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is what I think you meant ;-) Online if there's anything that needs actioning, reverting. Let me know. StarMississippi01:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201015200","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20241201015200-Go_Irish","replies":["c-Drmies-20241201020700-Star_Mississippi-20241201015200"],"displayName":"Star"}}-->
Oh I think you know exactly what I meant. Surely you're old enough to remember the last few times that TD Jesus was asked to play the Tide, youknow. But y'all doing better than we are this year... Hey Star, I actually watched some of the Egg Bowl yesterday. It's not Mississippi State's year, but I think I've been saying that for decades. I remember watching those games at my mother in law's house, on the old TV console, up near 72. Anywayz, I don't know. I dropped a query on ANI that you are welcome to look into. It's kind of quiet--but my saying that is probably going to make Recent Changes to crazy. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201020700","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241201020700-Star_Mississippi-20241201015200","replies":["c-Star_Mississippi-20241201021500-Drmies-20241201020700"]}}-->
That Egg Bowl was something else. This weekend does lend itself to it. Glad your boys put away Auburn because, yuck. Tonight I find myself rooting orange because of a certain first year QB Have you read Rammer Jammer Yellow Jammer by Warren St. John? I read it recently and it really is a time gone by. I recommend it if you haven't, even though much of it won't be new to you.Will go look at the ANI thread. Thankfully some of the regulars seem to have found something else to do on this long weekend. StarMississippi02:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201021500","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20241201021500-Drmies-20241201020700","replies":["c-Drmies-20241201022000-Star_Mississippi-20241201021500","c-Drmies-20241201022100-Star_Mississippi-20241201021500"],"displayName":"Star"}}-->
Haha, what unthinking person plans a wedding on a football Saturday??? I ordered a used copy--thanks! Drmies (talk) 02:20, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201022000","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-20241201022000-Star_Mississippi-20241201021500","replies":[]}}-->
Oh if you're looking for things to do--I don't know who does know whatever Fastily did... Drmies (talk) 02:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201022100","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-20241201022100-Star_Mississippi-20241201021500","replies":["c-Drmies-20241201023000-Drmies-20241201022100","c-Star_Mississippi-20241201023200-Drmies-20241201022100"]}}-->
User:Star Mississippi, I have the feeling the CSD categories aren't really being monitored. Please do NOT take this as a request to delete the ones I nominated--let some totally uninvolved admin handle them. But the fact that there still listed suggests to me that there may be a bit of a lag there, and I think that was one of the things that Fastily was very active in. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201023000","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-20241201023000-Drmies-20241201022100","replies":[]}}-->
I've been following DreamRimmer, Novem and Liz's discussions there. Definitely going to jump in as process gets sorted. Thanks for reminder on that. Will go look at CSDs. I think some of the good usual suspects are offline with the holiday. There was some stale AfDs earlier as well.And yes, that couple was a fun part of the book. St. John did a good job humanizing all the fan eccentricities. I draw the line at living in an RV with a faulty sewage tank just for a game though -- and it wasn't even Tennessee. StarMississippi02:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201023200","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20241201023200-Drmies-20241201022100","replies":["c-Drmies-20241201023600-Star_Mississippi-20241201023200"],"displayName":"Star"}}-->
Haha Tennessee? This was my first block tonight, haha. Drmies (talk) 02:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201023600","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-20241201023600-Star_Mississippi-20241201023200","replies":["c-Star_Mississippi-20241201032700-Drmies-20241201023600"]}}-->
Hah! Hate to see what they'd have written if they'd lost to Vandy. StarMississippi03:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201032700","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20241201032700-Drmies-20241201023600","replies":["c-Drmies-20241201033200-Star_Mississippi-20241201032700","c-Drmies-20241201034200-Star_Mississippi-20241201032700"],"displayName":"Star"}}-->
Well, I was about to go to bed, but my log will show you what I ran into... one BLP violator, one transhater (and an older sock, and a Fastily-hater), a few LTA socks, a couple of webhost violators... Drmies (talk) 03:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201033200","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Drmies-20241201033200-Star_Mississippi-20241201032700","replies":[]}}-->
Oh Star you should see my last few blocks--again, I'm just trying to go to bed here. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201034200","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Drmies-20241201034200-Star_Mississippi-20241201032700","replies":["c-Star_Mississippi-20241201035400-Drmies-20241201034200"]}}-->
We both jinxed it! Be well. StarMississippi03:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201035400","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20241201035400-Drmies-20241201034200","replies":[],"displayName":"Star"}}-->
User:Star Mississippi, the book is in. ;) (Bama is out...) Drmies (talk) 13:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209135100","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-20241209135100-Go_Irish","replies":["c-Star_Mississippi-20241210192200-Drmies-20241209135100"]}}-->
What a weird class of 12. Rivalries always make for some strange bedfellows, but playoffs even more. Like the old BCS Chaos days <3 StarMississippi19:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210192200","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20241210192200-Drmies-20241209135100","replies":[],"displayName":"Star"}}-->
I noticed you are currently active and was wondering if you could take a quick look at this guy. Keeps making the same edits that I'm pretty sure are vandalism, but I'm not certain. Thanks! SlightlyToastedCheesecake (talk) 21:54, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204215400","author":"SlightlyToastedCheesecake","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SlightlyToastedCheesecake-20241204215400-User:AnonymeperOnnnnn","replies":["c-Drmies-20241204222400-SlightlyToastedCheesecake-20241204215400"]}}-->
