Hello Drmies,

Thank you for your helpful comments and links, and we will work on improving the page. All best, Pixelwriter (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T16:09:00.000Z","author":"Pixelwriter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pixelwriter-2010-10-24T16:09:00.000Z-biography","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Drmies,

the changes from User:Ws227 on the interwiki part on the Article Tea house is not meant to be vandalism. Her change is unfortunate, but with reason. She asked me to explain for her and to search for a solution.

The word Tea house has in Chinese and in Japanese two different meanings. One is a small house in a private garden, this is named in Chinese a zh:茶寮 and in Japanese a ja:茶室. The other is a public venue, a sort of bar where people meet and drink tea. This is named in Chinese a zh:茶馆 and in Japanese ja:茶屋. As you can see, the two things are quite different. Ws227 tried to make a more precise difference in interwiki links. But as I examined the articles from the western language articles, most of them mean both, or describe both. So a interwiki link is difficult.

Now we had found a solution. There is an article in Chinese zh:茶室, which is a Chinese word used for both. So she will now link Tea house and all western languages to this disambig article on Chinese, while for Chinese and Japanese there would be two different, more granualed articles and interwikis between these two sets of articles. Unfortunately there is no disambig articles in Japanese for the private tea house and public tea house, so she will link both articles to the english Tea house.

Ws227 is a long year Chinese admin and she is a very trustworthy Wikipedian.

Sorry for the confusion.--Wing (talk) 16:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-27T16:50:00.000Z","author":"Wing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wing-2010-08-27T16:50:00.000Z-Tea_house_interwiki","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-27T17:05:00.000Z-Wing-2010-08-27T16:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hello Wing, thanks for your note. I was wondering about their edits--and they made two edits that removed interwiki links (which I reverted) and many where they didn't (I looked at a whole bunch of them, just so you know--I didn't just pull the trigger with Twinkle). I reverted this edit not because of the change in the Chinese link, but because of the removal of the other links (also in Queen regnant, where two apparently OK links were removed). Now, at Tea house, they had been warned twice before, and since there was no edit summary and no explanation on their or anyone else's talk page, I could only assume vandalism of some kind--but note my edit summary at Queen regnant.

  Anyway, thanks for explaining. Whatever you propose for the Chinese and Japanese links is fine with me, but an explanation would be handy. Also, any removal of other wikilinks (and again, I did not see how those were justified) would certainly have to be explained. Does that help? Also, I'll remove my warning, but I will place a "please use edit summary" template there; I hope that's OK with you. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 17:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-27T17:05:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-27T17:05:00.000Z-Wing-2010-08-27T16:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wing-2010-08-30T10:44:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-08-27T17:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

  • Hello Drmies, yes I think I should explain this a little. As I said what Ws227 did is not quite right. She tried to devide the two different types of tea houses. Since she don't know every language she tried to orient with images in the articles. So if she see that a language version has images of the private tea houses she linked in to the private type of tea house in Chinese Wikipedia and if she see images in a language version for a venue she linked it to the venue. But in most cases the this is not correct. I explained that to her.--Wing (talk) 10:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T10:44:00.000Z","author":"Wing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wing-2010-08-30T10:44:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-08-27T17:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies... yes, I'd noticed a peculiar pattern of editing from several IPs that turned out to be the same person. I'm not sure exactly what he's trying to achieve, but I thought it worthwhile to keep an eye on it given the intermittent disruptive editing. Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-27T19:04:00.000Z","author":"Catfish Jim and the soapdish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Catfish_Jim_and_the_soapdish-2010-08-27T19:04:00.000Z-German_socks","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-27T19:15:00.000Z-Catfish_Jim_and_the_soapdish-2010-08-27T19:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hey Jim, please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:76.65.240.91_reported_by_User:Drmies_.28Result:_.29. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-27T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-27T19:15:00.000Z-Catfish_Jim_and_the_soapdish-2010-08-27T19:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. You have a new message at Lionelt's talk page.

Would if be canvasing iff I just asked them to take a look at the page without giving an opinion?Flash Bang Man (talk) 22:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-27T22:06:00.000Z","author":"Flash Bang Man","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flash_Bang_Man-2010-08-27T22:06:00.000Z-German_socks","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-28T13:25:00.000Z-Flash_Bang_Man-2010-08-27T22:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Look at the policy, Flash--it says something to the effect that you may notify involved editors, but a. you can't pick those selectively (so you should have sent Lionelt a message too, for instance) and b. you can't suggest what you want them to do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T13:25:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-28T13:25:00.000Z-Flash_Bang_Man-2010-08-27T22:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Pending the AfD discussion, I've made a WP:DYK nomination for MV Mariam. As a contributor to the article, I've listed you as an author on the nomination. I'm not 100% sure of the etiquette here, but if you would prefer not be be on the nomination, please feel free to remove yourself, or leave a message on my talk page and I would be happy to do so. Haus^Talk 12:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z","author":"Haus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Haus-2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z-MV_Mariam","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-28T13:25:00.000Z-Haus-2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z","c-AMuseo-2010-08-30T22:00:00.000Z-Haus-2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-08-31T02:27:00.000Z-Haus-2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I appreciate that--I'd love to be on that DYK. Thanks for your efforts! Drmies (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T13:25:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-28T13:25:00.000Z-Haus-2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I hope that you will help me edit a similar article on the ship Avrazya. It could also be a DKY.AMuseo (talk) 22:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T22:00:00.000Z","author":"AMuseo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AMuseo-2010-08-30T22:00:00.000Z-Haus-2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• I looked at it, and added one thing--but that's really about the hijacking, not about the ship. BTW, it may well be that you get more results when you use the S, but the name (with an S) means "Eurasia," so you get a lot of false positives as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T02:27:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-31T02:27:00.000Z-Haus-2010-08-28T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies,

I do apolojize for messing up the article last night, thank you for correcting that. My question is what is a "notable" album? I am confused about that as not every album on wiki are RIAA (major label) or even made the charts as there are Japanese Game Music albums that are not on any charts but are listed.

I do have some ref as I told you to add to some of the Tube Bar Albums but as you said that doesn't make them notable, but I am unable to understand what does make it notable based on all the albums I have seen on here. Please explain.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyros1972 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T15:02:00.000Z","author":"Tyros1972","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tyros1972-2010-08-28T15:02:00.000Z-Tube_Bar_&_Notable_Albums","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-28T15:15:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-28T15:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Tyros, the issue is this. The policy (which I gave you the link to, WP:NALBUMS) does not require that an album has to chart to be notable, but if it charts, it probably is. An album can be notable in other wasy--by having secondary sources that attest to its notability. Typically, for an album these would be reviews in reliable sources. As far as I have been able to verify (and I think I did my homework), none of the Tube Bar albums have been reviewed or otherwise written about. Now, many articles for albums on Wikipedia do not have evidence of notability included, and a lot of those are possible candidates for deletion (or, as I've been doing, merging and redirecting, see WP:MERGE). If an article is merged, it can be easily recreated (as you did a few times) and references added. But that those articles exist (sadly), is not a reason for others to continue to exist--Wikipedia:Other stuff exists.

  Evidence of a release date, for instance, is not evidence of notability: lots of things that exist, and that we can prove exist (such as the Braun electric toothbrush simply aren't notable (by WP's standards, WP:N). That, in the end, is the problem with these articles. The Bum Bar data can be used to establish when they were released, but they themselves are not independent from their release and thus cannot establish notability. For that, independent sources are necessary, and until those are found, WP guidelines speak against such individual articles.

  Apologies, also on behalf of IP 69 (I imagine), if we sounded a bit harsh, but the "owner" of the Tube Bar prank calls article seems to have a conflict of interest with the subject and has been less than cooperative. Thanks for your note, I appreciate the communication. Take it easy, and please drop me a line if you think I can help--but I'm afraid that these albums are a lost cause...

  PS Yes, this means that you have every right to merge and redirect albums that aren't notable by our standards, or to nominate them for deletion, and let me add that especially albums on Wikipedia suffer from overexposure, so to speak--I wouldn't be surprised if less than half of them are actually notable. But some are: see Live! Go for What You Know, for instance. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T15:15:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-28T15:15:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-28T15:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you very kindly for the explantion Drmies. Aside from some blogs such as (http://thesplattingnun.blogspot.com/) I am in agreement with you on this. I have not been able to find any reliable sources concerning these albums. Again thank you for the explantion and not much else I can do about it either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyros1972 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T19:38:00.000Z","author":"Tyros1972","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tyros1972-2010-08-28T19:38:00.000Z-Tube_Bar_&_Notable_Albums","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-28T19:56:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-28T19:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Tyros, thanks for your note. You put your finger on the sore spot with those albums--tons of 'em need work. Many of them might be notable enough, though, and sometimes you come across fun things, like I did with that Pat Travers album. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T19:56:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-28T19:56:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-28T19:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey Hi Drmies, I found listings for some of the albums at BillBoard (http://www.billboard.com/album/various-artists/tube-bar-red-s-bootleg-tape-remastered/1123323#/album/bum-bar-bastards/tube-bar/494843) can these be used as notable ref?

Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyros1972 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T17:52:00.000Z","author":"Tyros1972","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tyros1972-2010-08-29T17:52:00.000Z-Tube_Bar_&_Notable_Albums","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-29T18:17:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-29T17:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

• That link was dead, but it seems the same as this one. It seems to me that the link proves that the records exist, but there is no discussion of any kind--so unless your link showed something more informative, I don't think this would help, no. But don't take my word for it--present your query, if you like, for a second opinion. User:Kww is very active in the music stuff, as are User:Cannibaloki and User:Hekerui. You could also post a message here, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums--those talk pages for Projects aren't always very visible, but this one seems to have a decent amount of traffic. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 18:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T18:17:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-29T18:17:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-29T17:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks Drmies. Well that link was just for the TUBE BAR album and it had an "AMG Review" but the rest have no reviews so probably won't do much but I'll ask just to see. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyros1972 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Tyros1972","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tyros1972-2010-08-29T18:32:00.000Z-Tube_Bar_&_Notable_Albums","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-30T22:46:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-29T18:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sure thing Tyros. Listen, if you browse around, you will come across funny and interesting things. A while ago I did another one, which turned out to be interesting--Love Devotion Surrender. Have fun! Drmies (talk) 22:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T22:46:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-30T22:46:00.000Z-Tyros1972-2010-08-29T18:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Heh that is interesting, didn't know Santana had anything to do with that one...I never even heard of it until now :) Sure I'll browse around and look for those interesting ones :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyros1972 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Tyros1972","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tyros1972-2010-08-31T18:04:00.000Z-Tube_Bar_&_Notable_Albums","replies":[]}}-->

In your edit/undo of the revisions to the Mudflap Girl entry, you say that new information should be entered in the correct form. I am not nearly as familiar with the edit forms or formatting for wikipedia as you are. The trademark ownership for an image is clearly relevant information to an image. I would say that the legal ownership of a particular image is one of the most important facts to that image's public use or knowlege- which is why I put the information at the top of the article. If you have another suggestion or a more knowlegeable way to format this information, please let me know. Thank you Thomas Hugh (talk) 19:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-28T19:27:00.000Z","author":"Thomas Hugh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thomas_Hugh-2010-08-28T19:27:00.000Z-Mudflap_Girl","replies":[]}}-->

I loved your comment in the AfD, although in my opinion she barely falls short of the requirements of WP:HOTTIE. See Ellen Page. :-) -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 00:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T00:57:00.000Z","author":"Blanchardb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blanchardb-2010-08-29T00:57:00.000Z-Roni_Lynn_Deutch","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-29T01:24:00.000Z-Blanchardb-2010-08-29T00:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Me"}}-->

• Oh, my. Whoa. Thanks for the comment and the reference! Still, I gotta stick with Roni, for a couple of reasons--she's more my age group, and I'm more likely to run into her (for tax reasons, of course) than I am to hook up with a Canadian beauty. She's probably more Spaceman Spiff's type...

  PS, Nice of you to withdraw the AfD, and I gladly agree that the article itself didn't hold much promise. Drmies (talk) 01:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T01:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-29T01:24:00.000Z-Blanchardb-2010-08-29T00:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

My source is the 1st source in the I have a dream page, how is that a primary source? Hansen, D, D. (2003). The Dream: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Speech that Inspired a Nation. New York, NY: Harper Collins. p. 108.

Any article on Archibald Carey which does not include some part of his speech is just inaccurate and not a contribution to Wiki. I am not posting his entire speech, just an exerpt. I am not accusing anyone of plagiarism, just stating some have said it. For balance, I will add the statement that others have found the similarity minor and reference the King page. Does that satisfy your issues?24.23.89.145 (talk) 01:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T01:31:00.000Z","author":"24.23.89.145","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.23.89.145-2010-08-29T01:31:00.000Z-Archibald_Carey,_Jr.","replies":[]}}-->

Our policy: Primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source.

• The problem is that you're citing a primary text, where you should be citing a secondary source about a primary text--that's the gist of WP:SECONDARY. And that's also why citing the primary text by itself is not a good idea. Drmies (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T01:45:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-29T01:45:00.000Z-Archibald_Carey,_Jr.","replies":[]}}-->

A Malik Shabazz reverted your move of my post to the I have a dream page. I started a discussion, as is proper, for my revert.

I do not see how I violating any law or spirit of the law. I am listing primary material and making a simple " straightforward, descriptive statements that any educated person, with access to the source but without specialist knowledge, will be able to verify are supported by the source" Some view it as plagiarism. I will add the other link to balance this simple statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.89.145 (talk) 01:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T01:56:00.000Z","author":"24.23.89.145","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.23.89.145-2010-08-29T01:56:00.000Z-Archibald_Carey,_Jr.","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-29T02:17:00.000Z-24.23.89.145-2010-08-29T01:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

• After all these messages, your addition still starts with "Here is exerpy from the end of his speech"--which has a typo and a grammatical error, and is very unencyclopedic in tone ("here is" is the introduction to the entire issue). It continues by saying "which some have claimed was plagiarized", weasel words which might be found in the source you give, but that reference is a mile away, both rhetorically and literally, from the weaselish statement. There are many problems here, and one of them is the very term "plagiarism," which is addressed by Keith Miller, who is referenced in Martin Luther King, Jr. authorship issues. Besides, though I'm sure Miller discusses this too, both speeches come out of a long and particular tradition of black oratory, which is permeated with quotations from the Old and the New Testament. Your quotation from a primary text simply negates these many complicating factors, and in fact invites readers to simply look for plagiarism and "make up their own mind"--in the absence of any kind of context for "plagiarism" and orality. But again, I'm staying away from that article; someone with better judgment than mine will come along at some point and expand on Carey's article, and this matter will be part of it. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T02:17:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-29T02:17:00.000Z-24.23.89.145-2010-08-29T01:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! Your submission of Henriette d'Angeville at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! — Rlevse • Talk • 01:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T01:36:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-08-29T01:36:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_Henriette_d'Angeville","replies":[]}}-->

It looks like Birkensnake was deleted in violation of Wikipedia:SPA. Specifically, the close out violated this:

"The SPA tag may be used to visually highlight that a participant in a multi-user discussion has made few or no other types of contribution. However a user who edits appropriately and makes good points that align with Wikipedia's communal norms, policies and guidelines should have their comment given full weight regardless of any tag."

The second sentence of the close out was this: "I have discared every spa vote."

Additionally, the statement in the close out that "The policy based consensus from experienced editors is that this is not properly sourced so the counsensus is clear" is also not true. The vote was 4-4 (keep-delete) when SPA's are eliminated. The result should have been "no consensus."

If Birkensnake is something important to you, I think it could be more notable after Birkensnake 3 is published. Maybe then you and Flash could find that "one more reliable source" that would win over the crowd. Best of luck with all your edits. HeartSWild (talk) 18:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T18:27:00.000Z","author":"HeartSWild","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HeartSWild-2010-08-29T18:27:00.000Z-Birkensnake","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-29T20:49:00.000Z-HeartSWild-2010-08-29T18:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks for your message. Personally, I am disgusted by the number of SPAs in that AfD, and I really wonder where they came from. I myself am not convinced by, for instance, Lionelt's arguments, but AfD is like that--you win some, you lose some, and reasonable people can disagree, and obviously the closer disagreed (I haven't yet looked at it). I wish that the closer had valued my arguments more than anyone else's, but that's only human, I reckon. If you disagree, you are free to seek to overturn the decision; obviously, you are so well aware of policy that I don't need to tell you where to find that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-29T20:49:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-29T20:49:00.000Z-HeartSWild-2010-08-29T18:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

in BigTimePeace's statement at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment. (It's not really about you, but as evidence to support that FSN may in fact be CoM.) Just FYI... LadyofShalott 02:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T02:15:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-08-30T02:15:00.000Z-You've_been_mentioned...","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-30T02:17:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-08-30T02:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

• Aiaiai I had hoped to stay out of that. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T02:17:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-30T02:17:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-08-30T02:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2010-08-30T02:18:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-08-30T02:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, I just thought you should know. I've been refraining from comment myself, just watching. LadyofShalott 02:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T02:18:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-08-30T02:18:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-08-30T02:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-30T02:35:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-08-30T02:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

Thanks. The Johnnycakes...they are tasty, though--the girls like 'em too. I think I invited CoM over for some Southern food many years ago, but he never took me up on it. Maybe all that love of bacon was fake too? Drmies (talk) 02:35, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T02:35:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-30T02:35:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-08-30T02:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Be careful not to violate 3RR on Monsignor Scanlan High School. Stifle (talk) 08:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T08:51:00.000Z","author":"Stifle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stifle-2010-08-30T08:51:00.000Z-3RR","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-30T15:02:00.000Z-Stifle-2010-08-30T08:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks Stifle. Drmies (talk) 15:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-30T15:02:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-30T15:02:00.000Z-Stifle-2010-08-30T08:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

   My sole intention in changing the image was to clarify the template (so that it would be immediately apparent to readers that the entity being referred to was Cray). I did not realise that my edit would make the Cray template look like an advertisement. As advised, I shall be careful in future not to make edits which may appear to be advertising, and refrain from editing templates until I am much better acquainted with the consensus regarding what can be construed as advertising. Thank you. Rocketshiporion 06:31, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T06:31:00.000Z","author":"Rocketshiporion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rocketshiporion-2010-08-31T06:31:00.000Z-Cray_Template_Revision","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-31T15:50:00.000Z-Rocketshiporion-2010-08-31T06:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks, and sorry if I sounded a bit harsh. I saw that the template actually had an image in it already, and to your credit, yours was much prettier. But I looked around at other templates and found none with an image, hence my note. Take care, and thanks for your note and your edits, Drmies (talk) 15:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T15:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-31T15:50:00.000Z-Rocketshiporion-2010-08-31T06:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 31 August 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henriette d'Angeville, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-08-31T18:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Henriette_d'Angeville","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I think you have a misunderstanding of the Ku Klux Klan. They were started to terrorize blacks, Republicans and abolitionists who won the Civil War and opposed slavery. Modern Klan members are all over the political spectrum, but most of them are left wingers, polls even found that the majority of Klan leaders supported Obama for his more collectivist policy stances during the 2008 elections.

