of Natural History site I see "...nests on the bottom substrate... a hollow nest scooped out of the sand." The article reads "The males prepare up to a dozen nests just above the seabed," which was hard to visualize.- Let me change it to follow FLMNH. -Wetman (talk) 17:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-27T17:13:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-02-27T17:13:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2014-02-27T06:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, my use of "atopo" in the etymology of Atopodentatus was verifiably referenced. Your addition, no doubt more accurate, needs a reference too please. Request you to kindly oblige. :) AshLin (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-04T02:00:00.000Z","author":"AshLin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AshLin-2014-03-04T02:00:00.000Z-Atopodentatus","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-04T02:55:00.000Z-AshLin-2014-03-04T02:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

English-Greek Dictionary: άτοπος Always glad to oblige, though dictionary words are not ordinarily referenced with a citation eh. If Atopo were indeed Latin, you'd be able to provide a dictionary citation too, if I were so insistent as to demand it. Which I am not, of course. --Wetman (talk) 02:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-04T02:55:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-04T02:55:00.000Z-AshLin-2014-03-04T02:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-AshLin-2014-03-05T04:29:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-04T02:55:00.000Z","c-Wetman-2014-03-05T04:38:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-04T02:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for improving the etymology & providing the ref. The info I had added was from the Sci-news.com source. As far as etymology goes, its all Greek & Latin to me. ;) Thanks once again. AshLin (talk) 04:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-05T04:29:00.000Z","author":"AshLin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AshLin-2014-03-05T04:29:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-04T02:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You're most welcome. Perhaps I can help with scientific name etymologies in future. Try me. --Wetman (talk) 04:38, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-05T04:38:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-05T04:38:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-04T02:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Draugr, recently moved to Draug, should be moved back. The discussion may be found at Talk:Draug#New requested move discussion: return article to Draugr. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-05T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Yngvadottir","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yngvadottir-2014-03-05T20:02:00.000Z-Requested_move","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there, FYI the following message which is related to an edit that you made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Cabot#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_5_March_2014

Regards, 86.161.61.32 (talk) 20:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-06T20:34:00.000Z","author":"86.161.61.32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-86.161.61.32-2014-03-06T20:34:00.000Z-Edit_to_John_Cabot","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-06T22:53:00.000Z-86.161.61.32-2014-03-06T20:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not to my edit; I merely improved the photo caption.--Wetman (talk) 22:53, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-06T22:53:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-06T22:53:00.000Z-86.161.61.32-2014-03-06T20:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-07T01:12:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-06T22:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm referring to this edit, in which you (reasonably) tried to fix the article flow, but actually you were "fixing" a paragraph that was earlier randomly copied and pasted from another part of the article, either in error or vandalism, and should just have ben deleted per my request on the talk page. 00:16, 7 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.61.32 (talk)

I see, I see. I've deleted the garbled repeat.--Wetman (talk) 01:12, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-07T01:12:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-07T01:12:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-06T22:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-86.160.82.222-2014-03-07T20:48:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-07T01:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Great, thanks very much for doing that. 86.160.82.222 (talk) 20:48, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-07T20:48:00.000Z","author":"86.160.82.222","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-86.160.82.222-2014-03-07T20:48:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-07T01:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! What do you think of this one? It seems a mix of cabinet and cabinetmaking, which is not really, or only, the making of cabinets. "Cabinetry" sounds very odd to English ears - is it a common term in American? Johnbod (talk) 02:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-13T02:11:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-03-13T02:11:00.000Z-Cabinetry","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-13T15:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-13T02:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, in the sense of "an aspect of a kitchen's style is its cabinetry." Sounds a bit like "silversmithy", doesn't it? But "joinery" rolls off the tongue idiomatically enough, though I see it's been divided into practical and "historical". The American bias of Wikipedia seems less intrusive nowadays than it did a decade ago.

I looked at the edit history of Early Netherlandish painting, thinking to see your thumbprint, but did not. I saw a couple of the less-collegiate editors there though, and shied off.--Wetman (talk) 15:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-13T15:33:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-13T15:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-13T02:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2014-03-16T04:57:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-13T15:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, I did a bit, but let the sorely-missed User:Stomme take the lead back then. I kept meaning to join the push for FA, but didn't much in the end. Not sure what, if anything, to do about the cabinets. Johnbod (talk) 04:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-16T04:57:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-03-16T04:57:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-13T15:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-16T16:23:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-16T04:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Both Cabinet-making and Cabinet making now redirect, so no child is left behind.--Wetman (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-16T16:23:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-16T16:23:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-16T04:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Another query on American usage; is chicken really the name of a species? Johnbod (talk) 01:58, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-19T01:58:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-03-19T01:58:00.000Z-Chicken","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-19T02:41:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T01:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

...as in "there are more chickens in the world than any other species of bird"? Would you prefer "there are more chickens in the world than any wild species of bird"?--Wetman (talk) 02:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-19T02:41:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-19T02:41:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T01:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2014-03-19T02:49:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-19T02:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Does no one keep "hens"? Obviously that has "gender issues" (and species issues) & the language has never quite grappled with the matter successfully, but "hens" or "domestic fowl" is what I would expect to find as a chapter title in a British farming manual, at least until very recently, with chicken being immature birds or the meat. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-19T02:49:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-03-19T02:49:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-19T02:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-19T03:00:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T02:49:00.000Z","c-Wetman-2014-03-19T03:13:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T02:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Americans can't bring themselves to utter "cocks" and "asses", so we have "roosters" and "donkeys". An antique Southern story has a sheriff and deputies tracking an escapee (Black of course in the original) as far as a farmyard. The sheriff sends two men to search the barn, two to search the woodshed and two to search the henhouse, from which a voice says "Nobody in here but us chickens, Boss." --Wetman (talk) 03:00, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-19T03:00:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-19T03:00:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T02:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

...and sa Wikipedia search brings up "Ain't Nobody Here but Us Chickens"--Wetman (talk) 03:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-19T03:13:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-19T03:13:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T02:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2014-03-19T14:27:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-19T03:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

"'Deed, sah, dey ain't nobody hyah 'ceptin' us chickens" in the earliest printed version, per there. It's a rather odd twist on the usual English meat/animal distinction, and can't be blamed on the Normans at least. We Brits have donkeys as well as asses; somehow I think of asses as leaner, meaner types, more mule-like. I'm not sure if this has any basis in anything. The earliest OED cite is a dictionary of 1785, where it was defined as a male ass only. It had evidently become the usual term by the time the OED reached D, perhaps for the same reasons as in America. Johnbod (talk) 14:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-19T14:27:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-03-19T14:27:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-19T03:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-20T22:19:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T14:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Don't Brits slightly flatten the vowel in ass to distinguish it from arhotic *rse?--Wetman (talk) 22:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-20T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-20T22:19:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-19T14:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2014-03-20T23:37:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-20T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Certainly, so I don't think they are confusable in any dialect (rash claim). Even so, the thought may linger on.... Now most people who don't read the bible probably wouldn't understand ass, but as we mainly associate donkeys with pets and children's rides on the beach, I think most bible translations stick with ass there. Johnbod (talk) 23:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-20T23:37:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-03-20T23:37:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-03-20T22:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-20T23:52:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-20T23:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wikipedia's Palm Sunday is "donkey" all the way, but why poke a hornet nest?--Wetman (talk) 23:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-20T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-20T23:52:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-03-20T23:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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		Your name came up on a Wikipediocracy thread about solid content writers who don't get the credit they deserve and I just wanted to drop by and do a little of that. Thanks for your work on behalf of The Project! Carrite (talk) 02:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-30T02:35:00.000Z","author":"Carrite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carrite-2014-03-30T02:35:00.000Z-Thanks_for_your_efforts!","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-03-30T03:48:00.000Z-Carrite-2014-03-30T02:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

But I do feel appreciated, almost to the point of undercutting the zen of Wikipedia, which is precisely that you don't get the credit you deserve, very much as happens in Real Life. I must say that I enjoy a barnstar, though one has so little opportunity nowadays of wearing them! Thank you. --Wetman (talk) 03:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-30T03:48:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-03-30T03:48:00.000Z-Carrite-2014-03-30T02:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank you for your subtle and wise edits to John Perring. I love reading the Gentleman's Magazine. Any help on my quest to start articles for all the 19-century Lord Mayors would be much appreciated. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 10:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-08T10:22:00.000Z","author":"Gareth E Kegg","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_E_Kegg-2014-04-08T10:22:00.000Z-VIZ_Mr_Perring's_splendid_article...","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-04-08T15:13:00.000Z-Gareth_E_Kegg-2014-04-08T10:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, especially for "subtle". "Miss Perring" would signify the eldest, Elizabeth; the others would have been "Miss Jane Perring" and "Miss Laura Perring"... well, as you know from Pride and Prejudice. I've linked your man at the dab page John Perring. All the Lords Mayor are in DNB, for starting points. GoogleScholar brings up additional interesting stuff if you search each name. It's a worthwhile project: shouldn't take more than your every spare moment for the rest of the year eh... If you pass the articles by me, alerting me here at the TalkPage, I may be able to buff up some phrasing. Or avoid the memorable vision of the Lord Mayor, fully robed, taking the Spanish Ambassador gracefully by the hand and leading him to the dance floor.--Wetman (talk) 15:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-08T15:13:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-04-08T15:13:00.000Z-Gareth_E_Kegg-2014-04-08T10:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I'd be delighted to have a Wikipedia t-shirt.--Wetman (talk) 12:15, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-09T12:15:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-04-09T12:15:00.000Z-JMatthews_(WMF)-2014-04-09T06:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2014-04-09T12:53:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-09T12:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wetman: It looks like this ("XXL").--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-09T12:53:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2014-04-09T12:53:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-09T12:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-04-09T14:27:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2014-04-09T12:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