Hmm I was out on an expedition--and ran into Michael and Bob!--so I missed it--but I see that Ponyo took care of matters. Drmies (talk) 22:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204222400","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241204222400-SlightlyToastedCheesecake-20241204215400","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi. Here are additional sources supporting the subsection that you deleted:
Eh, please link the article next time? Drmies (talk) 13:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209132700","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241209132700-Isonomia01-20241209072900","replies":[]}}-->
OK. I don't need extra sources, but thanks. I see that sourcing wasn't the only problem. Drmies (talk) 13:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209132800","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241209132800-Isonomia01-20241209072900","replies":["c-Isonomia01-20241209170200-Drmies-20241209132800"]}}-->
Please try to be collaborative, assume good faith (this is a collaborative project and assuming good faith is important), and productive. Please don't just randomly delete content without any notes or attempt at discussion. While I appreciate being challenged, the way you're going about it is inefficient, and is making extra work for me. Your challenge is not nearly as productive as fixing the "Cities by population and crime rates" tables in the article for example. Please participate in discussion. Please support your assertions or conclusions with arguments/logic and examples (i.e. your assertion in the edit summary of "non-neutral", and your assertion here: "sourcing wasn't the only problem", both of which are conclusory, controversial, and probably incorrect). Sourcing isn't a problem in the way you're saying it is. Thanks. I am familiar with the situation, and the statements I made were objective. However, I can appreciate you double-checking that the statements I make are clearly and indisputably supported by the sources that I've listed because (although I am being diligent about limiting my edits to those supported by sources that I list) I am writing (in part) based on my knowledge of the situation after years of research, including sources from the lawsuits, and statements made by public officials. I still need to learn how to list those sources correctly per Wikipedia protocols, but your proof-reading is appreciated. If you'd like to provide any specific examples of statements I made that were non-neutral, I'm happy to listen to feedback and take it into consideration. Ultimately, the fact that the victim of the 2015 torture ring victim being shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade while peacefully protesting on video is notable, and is properly sourced at this point.Isonomia01 (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209170200","author":"Isonomia01","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Isonomia01-20241209170200-Drmies-20241209132800","replies":["c-Glane23-20241209180400-Isonomia01-20241209170200","c-Folly_Mox-20241209185900-Isonomia01-20241209170200"]}}-->
(talk page stalker) Teaching grandma how to suck eggs comes to mind. Just sayin'... Geoff | Who, me?18:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209180400","author":"Glane23","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Glane23-20241209180400-Isonomia01-20241209170200","replies":["c-Isonomia01-20241209180700-Glane23-20241209180400"],"displayName":"Geoff"}}-->
Cryptic and irrelevant. Isonomia01 (talk) 18:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209180700","author":"Isonomia01","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Isonomia01-20241209180700-Glane23-20241209180400","replies":["c-Glane23-20241209184600-Isonomia01-20241209180700"]}}-->
(talk page stalker) Allow me to elucidate: In one corner we have Drmies, an autopatrolled user, checkuser, oversighter, and administrator, 17 years 3 months old, with 405,385 edits and in the other corner we have Isonomia01, a registered user, 7 months old, with 173 edits. Maybe you could have started the conversation by avoiding the newby lecture, which really isn't too useful even with newbys. Thus, the proverbial grandma and eggs reference. Geoff | Who, me?18:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209184600","author":"Glane23","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Glane23-20241209184600-Isonomia01-20241209180700","replies":["c-Bbb23-20241209185800-Glane23-20241209184600","c-Isonomia01-20241209200300-Glane23-20241209184600"],"displayName":"Geoff"}}-->
To be fair, you should include the edits of Isonomia09(talk·contribs·deleted contribs·logs·filter log·block user·block log). They were condescending and long-winded then, and they haven't changed in the interim.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209185800","author":"Bbb23","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Bbb23-20241209185800-Glane23-20241209184600","replies":["c-Isonomia01-20241209201600-Bbb23-20241209185800"]}}-->
@Bbb23, I understand your removal of the section on my userpage. I'm not sure if the edits I made and re-added are agreeable to you, but please feel welcome to discuss, or make productive and polite suggestions. If you have personal criticism for me, I will take it into consideration if you (1) provide me with specific examples for reference, and (2) are polite about it. For the record, I just don't want my content deleted (1) without prior discussion, (2) in violation of Wikipedia's rules (I'm not saying this happened all the time, not trying to get into an argument, I think that all the past issues have been settled and resolved, and I'm also not saying that anyone acted in bad faith), or (3) remove content without adequate explanation or a note on the talk page. Isonomia01 (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209201600","author":"Isonomia01","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Isonomia01-20241209201600-Bbb23-20241209185800","replies":[]}}-->
I'm sorry. I thought you were calling me a talk page stalker, in conjunction with the grandma sucking eggs reference. My bad. Isonomia01 (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209200300","author":"Isonomia01","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Isonomia01-20241209200300-Glane23-20241209184600","replies":[]}}-->