Sorry you were unaware of that, but you should not be enabling those who wish to rewrite history for the sake of political activism. Thank you for your concern, I will correct the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.27.13 (talk) 02:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T02:10:00.000Z","author":"24.243.27.13","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.243.27.13-2010-08-31T02:10:00.000Z-Right_Wing_Extremism","replies":["c-The_Four_Deuces-2010-08-31T16:35:00.000Z-24.243.27.13-2010-08-31T02:10:00.000Z","c-Millahnna-2010-08-31T16:45:00.000Z-24.243.27.13-2010-08-31T02:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

IP, you should read the article before editing it. The Klan mentioned was the Second Klan, active in the 1920s. It was not founded by "pro-slavery democrats" and Byrd was too young to be a member. In fact the Klan operated largely within the Republican Party and supported their presidential candidates. TFD (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T16:35:00.000Z","author":"The Four Deuces","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-The_Four_Deuces-2010-08-31T16:35:00.000Z-24.243.27.13-2010-08-31T02:10:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"TFD"}}-->

(talk page stalker) The whole "KKK supported Obama" thing is from an article published on a satire site called The Daily Squib. It's not true. Millahnna (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T16:45:00.000Z","author":"Millahnna","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Millahnna-2010-08-31T16:45:00.000Z-24.243.27.13-2010-08-31T02:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-31T19:16:00.000Z-Millahnna-2010-08-31T16:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

I can't believe the bullshit that people still believe. I had a student a long, long time ago, and I think he had both "Nathan" and "Forrest" in his name, who told me honestly that the KKK was founded to protect white women. Hey IP, why would the KKK support a foreign-born Muslim Marxist? Drmies (talk) 19:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T19:16:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-31T19:16:00.000Z-Millahnna-2010-08-31T16:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Millahnna-2010-08-31T19:29:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-08-31T19:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good grief. I can't decide whether to headdesk or facepalm that one. If I tried both at once, I wonder if I'd hurt myself? Millahnna (talk) 19:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T19:29:00.000Z","author":"Millahnna","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Millahnna-2010-08-31T19:29:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-08-31T19:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-08-31T19:40:00.000Z-Millahnna-2010-08-31T19:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Whoa, Millahna--my grammar students had a hard time today with figuring out the past tense of "garbage bowl," when Rachael Ray makes that perfectly clear. And now I have to tell them that "headdesk" is a verb too? But please don't hurt yourself; Wikilife is already painful enough sometimes. Drmies (talk) 19:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T19:40:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-08-31T19:40:00.000Z-Millahnna-2010-08-31T19:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Nope, don't see what you're refering to at the foot of the link - sorry! Lugnuts (talk) 19:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Lugnuts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lugnuts-2010-08-31T19:15:00.000Z-re:_Vrijdag","replies":["c-Lugnuts-2010-08-31T19:20:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2010-08-31T19:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah, I see it now! Sorry, I was looking at the very foot of the link. Lugnuts (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-31T19:20:00.000Z","author":"Lugnuts","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Lugnuts-2010-08-31T19:20:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2010-08-31T19:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Drmies, Thank you very much for the note "this article may contain wording that merely promotes the subject without imparting verifiable information" on the "Kingsley Ng" Wikipedia page.

I am a new contributor to the Wiki project, and would like to see how else I can improve on the referred article. Is there a particular paragraph, or a particular word in which you would suggest to delete or modify? I have tried to remove words like "notable"

Best Regards, iwc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imagesforwikicommons (talk • contribs) 06:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-01T06:26:00.000Z","author":"Imagesforwikicommons","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Imagesforwikicommons-2010-09-01T06:26:00.000Z-improving_wiki_article_-_Kingsley_Ng","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-01T12:11:00.000Z-Imagesforwikicommons-2010-09-01T06:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Images, thanks for your note. I think it's a more general thing in that article, not necessary individual phrases. Many of the projects are accompanied by lengthy description including descriptions by the artist of the work and its influences. One of the issues that strikes me is the number of quotations from and references to texts that are not secondary, reliable sources per WP:RS, including the artist's website and those of the organizations involved. Couple that with the long, long list of works and group exhibitions (unverified by secondary sources) and the list of awards (ditto) and you have something that looks like an artist's resume more than an encyclopedic article. I've written (brief) articles on artists (see Alois Plum, and only include "notable" works, that is, works written about in secondary sources. You have to remember that WP:V is the cornerstone of the project, and that in many cases (except for basic facts maybe like birth or high school education) an artist's website cannot count as a reliable source. Thanks, and good luck, Drmies (talk) 12:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-01T12:11:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-01T12:11:00.000Z-Imagesforwikicommons-2010-09-01T06:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry to bother you again, but I appear to be having some trouble over at Assuck. There's a WP:SPA randomly adding original research and a metric fuckton of pointless images, engaging in personal attacks and refusing to read any policy guidelines. They also refuse to engage on either their talk page, or that of the article. I'm not going to get into an edit war (they've already ignored at least three editors)... suggestions? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-01T18:20:00.000Z","author":"Blackmetalbaz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blackmetalbaz-2010-09-01T18:20:00.000Z-Assuck","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-01T18:22:00.000Z-Blackmetalbaz-2010-09-01T18:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

• You're interrupting my important work for some Assucking? Baz, we have to stop meeting like this...and just after I got done with Lori Douglas! Drmies (talk) 18:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-01T18:22:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-01T18:22:00.000Z-Blackmetalbaz-2010-09-01T18:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

And what about the station's daily program schedule? Is that also supposed to dis-allowed in the article? ---- Theaveng (talk) 04:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-02T04:41:00.000Z","author":"Theaveng","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theaveng-2010-09-02T04:41:00.000Z-WWMX","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-02T04:58:00.000Z-Theaveng-2010-09-02T04:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

• That is my reading of WP:NOTDIR, yes, and I think there is consensus for that. Mind you, I personally don't think I would have asked for a block, but both of you got a little overheated. Homer has retracted his call for a block and admits he jumped the gun; I hope that's the end of it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-02T04:58:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-02T04:58:00.000Z-Theaveng-2010-09-02T04:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Neutralhomer-2010-09-02T05:01:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-02T04:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Unfortunately I have had to renew my call for a block after finding his block log has an agreement for not violating 1RR. I have posted on the ANI thread and will here that I recommend, since everything has subsided that it be let slide, but a strong warning given as well. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-02T05:01:00.000Z","author":"Neutralhomer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Neutralhomer-2010-09-02T05:01:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-02T04:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-02T05:02:00.000Z-Neutralhomer-2010-09-02T05:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • Whoopsee--thanks for the note. No one ever accused you of not doing your homework, I'm sure. Drmies (talk) 05:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-02T05:02:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-02T05:02:00.000Z-Neutralhomer-2010-09-02T05:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Neutralhomer-2010-09-02T05:07:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-02T05:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
      • Couple times :) Oh, how should we deal with this? This is the same information, with essentially a newsblog (DCRTV.com) and Facebook as references, in the same format. I can't revert being at 3RR myself, but he is over 3RR now, this is 4RR. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-02T05:07:00.000Z","author":"Neutralhomer","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Neutralhomer-2010-09-02T05:07:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-02T05:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Want to take a look at Ranj Dhaliwal, an English language writer like yourself; and also Angela Fong, given your genuine interest in women's wrestling, I figured you might be interested in looking at that one too. I'd deleted it as G4 a while back, so it popped up on my watchlist. It's not the same so ineligible for G4, but I don't see much in terms of notability. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 21:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-02T21:09:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-02T21:09:00.000Z-In_the_mood_for_some_Canadians,_eh?","replies":[],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->

Hi Drmies,

The event itself is already very notable. I am buliding the topic and please do not redirect it too soon. Maybe you are not a scout that actively particpate in the international scouting so you might not realise the importance of the topic. Please give me some time to make it. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrant holder (talk • contribs) 04:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-03T04:19:00.000Z","author":"Warrant holder","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Warrant_holder-2010-09-03T04:19:00.000Z-World_Scout_Youth_Forum","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-03T04:27:00.000Z-Warrant_holder-2010-09-03T04:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Warrant holder, "notability" is established by having references to reliable sources that say the event is notable. That it's notable for the organization is probably true, but beside the point: it needs to be notable according to our policy in WP:N. Whether I am an active scout has little bearing on the matter. Generally it is a good idea to write an article first in a sandbox and include those references before you go live, and I'll make you one with your version of the article in it, to edit to your heart's content--then go live. Here it is: User:Warrant holder/sandbox. (I made a few small edits according to our Manual of Style--you'll also need to rewrite some parts for neutral tone and a more general audience.) Good luck, Drmies (talk) 04:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-03T04:27:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-03T04:27:00.000Z-Warrant_holder-2010-09-03T04:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

hello, do not know who i am supposed to contact but i figured you would be someone i could or you would know who to contact. some of the information in the Antarctic Plate article is wrong. the sentence "The Antarctic Plate does not travel in any particular direction like the other continental plates, instead it merely spins in place." is incorrect and contradicts the sentence above it (which is correct), furthermore, the citation given for the incorrect sentence is a diagram of Antarctic air currents, not continental drift. the bottom paragraph is also a fabricated lie (made by the same person). there is no such thing as the "2009 Conference for Plate Tectonics" and this imaginary event did not happen in Helsinki, Finland.

thanks for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.92.246.82 (talk) 02:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-04T02:45:00.000Z","author":"99.92.246.82","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-99.92.246.82-2010-09-04T02:45:00.000Z-Antarctic_Plate","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-04T02:50:00.000Z-99.92.246.82-2010-09-04T02:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I see now which IP you are; please don't forget to sign your name. What you did here, for instance, is simply not productive--you remove content that seems to be sourced at least partially, and replace it with "nope", inside article space. That's always going to be tagged as vandalism. The very first thing you need to consider is explaining yourself in edit summaries. The second thing is, if you can, add text with references to reliable sources that prove your point. Generally, we don't look kindly on unexplained deletion, but an explained replacement, that's an entirely different matter. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-04T02:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-04T02:50:00.000Z-99.92.246.82-2010-09-04T02:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'll look into it, though belatedly... sorry. Been quite busy in the real world. Just last month spent some time filming my scenes in the upcoming Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job, Crimbus Special (watch for me as "Winterman" and be prepared to laugh your socks off) and just a few days ago I had the unique pleasure of working with Johnny Knoxville, Steve-O, Chris Pontius, Jason Acuña (Wee-Man), and Dave England in shooting a promo spot for the upcoming Jackass 3-D film. You may recongnize me in some scenes... but with my hair up on top of my head like a Sumo. I can personally share that the group are exceedingly courteous and professional... and that they save their pranks for each other. Nice guys all. I was specially impressed with Knoxville after speaking with him for a while. So, how was your week? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:56, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-04T07:56:00.000Z","author":"MichaelQSchmidt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-04T07:56:00.000Z-Paul_Butcher,_Jr.","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-04T16:17:00.000Z-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-04T07:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Schmidt,"}}-->

• Hey MQS, thanks for the note. Those are exciting events. You're still in your sandbox? Maybe you get to move out soon. I don't know these programs you are referring to--after all, I am the father of two and if I watch TV, it's princesses or CGI animals. I miss Charlie and Lola; it seems to have disappeared. Besides that, school started and it's been busy like crazy. If these dumb kids wouldn't get up every morning at 5:30 it would be better. But I put a proposal in the mail for a book, so keep your fingers crossed for me.