You were telepathically reading my hesitation about a t-shirt! But that's quite a sensible one: I could wear it. Mine would be plain "L" however. How do I ask for it?--Wetman (talk) 14:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-09T14:27:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-04-09T14:27:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2014-04-09T12:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2014-04-09T14:38:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-09T14:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Tell JMatthews as above. They have a variety of designs though, but most are relatively .... discreet. Johnbod (talk) 14:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-09T14:38:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-04-09T14:38:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-09T14:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-04-09T14:45:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-04-09T14:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah! done! thank you both.--Wetman (talk) 14:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-09T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-04-09T14:45:00.000Z-Johnbod-2014-04-09T14:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

time that I had an edit conflict in article creation ;) - Melchior Teschner, I also didn't like a red link in lead and infobox of his hymn, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-13T19:33:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-04-13T19:33:00.000Z-A_first","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-04-13T21:45:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2014-04-13T19:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

I searched his name and saw he was already mentioned elsewhere in English Wikipedia, so I just translated the essentials from de:wiki.--Wetman (talk) 21:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-13T21:45:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-04-13T21:45:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2014-04-13T19:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-04-13T22:05:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-13T21:45:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-04-13T22:10:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-13T21:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

I saw your red link and thought that rather than changing it to ill ({{ill|de|name}}) I could create the article ;) - I linked a few times, and we have Teschner now--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-13T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-04-13T22:05:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-13T21:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

ps: I just declined the offer of a t-shirt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-13T22:10:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2014-04-13T22:10:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-04-13T21:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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that you do not mean this http://www.truckertompodcast.com/?p=232, but there is probably more. I have fairly recently moved in with and am taking care of my 91 year old mother. Time as I used to know it has little meaning. My books, including my materials collected on the Madonna of the Trail are largely in boxes in the garage. Still, it's an article that needs something to happen. We'll see. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-28T02:04:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carptrash-2014-04-28T02:04:00.000Z-My_guess_is","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi. I can live with the current version of the 1st paragraph of the history section. Just a few minor points: 1) Would you mind removing the citation needed tag from the lead? That same information is clearly stated (and cited) down in the history section, so does not need to be cited in the lead. 2) Would you be able to standardize the references you've added so that they're in line with the citation style used in the rest of the article. 3) Isn't there a better source than another Wikipedia article for ref 12? Thanks, --Jakob (talk) (my editor review) 19:50, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-27T19:50:00.000Z","author":"Jakec","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jakec-2014-05-27T19:50:00.000Z-Buffalo_Creek","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-05-28T15:17:00.000Z-Jakec-2014-05-27T19:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Jakob"}}-->

Sure. Citation out, but how is Buffalo Mountain asserted to bd "named for Buffalo Creek" and not simply for 'buffalo' or the creek named for the conspicuous mountain? I added the IUCN List of Threatened Species for states where bison are 'regionally extinct'. However, I don't see how to fit the second-hand citation "Allen 1942, noted in Endangered Species Handbook: The Eastern Forests" into your favored formula and I failed to successfully include essential information about the Catesby plate and the publication (1875) of Allen and its republicationb (1877); perhaps the formula isn't flexible enough. This has taken the better part of an hour. --Wetman (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-28T15:17:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-05-28T15:17:00.000Z-Jakec-2014-05-27T19:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I have improved the English; not a sound reason to delete the article rather than edit it. The given references are worth glancing at.--Wetman (talk)

Thanks for the early usage of the word "Buff", but is that referring to the color or the coat? Maybe the coat usage predates the color usage. If so, maybe that fact should be on the other article. Chrisrus (talk) 20:26, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-14T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Chrisrus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chrisrus-2014-06-14T20:26:00.000Z-Early_usage_of_the_word_\"Buff\"","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-06-14T22:55:00.000Z-Chrisrus-2014-06-14T20:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

It seems so unlikely that someone, even in the 17th century, might be convinced that it was the color of the coat that likened it to armor in protecting Sir Edmund Verney in battle, that I confess it hadn't actually crossed my mind.--Wetman (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-14T22:55:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-06-14T22:55:00.000Z-Chrisrus-2014-06-14T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Chrisrus-2014-06-15T00:14:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-06-14T22:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, as the article states, both the word for the color and the word for jacket came from the word for the leather, which came from the word for the animal. Chrisrus (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-15T00:14:00.000Z","author":"Chrisrus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chrisrus-2014-06-15T00:14:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-06-14T22:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Can we please restore the Buffalo Creek article to this revision? I don't see how the content you added is particularly relevant to the subject at hand. It's also synthesizing/original research (you're implying that the McCool ref is wrong when nothing specifically debunks it. Unreliable sources like Wikipedia articles and images without context are still being used. --Jakob (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-18T19:28:00.000Z","author":"Jakec","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jakec-2014-06-18T19:28:00.000Z-Follow-up_from_#Buffalo_Creek","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-07-22T19:01:00.000Z-Jakec-2014-06-18T19:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Jakob"}}-->

The text that Jakob doesn't like:

The etymology of Buffalo Creek's name recalls the extinct subspecies of the [[American Bison]], ''Bison bison pennsylvanicus'' hunted to extinction by 1800.<ref>Compare [[List of mammals of West Virginia#Recent eradications and near-eradications]]; a comprehensive list of states whgere ''Bison bison'' is "regionally extinct is given in the [http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/2815/0 Red List of Threatened Species].</ref> The last herd of Eastern bison was slaughtered in Union County, Pennsylvania, in the winter of 1799-1800: the last individuals of this race were killed near Charleston, West Virginia in 1825.<ref>Allen 1942, noted in [http://www.endangeredspecieshandbook.org/dinos_eastern.php Endangered Species Handbook: The Eastern Forests].</ref> In the 1700s, it was one of eight streams named Buffalo Creek in Pennsylvania.<ref name = "hist"/> Though the Eastern Wood Buffalo was illustrated by [[Mark Catesby]] in the ''Appendix'' to his ''Natural History of Carolina, Florida and the Bahama Islands'' (1747), <ref>Catesby, "Buffalo with Bristly Locust Tree", ''Appendix'', pl 28; [http://people.virginia.edu/~mgf2j/bison.jpg ''illustration''] </ref> as early as 1875 Joseph Asaph Allen asserted in ''History of the American Bison (Bison americanus)'' "<ref>Allen, ''The American Bisons, Living and Extinct'', Ninth Annual Report of the U.S. geological Survey, 1875, reprinted as ''History of the American Bison (Bison americanus)''. Geological Survey, Washington 1877.</ref> that "buffalo" were never found east of the [[Allegheny Mountains]]. A more recent source asserts that except for legends, there is virtually no evidence that any buffalo ever lived in the Buffalo Creek area. However, some residents of the nearby village of [[Cowan, Pennsylvania|Cowan]] claim that depressions on the northern bank of Buffalo Creek are [[buffalo wallow]]s.<ref name= "hist">{{Citation|author = Charles McCool Snyder, John W. Downie, Lois Kalp|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=-yGYCsElEsMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=union+county,+pa|title = Union County, Pennsylvania: A Celebration of History|year= 2000}}</ref> --Wetman (talk) 19:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-22T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-07-22T19:01:00.000Z-Jakec-2014-06-18T19:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Where did you find that the architect Henri Blondel was Charles Garnier's nephew ? You introduced this information in the article which is now The Westin Paris – Vendôme in October 2007, and it has now propagated into the French-speaking version of the article. But Blondel was older than Garnier, Blondel's mother was called Petitjean, whereas Garnier's wife was a Ms Bary. No obvious relationship. Other sources even tell that Henri Blondel was Garnier's son-in-law, which does not seem more realistic, since Garnier (officially ...) only has sons. Without a reference, I think we shall have to stamp the information as dubious, at least. Glidepil (talk) 12:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-11T12:25:00.000Z","author":"Glidepil","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Glidepil-2014-07-11T12:25:00.000Z-Henri_Blondel:_Charles_Garnier's_nephew,_actually_?","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-07-21T14:35:00.000Z-Glidepil-2014-07-11T12:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't know now whether it was I who mistranslated gendre. Anyway, "Henri Blondel (1832-97), son-in-law of Charles Garnier" states Elaine Denby in Grand Hotels: Reality and Illusion (1998:85). I found this by googling Charles+Blondel Henri+Garnier. After double-checking, you might want to insert the reference into the article. -Wetman (talk) 14:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-21T14:35:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-07-21T14:35:00.000Z-Glidepil-2014-07-11T12:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-07-23T11:23:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-07-21T14:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well then, I've inserted the reference myself, correcting the text to suit it.--Wetman (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-23T11:23:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-07-23T11:23:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-07-21T14:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey Wetman, I hope you can help me with a question. Check this out--nothing but links to a PDF by Juan-Jose Marcos, whose expertise I can't verify though it seems he knows what he's talking about. They're added just as links, they aren't used to verify anything specific in those articles, as far as I could see. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2014-08-11T21:12:00.000Z-Paleography_question","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-08-11T22:40:00.000Z-Drmies-2014-08-11T21:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