(talk page stalker)Isonomia01, lawsuits can be cited with {{cite court}}, but are considered Primary sources and must be used with caution. Statements from public officials can be cited with {{cite news}} or {{cite press release}}, depending on whether the statements were reported by the news media or simply originated from the public office in question. Folly Mox (talk) 18:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209185900","author":"Folly Mox","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Folly_Mox-20241209185900-Isonomia01-20241209170200","replies":["c-Deepfriedokra-20241209195100-Folly_Mox-20241209185900"]}}-->
If you think the "newbie lecture" is interesting, you should see the redacted versions of their post to this talk page. Just sayin' -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209195300","author":"Deepfriedokra","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Deepfriedokra-20241209195300-Deepfriedokra-20241209195100","replies":["c-Bbb23-20241209195500-Deepfriedokra-20241209195300"],"displayName":"-- Deepfriedokra"}}-->
(edit conflict) Are you sure you mean me? You didn't indent this properly, so not sure. If you did, I have no idea how to answer. Maybe a little less pithy?--Bbb23 (talk) 19:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209195500","author":"Bbb23","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Bbb23-20241209195500-Deepfriedokra-20241209195300","replies":["c-Deepfriedokra-20241209200000-Bbb23-20241209195500"]}}-->
@Bbb23: Just pointing out the versions of OP's posts here that they removed. The wut was in reference to the prior account you references. That intrigued me. Thanks! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209200000","author":"Deepfriedokra","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Deepfriedokra-20241209200000-Bbb23-20241209195500","replies":["c-Deepfriedokra-20241209200700-Deepfriedokra-20241209200000"],"displayName":"-- Deepfriedokra"}}-->
FWIW, I prefer "talk page watcher." It's less alarming. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209200700","author":"Deepfriedokra","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Deepfriedokra-20241209200700-Deepfriedokra-20241209200000","replies":["c-Glane23-20241209203300-Deepfriedokra-20241209200700"],"displayName":"-- Deepfriedokra"}}-->
@Deepfriedokra: Good point and thank you. I hadn't looked at the TPS article in a while and missed the use of TPW. Learn something every day, especially around our good friend Drmies' Talk page. It's never a dull moment around here. Geoff | Who, me?20:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209203300","author":"Glane23","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Glane23-20241209203300-Deepfriedokra-20241209200700","replies":[],"displayName":"Geoff"}}-->
Isonomia01, allow me a few notes. First of all, please use "Preview" before you hit "Publish edit" so that I don't get 25 talk page notifications instead of 6 or 7. Second, you dropped a bunch of URLs here without telling me what specifically you wanted me to do with that--well, I'm not going to do anything with them, because we're not on the article talk page, which is where you probably should have started this, and again, there are no specific statements here about things in the article and sources for it.
I believe you cited my edit summaries, so it should be clear that I didn't remove information randomly. This edit has only one possibly acceptable source, from KPFA--but it's an announcement/link for a radio show, so there is no actual information on that website to verify--plus, it's an interview with the person who got shot in the face, so that's hardly the same as a news report. The other two sources are just not acceptable for BLP information on a politically loaded topic. The whole thing looked very much not neutral to me. But again, this is what you should hash out on the talk page, with specific proposals for sections and sentences and their sources, not here.
Oh, I see now what you posted on the talk page, but it's not very clear to me: it's a lot of text and a lot of other...well, stuff, and it's not very organized to me. But what I also see is that both User:Willondon and User:Magnolia677 pointed out problems, and there is no consensus on anything--perhaps if you'd let the other editors know, they might have given their advice: both are very experienced editors. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210012100","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210012100-Your_deletion_and_edits_on_the_Sonoma_County,_California_page","replies":["c-Isonomia01-20241210013500-Drmies-20241210012100"]}}-->
That discussion is six months old (correction: it started a year and six months ago, and ended six months ago). Magnolia removed my section on the talk page where I originally neglected to cite sources. It's my impression that consensus was reached, because discussion ended when I provided sources. There were no disagreements after I provided sources. I will be more careful about proofreading before I hit submit. I will also try to start with sources, and then add proposed wording after I provide the sources, rather than start with proposed edits and wording first. In the future, if someone deletes my content without making any notes on the talk page, I will plan on tagging them on the talk page, rather than on their user talk page. Marqus Martinez (the man who was shot with the grenade) is no longer living. To reiterate what I said above, it is notable that the victim of the 2015 torture ring incident who organized the lawsuit was shot in the face with a crowd control grenade while filming himself peacefully protesting in 2020. The sources I provided above here meet Wikipedia's standards. Isonomia01 (talk) 01:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210013500","author":"Isonomia01","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Isonomia01-20241210013500-Drmies-20241210012100","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210014000-Isonomia01-20241210013500"]}}-->
What I see is a discussion where two editors briefly commented on what you were saying followed by a lengthy section that no one responded to, and I think it's because that was added a lot later, without anyone being pinged. So no, you can't call that consensus: it's likely that neither knew there was something there. As for talk page/article talk page--if you want to call someone an asshole, their talk page is the place for it. If you want to propose text and sourcing, the article talk page is the way to go--but if you want consensus, you have to present things in a easily digestible method, with clear proposals for text and their sourcing, and in manageable chunks, not those long paragraphs. And you gotta let them know! I have no interest in covering up police brutality, and if the sources you linked above are good, go for it--but you gotta go about it somewhat carefully, with solid sources and neutral writing. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 01:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210014000","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210014000-Isonomia01-20241210013500","replies":["c-Cullen328-20241210014300-Drmies-20241210014000","c-Isonomia01-20241216033300-Drmies-20241210014000"]}}-->