  Hey, congrats on those real-world things, and have a great weekend! Drmies (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-04T16:17:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-04T16:17:00.000Z-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-04T07:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 5 September 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article MV Mariam, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-05T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-09-05T00:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_MV_Mariam","replies":[]}}-->

The article The Heroic Age (journal) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I am not able to find reliable third-party sources on this topic.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Moorsmur (talk) 04:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-06T04:28:00.000Z","author":"Moorsmur","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moorsmur-2010-09-06T04:28:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_The_Heroic_Age_(journal)","replies":[]}}-->

This is my 20,000th edit. Figured I'd make it on your talk page. Good barbeque over the weekend? —SpacemanSpiff 17:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T17:59:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T17:59:00.000Z-Hey_doc","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:01:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T17:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->

• Wooohooo Spiffster! Thanks--I am honored! Still, I have to say, you're still a bit of a whipper-snapper, haha. No, no BBQ yet, though tonight I'm grilling flank steak for fajitas--Alton Brown style, on the coals. I hope you enjoyed the holiday. All the best, and may edit 20,001 be as friendly as this one was. Drmies (talk) 18:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:01:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:01:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T17:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:01:00.000Z","c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Ha ha, 20001 wasn't fun, just a revert of a misplaced warning on my talk page, let's leave it at that. BTW, there are a couple of articles that could use your eagle eye, I protected them today because I couldn't make head or tail of the daily revert war going on changing the caste of some dynasties and stuff (Paramara and Chauhan). —SpacemanSpiff 18:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:05:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:08:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
    • As luck would have it, I was just reading the new edition of Frederick Klaeber's Beowulf, realizing I seriously need bi-focals... But I'll be glad to help. Drmies (talk) 18:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:08:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:08:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
  • (edit conflict)And thanks for the jewelry, I shall wear it on special occasions! —SpacemanSpiff 18:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:33:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
    • Good thing I didn't give you an LGBT barnstar, I guess, though I was tempted. Need one? Drmies (talk) 18:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:33:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T19:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:33:00.000Z"]}}-->
      • That gesture, combined with this post would probably make the few women editors on WP feel comfortable around me. Thanks for your work on one of the above pages, can't say I understand much of it even now, but there's at least a little less of it, and it reads a lot better. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 19:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T19:54:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T19:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T20:23:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T19:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
        • (talk page stalker) Makes me want to seek out a pic of you, Spiff... 69.181.249.92 (talk) 20:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T20:23:00.000Z","author":"69.181.249.92","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T20:23:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T19:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T20:33:00.000Z-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T20:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
          • ha ha. But 69, I'm not going to ask you to create an account (again), but can you do the courtesy note bit for A7 tags? Those editors could be helped you know... cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 20:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T20:33:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T20:33:00.000Z-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T20:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T20:45:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T20:33:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
            • My reasons are rooted in not wanting to become a mentor to clueless newbies (which I admit is somewhat at odds with my haunting of Special:Contributions/newbies). Been there, done that, been burned on more than one occasion by socks. (Imagine a little dance here with my feet on fire.) OVER IT. At least for now... 69.181.249.92 (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T20:45:00.000Z","author":"69.181.249.92","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T20:45:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-10T20:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Haha...good one! :) Though to be fair, I'm not really a fan of his. It was just a suitable moniker given my satisfaction with having an intelligent -- or at least reasonably so -- president...and a non-white president, which was sort of a symbolic social victory for this country. Also, I'm not really coming to Bush's aid (I haven't provided him any legal advice); just trying to keep the article sound for the sake of public interest. Thanks for the humor....I needed it today! Obamafan70 (talk) 18:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• Careful with them truths there, son! They might be perceived as partisan! Thanks for your note, and happy editing. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z-?","replies":["c-Obamafan70-2010-09-07T18:24:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hahaha....did you really put the POV tag for this?? You crack me up. I love it....By the way, I like the blue-footed boobies on your user page. Obamafan70 (talk) 18:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:24:00.000Z","author":"Obamafan70","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Obamafan70-2010-09-07T18:24:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:30:00.000Z-Obamafan70-2010-09-07T18:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, if I ever want to run for administrator I need to make sure I'm on the level. ;) Those boobies, there was a story there, a long time ago, and it involved User:Bongomatic, who added the second (and whose user name is fantastic). Now enough with the humor. There are 25,000 articles in Category:Unreferenced BLPs (a joke in its own right), so let's get to it! Besides, you have more peer-reviewed articles to write. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 18:30, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-07T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-07T18:30:00.000Z-Obamafan70-2010-09-07T18:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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As I was involved in rescuing this at its original AFD a couple years ago, I wonder why the nominator did not show his noination as number two and link back to number one, and wonder why he did not notify me as a major contributor to the article. Harumph. Heck... I found this only when a surprising redlink appeared here Did you yourself look at the history of the article when at AFD#2? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-09T21:33:00.000Z","author":"MichaelQSchmidt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-09T21:33:00.000Z-inre_Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/$30_Film_School","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-09T21:58:00.000Z-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-09T21:33:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Schmidt,"}}-->

• Hey Michael, I don't know. Maybe they didn't know--they are relatively new, so they may not have known to look for earlier nominations or to notify the important contributors. Have you asked for userfication? If you can't make it work, no one can. I don't remember looking (or not looking) at the history, but I usually do, and if I had seen your name I would have dropped you a line. So, either I didn't look or I didn't see you... Sorry, and thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 21:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-09T21:58:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-09T21:58:00.000Z-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-09T21:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-09T22:10:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-09T21:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

New editor? Yup... very new.[1] Always a concern when a newb makes deleting articles their first order of business, rather than trying to address concerns. One month after account creation... and with less that 1000 edits... and his talk page history shows an interesting attitude... but no doubt others have him on Watch. I asked for userfication before swinging by here.[2] So far, all I have is a space waiting.[3] if User:Tone does not do it, I can ask userfication from others. I have the patience. And there is an exceedingly interesting discussion going on HERE that will encourage me to write another essay. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 22:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-09T22:10:00.000Z","author":"MichaelQSchmidt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MichaelQSchmidt-2010-09-09T22:10:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-09T21:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Schmidt,"}}-->