In general, links to personally generated pdf documents are deprecated at Wikipedia, particularly when they are linked en masse from numerous related articles and inserted by anonymous editors. But the text does look legit to me. What does Johnbod think of this case?--Wetman (talk) 22:40, 11 August 2014 (UTC)--Wetman (talk) 22:40, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-11T22:40:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-08-11T22:40:00.000Z-Drmies-2014-08-11T21:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2014-08-11T22:59:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-08-11T22:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks--my feeling exactly, yes. Perhaps Leszek Jańczuk has an opinion as well. But I don't really want to go around deleting something that has some quality to it and would be acceptable as an external link and possibly a reference, despite the intentions of the (Spanish) IP. Drmies (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-11T22:59:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2014-08-11T22:59:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-08-11T22:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2014-08-12T00:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2014-08-11T22:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Seems a decent introduction to the subject to me, but I have no training. Doubtless COI, and the very end of the PDF does offer electronic fonts for sale (rather cheaply I think). Most of the articles have no other links, & I'm inclined to think this useful. The PDF (I think) is mentioned here. He's been very busy on this respectable site. I don't think Leszek Jańczuk tangles with Latin. I'd say leave 'em. Johnbod (talk) 00:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-12T00:05:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Johnbod-2014-08-12T00:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2014-08-11T22:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

As one of the leading editors at Legend in terms of edit count, you may want to comment at Talk:Legend (disambiguation)#Merger proposal.- TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-17T07:47:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2014-08-17T07:47:00.000Z-Merger_proposal","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-08-17T13:35:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2014-08-17T07:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for considering me. I support the merger too.--Wetman (talk) 13:35, 17 August 2014 (UTC)-[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-17T13:35:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-08-17T13:35:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2014-08-17T07:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• You noted on the Fossil Lake talk page that the ground sloth fossils found at the site were probably Paramylodon harlani. I found this source after I posted the article (see p. 12). It identifies all 23 mammal species found at Fossil Lake by their scientific names. The ground sloth is identified as "Mylodon near harlani Owen" which I think is Paramylodon as you say…or at least some closely related species/subspecies. The article says Cope originally identified the ground sloth as new species, Mylodon sodalist. However, Stock later showed it was actually Mylodon harlani. Subsequent study of the very limited specimens indicate that the Fossil Lake animals were larger than the Mylodon harlani specimens found at La Brea; and therefore, are considered "near harlani" until further specimen become available for study. Based on your comments I’ve changed link to Paramylodon. Good catch!--Orygun (talk) 20:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-17T20:09:00.000Z","author":"Orygun","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Orygun-2014-08-17T20:09:00.000Z-Fossil_Lake_(Oregon)","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-08-18T02:56:00.000Z-Orygun-2014-08-17T20:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks! I was intrigued to see ground sloth fossils so far north! Mylodon cf. harlani, signifying a species very comparable to M. harlani, would not be equivalent to the related genus Paramylodon, though that name does suggest "like Mylodon." --Wetman (talk) 02:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-18T02:56:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-08-18T02:56:00.000Z-Orygun-2014-08-17T20:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I saw you improved this article – thanks. A trivial point: I don't think there is a need to replace – by &ndash; (see Wikipedia:How to make dashes). The browsers can handle both. I don't really care, but mention it because I had typed a page range as pp. 390-391 (incorrect) which got corrected to pp. 390&ndash;391, then changed to pp. 390–391, then changed back to pp. 390&ndash;391. The dashed article is turning into a battlefield. :–) Aymatth2 (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-02T17:03:00.000Z","author":"Aymatth2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aymatth2-2014-09-02T17:03:00.000Z-ndashes_and_Jacques_Guay","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-09-02T21:38:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2014-09-02T17:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

There were two edit conflicts when I tried to post my changes, and I had to resolve them. I didn't actually mean to make any switch of dashes though. I'm glad my edits were an improvement on the whole, nevertheless.--Wetman (talk) 21:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-02T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-09-02T21:38:00.000Z-Aymatth2-2014-09-02T17:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aymatth2-2014-09-02T23:22:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-09-02T21:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

I did not mean to sound negative in any way—and really am fine with either style—but it was amusing that the scripts seemed to be engaged in an edit war over markup of a page range in a footnote of a very obscure article. Aymatth2 (talk) 23:22, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-02T23:22:00.000Z","author":"Aymatth2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aymatth2-2014-09-02T23:22:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-09-02T21:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Since you took the time to consider the issues at Talk:Legend (disambiguation)#Merger proposal, I am hoping you might help us consider a related issue at Talk:Legends (TV series)#Call for a vote on hatnote for this page.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-10T04:58:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2014-09-10T04:58:00.000Z-One_last_issue_related_to_Legend_disambiguation","replies":[]}}-->

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The website in question merely reproduces text from Joseph Anderson, ed. The Town and City of Waterbury Connecticut : from the aboriginal period to the year eighteen hundred and ninety-five (New Haven: Price & Lee, 1896), which is credited in the Wikipedia article.--Wetman (talk) 16:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-11T16:05:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-01-11T16:05:00.000Z-CorenSearchBot-2014-10-17T20:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi - I undid your revision because that information is already included in the detail when you click on the image. It's confusing in the caption because too few know what it references. Just wanted to say thank you for your attention to detail, and hope you agree. Atsme☯^Consult 20:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-19T20:33:00.000Z","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Atsme-2014-10-19T20:33:00.000Z-Bowfin","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-10-19T22:26:00.000Z-Atsme-2014-10-19T20:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

A caption that doesn't tell viewers what they are actually seeing is never a good caption. Giving credit (Edward Phelps Allis might deserve a brief Wikipedia entry, no?) is always an improvement. In order to avoid further deletions of my edits I shall avoid the article Bowfin.--Wetman (talk) 22:26, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-19T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-10-19T22:26:00.000Z-Atsme-2014-10-19T20:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atsme-2014-10-19T22:51:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-10-19T22:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Wetman - Improvements to the article are most welcome. I was just explaining that credit is already given to Allis on the bottom of the drawing itself: (After Allis 1897, slightly altered). Including it again in the caption is redundant. Atsme☯^Consult 22:51, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-19T22:51:00.000Z","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Atsme-2014-10-19T22:51:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-10-19T22:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Wetman,

I just discovered your article about my great grandfather, Augustus Sabin Chase (ASC). It is excellent.

I'm a dilettante who runs a Web site devoted to the descendants of ASC and last year contributed to his first Wikipedia article.

I too studied at Harvard, but mainly at Yale.

I'm intrigued by your choosing to write the ASC article. Are you or do you know a relative of his? You seem more intellectual than most family members I know, but then again I don't know that many.

Your reference to Louisville might indicate that you are of the Alice Martha Streeter branch of the family. Your profile resembles that of a quasi-cousin, the author Peter Haring Judd.

If you wish, I would be more than pleased to give you the access codes to the ASC site.