Here is the very sad story of Marqus Martinez. Cullen328 (talk) 01:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210014300","author":"Cullen328","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cullen328-20241210014300-Drmies-20241210014000","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210015000-Cullen328-20241210014300","c-Cullen328-20241210021000-Cullen328-20241210014300"]}}-->
Wow--that's tragic. Thank you Cullen. Perhaps you can help with that article? Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 01:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210015000","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210015000-Cullen328-20241210014300","replies":[]}}-->
It is too emotional for me, Drmies. My parents lived in Sonoma County in the years before their deaths and owned a small apartment building there. I have visited there and worked there hundreds of times. I have many friends there. I would have trouble being neutral about this topic. By the way, we had a very well referenced article about Dominic Foppoli for 4-1/2 years until it was deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominic Foppoli. One of the criticisms was "local coverage" although the Los Angeles Times covered Foppoli in detail and LA is 435 miles from Windsor. I did not learn about the AfD until the article was gone. Sad, really. Cullen328 (talk) 02:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210021000","author":"Cullen328","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Cullen328-20241210021000-Cullen328-20241210014300","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210021300-Cullen328-20241210021000"]}}-->
Oh, that AfD was close, Cullen. I have no doubt about your capability of staying neutral, though. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210021300","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210021300-Cullen328-20241210021000","replies":[]}}-->
What happened was the Magnolia removed my section from the *talk page* with, what I view as, wanton contumacy for Wikipedia's rules, and then arbitrarily threatened me with a block, for absolutely no reason whatsoever, which I view as crazy. I wasn't going to mention it, but now it has come up. I also don't think adding a section on objective and notable section about what I would call government corruption to an article that otherwise reads like a tourist brochure is anywhere near risking turning the entire article page into an attack page, so I really can't take that warning without a grain of salt either. In any case, I disagree that I should be asked to invite Magnolia to participate in a consensus discussion. The discussion was there. I responded to him multiple times, informing him precisely what I was going to do, and in response I got radio silence. Magnolia did not respond for 6 months. You didn't tag me in a discussion and seek consensus before you reverted my edits. I add sections on the talk pages regarding edits I intend to make, to create a forum for discussion. Again, I do that *before* I make the edits. I then allow time for people to discuss the topic. Then I make the edits. I expect people to participate, to the same standard that I am being held to, in consensus discussion. My time should be respected. People should not randomly delete content without participating in consensus discussion. Consensus is more than voting. It is more than whoever has more edits in their history wins the debate. It should be based on (1) Wikipedia's Rules, and (2) logic. Arguments that have neither basis in Wikipedia's Rules, or in Logic, should be discarded. Again, I don't believe that I should be the *only one* burdened with participating in consensus discussion, although I understand your suggestion because I am (relatively) new (even though I've been editing Wikipedia for multiple decades, off and on, but lost access to my old accounts). Likewise, though, if other people are not going to respect Wikipedia's rules, or are going to make arguments that are obviously illogical or false, I do not think I should be burdened with inviting them to participate in consensus discussion, and that they should just be able to randomly delete my edits, make obviously false arguments as to why, and instruct ME to participate in consensus discussion, when I already have topics on the talk page that they are deliberately ignoring. It's nonsensical, and disrespectful of my time. Especially after they removed my topic from the *talk page* with clear contumacy for Wikipedia's Rules, and then threatened me with a block, again with open contumacy for Wikipedia's Rules. Again, I wasn't going to say anything, but Magnolia removed the content, made an obviously nonsensical argument, and told me to participate in consensus, when I have sections on the talk page that they have not participated in. Please have the same standards for all people. This is a new issue, because Magnolia deleted content from the article, and did not participate in discussion on the talk page, and is trying to be deceptive in his edit remarks. With reference to (a) arbitrarily removing content from the talk page, (b) arbitrarily threatening me with a block, and (c) telling me to seek consensus when I already have sections on the talk page that they are simultaneously deliberately ignoring, it is logical to conclude that Magnolia is deliberately instigating conflict without a rational basis.Isonomia01 (talk) 03:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216033300","author":"Isonomia01","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Isonomia01-20241216033300-Drmies-20241210014000","replies":[]}}-->
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That's PiermarkJayCubby02:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210020300","author":"JayCubby","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JayCubby-20241210020300-user:Bi_fedakariya_Gerillay\u00ean_HPG'\u00ea,_\u00eazd\u00ee_ji_n\u00fb_ve_ji_dayik_b\u00f3n_\u015eENGAL","replies":["c-JayCubby-20241210020500-JayCubby-20241210020300"],"displayName":"Jay"}}-->