There's currently a thread on my talkpage in which another editor is attempting to claim that IPs are not allowed to participate in AFDs. Would you care to chime in and set this clueless one straight? 69.181.249.92 (talk) 02:18, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T02:18:00.000Z","author":"69.181.249.92","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T02:18:00.000Z-Another_anti-IP_editor","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-10T02:56:00.000Z-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T02:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Ha! What if I agree? Drmies (talk) 02:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T02:56:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-10T02:56:00.000Z-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T02:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T05:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T02:56:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T02:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Then you'd be wrong. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 05:53, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T05:53:00.000Z","author":"69.181.249.92","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T05:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T02:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• • Boy, you're strict. Drmies (talk) 15:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T15:54:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T02:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T19:50:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Also known as right? 69.181.249.92 (talk) 19:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T19:50:00.000Z","author":"69.181.249.92","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-69.181.249.92-2010-09-10T19:50:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your message. You need to have a look at the previous edit by the same user. I may have misinterpreted it, but it looked like someone inserting a tasteless comment into the lead, unsupported by a reference, which pretty much amounted to mis-information vandalism. I treated their following edit the same way based on that. But if you have any cites that say differently I'm happy to stand corrected. Thanks --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 11:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T11:23:00.000Z","author":"Escape Orbit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Escape_Orbit-2010-09-10T11:23:00.000Z-Sex-positive_feminism_article","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-Escape_Orbit-2010-09-10T11:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I did see that, and no, that is not a tasteless comment at all--that is an actual (somewhat) notable term, notable enough to be mentioned, which is why I left a message for you and for the other editor who called it vandalism. Sure it was unsupported (like the other alternate terms, BTW) and unexplained, but these were a new user's first (and practically last) edits. As for cites, a Google search supports at least a measure of notability. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T15:53:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-Escape_Orbit-2010-09-10T11:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Escape_Orbit-2010-09-10T16:30:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Are we talking about the same thing? Thanks for providing the cite, it puts an end to any doubt on 'fun feminism'. But I'm talking about the addition of "rape-positive feminism", which looks like a dubious definition to me and was added in the same edit. Is it perhaps a definition used by opponents? If so, that needs to be stated clearly. Listing alternative names coined by those who wish to disparage a concept, without explanation, is not being neutral. It should also be considered if either definition belongs in the lead, they both appear more like opinionated adjectives tagged on to the front of 'feminism'. Leads should concentrate on summarising facts, rather than attempting to balance opinions. That's best left to the rest of the article. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T16:30:00.000Z","author":"Escape Orbit","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Escape_Orbit-2010-09-10T16:30:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-10T15:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-10T16:45:00.000Z-Escape_Orbit-2010-09-10T16:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good point--I note that they did not include that word the second time, and it does not appear to be a notable term. If I had to guess I'd say they retracted that because of Dude's edit summary. It does seem to me, after reading the article by Braithwaite, a cite for which I just added to the article, and after reading a few other articles involving Madonna and the Spice Girls (!) that these terms are not just coined by detractors--though I admit I did not look for "rape-positive" (thanks for pointing that out). So, I'd say that there is no balancing opinions here, that the terms in the current version are valid synonyms (or at least close enough). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T16:45:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-10T16:45:00.000Z-Escape_Orbit-2010-09-10T16:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi - You marked my article for deletion - I have added a couple more reliable sources. Any chance my article could stick around? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SylvIba (talk • contribs) 20:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T20:07:00.000Z","author":"SylvIba","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SylvIba-2010-09-10T20:07:00.000Z-US_Bellows_Article","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-10T23:24:00.000Z-SylvIba-2010-09-10T20:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hey SylvIba, thanks for your note. Listen, you have the right to remove the PROD yourself, the deletion template--see WP:PROD. I had a quick look and I am not entirely convinced yet, and I want you to know that I looked for sources (and see WP:RS for what 'counts') but couldn't find any. I might come back to the article again, but in the meantime, you did exactly what you need to do, so good work. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T23:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-10T23:24:00.000Z-SylvIba-2010-09-10T20:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm sorry if I reverted edits that may have appeared as vandalism in My Eyes, but were actually helpful to the site. Now about the edits on the page Eisler, I have no clue why those edits are considered mine because I don't even know who Riane Eisler is (Seriously, Who the Hell is Riane Eisler?). I also told Amonienie I was sorry, but that you nor nobody else pushed me into it. - Some Dude You've Never Known (talk) 21:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T21:17:00.000Z","author":"Some Dude You've Never Known","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-10T21:17:00.000Z-Re:Manners","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-10T23:05:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-10T21:17:00.000Z","c-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:45:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-10T21:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Well Dude, thanks. If you had looked a little harder you would have seen it wasn't vandalism--and the message you left on their talk page was ridiculous. We have standard templates for that which are appropriate and courteous. The Eisler edit, you reverted Amonienie's removal of clear vandalism, probably as a reaction to what you saw on the feminism page. Just cool down; don't react from the gut. Drmies (talk) 23:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-10T23:05:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-10T23:05:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-10T21:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dude, I've never even heard of Riane Eisler and hadn't even been on that page until I heard you mention it. - Some Dude You've Never Known (talk) 01:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-14T01:45:00.000Z","author":"Some Dude You've Never Known","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:45:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-10T21:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:46:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Who made this edit then? Your brother? Drmies (talk) 01:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-14T01:46:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:46:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

How I should know? I don't know hardly anything about computers or the internet and all that fancy stuff. But, I never even heard of Riane Eisler and I stay away from politics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Some Dude You've Never Known (talk • contribs) 01:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-14T01:53:00.000Z","author":"Some Dude You've Never Known","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:56:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

If you don't know what edits you made to what article, when the record shows you made a bad edit to Riane Eisler, then maybe this isn't the place for you. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 01:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-14T01:56:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:56:00.000Z-Some_Dude_You've_Never_Known-2010-09-14T01:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I feel that public has a right to know who owns our networks and stations. see this example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pappas_Telecasting_Companies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueblood786 (talk • contribs)

• I don't know anything about rights, sorry. Feel free to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ngensolutions LLC. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-11T04:11:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-11T04:11:00.000Z-Ngensolutions_=","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. I've made a temporary fix to the uw-unsourced4 template, so it works ok again now - and have commented further at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 September 4#Template:Uw-unsourced4 -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-11T07:09:00.000Z","author":"Boing! said Zebedee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2010-09-11T07:09:00.000Z-uw-unsourced4","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-11T14:03:00.000Z-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2010-09-11T07:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks Boing. Drmies (talk) 14:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-11T14:03:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-11T14:03:00.000Z-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2010-09-11T07:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

He Doc, can you check this for DYK? I don't have Word and the DYK Check thing doesn't seem to work. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 17:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-13T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-09-13T17:01:00.000Z-What_would_you_rather_be_doing?","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:10:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-09-13T17:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hey K, it's 1599 characters according to the java tool, hyperlinked at WP:DYK. Drmies (talk) 17:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-13T17:10:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:10:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-09-13T17:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-09-13T17:22:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Thanks, trying to get a picture, lots on Flikr, but I have to get a licence changed. Shouldn't be too hard. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-13T17:22:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-09-13T17:22:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:25:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-09-13T17:22:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • You're better at that than I'll ever be! Hope you don't mind a few little tweaks. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-13T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:25:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-09-13T17:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-09-14T01:38:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
      • Thanks for the tweaks, any thoughts on a hook?--kelapstick (talk) 01:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-14T01:38:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-09-14T01:38:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-13T17:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:40:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-09-14T01:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
        • Did you know that...Canadian politician Lori MacLeod took the sexist comment that she'd rather be baking cookies than attend a meeting literally and made it the title of a cookbook? Drmies (talk) 01:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-14T01:40:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-14T01:40:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-09-14T01:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have restored this list of members to this club. These people were honoured members. It isn't right to take that from them. Here is the link to the original discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Association_of_Ugly_People#Notable_Members Clerks. (talk) 14:26, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-15T14:26:00.000Z","author":"Clerks","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Clerks-2010-09-15T14:26:00.000Z-World_Association_of_Ugly_People","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-15T14:57:00.000Z-Clerks-2010-09-15T14:26:00.000Z","c-Kelapstick-2010-09-15T19:43:00.000Z-Clerks-2010-09-15T14:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Clerks."}}-->

• Thanks for the link. I do note, however, that there wasn't much discussion there, and no consensus. I also note that the redlinked people are not notable by Wiki's usual standards: since you monitor the article so closely, perhaps you could write articles, at least stubs, on them. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-15T14:57:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-15T14:57:00.000Z-Clerks-2010-09-15T14:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• This link is an "about us" section, is that really reliable enough for saying that people are members of the "Ugly Club"? I would prefer something moer independent saying that a former Prime Minister of Italy was a member. But that's just me.--kelapstick (talk) 19:43, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-15T19:43:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-09-15T19:43:00.000Z-Clerks-2010-09-15T14:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just noticed the Milestone. Congrats.--intelati^(Call) 04:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-16T04:36:00.000Z","author":"Intelati","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Intelati-2010-09-16T04:36:00.000Z-50,000","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-16T04:39:00.000Z-Intelati-2010-09-16T04:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thank you! I'm somewhat surprised. The last 20,000 went by fast, though. Cheers, Drmies (talk) 04:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-16T04:39:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-16T04:39:00.000Z-Intelati-2010-09-16T04:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I responded on my talk page, to a query you made some time back. Slyforeman (talk) 19:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-16T19:51:00.000Z","author":"Slyforeman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Slyforeman-2010-09-16T19:51:00.000Z-Rodrigo","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-16T20:04:00.000Z-Slyforeman-2010-09-16T19:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thank you. As you saw, the AfD reached a keep decision pretty easily. Drmies (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-16T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-16T20:04:00.000Z-Slyforeman-2010-09-16T19:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please don't go starting rumours you can't follow up. I have done my user page and I am Serbian, and my edits are not all on Albania subjects like the people blocked in the sock group from Sinbad Barron. You have no evidence so please don't impede on my rights as an editor and I will gladly respect your editting. Goodbye. Chetnik Serb (talk) 22:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-16T22:41:00.000Z","author":"Chetnik Serb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chetnik_Serb-2010-09-16T22:41:00.000Z-Watch_your_step","replies":[]}}-->

^Bongo_matic 01:25, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-17T01:25:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-09-17T01:25:00.000Z-Watch_your_step","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-19T21:02:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-09-17T01:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Well, thanks. I merely pointed out that your edits looked a lot like someone else's, and I find, on your talk page, that you have been blocked indefinitely as a sock, so someone must have agreed with me. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:02, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-19T21:02:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-19T21:02:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-09-17T01:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-19T23:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-19T21:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Bongo--I'm trying to find the allegory here. But those are spectacular bridges, esp. the Pakistani one, and that river looks delicious. Drmies (talk) 23:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-19T23:54:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-19T23:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-19T21:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 17 September 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oskar Höcker, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-17T18:03:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-09-17T18:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Oskar_H\u00f6cker","replies":[]}}-->

On 17 September 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gustav Höcker, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Gustav_H\u00f6cker","replies":[]}}-->

On 17 September 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Paul Oskar Höcker, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Paul_Oskar_H\u00f6cker","replies":[]}}-->

On 17 September 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Karla Höcker, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Karla_H\u00f6cker","replies":[]}}-->

On 17 September 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lessing Theater, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Lessing_Theater","replies":["c-Mandarax-2010-09-17T19:49:00.000Z-Rlevse-2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I know I already congratulated you on your "upcoming" quintuple, but now that it's actually appeared, I think you deserve additional congratulations. So... congratulations on your second quintuple DYK! Keep up the good work! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-17T19:49:00.000Z","author":"Mandarax","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mandarax-2010-09-17T19:49:00.000Z-Rlevse-2010-09-17T18:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2010-09-18T02:07:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-09-17T19:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wow! LadyofShalott 02:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-18T02:07:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-09-18T02:07:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-09-17T19:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-20T00:04:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-09-18T02:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

Thanks to both. Can I tell you how boring it is to translate from the German wiki? And look at the number of people who looked at those articles, and you get a pretty good idea of what the sound of one hand clapping might resemble. Lady, we might have rain next week. Woohoo! Drmies (talk) 00:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T00:04:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-09-18T02:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bongomatic-2010-09-20T01:50:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T00:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Translated?! Translated?! Have you complied with the proposed accreditation standards from German to English by Dutchmen, as lobbied for by notable individuals? ^Bongo_matic 01:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T01:50:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-09-20T01:50:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T00:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-20T01:53:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-09-20T01:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't have that at hand, no. Will a screenshot from the local news do? Drmies (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T01:53:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T01:53:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-09-20T01:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mandarax-2010-10-28T08:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T01:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