LisabyLisaby 05:08, 24 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisaby (talk • contribs)

I apologise. It's one of the problems of my enthusiasm.Lisaby 03:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisaby (talk • contribs)

A minor one. Btw, you can sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~).--Wetman (talk) 10:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-25T10:36:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-10-25T10:36:00.000Z-I_think_I_made_a_faux_pas","replies":[]}}-->

At a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Confidence, you've been listed as the exact kind of editor everyone wants as an administrator, and the fact that you're not as the problem with Requests for adminship. Figured I'd give you a courtesy notice that you've been mentioned. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 18:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-29T18:16:00.000Z","author":"Oiyarbepsy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oiyarbepsy-2014-10-29T18:16:00.000Z-Admin_candidate","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-10-29T19:06:00.000Z-Oiyarbepsy-2014-10-29T18:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, and a robust and flattering reference it is. Wikipedia's http interface is so simple even I can manage it. My tech abilities are minimal, even allowing for my generation. Conflicts and abrasion are stressful to me: I generally back off. see for instance Talk:Ponte Vecchio#Disinfobox at Ponte Vecchio, and misinformation in general. Editors come to my Talkpage sometimes for suggestions about fact, tone, procedure, and I try to be useful in an ad hoc manner. --Wetman (talk) 19:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-29T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-10-29T19:06:00.000Z-Oiyarbepsy-2014-10-29T18:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your recent edit to Philae_(spacecraft) revision 633724136 regarding its naming. You may also want to edit the related Rosetta_(spacecraft) since it has a similar misrepresentation of Philae's namesake. "The lander is named after the Nile island Philae, where an obelisk was discovered with Greek and Egyptian inscriptions" sudopeople 22:16, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-13T22:16:00.000Z","author":"Sudopeople","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sudopeople-2014-11-13T22:16:00.000Z-Philae's_name","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-11-16T17:00:00.000Z-Sudopeople-2014-11-13T22:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"sudo"}}-->

Thanks for the tip. I've followed your advice.----Wetman (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-16T17:00:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-11-16T17:00:00.000Z-Sudopeople-2014-11-13T22:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Wetman, This is just a courtesy call to let you know in case you haven't noticed, that I have been working on the article you built: Wimbledon House (please see talk page re name change). I just wanted to say that I was thoroughly impressed with the accuracy of your contribution. I did an extensive research project on the manor house as part of my history exams when I was a kid (we could choose any subject in history and I chose this). I hope you like the changes. So thanks, I doubt I would have attempted it myself from scratch.Regards --Roganjosh3 (talk) 23:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-25T23:12:00.000Z","author":"Roganjosh3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Roganjosh3-2014-11-25T23:12:00.000Z-Wimbledon_Manor_House","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-11-26T17:57:00.000Z-Roganjosh3-2014-11-25T23:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Splendid expansion.--Wetman (talk) 17:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-26T17:57:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-11-26T17:57:00.000Z-Roganjosh3-2014-11-25T23:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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	Great job on 2014 Russian financial crisis. Bearian (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-18T20:23:00.000Z","author":"Bearian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bearian-2014-12-18T20:23:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Wetman! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 13:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T13:04:00.000Z","author":"DerHexer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DerHexer-2014-12-30T13:04:00.000Z-Global_account","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-12-30T16:53:00.000Z-DerHexer-2014-12-30T13:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I can't access the account " Wetman " at Commons.--Wetman (talk) 16:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T16:53:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-12-30T16:53:00.000Z-DerHexer-2014-12-30T13:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-DerHexer-2014-12-30T17:13:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-12-30T16:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

No problem. As this account had no visible edits I've usurped it. Hence, your global account is now completed. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 17:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T17:13:00.000Z","author":"DerHexer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-DerHexer-2014-12-30T17:13:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-12-30T16:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2014-12-30T17:58:00.000Z-DerHexer-2014-12-30T17:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm most grateful for that. Tech is my weak side. It's a sign of how user-friendly Wikipedia is, that I'm able to edit here at all!--Wetman (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T17:58:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2014-12-30T17:58:00.000Z-DerHexer-2014-12-30T17:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-DerHexer-2014-12-30T18:45:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-12-30T17:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

You're welcome! Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 18:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T18:45:00.000Z","author":"DerHexer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-DerHexer-2014-12-30T18:45:00.000Z-Wetman-2014-12-30T17:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Wetman! I'm posting this here as you're the only person I've seen who wrote anything on the talk page for Bee Hive, Auburn. From looking at the USGS Geographic Naming Information System coordinates, the community lies outside of the city limits of Auburn, Alabama. I would like to move the article to the name Bee Hive, Alabama, so that it will be categorized as an unincorporated community. I'm not able to move it right now, as there is already a redirect page for Bee Hive, Alabama. It was already moved to Bee Hive, Auburn from Bee Hive, Alabama.Dofftoubab (talk) 05:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-03T05:46:00.000Z","author":"Dofftoubab","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dofftoubab-2015-01-03T05:46:00.000Z-Bee_Hive,_Auburn","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-01-03T19:05:00.000Z-Dofftoubab-2015-01-03T05:46:00.000Z","c-Risker-2015-01-04T19:43:00.000Z-Dofftoubab-2015-01-03T05:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Can one of the lurkers here, more competent than I, effect this?--Wetman (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-03T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-01-03T19:05:00.000Z-Dofftoubab-2015-01-03T05:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Old redirect deleted, article moved. Should be in order. Risker (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-04T19:43:00.000Z","author":"Risker","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Risker-2015-01-04T19:43:00.000Z-Dofftoubab-2015-01-03T05:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-01-04T20:24:00.000Z-Risker-2015-01-04T19:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well done, Risker. Please keep lurking!--Wetman (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-04T20:24:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-01-04T20:24:00.000Z-Risker-2015-01-04T19:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I didn't know that John Dee had his own article. Thanks for pointing that out. Keep Cronica Walliae on your Watch list. Good to hear from you again, its been quit awhile. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:39, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-24T10:39:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-01-24T10:39:00.000Z-John_Dee","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-01-24T15:31:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-01-24T10:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, it has been! Didn't see that you were the editor at Cronica Walliae. Well done.--Wetman (talk) 15:31, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-24T15:31:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-01-24T15:31:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-01-24T10:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-01-24T14:25:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-01-24T15:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:25, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-24T14:25:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-01-24T14:25:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-01-24T15:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Capitalizing common names of animals question - so you would capitalize Sierra Nevada Red Fox but not a bunch of foxes jumped the fence, right? Thanks for educating me.Schmiebel (talk) 17:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-30T17:30:00.000Z","author":"Schmiebel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Schmiebel-2015-01-30T17:30:00.000Z-Sierra_Nevada_Red_Fox","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-01-30T21:33:00.000Z-Schmiebel-2015-01-30T17:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'd follow the crowd, not to enforce my own "down style" but keep a particular article consistent. A "down style" means I'd not capitalize whenever given the chance: Sierra Nevada red fox. Wikipedia does Snow bunting and refers to snow buntings in the text. I'd cry "There's a robin in the yard" ...or I might say "Look! There's an American Robin in the yard." But the Wikipedia article is American robin.--Wetman (talk) 21:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-30T21:33:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-01-30T21:33:00.000Z-Schmiebel-2015-01-30T17:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Wetman, it's been a while. Good afternoon and a belated Happy New Year. I am in the process of freshening up Palladian architecture which has become a little tired and gained quite a few dubious edits since I last took a great interest in it. One of the things, I've stumbled upon is this: "The Hammond-Harwood House was modeled after the Villa Pisani at Montagnana." Do you know if this is really correct, or am I alone in not being able to see this apparent modelling? The plans are completely different, Pisani was supposed to originally have had a curved arch in the centre of a blind colonnade, the American house house something very vaguely similar but beyond that, I just don't see it. Giano (talk) 17:35, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-11T17:35:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Giano-2015-02-11T17:35:00.000Z-Palladian_architecture","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-11T19:12:00.000Z-Giano-2015-02-11T17:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Giano! Happy New Year! Why not simply attribute the attribution: "American writers on architecture are agreed that..." For me, it's just as much like Roger Morris's Marble Hill less that villa's high basement, and a dozen Thames Valley villas c. 1740-1780: Matthew Brettingham's Gunton Hall, etc etc. But the attribution is a treasured favorite among us. How about that doorway though? right out of a London builder's handbook: see "Palladio and architectural pattern books in colonial America". William Salmon's suggestively titled and often reprinted Palladio Londinensis. Wikipedia's article William Halfpenny only mentions his outré 'Chinese' and Gothick stuff. --Wetman (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-11T19:12:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-11T19:12:00.000Z-Giano-2015-02-11T17:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-24T17:27:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-11T19:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've extended the bibliography of Ha'penny's design books, Giano.--Wetman (talk) 17:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-24T17:27:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-24T17:27:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-11T19:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Giano-2015-02-24T18:50:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-24T17:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Coo! I had never even heard of him before; now that is embarrassing. You've taught me something - not for the first time. Giano (talk) 18:50, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-24T18:50:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Giano-2015-02-24T18:50:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-24T17:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

If you have time, can you look over my newly created article for copyediting. Thanks! --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-19T15:19:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-19T15:19:00.000Z-Treaty_of_Louviers","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-19T21:24:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-19T15:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Doug you need to add the names of the signatories and the date to your introduction.--Wetman (talk) 21:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-19T21:24:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-19T21:24:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-19T15:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-19T22:42:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-19T21:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks again. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-19T22:42:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-19T22:42:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-19T21:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-24T16:35:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-19T22:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's much better. Could a remark and link be added concerning the immediate context, of dynastic/territorial frictions between Richard and Philip? That would tie that article more securely into the mainstream. Do references to Andelys/Andelis in other articles now link to the new article? The article Les Andelys for instance doesn't give much information.--Wetman (talk) 16:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-24T16:35:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-24T16:35:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-19T22:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-24T17:55:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-24T16:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Going to take a nap now. Will start to work on this after I get up. Thanks for ideas.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:55, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-24T17:55:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-24T17:55:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-24T16:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