You've indeffed, so no further action may be necessary. JayCubby02:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210020500","author":"JayCubby","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JayCubby-20241210020500-JayCubby-20241210020300","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210020900-JayCubby-20241210020500","c-Drmies-20241210021200-JayCubby-20241210020500"],"displayName":"Jay"}}-->
Thanks, yes I saw that after I blocked, and I blocked because there was another IP making the same bullshit edits. User:JayCubby, sorry, but please make your signature MOS:COLOR compliant? I can't see your name, that blue on black, or black on blue, I can't read it. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210020900","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210020900-JayCubby-20241210020500","replies":["c-JayCubby-20241210022300-Drmies-20241210020900"]}}-->
Should be fixed now. I initially couldn't figure out how to get the link color to change, but thanks to another user I've figured out what went wrong. JayCubby02:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210022300","author":"JayCubby","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-JayCubby-20241210022300-Drmies-20241210020900","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210022400-JayCubby-20241210022300"],"displayName":"Jay"}}-->
Ah yes, thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210022400","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210022400-JayCubby-20241210022300","replies":["c-JayCubby-20241210022700-Drmies-20241210022400"]}}-->
ChatGPT couldn't figure it out, so I had to think for myself. Trying times in which we live! JayCubby02:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210022700","author":"JayCubby","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-JayCubby-20241210022700-Drmies-20241210022400","replies":[],"displayName":"Jay"}}-->
Oh, I see now there's a whole bunch of such socks. How irritating, and sad. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210021200","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210021200-JayCubby-20241210020500","replies":[]}}-->
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rugendow I noticed a message on Widr's talk page and responded before having a look at the OP's record. Hmmm...-Ad Orientem (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210045200","author":"Ad Orientem","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ad_Orientem-20241210045200-Of_possible_interest","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210130300-Ad_Orientem-20241210045200"]}}-->
They are confirmed with User:Soapbeats--do with that what you will. I need to do my exercises first. Drmies (talk) 13:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210130300","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210130300-Ad_Orientem-20241210045200","replies":["c-Ad_Orientem-20241210162200-Drmies-20241210130300"]}}-->
Indeffed the sock. Also the master as NOTHERE. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210162200","author":"Ad Orientem","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ad_Orientem-20241210162200-Drmies-20241210130300","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210195000-Ad_Orientem-20241210162200"]}}-->
Seems fair. My exercises were boring--there's good days and bad days on Nederland in Beweging!. Drmies (talk) 19:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210195000","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210195000-Ad_Orientem-20241210162200","replies":[]}}-->
Drmies, I’m Yuanmongolempiredynasty, creator of Flagpedia.net. There is a reason that there are not many references. Flagpedia is not a very famous company, even though it has many users. There are no other websites I could find and there are no books or news articles about the company. Did you at least look at the references?
I’ll try my best to find more references but those are the only ones I could find.
P.S. The YouTube one was supposed to be their channel, but it didn’t link. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 12:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210121400","author":"Yuanmongolempiredynasty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241210121400-Flagpedia.net","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210195700-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241210121400"]}}-->
Not every website is notable... Drmies (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210195700","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210195700-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241210121400","replies":["c-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241210212300-Drmies-20241210195700"]}}-->
I’ll try my best, I really want it to be published Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210212300","author":"Yuanmongolempiredynasty","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241210212300-Drmies-20241210195700","replies":["c-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241211233000-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241210212300"]}}-->
Hi again Drmies! So I know I’ve told you a million times but there are actually ZERO references left, no websites, definitely no books, and nothing else on it. I’m replying to everyone who had involvement that if they could do some research on it and find some more references that would be great😉 Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 23:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241211233000","author":"Yuanmongolempiredynasty","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241211233000-Yuanmongolempiredynasty-20241210212300","replies":[]}}-->
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i need your help about a page full of pseudo-history
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hello Drmies,
first of all apologies if i annoyed you about the Ustad Ahmad Lahori page,
most information on him comes from a single untrustworthy source written by his son that doesnt match with other mughal records,
the nature of work from that era is ignored and the entire page is based on myths upon myth and manipulated sources,
i took some effort to go in-depth and i wrote a pretty in-depth well-sourced explanation on the talk page Talk:Ustad Ahmad Lahori titled "a refutation of the myths about ustad ahmad lahori's role as the chief architect of shahjahan and the nature of his work as described in his old wikipedia"
if you feel my writing habits suck, maybe you are better and we can write it up better to replace the present version that takes in account only myth and goes against the traditions and records of that era, while also ignoring the work of the best academic alive on that topic.