I noticed an egregious oversight. This quintuple hook wasn't in the DYK Hall of Fame. That situation has been remedied. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T08:02:00.000Z","author":"Mandarax","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Mandarax-2010-10-28T08:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T01:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

<--Mandarax, thank you so much. You are a very kind editor. Drmies (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T19:04:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Lessing_Theater","replies":[]}}-->

I hope you accept my kind words given in this nomination statement. Minimac (talk) 17:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-18T17:55:00.000Z","author":"Minimac","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Minimac-2010-09-18T17:55:00.000Z-Rfa_nomination","replies":[],"displayName":"Minima"}}-->

JamesBWatson would also like you to become a nominator. I'm confident you'd be a good one. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-18T19:30:00.000Z","author":"JamesBWatson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JamesBWatson-2010-09-18T19:30:00.000Z-Rfa_nomination","replies":[]}}-->

Favonian also has a score to settle. You cannot escape the mop forever. Favonian (talk) 21:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-19T21:06:00.000Z","author":"Favonian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Favonian-2010-09-19T21:06:00.000Z-Rfa_nomination","replies":["c-Mandarax-2010-09-19T21:32:00.000Z-Favonian-2010-09-19T21:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

It looks like people aren't giving you much choice here. I must admit that I've had Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Drmies watchlisted for a long time. I would wholeheartedly support your candidacy, but I would also wholeheartedly support a decision not to run now, if you feel the time isn't right (or whatever). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-19T21:32:00.000Z","author":"Mandarax","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mandarax-2010-09-19T21:32:00.000Z-Favonian-2010-09-19T21:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-19T23:28:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-09-19T21:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

So this is what happens while I'm lounging at the beach. Mandarax, you should have seen the amount of beer I brought back: FL allows the big bottles. I'll need to have one and ponder these notes, and then I'm going to have a look at those admin school pages--I must admit, the work that Favonian, Ucucha, Watson, Fastily, MaterialScientist, tedder, and all those other great admins do, I don't know if I'm in the same league, and I do know that there is a lot to learn besides the CSD criteria and the difference between a block and a ban (duh--I hope I'll never get asked that). Thank you all. Drmies (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-19T23:28:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-19T23:28:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-09-19T21:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-2over0-2010-09-20T03:14:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-19T23:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Still no forties, but at least they finally increased the allowable alcohol content in beer such that Sweetwater no longer needs to brew a special batch (unless I am misremembering where you live). - 2/0 (cont.) 03:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T03:14:00.000Z","author":"2over0","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-2over0-2010-09-20T03:14:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-19T23:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-20T05:43:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T03:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Common doc, join the league of masochists, it's a lot of fun around here. —SpacemanSpiff 05:43, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T05:43:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-20T05:43:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T03:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2010-09-20T13:46:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-20T05:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->

Support: You'd do a good job if you took on the mop, Drmies. LadyofShalott 13:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T13:46:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-09-20T13:46:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-20T05:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-MarmadukePercy-2010-09-21T03:36:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-09-20T13:46:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

I don't really know you, but from what I've seen you have a pretty big clue. I think you should go for the RfA. I'd support. MarmadukePercy (talk) 03:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T03:36:00.000Z","author":"MarmadukePercy","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MarmadukePercy-2010-09-21T03:36:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-09-20T13:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-SuperHamster-2010-09-21T03:40:00.000Z-MarmadukePercy-2010-09-21T03:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

You've got a support from me too; and honestly, who cares how "leagues" are set up. Every user and admin edits Wikipedia in their own fashion, and as long as you can put to good use the admin tools in some way (which I think you've proved that you can do), I think that's good enough for one to become an admin. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T03:40:00.000Z","author":"SuperHamster","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SuperHamster-2010-09-21T03:40:00.000Z-MarmadukePercy-2010-09-21T03:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Super"}}-->

• Doc, when are you transcluding? I don't want to miss the big event, it's payback time. —SpacemanSpiff 16:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T16:41:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-21T16:41:00.000Z-Rfa_nomination","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-21T16:44:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-21T16:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
  • The moment you learn proper Dutch! Haha thanks, Spiff. I gotta think this over just a little bit more. I was wanting to write a nice GA or even FA before the event, but I don't think I have enough time for that (let alone skills...). I'll let you know soon. Not that I'll be canvassing, of course, cause I'd have to block me for that. Drmies (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-21T16:44:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-21T16:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-21T16:48:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-21T16:44:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • Don't blame me, blame the almighty (Google)! If you're looking for a topic for GA, might I suggest Mithali Raj, in the process you might also learn a thing or two about the greatest game on earth. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T16:48:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-21T16:48:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-21T16:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atama-2010-09-21T17:14:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-21T16:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
      • This is the oldest cliche, I know, but I seriously thought you were already an admin. Why aren't you? -- Atama頭 17:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T17:14:00.000Z","author":"Atama","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Atama-2010-09-21T17:14:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-09-21T16:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-ErikHaugen-2010-10-19T05:01:00.000Z-Atama-2010-09-21T17:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
        • Possibly because Drmies realizes how hard it is for someone who favors singular they to pass an RfA. ErikHaugen (talk) 05:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-19T05:01:00.000Z","author":"ErikHaugen","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ErikHaugen-2010-10-19T05:01:00.000Z-Atama-2010-09-21T17:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-22T20:16:00.000Z-ErikHaugen-2010-10-19T05:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
          • Haha, good point--a make or break issue, no doubt. ;) Drmies (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T20:16:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-22T20:16:00.000Z-ErikHaugen-2010-10-19T05:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I have noted your objection and added the references. Since Radio and Television are of public interest it is clearly in the public interest to know who owns the TV and Radio Stations in the United States

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• Replied at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ngensolutions LLC. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T02:36:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T02:36:00.000Z-Trueblood786-2010-09-20T02:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for that speedy nomination. I believe that all the rest of the sites were copying the description on the publisher website, so I put that in the deletion rationale instead of your search. Also, best of luck if you decide to activate that recently blue link up there :). - 2/0 (cont.) 02:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T02:35:00.000Z","author":"2over0","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2over0-2010-09-20T02:35:00.000Z-The_Shaktra","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-20T02:42:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T02:35:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-09-20T02:44:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T02:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks for your note: I appreciate it especially since I wasn't entirely sure what to do, given that the article was so old. Some guidance from Moonriddengirl, LadyofShalott, xeno, and others has taught me that copyvio needs to be taken seriously to precisely that extent: deletion.

  After I looked at the template again the Google search looked kind of dumb, I admit that gladly, but I figured it would make the point and would save me the effort of figuring out whether some of those hits were wiki-mirrors--and that's of course what we have admins for, for the dirty work! ;) Drmies (talk) 02:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T02:42:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T02:42:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T02:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Oh, there's a redirect left, The shaktra. There is no speedy category for that, is there? (Like G8, "Talk pages with no corresponding subject page".) Thanks! Drmies (talk) 02:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T02:44:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T02:44:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T02:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-2over0-2010-09-20T02:57:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T02:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nabbed it, thank you. WP:CSD#G8 is exactly the one you want - Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page. I have no idea whether there is a specific template like {{db-move}}, but {{db-g8}} style templates exist for all the rationales. I admit that my first thought looking through the development of that article was that the other sites were mirroring us, but I am pretty sure it was just a case of copying some and closely paraphrasing the rest. - 2/0 (cont.) 02:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T02:57:00.000Z","author":"2over0","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2over0-2010-09-20T02:57:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T02:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mandarax-2010-09-21T03:32:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T02:57:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-09-20T03:02:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T02:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

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Right--when I saw the number of hits, and the placement of the text on the Barnes and Noble page, I arrived at the same conclusion. As for your G8 note, facepalm!, it seems I had forgotten that, ahem, a redirect is an article. Haha, you live and learn. Thanks again for the instructions! Drmies (talk) 03:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T03:02:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T03:02:00.000Z-2over0-2010-09-20T02:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-2over0-2010-09-20T03:09:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T03:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

The pictures on articles like facepalm always remind my of XKCD (cartoon "anatomy diagrams" - vaguely potentially not safe for work). - 2/0 (cont.) 03:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T03:09:00.000Z","author":"2over0","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-2over0-2010-09-20T03:09:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T03:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi,