If you were to guess, what type of material did they use in their mortar as it seems it lasted over 800 years. Another guess (if you care to), what type of raw material might the carters have carried to the castle? I assume they used beast of burden and the material came down the Seine. Mostly just curious, so any guesses are O.K. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-25T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T12:29:00.000Z-Ch\u00e2teau_Gaillard","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-25T16:46:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T12:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't think they had any alternative to lime mortar, the secret of Roman cement having been lost, and the discovery of Portland cement lying far in the early-industrial future. Limestone was ubiquitous in northern France and silica sand, and the forests required to burn it to quicklime in lime kilns stood thick around. I don't understand your query about types of raw material the carters carried to the castle. The stone would have been local: no need to go as far as Caen stone for limestone. That's a spectacular photo, btw, excellent as an illustration too, --Wetman (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-25T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-25T16:46:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T12:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-27T15:43:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T16:46:00.000Z","c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T18:47:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T16:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

And you got me thinking about the forests required to burn it to quicklime in lime kilns. Great thought and lead for additional research. BTW, I am getting the castle books you suggested from I.L.L. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:43, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-27T15:43:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-27T15:43:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T16:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I believe you answered my question. It then sounds like the rock and stone would have been near to the castle itself. Perhaps on the roadside approaching the castle? I was curious about wood or whatever else they used in construction. The castle construction techniques are new to me and I just happened to have stumbled onto the Treaty of Louviers, more or less by accident.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:47, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-25T18:47:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T18:47:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T16:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Maybe not literally on the roadside, but quarried where the blocks could be hauled up to the building site in oxcarts (perhaps having been rafted a short distance down the Seine) and swung up to place with a wooden crane built on the spot. A book you'll enjoy is David Macaulay, Castle: the story of its construction (secondhand copies are very cheap at Amazon.com).--Wetman (talk) 19:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z-Ch\u00e2teau_Gaillard","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T20:05:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T20:09:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T21:00:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T14:10:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks again - you always come up with the best answers and easiest to understand.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-25T20:05:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T20:05:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

P.S. One more question: You say, could be hauled up to the building site in oxcarts. Could it have been carts pulled by horses?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-25T20:09:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T20:09:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Another question, if you care to answer: Since it appears that a new town of Petit Andelys (in picture) appeared at the same time as the castle, could the stone quarry have been near here? A guess is O.K.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:00, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-25T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T21:00:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-26T00:47:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T21:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

In the 12th century a horse was a luxury creature; the early Knights Templar weren't the only ones too poor to buy a horse for each knight. A famous roman courtois tells of three young knights too poor to have a horse for each; I remember a ms illumination showing all three on one nag: Les Frères Aymar or something. Heavy work was provided by oxen, like the ploughing in the early 15th century illumination (left). The castle was stone, but the new town was surely timber construction, except perhaps the church.--Wetman (talk) 00:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T00:47:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-26T00:47:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-25T21:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T11:01:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-26T00:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Again!! You have come up with the best answer. Now I get a good understanding of this. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T11:01:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T11:01:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-26T00:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• I am just going to throw this out: When building King Richard's Château Gaillard and the new town is there a possibility there was a combination of donkey drawn carts, horse drawn carts, and ox-drawn carts? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:10, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T14:10:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T14:10:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-25T19:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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If anyone here knows the answer to this it will be you: Is there an English word for the smaller (square cupola/viewing chamber/belverdere) type structure at the top of a tower, like the one here [3]? I'm sue there must be. Giano (talk) 13:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T13:48:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Giano-2015-02-26T13:48:00.000Z-Viewing_chamber?","replies":["c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T14:15:00.000Z-Giano-2015-02-26T13:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, but saw your question by accident = don't mean to interfere, but Parapet comes to mind for me.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:15, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T14:15:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T14:15:00.000Z-Giano-2015-02-26T13:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-26T14:48:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T14:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

The parapet would be round the outside, though. Viewers on the outside might be described as on "the leads" if it were a flat leaded roof. The roofed chamber might be a belfry if there are bells in the tower. Otherwise, I've never come across a specific word better than your "viewing chamber", Giano. I've seen "belvedere" applied to a similar structure perched on a Victorian house, though more commonly it's free-standing. Can any lurkers help?--Wetman (talk) 14:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-26T14:48:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-26T14:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:02:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-26T14:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think in castles etc it was the Solar (room) - I'm not sure I like the description in our article. That would be a room on the roof or battlements specifically made for a good view, and somewhere to go for pudding or a drink etc. There used to be loads of these. Broughton Castle is one example, though latterly used for political conspiracy. At the top of a tower rooms tend to be called the "tower room". Johnbod (talk) 16:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T16:02:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:02:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-26T14:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:12:00.000Z-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:02:00.000Z","c-Giano-2015-02-26T17:36:00.000Z-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Actually I think they are right that this was originally the private quarters in earlier working castles - the lord's bedsit. But I think by the Renaissance it tended to be used for banqueting houses on the roof (that may be another useful term). Johnbod (talk) 16:12, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T16:12:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:12:00.000Z-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, I thought about banqueting house Longleat House has several, but as the particular tower that I have in mind is nothing but a poorly designed Victorian pretension and ostentation (in my personal opinion), that term seems only to serve as an ego booster to the tower. Does a cupola have to be cylindrical/hexagonal; and on top of a dome or pitched roof? Giano (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T17:36:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Giano-2015-02-26T17:36:00.000Z-Johnbod-2015-02-26T16:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-02-26T19:10:00.000Z-Giano-2015-02-26T17:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

To judge from the photo (get some Virginia Creeper on those walls!) you could call it a "cupola room".--Wetman (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-26T19:10:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-26T19:10:00.000Z-Giano-2015-02-26T17:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Giano-2015-02-27T17:20:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-26T19:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Virginia creeper certainly hides some sins: I wonder why some idiot pulled it all off. Giano (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-27T17:20:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Giano-2015-02-27T17:20:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-26T19:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

So, when do we see an article on the hypothetical methane-based azotosome of Saturn's moon Titan, the most interesting new development in astrobiology in today's news?--Wetman (talk) 17:58, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-28T17:58:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-02-28T17:58:00.000Z-Azotosome","replies":["c-Wetman-2016-11-22T01:28:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-28T17:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

The article was created the following July and has developed into an interesting one.Wetman (talk) 01:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-22T01:28:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-11-22T01:28:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-02-28T17:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Do you have any suggestions for Wiki-Projects for this article I created today?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-28T23:12:00.000Z","author":"Doug Coldwell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-28T23:12:00.000Z-21st_Century_mini-ice_age","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-03-01T01:17:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-28T23:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, I don't think in terms of the larger "portals" etc. Your new article doesn't mention the weakening of the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation in down-welling 'columns' that's been observed over the last ten years.--Wetman (talk) 01:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-01T01:17:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-03-01T01:17:00.000Z-Doug_Coldwell-2015-02-28T23:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-03-01T01:40:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-03-01T01:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

...now I see that the phenomenon has its own article: Shutdown of thermohaline circulation.-Wetman (talk) 01:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-01T01:40:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-03-01T01:40:00.000Z-Wetman-2015-03-01T01:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Wetman, Can you help find a way to help me save this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2015_April_4#File:Arms-wimbledon1.jpg. Thanks. Roganjosh3 (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-04T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Roganjosh3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Roganjosh3-2015-04-04T23:58:00.000Z-Wimbledon_Manor_House_2","replies":[]}}-->

Hello,

You seem to be interested in this topic. I want to discuss it with you.