it would be a great help if you could be kind to me and help me resolve it,
my concerns are genuine against pseudo-history and not in bad faith. Goshua55 (talk) 21:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210210200","author":"Goshua55","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Goshua55-20241210210200-i_need_your_help_about_a_page_full_of_pseudo-history","replies":["c-Drmies-20241210210500-Goshua55-20241210210200"]}}-->
I don't think your writing sucks, and I've already responded to your talk page note, where I said you need to take smaller steps. I think you should start by indicating, briefly, which sources you do think are authoritative, rather than going the other way around, with this mythology based on poor sources. Poor sources need to be removed, and I just did that for three or four of them, and content needs to be written based on good sources--but that can be done one step at a time. Please continue this on the talk page. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210210500","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241210210500-Goshua55-20241210210200","replies":[]}}-->
Goshua55 started a DRN thread over this, so as per procedure,
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I am unsure why you took away legitimate references that detail the history of the interpretation of the two witnesses. These are not "silly" but scholarly published works. Malachirobertson (talk) 15:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212150300","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241212150300-Two_Witnesses_article","replies":["c-Drmies-20241212231500-Malachirobertson-20241212150300"]}}-->
Huh. "Silly" was for this edit--please look carefully. I explained why I removed your addition of apparently random titles to the "References" in my edit summaries. I just did that again, and I explained it on your talk page. And no, a master's thesis is not a "scholarly published work", not even my own thesis, although it is a fine piece of work. Drmies (talk) 23:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212231500","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241212231500-Malachirobertson-20241212150300","replies":["c-Malachirobertson-20241212235400-Drmies-20241212231500"]}}-->
I am sorry but I do not know how to locate the edit summaries. As for the titles, these are not random titles. They all deal in varying levels of detail with the history of the two witnesses. Yes, dissertations and thesis are not published, but they are nevertheless scholarly in that they are reviewed by an academic committee. I can understand perhaps leaving out Stanton and Miesel, the BD thesis and Master's thesis, but I would definitely include the dissertations by Min, O'Brien, and Tan. Tan's dissertation was published as a series of articles, but it is tedious to refer to four different articles rather than one dissertation. Malachirobertson (talk) 23:54, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212235400","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241212235400-Drmies-20241212231500","replies":["c-Drmies-20241213000100-Malachirobertson-20241212235400"]}}-->
I don't understand. When you make an edit you can leave an edit summary: look down when you're typing. You can see these summaries by clicking on "History" on any page in Wikipedia. I'm sure to you these titles are not random, but as long as they are not actually cited in the text they are random in regard to the article, because they are not used. Write text that uses those sources, add the sources as you're adding the text, and if you are using a thesis or whatever and you think it's worth citing anyway, you can make that case on the talk page. As for Tan--sure that may be tedious, but the fact is that it looks better to cite four peer-reviewed academic articles than one dissertation. Plus, knowing the industry, I am sure that those chapters were revised before they were accepted for publication in a journal.So, again, write text using those titles and then add the titles, okay? I saw you posted on the talk page, and have been posting there, but this is not a high-traffic article and the only editor I know who was active, User:Ian.thomson, seems to have retired. So just go for it. Drmies (talk) 00:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213000100","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-20241213000100-Malachirobertson-20241212235400","replies":[]}}-->
I apologize for not explaining well some of the edits that I made. The past page on the two witnesses was biased towards dispensationalism as the discussions noted. My edits were also fielded in the talk page many months ago, without any responses. My area of study is the two witnesses, and I was trying to create a page that was more neutral to various views and include some of the history of interpretation and resources for individuals to do further research on their own. The old page did not allow for that. Malachirobertson (talk) 23:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212235800","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241212235800-Unconstructive_Edits","replies":["c-Drmies-20241213000100-Malachirobertson-20241212235800"]}}-->
See my comment above--it's all good, but keep in mind that this project is collaborative, and communication (starting with edit summaries) is really a must. Maybe a good thing to do is to drop a note on the talk page of a relevant WikiProject, like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard. Drmies (talk) 00:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213000100","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241213000100-Malachirobertson-20241212235800","replies":["c-Malachirobertson-20241213000600-Drmies-20241213000100"]}}-->
Sorry, I will try to create better edit summaries in the future. And I see now about the reference list. Malachirobertson (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213000600","author":"Malachirobertson","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Malachirobertson-20241213000600-Drmies-20241213000100","replies":[]}}-->
Hey! Bit of a fishing expedition, but: last month you filed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Neo the Enlightened One and CU-blocked Further Than Beyond. What do you make of the new(ish) user Apprentix? Similar editing style and interest area. (Also now involved in a brewing edit war at Sabean colonization of Africa, but that's just by-the-by.) If you don't think there's anything to it, that's fine, just thought I'd run it by you rather than rushing to reopen the SPI. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241214094400","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241214094400-Sock?","replies":["c-Drmies-20241215015900-DoubleGrazing-20241214094400"]}}-->
Thanks--a colleague already took care of it, and I closed that AfD. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241215015900","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241215015900-DoubleGrazing-20241214094400","replies":[]}}-->