I noticed your edit comment encouraging reverting some of the recent edits to David Walliams. I see no reason to encourage reverts because a new user does not know the specifics of Wikipedia and Wiki markup, in this case it would only result in useful information being thrown away. So I chose to incorporate the references properly in the article, rather than follow your suggestion. Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 16:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Nettrom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nettrom-2010-09-20T16:46:00.000Z-Encouraging_reverts","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-20T16:53:00.000Z-Nettrom-2010-09-20T16:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks for taking the time and investing the energy in doing that. While such a suggestion may not seem fruitful to you, we are dealing with a BLP, and (as is also clear from your work, which is evidenced in the history) such referencing leaves a lot of work for other editors--I assume you checked them all, and you used templates, which I greatly appreciate. I personally take a somewhat strict stance on BLPs, and while the information was not libelous, all editors, even new ones, should attempt to cite properly especially on BLPs, which is why I welcomed them and then directed them to WP:CITE. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T16:53:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T16:53:00.000Z-Nettrom-2010-09-20T16:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nettrom-2010-09-20T19:45:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T16:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Ah, I haven't yet reached the point where I am immediately noticing the article is a BLP. It does make a big difference, I agree that those articles need to be scrutinised more closely. I'll try to remember which articles on my watchlist are BLPs from now on, thanks for your reply! Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 19:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Nettrom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nettrom-2010-09-20T19:45:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T16:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-20T19:48:00.000Z-Nettrom-2010-09-20T19:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • No worries Nettrom--happy to oblige. And thanks again for doing such a nice job. Drmies (talk) 19:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T19:48:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T19:48:00.000Z-Nettrom-2010-09-20T19:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

not sure what happened to the sigs when i hit save on my last comment. looks like the problem has been fixed though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.230.26 (talk) 20:24, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T20:24:00.000Z","author":"98.14.230.26","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-98.14.230.26-2010-09-20T20:24:00.000Z-fl","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-20T22:45:00.000Z-98.14.230.26-2010-09-20T20:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Cause I fixed it. ;) Drmies (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-20T22:45:00.000Z-98.14.230.26-2010-09-20T20:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-98.14.230.26-2010-09-20T22:56:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T22:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.230.26 (talk) 22:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-20T22:56:00.000Z","author":"98.14.230.26","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-98.14.230.26-2010-09-20T22:56:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-20T22:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yopie is a nostalgist of panslav state (Czechoslovakia), and he often show racist panslavist attitude in his editings. I advocated the deletion and ban of his wiki account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.1.166.39 (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T16:37:00.000Z","author":"84.1.166.39","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-84.1.166.39-2010-09-21T16:37:00.000Z-Yopie_&_the_Czechoslovak_panslavism_&_racism","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-21T16:38:00.000Z-84.1.166.39-2010-09-21T16:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Well, that's fantastic. Drmies (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-21T16:38:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-21T16:38:00.000Z-84.1.166.39-2010-09-21T16:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The reference to who's who was to establish the date she started as a singer. Dates vary all over, but who's who listed it as 1962, the year she started singing in Avignon contests. Stefan 137.240.136.74 (talk) 15:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-22T15:08:00.000Z","author":"137.240.136.74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-137.240.136.74-2010-09-22T15:08:00.000Z-Mireille_Mathieu","replies":["c-137.240.136.74-2010-09-22T15:17:00.000Z-137.240.136.74-2010-09-22T15:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Originally the 2002 edition of who's who was in Google Books, but GB dropped it for copyright probably, so your ref is probably good enough. Stefan 137.240.136.74 (talk) 15:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-22T15:17:00.000Z","author":"137.240.136.74","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-137.240.136.74-2010-09-22T15:17:00.000Z-137.240.136.74-2010-09-22T15:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The reason I linked her first name is that 99.99% of English speaking people don't know how to pronounce it. Interestingly, the youtube link in the article has the announcer mispronounce it like all others - ha, ha. MEE-RAY... 73, Steve K5okc (talk) 16:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-22T16:19:00.000Z","author":"K5okc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-K5okc-2010-09-22T16:19:00.000Z-Mireille_Mathieu","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-22T16:21:00.000Z-K5okc-2010-09-22T16:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sure, but the IPA pronunciation is already there in the first line of the article. That lead also needs to be rewritten, by the way... Drmies (talk) 16:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-22T16:21:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-22T16:21:00.000Z-K5okc-2010-09-22T16:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I don't think she was the first (anything - solo, group, etc) in China. There was a French guy named Jean Jarre who went there in 1981. FYI K5okc (talk) 17:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-22T17:39:00.000Z","author":"K5okc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-K5okc-2010-09-22T17:39:00.000Z-Mireille_Mathieu","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-22T17:47:00.000Z-K5okc-2010-09-22T17:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Jean Michel Jarre? I remember that concert. Yes, his wiki article seems to confirm that. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-22T17:47:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-22T17:47:00.000Z-K5okc-2010-09-22T17:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I don't think it was a G3 but I'm certain that "not sucking" is not a valid claim of importance or significance. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T03:18:00.000Z","author":"Ron Ritzman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T03:18:00.000Z-Nick_Ryan_Cunningham","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-23T03:25:00.000Z-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T03:18:00.000Z","c-Uncle_G-2010-09-23T08:39:00.000Z-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T03:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hmm--not vandalism? But what then? It certainly wasn't a hoax--for all we know Cunningham totally doesn't suck! A7? I personally don't think it's enough of an article to even warrant that, but then, I'm just a peon, unlike you! And who made you administrator all of a sudden?? Oh wait, I did, along with 140 others... Well, I guess Uncle G will bring this one up when I run for admin! Did I say congratulations already? Congrats, and thanks for leaving a note! Drmies (talk) 03:25, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T03:25:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-23T03:25:00.000Z-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T03:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T03:41:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-23T03:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • I know you were being sarcastic but in my view it's the admins who are the "peons". (take that "mop and bucket" and go clean up that graffiti, I've got articles to write) In any case, one thing that was certain is that Nick Ryan Cunningham wasn't an article and had no chance of becoming one. Just be careful with the G3 tag because it assumes bad faith. If it's just a bunch of kids fooling around and writing about themselves and their friends then A7 is good enough :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T03:41:00.000Z","author":"Ron Ritzman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T03:41:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-23T03:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• You could have put it under so many things: Attack article, for example, for what it said about the other person. For simplicity, "short article with no context" would probably have worked best. There's nothing there that identified which Nick Ryan Cunningham in the world it was talking about; which is one of the basic reasons that it had no chance of becoming an article, after all. Uncle G (talk) 08:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T08:39:00.000Z","author":"Uncle G","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Uncle_G-2010-09-23T08:39:00.000Z-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T03:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T11:27:00.000Z-Uncle_G-2010-09-23T08:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Speak of the devil and he shows up. Uncle G, the Wikipedia version of kibo. (and he totally doesn't suck) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T11:27:00.000Z","author":"Ron Ritzman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T11:27:00.000Z-Uncle_G-2010-09-23T08:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-26T16:23:00.000Z-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T11:27:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • When you speak of the devil you step on his tail, as the Dutch say. Thank you gentlemen, both of you, and thank you also for not sucking. Drmies (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-26T16:23:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-26T16:23:00.000Z-Ron_Ritzman-2010-09-23T11:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello, your nomination of Rolf Bremmer at DYK was reviewed and comments provided. --NortyNort (Holla) 09:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T09:07:00.000Z","author":"NortyNort","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NortyNort-2010-09-23T09:07:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_for_Rolf_Bremmer","replies":["c-NortyNort-2010-09-23T21:38:00.000Z-NortyNort-2010-09-23T09:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, I had some multi-hooks. Anyway, thanks for explaining and taking care of the issues. Looks good. --NortyNort (Holla) 21:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T21:38:00.000Z","author":"NortyNort","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NortyNort-2010-09-23T21:38:00.000Z-NortyNort-2010-09-23T09:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think a bundle AFD would be better. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 20:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-23T20:51:00.000Z","author":"TenPoundHammer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TenPoundHammer-2010-09-23T20:51:00.000Z-Hunting_(House)","replies":[]}}-->

Drmies, I would support the inclusion of the additional episodes of course, and I think you're right in that it's proper and consensus to do it, but alas it may be better just to nominate subsequently to avoid the drama. But I want you to know that I appreciate the effort. --Bsherr (talk) 15:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-25T15:25:00.000Z","author":"Bsherr","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bsherr-2010-09-25T15:25:00.000Z-Hunting_(House)","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-25T18:42:00.000Z-Bsherr-2010-09-25T15:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I'm disgusted by it. But thanks... Drmies (talk) 18:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-25T18:42:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-25T18:42:00.000Z-Bsherr-2010-09-25T15:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Reyk-2010-09-25T21:28:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-25T18:42:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • I second what Bsherr says. A second, bundled, nomination is the way to go from here I think. I also liked MichaelQSchmidt's suggestion of bundling in the same nomination and then automatically relisting it. Reyk _YO! 21:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-25T21:28:00.000Z","author":"Reyk","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Reyk-2010-09-25T21:28:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-25T18:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

This was particularly well put. I have neither the abilities nor patience to sum up policy arguments so well, so I'm always appreciative when someone else can. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-26T00:39:00.000Z","author":"Ohnoitsjamie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ohnoitsjamie-2010-09-26T00:39:00.000Z-Nice_work","replies":[]}}-->

On 26 September 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rolf Bremmer, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

First off, hoogleraar is now amongst my favorite words in any language, but I may be using it incorrectly, i.e. to startle young children. Second off, when you have time, could you add a bullet at Professor#Netherlands to explain the term "extraordinary professor"? There's a nugget about the term in the #Germany section, but I personally don't know if that's the best place for it or even if it is correct. Yours in curiosity. Haus^Talk 07:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-26T07:35:00.000Z","author":"Haus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Haus-2010-09-26T07:35:00.000Z-Hoogleraar!","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-26T16:18:00.000Z-Haus-2010-09-26T07:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hello Haus: I am not sure if I can help very much. First, though, it is also one of my favorite words, and as the article correctly explains, it is a difficult position to attain, which is why I'm where I am, haha. Rolf Bremmer, who probably prompted this question, is "extraordinary professor" of Frisian, and some of the Dutch pages on his university's website translate that (to put the cart before the horse) as "bijzonder hoogleraar". What I don't know if he receives special funding from outside the university for that position (he's also a "senior lecturer"). I will ask him and do a bit more research, but as a side note, I will be spending a bit less time editing here so it may be a while before I can add or edit anything on that page. But I'll keep this in mind--thanks for asking, and happy editing. Drmies (talk) 16:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-26T16:18:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-26T16:18:00.000Z-Haus-2010-09-26T07:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies

I'm not trying to inappropriately canvass, but a number of AfDs that I've started (you can review my history) are languishing with lack of participation. If you feel like stopping by, that would be great—I don't care how you opine, but I hope that you could provide a policy-/guideline-based rationale should you participate.