Could you contact me on: http://buitengewoonmechelen.be/ contact

Thx, Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.199.158 (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-31T20:04:00.000Z","author":"81.82.199.158","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-81.82.199.158-2015-05-31T20:04:00.000Z-Riverside_church_based_on_tower_of_laon?","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-06-01T12:49:00.000Z-81.82.199.158-2015-05-31T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I can't locate the link to you at the address you give. My Flemish is based on my German and is shaky.Wetman (talk) 12:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-01T12:49:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-06-01T12:49:00.000Z-81.82.199.158-2015-05-31T20:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You may be interested by some comments on this article's Talk page. Jean Marcotte (talk) 03:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-28T03:49:00.000Z","author":"Jean Marcotte","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jean_Marcotte-2015-06-28T03:49:00.000Z-Pittura_infamante","replies":["c-Wetman-2015-06-28T20:22:00.000Z-Jean_Marcotte-2015-06-28T03:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

I wish I had more to offer on this interesting subject, but I can't even give an English adjective that signifies "bringing infamy upon". Any lurkers?-.Wetman (talk) 20:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-28T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2015-06-28T20:22:00.000Z-Jean_Marcotte-2015-06-28T03:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Can you or a lurker explain what's going on here - the title is said to be il mondo nuovo? New oven/stove, model of new house, perspective box? Just added to Frankenthal Porcelain Factory. Johnbod (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T18:10:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:10:00.000Z-What's_going_on_here?","replies":["c-Giano-2016-01-18T18:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:10:00.000Z","c-Wetman-2016-01-18T18:58:00.000Z-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

I suspect that if you were to visit this museum, you'd find your answer. Quite why 'il mondo nuovo' should lead you to 'organo a rullo', I'm not sure. However, the man is definitely turning something and singing, and as children (clearly listening) are present we will assume it's not because he's drunk. Giano (talk) 18:33, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Giano-2016-01-18T18:33:00.000Z-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:37:00.000Z-Giano-2016-01-18T18:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

(Good to see you around!) I did consider that, but on the super blown-up version it seems he is not turning a handle, but holding some kind of key that is not touching the big box thing. I agree he might be singing - I'm not so sure the others are listening. The female figure seems rather middle-aged to me - perhaps a servant of some sort, as her posture is not lady-like. There's a slightly different angle here. Was there an opera called 'il mondo nuovo' - surely yes. Johnbod (talk) 18:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T18:37:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:37:00.000Z-Giano-2016-01-18T18:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:47:00.000Z-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aha! Johnbod (talk) 18:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T18:47:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:47:00.000Z-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, I think you've got it! Look at the analagous image illustrating Peep show. The superstructure, a kind of lanterna giving indirect diffused light to the interior, makes it pretty clear, though the porcelain painter doesnt seem to have shown the peep holes through which the perspective[s] were viewed. Perhaps rather than singing, the itinerant shwman is hawking his raree show. The "new world" might refer to the fantastical image within the box. -Wetman (talk) 18:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T18:58:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-01-18T18:58:00.000Z-Johnbod-2016-01-18T18:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Giano-2016-01-18T19:07:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T18:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK; you were right, I was wrong! I think of children being introduced to classical music and the arts, you and Wetman see servants being corrupted by porn. I shall now retreat with my head held high. Giano (talk) 19:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T19:07:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Giano-2016-01-18T19:07:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T18:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z-Giano-2016-01-18T19:07:00.000Z","c-Wetman-2016-01-18T21:59:00.000Z-Giano-2016-01-18T19:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

The connection between "peep show" and pornography is a post Worls War I mattrr, Giano!. This is a wholesome new world. -Wetman (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z-Giano-2016-01-18T19:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T20:47:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z","c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T20:40:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z","c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T21:02:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

not entirely! Johnbod (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T20:47:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T20:47:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Per the source 'flies as big as horses' seem to be the star attraction - I don't know how wholesome that is. The woman has her eye to the peephole I think, the man is calling for more punters, and the boy waiting his turn impatiently. One day Mondo nuovo (peepshow). Johnbod (talk) 20:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T20:40:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T20:40:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

From the Commons Magic lanterns cat, it looks to me as if the lantern on top ventilates the candles inside. Thanks both! Johnbod (talk) 21:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T21:02:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Johnbod-2016-01-18T21:02:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T19:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

, i see she's not merely dashing round the corner but has her eye glued to the scena. Oh brave new world, that has such people in it! Are those three slots in the sde of the box, and is the entrepreneur inserting transparencies painted on glass slides. Now it's Venus! Oh now it's a young nun in the same situation!! O mondo nuovo! -Wetman (talk) 21:59, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-18T21:59:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-01-18T21:59:00.000Z-Giano-2016-01-18T19:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Lady_Catherine_de_Burgh-2016-01-29T18:58:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T21:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Never mind all of that rubbish above - it's probably German, and nothing good ever came out of that place. Now Mr Wetman can I entice you to expand a little my latest little offering to Wikipedia - preferably with a reliable reference - not that my own aren't perfectly adequate. It's intended to complement Giano's latest offering, which you also may care to expand. I do so admire you - there are so few of us truly educated editors here. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 18:58, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-29T18:58:00.000Z","author":"The Lady Catherine de Burgh","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-The_Lady_Catherine_de_Burgh-2016-01-29T18:58:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-01-18T21:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, I'm thinking of doing a bit of expanding on the above and see that you were the original author. Do you have a source for the patron being Lord Berwick, rather than Francis Walford. All the sources I have, Colvin, Pevsner/Newman, Mansbridge say it was for Walford. I appreciate one source can follow another but it would be good to have a definite source for Berwick. At the moment, it seems to say that it must have been Berwick as it couldn't be Walford and I'm not even sure the source given goes that far. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 18:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-10T18:20:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-07-10T18:20:00.000Z-Cronkhill","replies":["c-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T18:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Which of the two cited sources do you not like? If Colvin's date of ca 1802, is correct, based as it is, apparently, on identifying the design exhibited in 1802 of a house "near Shrewsbury" with Cronkhill, then Walford was not yet Lord Berwick's agent, according to the cited history of Shropshire. Do you have a reason to think Walford ever owned the site? Of course you are aware that Lord Berwick was Nash's patron at Attingham.Wetman (talk) 18:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T18:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2016-07-10T19:24:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z","c-Wetman-2016-07-10T20:25:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z","c-KJP1-2016-07-11T15:06:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Whether or not Walford was Berwick's agent at the time of the commissioning of the house doesn't seem to me to be determinative of whether Walford was the patron. The sources that say he was the patron are Pevsner/Newman, Colvin and Mansbridge. Which sources say that the patron was Berwick? KJP1 (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-10T19:24:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-07-10T19:24:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2016-07-10T19:50:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T19:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Apologies, I should have been a bit clearer as to the basis of my concern. My problem with the sources is that they don't, to me, say that the patron for the house was Lord Berwick. They appear to say that the date for the design of the house was 1802 and that Walford was appointed agent to Lord Berwick in 1804. To conclude from these points that Berwick was, in fact, the commissioner, seems to be original research. Every source I have, including the above and this [4] and this [5], says that Walford was the patron. I am simply asking for the source that says it was, in fact, Berwick. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 19:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-10T19:50:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-07-10T19:50:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T19:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Apologies accepted. i see that you have now read the cited sources. Cronkhill, you understand, is an intrinsic part of the Attingham estate. You might want to find out when the acreage was originally added to the Berwick properties. The 8th Lord Berwick, who ceded Attingham to the Trust after WorldWar II, grew up at Cronkhill.Even after his uncle died and he succeeded to the estate, he did not move into Attingham, which had been let for years and then was a hospital during the Great War (while Berwick was stationed as a diplomat in Paris). He moved inafter the War. So your thought as I gather it, is that the house was designed for Walford ca 1802, before it was reccmmended to Lord Berwick that he take on Walford as an agent, and that Walford then bequeathed Cronkhill to Lord Berwick? Or that he sold it to Berwick? This certainly seems Original. The assertion of various third-hand sources should be added to the article. Wetman (talk) 20:25, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-10T20:25:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-07-10T20:25:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2016-07-10T20:54:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T20:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry - that's all original research. The fact is that all the published, and accepted, sources say it was built for Walford. And that is how I shall amend the article. If you disagree, find a single source that says the patron was Berwick. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 20:54, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-10T20:54:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-07-10T20:54:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T20:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2016-07-10T21:11:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T20:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

This [6] suggests a history not dissimilar to that you outline above. Did Berwick pay for it and Walford live in it? Then who commissioned it? KJP1 (talk) 21:11, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-10T21:11:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-07-10T21:11:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T20:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2016-07-11T09:01:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T21:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Have raised the issue on the article's Talkpage and on the WikiProject Architecture Talkpage. Have also referenced Attingham Park. KJP1 (talk) 09:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-11T09:01:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-07-11T09:01:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-10T21:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Does this help? There seems to be an ambiguity in "for" here. If the land was, and remained, part of the estate, it would seem odd for Walford to build on it.