The anon is rather knowledgeable about Wiki policy and such. Two edits on 17 Dec 2024 On M. O. Mathai(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) The content seems to have been there a while. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 10:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217103500","author":"Adakiko","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adakiko-20241217103500-Whitewashing?","replies":["c-Drmies-20241217140100-Adakiko-20241217103500"]}}-->
Well, good for them, I suppose--but there isn't much to do about it. If you disagree with the edit, revert them, with a good reason. If you suspect this is a sock, or someone editing without logging in, you'll have to find the other suspected accounts or IPs. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217140100","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241217140100-Adakiko-20241217103500","replies":[]}}-->
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217150500","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-20241217150500-Io_Saturnalia!","replies":["c-Drmies-20241217160600-Ealdgyth-20241217150500"]}}-->
Haha Ealdgyth, thank you--productive, maybe. Same to you! Drmies (talk) 16:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217160600","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241217160600-Ealdgyth-20241217150500","replies":[]}}-->
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217173600","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-20241217173600-Season's_Greetings","replies":[]}}-->
I wasn't sure what to tag this as Wikipedia:Founder (user level). Can you or any talk page stalkers advise? Thank you, Knitsey (talk) 22:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217220600","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241217220600-Help_needed_please!","replies":["c-Knitsey-20241217221500-Knitsey-20241217220600"]}}-->
Ahh, someone has caught it. Sorry to bother you. Knitsey (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217221500","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241217221500-Knitsey-20241217220600","replies":["c-Drmies-20241218042700-Knitsey-20241217221500"]}}-->
No bother--but I was MIA all day, doing Very Exciting Things. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 04:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218042700","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-20241218042700-Knitsey-20241217221500","replies":["c-Knitsey-20241219171500-Drmies-20241218042700"]}}-->
Very Exciting Things hmmm. Knitsey (talk) 17:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219171500","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241219171500-Drmies-20241218042700","replies":["c-Drmies-20241219172200-Knitsey-20241219171500"]}}-->
One of those Things was trying to call the man who runs the Sons of Confederate Veterans. ;) Drmies (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219172200","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-20241219172200-Knitsey-20241219171500","replies":["c-Knitsey-20241219173700-Drmies-20241219172200"]}}-->
Is that a group you're part of? Or am I seriously missing a point here? It's een a long day for me. Knitsey (talk) 17:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219173700","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241219173700-Drmies-20241219172200","replies":["c-Drmies-20241219174700-Knitsey-20241219173700"]}}-->
Haha no. NO! I'm tracing a minor point related to a minor figure, so minor that he doesn't even (yet) have an article here. I'm just struck by the irony that someone like me would try to get in touch with someone like them. If he ever answers I'll have to play it straight, in all kinds of ways. Like a very neutral Wikipedia editor, haha. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219174700","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Drmies-20241219174700-Knitsey-20241219173700","replies":["c-Knitsey-20241219175400-Drmies-20241219174700","c-MjolnirPants-20241219175500-Drmies-20241219174700"]}}-->
Phew. I was trying to think of something constructive to say...came up blank. It sounds interesting though. Knitsey (talk) 17:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219175400","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241219175400-Drmies-20241219174700","replies":[]}}-->
Good luck on that. I find myself with less and less patience for that sort of work as I get older, but I have faith in your ability to see it through. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.17:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219175500","author":"MjolnirPants","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-MjolnirPants-20241219175500-Drmies-20241219174700","replies":["c-Knitsey-20241219180200-MjolnirPants-20241219175500"],"displayName":"\u16d7\u16c1\u16df\u16da\u16be\u16c1\u16b1Pants"}}-->
As a Brit, I find the history of the USA really interesting. It's not something we are generally taught in school in the UK. Over here, we usually just tut and roll our eyes at the very mention of civil war then have a cuppa and a sarnie. Knitsey (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219180200","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241219180200-MjolnirPants-20241219175500","replies":["c-MjolnirPants-20241219180700-Knitsey-20241219180200","c-Drmies-20241219181000-Knitsey-20241219180200"]}}-->
Honestly, I don't fault the UK education for not teaching about it, but the fact that there are still adults over here thinking that some nebulous concept of "states rights" was the root cause of it really rankles anyone with a decent knowledge of our own history. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.18:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219180700","author":"MjolnirPants","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-MjolnirPants-20241219180700-Knitsey-20241219180200","replies":[],"displayName":"\u16d7\u16c1\u16df\u16da\u16be\u16c1\u16b1Pants"}}-->
User:Knitsey, this is still ongoing, for some. The SCV webpage runs a charming little video on how history should not be erased and etcetera, when of course their whitewashing the Civil War (starting with calling it War Between the States) is an ongoing project. These organizations (Daughters of the Confederacy is another one) have a number of goals, one of which is to influence education toward accepting the Lost Cause. One of the outcomes of the horrific murder of George Floyd has been the re-evaluation of all these memorials dedicated to Confederate heroes and their cause; the guy I'm looking into played a small part in that, at least here in Montgomery. What I'm hoping to find on the other end of the line is someone who actually cares about history and knows the history of the organization they're running and the documentation of that history. It's a big ask. (User:MjolnirPants, nice to see you again--I hope you're well. And yes, "nebulous" is appropriate--thanks.) Drmies (talk) 18:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219181000","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Drmies-20241219181000-Knitsey-20241219180200","replies":["c-Knitsey-20241219182300-Drmies-20241219181000"]}}-->
@MjolnirPants@Drmies I've heard about the Lost Cause before. Back in the day, near the start of Facebook I used to 'bump into' proponents of the cause on some of the anti-fascist pages.
The removal of monuments (especially to slave owners) gained momentum over here of course. Knitsey (talk) 18:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219182300","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241219182300-Drmies-20241219181000","replies":["c-Glane23-20241219185700-Knitsey-20241219182300"]}}-->
Maybe the way Brits and EU citizens could comprehend the Lost Cause would be relating it to the post WW1 stab in the back story spread by the nascent Nazi party in the 1920s & 1930s. Perhaps the Lost Cause is yet another lesson those early Nazis learned from the US, along with applied eugenics and Jim Crow. Geoff | Who, me?18:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219185700","author":"Glane23","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Glane23-20241219185700-Knitsey-20241219182300","replies":["c-Knitsey-20241219202300-Glane23-20241219185700"],"displayName":"Geoff"}}-->
It's all revisionism in some form
I must admit, I find the Jim Crow era really fascinating (probably not the right word, but you get the gist). Knitsey (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219202300","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241219202300-Glane23-20241219185700","replies":["c-Drmies-20241220013500-Knitsey-20241219202300"]}}-->
I wrote up so many lynching articles I got sick of it for a while. The cross in the frontyard of Juliette Hampton Morgan? We just walked past it with the dogs: it's the street behind our house. Unfortunately it's now owned by some douche who's renting it out as an AirBnB, so my proposal for a historic marker in the frontyard went nowhere. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220013500","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Drmies-20241220013500-Knitsey-20241219202300","replies":["c-MjolnirPants-20241220131800-Drmies-20241220013500"]}}-->
That's honestly a shame. I'm of the opinion that the stains of the past should be preserved, lest we forget how readily the fabric of society absorbs fresh blood. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.13:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220131800","author":"MjolnirPants","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-MjolnirPants-20241220131800-Drmies-20241220013500","replies":["c-Drmies-20241220144500-MjolnirPants-20241220131800"],"displayName":"\u16d7\u16c1\u16df\u16da\u16be\u16c1\u16b1Pants"}}-->
Exactly. It's very sad. Drmies (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220144500","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-Drmies-20241220144500-MjolnirPants-20241220131800","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello,
I spoke to you recently regarding a reversion I made following an edit by this user. User:लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक Checking their list of contributions, I find many similar entries where swathes of information were removed from various articles under similar reasons. Checking these edits, I find the removed content often doesn't seem to violate the given reasons. I am at a loss as to whether these edits are in good faith or not. It at least appears they realise the damaging effect of griefing, having written an extensive paragraph another user's talk page. UntrustWasTaken (talk) 13:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218135200","author":"UntrustWasTaken","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UntrustWasTaken-20241218135200-Help_determining_if_a_user_is_a_troll.","replies":["c-Drmies-20241218160500-UntrustWasTaken-20241218135200"]}}-->
Sorry but I don't follow. That paragraph is a standard COI warning, and judging from edits like this one it was a proper warning. Drmies (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218160500","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241218160500-UntrustWasTaken-20241218135200","replies":["c-UntrustWasTaken-20241218165100-Drmies-20241218160500"]}}-->
Interesting. This addition seems to be an outlier. UntrustWasTaken (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218165100","author":"UntrustWasTaken","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-UntrustWasTaken-20241218165100-Drmies-20241218160500","replies":[]}}-->
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1911 Australian penny
Here's a donation for dealing with that one IP. Thank you for your work. Tarlby(t) (c)18:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219180700","author":"Tarlby","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tarlby-20241219180700-A_1911_Australian_penny_for_you!","replies":["c-Drmies-20241219181100-Tarlby-20241219180700"]}}-->
Oh, wow--we only get $5 for blocks, and probably a fraction of that for a partial block, so this is very welcome. No, thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219181100","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241219181100-Tarlby-20241219180700","replies":["c-Tarlby-20241219181300-Drmies-20241219181100"]}}-->
Haha, cheers. Tarlby(t) (c)18:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219181300","author":"Tarlby","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tarlby-20241219181300-Drmies-20241219181100","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi Drmies, this post is about the IPv6 range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:0:0:0:0/64 that you partially blocked for 1 week from editing AN/I. A little less than an hour later, User:Cullen328 actually site-blocked the singular IP in that range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:6463:27AE:4C80:E87B for a couple of days with no talk page access. Since then, like happens with many IPv6 connections, the user's IP address switched over to 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:9541:B21:E7F0:1D7F very shortly after, which allowed them to continue posting on that previous IP's talk page in spite of the previous IP's block with no talk page access. Given that this is technically block evasion, I'm thinking maybe the /64 rangeblock should be updated to a full one?
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Yeah, I left a note for Cullen cause I had to run, but I'll go ahead and stop that yapping. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220014300","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-20241220014300-AP_499D25-20241220014200","replies":["c-Cullen328-20241220021200-Drmies-20241220014300"]}}-->
Yeah, sorry Drmies, my wife and I had to pick up some prescriptions (we're 72), go to the hardware store as part of our ongoing battle against the rats, and stop at Target. We just got home. Cullen328 (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220021200","author":"Cullen328","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cullen328-20241220021200-Drmies-20241220014300","replies":["c-Drmies-20241220021300-Cullen328-20241220021200","c-Cullen328-20241220023400-Cullen328-20241220021200"]}}-->
I took care of it. Rats? Brrrr. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220021300","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-20241220021300-Cullen328-20241220021200","replies":[]}}-->
Yeah they are creepy and filthy and befoul any accessible food, but that's the least of it. They have twice chewed partly through pex fresh water lines in the crawl space under our house, which soaked a lot of insulation too. Very expensive chaos. Second incident discovered today. It's an ongoing debacle and I have a grudge against all rodents at this point. Cullen328 (talk) 02:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220023400","author":"Cullen328","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cullen328-20241220023400-Cullen328-20241220021200","replies":[]}}-->
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