Many thanks. I hadn't thought to look there and have now added a couple of references. But as to the main issue, I don't think it takes us further. It seems certain that the site was, and still is, part of the Attingham Estate. We know that, on Walford's abrupt departure, the Berwicks moved in and stayed for about 100 years. So it seems very likely that they did own the house, and leased or loaned it to Walford. But all that seems to be original research and all the published sources, including the National Trust, although it does contradict itself, say the same thing; "the house was built for Francis Walford, Lord Berwick's agent." KJP1 (talk) 15:06, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-11T15:06:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-07-11T15:06:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-07-10T18:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wetman-2016-09-25T21:20:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-11T15:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

If the ambiguity in "for" were to be retained in the Wikipedia article, readers would no longer be explicitly misled into thinking that the patron of Nash, paying the bills on this dwelling on the Berwick's estate at Attingham, where Nash was at work for Berwick, was Berwick's estate agent, Walford, an individual not otherwise known to be a patron of Nash. If I build a staff cottage on my place, which is "for" my staff, employing my usual architect, then, for you to assert that the patron is my groundskeeper is original indeed, though research is not part of the picture.-Wetman (talk) 21:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-25T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wetman-2016-09-25T21:20:00.000Z-KJP1-2016-07-11T15:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2016-10-09T12:56:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-09-25T21:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

You continue under the misapprehension that I am stating the house was built for Walford. I am not. I am stating that all of the sources we have, with the exception of the National Trust website which is contradictory, state that the house was built for Walford. If you wish to revert to the earlier version that said the house was built for Berwick, you are, of course, entirely free to do so, subject only to the provision of suitable sources which support the claim. KJP1 (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-09T12:56:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-KJP1-2016-10-09T12:56:00.000Z-Wetman-2016-09-25T21:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello. I hope you don't mind but I wondered if you could please tell me what's meant by at the center of the site's draw in this edit? Yes, it is a wee while ago (!) but I stumbled over it in pursuit of something else and was a bit baffled, and then I thought it might be nicer and more civilized to actually ask the author (c.f. Nick Cave!) and see what you said. Thanks! DBaK (talk) 16:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-03T16:18:00.000Z","author":"DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-03-03T16:18:00.000Z-Blast_from_the_past,_sorry!","replies":["c-Wetman-2017-03-03T17:51:00.000Z-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-2017-03-03T16:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"DBaK"}}-->

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Please explain why a 600 person reenactment is not 'notable'. It was one of the largest, if not very well known outside of New England, renactment events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deemery (talk • contribs) 23:39, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-11T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Deemery","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Deemery-2017-09-11T23:39:00.000Z-Arnold_expedition_reenactment","replies":[]}}-->

You must be confusing me with someone else. I merely restored some deleted text.-Wetman (talk)

OK, I got confused about the editing on the "Arnold Expedition" page. I entered what I thought was a reasonable small addition, it was removed by someone, I put it back, and it -looked like- you removed it again. But I see the change is still there. It's the last line here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold%27s_expedition_to_Quebec#Legacy

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Hi, Wetman on the french version, there is a link to his birth certificate. I was wondering why it redirects here... :)Lotje (talk) 13:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-17T13:16:00.000Z","author":"Lotje","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lotje-2017-09-17T13:16:00.000Z-Denis-Pierre-Jean_Papillon_de_la_Fert\u00e9","replies":["c-Wetman-2017-09-18T02:33:00.000Z-Lotje-2017-09-17T13:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Je n'ai jamais redacté le Wikipédia français.Wetman (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-18T02:33:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2017-09-18T02:33:00.000Z-Lotje-2017-09-17T13:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

In Atlantic Garden, your last (fifth) citation just points to the same URL as the prior citation, and does not cite for what it says it cites for. Any idea what you meant to link? - Jmabel | Talk 16:47, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-07T16:47:00.000Z","author":"Jmabel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jmabel-2017-10-07T16:47:00.000Z-Atlantic_Garden","replies":["c-Wetman-2017-10-07T17:33:00.000Z-Jmabel-2017-10-07T16:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good catch! Fixed that old link.Wetman (talk) 17:33, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-07T17:33:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2017-10-07T17:33:00.000Z-Jmabel-2017-10-07T16:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, thanks for fixing up the architectural description. I'm a little confused by the word "overthrow"—or is that a typo? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-22T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Yoninah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yoninah-2017-11-22T22:05:00.000Z-Mashiach_Borochoff_House","replies":["c-Yoninah-2017-11-22T22:28:00.000Z-Yoninah-2017-11-22T22:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

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Thank you for clarifying the facts on this "Goat of Mendes" issue, I would have done it myself, had you not already taken care of it, if I knew how, and if I had the time. But I very much appreciate your validation of what has come to be my understanding. Had it not been for your edit, I may have fallen into the fallacy of believing the fictional story, masquerading as the truth. Many years ago, maybe about fifteen or sixteen, I read in the Book of Lies, by Aleister Crowley, in one of the poems, a reference to the "Goat of Mendes", which perplexed me, I was left wondering what it was, what it meant, and so on. However, it was but one reference amidst so many other mysterious and then unknown to me items and words, that my curiosity fell to the back burner and I was left with a vague notion that it had something to do with the occult sciences and ceremonial magick in general, and I just figured that in the course of my reading and studies, I would eventually know what he meant by the "Goat of Mendes", in some far off, future time when I had become fully initiated in to the highest degrees and most closely guarded secrets and that sort of thing. The reality of my experinces since then fall somewhat short of the mark in some respects, and far surpasses my expectations in others. I'll get to the point, I'm just finishing Gods of the Egyptians by E.A.Wallis Budge, a book I first picked up by chance in pdf form whilst perusing authoritative texts on Egyptian mythology, and ancient Egypt in general. While reading the book, I learned for the first time that Mendes was a city in ancient Egypt, and furthermore, that they had a ram and I believe a bull (or was the Apis bull somewhere else? perhaps I'm confused), and hence, the term "Goat of Mendes" suddenly made sense, kind-of, for the first time in all those years. However, I was left thinking to myself, that Crowley must have made an error, being that there was no goat of any mention in concern to the city, at least in the book I was reading. Opening up Transcendental Magic by Eliphas Levi, I very quickly stumbled across the term regarding the animal and the city once again, and the whole picture came into light. Crowley used the term, pretending to have vast knowledge of the occult, and of ancient Eygpt (if he knew that Mendes was a city in ancient Egypt) which he found in Levi's writings, who must have aquired it from yet another source, also in error, unless he invented the lie or mistake himself, or was confused about the ram and possibly bull of the city. Sorry to say that two of my favourite occult writers fall another notch, as I take the time to seriously look into what they are saying. At first reading, and forever if just a one time read, for the uneducated, or ignorant, their charade comes off well, but we're seeing a lttle deeper into the truth now. One last note, I'm suprised that Crowley never read Gods of the Egyptians, it was published in 1904, the same year he that he wrote, or received, the Book of the Law in Cairo, Crowley being in Egypt at the time. I wonder if he ever realised his mistake while alive, one can never know. But finally, I'm grateful to you for updating this article with the correct information, I decided just now that I would google "The Goat of Mendes" and see if I was right that they were both wrong, or if I was mistaken. Had you not edited the article, I would have believed myself to be in error, and would have bought the story abotu the goat and the copulation, and all that whole cloth. It's a lesson for me in being more critical and doubtful, or at least, reading deeper inton things in the future. Thank you.

Ian Soph

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Hello Wetman,
You were the first to publish on Wiki about Remus Quietanus. Your page was usefull to me, Thank you ! Since two years, I have studied Quietanus's Biography more precisely. So 28 april 2018 I have created an article on french Wikipédia. Please look at Johannes Remus Quietanus.

If you are interested, you can complete the English version. In every case, it seems to be necessary, to correct the dates of "Observations et descriptions duorum Cometarum anno 1618" : the date 1628 is false and RQ sended it to Galileo in the year 1619 from Innsbruck (Latin name Oeniponti) I have written the same on the talk-page associated to the English article.

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Your original edit says check for interpretation. Is it translated from somewhere? I see a possible copyvio tag on it but Earwig shows nothing. Please ping if you reply, thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:26, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-07-15T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-2018-07-15T08:26:00.000Z-A._H._Sayce","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Wetman, I see you are not quite as active as once you were, but hopefully you are well and just enjoying a sojourn in the sun. I am barely here now (a combination to real life pressures and disillusionment); however, I needed to look a subject up today, and was horrified to see that in this day and age French Renaissance architecture is still in the state we would have found it in the early years 2000. Could you be prevailed upon to expand? Not really my field, I could expand ad-lib a little, but unless one cites fifty books per paragraph, all manner of accusations are levied and I don’t have the requisite books to hand. Hope all is good with you. Kind regards Giano (talk) 19:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-07-18T19:27:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Giano-2018-07-18T19:27:00.000Z-French_Renaissance_architecture","replies":["c-Wetman-2018-07-18T20:15:00.000Z-Giano-2018-07-18T19:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good to hear from you, Giano. My theme this past year is refocusing and expanding a series of gardens at a farmhouse that I laid out in the 1990s and didn't see again until I returned to them last September. Hugely gratifying: am treated like a sage at every turn! Alas for such an interesting Wikipedia article.-Wetman (talk) 20:15, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-07-18T20:15:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wetman-2018-07-18T20:15:00.000Z-Giano-2018-07-18T19:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You are an inspiration to us all! Johnbod (talk) 13:47, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-04T13:47:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2018-09-04T13:47:00.000Z-Happy_15th_anniversary!","replies":["c-Giano-2018-09-04T20:06:00.000Z-Johnbod-2018-09-04T13:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

When I first started editing here, your knowledge of architecture and advice was inspirational. All these years later, nothing has changed except I am a little less black haired and a lot balder. Happy Anniversary. Giano (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-04T20:06:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Giano-2018-09-04T20:06:00.000Z-Johnbod-2018-09-04T13:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghirlandajo-2018-09-05T16:49:00.000Z-Giano-2018-09-04T20:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

I concur (about balding too ;). --Ghirla^-трёп- 16:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-05T16:49:00.000Z","author":"Ghirlandajo","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ghirlandajo-2018-09-05T16:49:00.000Z-Giano-2018-09-04T20:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Ghirla"}}-->

You are probably correct in your assertion about this book, but if so the claim should be made in the article body not the lead, (ahem) cited, and then summarized in the lead ... not the other way around ... however things may (ahem) have been done 15 years ago ... All the best, (and I concur with the comments about head-coverings above), Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:24, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-03T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2018-10-03T16:24:00.000Z-Etymologiae","replies":["c-Wetman-2018-10-03T17:05:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2018-10-03T16:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Reverting (ahem) is not editing. Reverters are not editors (ahem). Try to be helpful.Wetman (talk) 17:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-03T17:05:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wetman-2018-10-03T17:05:00.000Z-Chiswick_Chap-2018-10-03T16:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Risker-2018-10-03T19:53:00.000Z-Wetman-2018-10-03T17:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think this was pretty well referenced in the "Reception" section of the article, which would have been obvious if the OP had (ahem) read the article itself, and have reinstated the edit. Further discussion can be taken to the article's talk page if necessary. Risker (talk) 19:53, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-03T19:53:00.000Z","author":"Risker","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Risker-2018-10-03T19:53:00.000Z-Wetman-2018-10-03T17:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello. It has been a long time, but do you remember the Frieze of Parnassus (you commented on it briefly back then)? One of the redirects I created while working on that has been put up for discussion, and I commented here. Would you know how common the (presumably older?) form of the name 'Michael Angelo' is for Michelangelo, and why people ever used that form at all? Was it something to do with how names were 'translated' at certain periods in the history of art? (I also asked Johnbod on his talk page, so pinging him to try and avoid my bad habit of fragmenting discussions). Carcharoth (talk) 02:10, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-07-17T02:10:00.000Z","author":"Carcharoth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carcharoth-2019-07-17T02:10:00.000Z-Michael_Angelo","replies":[]}}-->

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You edited the Perrenial plant page, adding "very soft climates" to an image description. This is not a known climate, even Google comes up empty. No idea if that's supposed to be warm, wet, cold, temperate, tropical, or what. If you want to re-add it with a widely used climate, please do. --WildElf (talk) 05:11, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T05:11:00.000Z","author":"WildElf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WildElf-2021-02-06T05:11:00.000Z-\"very_soft\"_does_not_show_up_on_any_climate_lists","replies":["c-Johnbod-2021-02-06T05:27:00.000Z-WildElf-2021-02-06T05:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Changed to "mild" (ie essentially frost-free, or nearly so). Johnbod (talk) 05:27, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T05:27:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2021-02-06T05:27:00.000Z-WildElf-2021-02-06T05:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you. "Soft" was far too informal.Wetman (talk) 05:50, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T05:50:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2021-02-06T05:50:00.000Z-\"very_soft\"_does_not_show_up_on_any_climate_lists","replies":["c-Johnbod-2021-02-06T16:17:00.000Z-Wetman-2021-02-06T05:50:00.000Z","c-Johnbod-2021-02-06T16:25:00.000Z-Wetman-2021-02-06T05:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good to see you around! Btw, last summer I saw one - a Bishop of Llandaff I think - looking good at Gibside, which must be on a similar latitude to Maine. It was on a volunteer-tended plot in the walled garden, where the volunteers hadn't been allowed in all spring & early summer, so must have been left over from 2019. Johnbod (talk) 16:17, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T16:17:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2021-02-06T16:17:00.000Z-Wetman-2021-02-06T05:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Actually it's well north of that - only southern Alaska in the US:

• Notable cities and towns on 55°N
• Omsk, Omsk Oblast, Russia
• Novosibirsk, Novosibirsk Oblast, Russia
• Derry, Northern Ireland, UK
• Newcastle upon Tyne, England, UK
• South Shields, England, UK.
• Thompson, Manitoba, CA

(according to WP). Nothing soft about their climates. Thank god for the Gulf Stream! Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T16:25:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2021-02-06T16:25:00.000Z-Wetman-2021-02-06T05:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The garden I tend on Long Iskand, at the latitude of Madrid, is about the softest microclimate of the island, thanks to the lagoon termed the Great South Bay. Dahlias must be lifted each October. Wetman (talk) 17:00, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T17:00:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2021-02-06T17:00:00.000Z-\"very_soft\"_does_not_show_up_on_any_climate_lists","replies":["c-Johnbod-2021-02-07T01:09:00.000Z-Wetman-2021-02-06T17:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

And my brother who lives in Madrid was just telling me the unprecedented snow (on the ground for 10 days or so - ¡caramba!) meant most smaller streets were undrivable for that time. I bet they don't usually lift their dahlias. In London I only lifted mine in December - cannas likewise, a little later. Johnbod (talk) 01:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-07T01:09:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2021-02-07T01:09:00.000Z-Wetman-2021-02-06T17:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I notice that you have an interest in Thornwell Jacobs, an article I expanded ten fold back in 2008 (so I believe I have ownership, like a creator). I plan on making this a Good Article. If you would like to develop this to where you have 20% authorship into the article and nominate as a GAN, then we both could earn a green icon credit. When the article is reviewed, then you answer the easy issues and I will answer the difficult issues. I plan on making 100 Good Articles this year, so am working off my list of potential Good Articles. If any of these (without a date already) looks interesting, then develop my created article to 20% authorship and become the GAN nominator. We both could then earn a green icon with the above plan. If I see you editing any of these articles (from my watch list) then I will assume you are interested in the proposal. --Douglas Coldwell (talk) 14:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T14:42:00.000Z","author":"Douglas Coldwell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Douglas_Coldwell-2021-02-06T14:42:00.000Z-Proposal","replies":[]}}-->

I feel that writing articles in Wikipedia is a bit like folding boats out of paper and setting them loose on a small stream. All articles are "good" and all could be made better. I don't think of percentages. Keep editing! Nice to see you again!Wetman (talk) 17:15, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-06T17:15:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2021-02-06T17:15:00.000Z-Proposal","replies":[]}}-->

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Not a major 17th century poet, but Wikipedia is not a paper dictionary and there is space. Wetman (talk) 20:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-12T20:46:00.000Z","author":"Wetman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wetman-2021-03-12T20:46:00.000Z-Nomination_of_A._W._(poet)_for_deletion","replies":[]}}-->

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Some time ago, you did a large edit on the Themis article, which included the following statement:

Themis presided over the proper relation between man and woman, the basis of the rightly ordered family (the family was seen as the pillar of the deme.)

(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Themis&diff=4679715&oldid=4638712)

I've placed a "Citation needed" on that statement. I've looked through the translated sources at theoi.com and I cannot find anything that suggests Themis had strong opinions on gender roles or on what a family should look like, or that she enforced any sort of law on people regarding those things.

Is there an untranslated source which backs up this claim? Perhaps something I've missed in the sources I've looked at?

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I am notifying you because it appears like you were the original creator of the list, within the Dome page, and on the off chance you can remember anything from seventeen years ago I was hoping you might be able to provide some information that would contribute to that discussion.

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I can’t help worrying that “celebrated domes” are crowning houses lived in by “celebrities,” in which case the Grand Duchess Meghan of California will have a dome only exceeded by that of the Archduke Donald of Palm Beach. It’s concerning really isn’t it, where will it end? Giano (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-19T19:53:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Giano-2021-06-19T19:53:00.000Z-BilledMammal-2021-06-19T05:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ha ha! Not my kind of list at all! Where is Yul Brynner, a celebrated dome of my teen years? Glad to see you lurking about, Giano!

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• This nomination Thepharoah17 is monumental in its ignorance. I suggest you, yourself, “please consider improving” and do some basic research before you ever nominate a page for deletion again. Wetman is one of the project’s longest serving and most respected editors: he does not ‘do’ copyvio or write pages worthy of deletion. Giano (talk) 20:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-09T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Giano","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Giano-2021-08-09T20:22:00.000Z-Thepharoah17-2021-08-08T02:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Looking at the FAC for Ham House, which has a spanking new(ly restored) Wilderness, I find there doesn't seem to be anything to link to at all. Thoughts? If I have to start something myself, ideas for good sources would be welcome, from anyone. I've stuck what I've found online so far here. Meanwhile, Boscage redirects to Forest! Hope you're keeping well, Best, Johnbod (talk) 17:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-23T17:48:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-2021-10-23T17:48:00.000Z-Wilderness_(garden_history)","replies":[]}}-->

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The edit summary for the initial revision of body politic provides the explanation as to how this reference to "body politic" came to be in the polity article, though it doesn't explain why it's still there. Fabrickator (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-15T16:23:00.000Z","author":"Fabrickator","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fabrickator-2021-11-15T16:23:00.000Z-2603:7000:9901:41BA:1112:CCFE:CD6C:2B61-2021-11-15T14:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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