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 04:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-27T04:26:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-09-27T04:26:00.000Z-For_your_consideration","replies":[]}}-->

I have blocked both ip's following your AIV report, since they both resolve to Bank of Nova Scotia, Scarborough, (Edmonton?) Canada - same person, I would think. Do you think that the edits should be rev/deleted? I think so, but you have been active on this subject - even if just combating vandalism - so I would like your opinion. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-28T13:11:00.000Z","author":"LessHeard vanU","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LessHeard_vanU-2010-09-28T13:11:00.000Z-re_BLP_violations_at_Jaggi_Vasudev","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-28T14:42:00.000Z-LessHeard_vanU-2010-09-28T13:11:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-09-28T15:20:00.000Z-LessHeard_vanU-2010-09-28T13:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hello Less--I heard a little grumbling the other day that ANI was turning into a rev/del request board, and it is true that there were quite a few such requests, not all of which were granted. I think that the unverified charges themselves are serious enough to warrant deletion, plus, I'm pretty sure it's a copyvio, possibly a cut-and-paste job (look at the punctuation) from a few sources. One version is found here. So yes, I think this is a valid case. Thanks for following up! And thanks to Courcelles for the protection. Drmies (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-28T14:42:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-28T14:42:00.000Z-LessHeard_vanU-2010-09-28T13:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-LessHeard_vanU-2010-09-28T14:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-28T14:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Okay, I shall do so drekkly. I didn't look too much into the language (though I noticed there were no spaces between fullstops and next letter), just what it was saying. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC) Done. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-28T14:46:00.000Z","author":"LessHeard vanU","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LessHeard_vanU-2010-09-28T14:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-28T14:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Excellent, thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-28T15:20:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-28T15:20:00.000Z-LessHeard_vanU-2010-09-28T13:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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This might help as well. Tom Shippey explains how 19th German scholars saw Beowulf as a proof of early Danish imperialism. De728631 (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-28T20:39:00.000Z","author":"De728631","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-De728631-2010-09-28T20:39:00.000Z-Talkback","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-28T22:04:00.000Z-De728631-2010-09-28T20:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks! Drmies (talk) 22:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-28T22:04:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-28T22:04:00.000Z-De728631-2010-09-28T20:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies, Thanks for the welcome. I'm curious as to why my edit was undone? as the proof on the other page is not a correct definition of the word. As shouldn't the page still be present but maybe have a reference to a sucker punch due to the nature of a king hit being a knockout blow rather then just an unexpected punch. User:YourNameinHistory (talk), 29 September 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 04:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-29T04:36:00.000Z","author":"YourNameinHistory","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-YourNameinHistory-2010-09-29T04:36:00.000Z-Definition","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:50:00.000Z-YourNameinHistory-2010-09-29T04:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"User:YourNameinHistory"}}-->

• Hey, welcome again. Sorry to undo your first article. Don't let that discourage you. Two reasons: first of all, the article King hit) that you created out of the redirect was a bit too much like a straightforward dictionary definition (see WP:DICDEF), unlike Sucker punch, which has a more encyclopedic content to it. Second, what's in Sucker punch about "King hit" isn't very different, but the biggest thing is, the reference there is a book published by a university press (from University of New South Wales) and those generally rank higher than dictionary.com, which is not generally accepted on Wikipedia, I think, as a reliable source (for one thing, it also mirrors Wikipedia's content, and Wikipedia is not a source for Wikipedia). Does that help?

  There's a link in that welcome template, Wikipedia:Your first article, which might be useful, and if you need a good topic, that old historic building around the corner from you might need an article, or your grandma's church--or maybe even your grandma herself? If you click on "Recent changes" on the left you'll see a list of topics for which articles are requested--sometimes there's something there. Thanks for asking, and let me know if I can help with anything else. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 04:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-29T04:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:50:00.000Z-YourNameinHistory-2010-09-29T04:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:51:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:50:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-09-29T14:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

  • Well, you could always add that information to Sucker punch, and see how it flies, whether other editors agree or not. Add the note or sentence, stick in that reference, and see how it looks--good luck! Drmies (talk) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-29T04:51:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:51:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
  • Since our last message i have since found the term posted at A Dictionary of Australian Words And Terms which was written in 1997 and is a list of Australian terms and associated meanings, which would then make the existing context in 'sucker punch' incorrect, plus i had glanced over the text written by Graham Seal and could not find a link between the two, can you please advise me on whether the changes are then appropriate to be re-changed. Thank you once again. User:YourNameinHistory (talk), 29 September 2010
    • You take your punches seriously! That dictionary, that is a good enough source--well found. It suggests that a King hit is more a knock-out punch than a sucker punch. Now, we don't have an article for knockout punch (at least not how we're talking about it) but we have [[Knockout]. That article doesn't have a section for different names given to such punches; you could consider adding such a section, which could be expanded on by other editors. I have to tell you, though, that Wikipedia does not have giving dictionary definitions as its goal, so while sticking it in an existing article is probably fine with most editors, an independent article, without other content, probably is not. Oh, when you add some info to Knockout, you can change the target of the redirect for King hit. Enjoy, Drmies (talk) 14:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-29T14:02:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-29T14:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-29T04:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-YourNameinHistory-2010-09-29T22:47:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-29T14:02:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • Thank you again Drmies for your guidance. I have since made relevant changes and it's not that i take my punches seriously, I just don't like people to be misinformed. User:YourNameinHistory (talk), 30 September 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 22:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-29T22:47:00.000Z","author":"YourNameinHistory","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-YourNameinHistory-2010-09-29T22:47:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-29T14:02:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"User:YourNameinHistory"}}-->

It might help if you chimed in at Wikipedia talk:Edit filter#Skype filter, Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 12:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-29T12:40:00.000Z","author":"Dougweller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dougweller-2010-09-29T12:40:00.000Z-Skype","replies":[]}}-->

In checking the contrib history of ServiceMagic, which I've just listed for AfD, I noticed your recent COI tag and at least three active SPAs in recent article history, one indeffed. I was wondering if this has ever gone before the COI board or elsewhere? ScottyBerg (talk) 14:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-30T14:58:00.000Z","author":"ScottyBerg","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottyBerg-2010-09-30T14:58:00.000Z-ServiceMagic","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-30T15:43:00.000Z-ScottyBerg-2010-09-30T14:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hello Scotty--to my discredit, I have to say that my contributions were limited to the obvious COI matter. A quick glance showed me two of them; it might well be that there is more to this than meets the eye. I don't know if this matter has ever come up; the edit summaries give me little reason to think so. I'll have a look at the AfD today--thanks for your due diligence. Drmies (talk) 15:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-30T15:43:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-30T15:43:00.000Z-ScottyBerg-2010-09-30T14:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-ScottyBerg-2010-09-30T15:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-30T15:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, Drmies. I was just wondering if it needed to be escalated. I'll see if these accounts are revived, or if they have successors. I noticed that SPAs participated in both AfDs, the 2nd one very prominently and without being identified as such. ScottyBerg (talk) 15:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-30T15:46:00.000Z","author":"ScottyBerg","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ScottyBerg-2010-09-30T15:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-09-30T15:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-09-30T17:12:00.000Z-ScottyBerg-2010-09-30T15:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good call. Thanks again. Drmies (talk) 17:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-30T17:12:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-09-30T17:12:00.000Z-ScottyBerg-2010-09-30T15:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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On 3 October 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Linn Duachaill, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if you caught it today, but Nevada beat UNLV for the Fremont Cannon today, which puts them at 5-0, and ranked 25th. They still have Boisie State to play, but so far a good year. Not televised here, but that is why the internet was invented, wasn't it? Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 13:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-03T13:51:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-03T13:51:00.000Z-Are_you_ready_for_some_football?","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-03T14:15:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-03T13:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Didn't catch it, no, sorry. I think you know what I was watching. And we had friends over, grilled Conecuh sausage, and had a variety of beer--baby being up at 5, I was done in the fourth quarter. Roll Tide! Go Wolfpack! (?) Now, since the party is over, care to write up that sausage for a DYK? Drmies (talk) 14:15, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-03T14:15:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-03T14:15:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-03T13:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-10-04T00:35:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-03T14:15:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Sounds good, but unfortunately I will not have the time for much writing I believe, maybe in a week or two. Looks like Nevada is following Boisie State to the Mountain West, not going to be much left of the WAC by next year. One of the guys I work with here has a kid who plays for Utah State, so I am looking forward to their demise in a couple weeks, braging rights and all that. Five a.m. eh? Mrs. K is getting to experience all that on her own for the next 6 weeks, although I get up at 4:30 anyway, so the only advantage I have is I can go to sleep at 7:30 if I want...Not sure what the Wolfpack battle cry is, but I am sure it isn't nearly as cool as Roll Tide. --kelapstick (talk) 00:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-04T00:35:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-04T00:35:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-03T14:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There was no need for me to be confrontational like that, and my generalisations weren't really meant to apply to you and they don't. I was just sounding off. Fences&Windows 21:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-03T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Fences and windows","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fences_and_windows-2010-10-03T21:10:00.000Z-Sorry","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-04T01:48:00.000Z-Fences_and_windows-2010-10-03T21:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Fences"}}-->

• Fences, I appreciate that. I've seen you around long enough to value your work and had hoped that it wasn't that personal. I really don't like to think of myself as a deletionist--though I'm a bit irked that I couldn't find the references that others did. That whole AfD (I quit looking at it after a while) was a pile of shit anyway, on both sides, and it made me rethink what I am doing here. Anyway, I really do appreciate your message. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-04T01:48:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-04T01:48:00.000Z-Fences_and_windows-2010-10-03T21:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Can you improve the translation and find some sources?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-05T14:12:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2010-10-05T14:12:00.000Z-Ter_Apel_Monastery","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-05T15:21:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2010-10-05T14:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sure thing, Ernst--I'll get on it today. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-05T15:21:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-05T15:21:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2010-10-05T14:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-05T20:34:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-05T15:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • What do you think? I can find some more stuff, and get a DYK out of it. Drmies (talk) 20:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-05T20:34:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-05T20:34:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-05T15:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Superb work!!! Beyond expectations. I've removed the angry rant from your talk page BTW. Article looks amazing!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:36, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-06T10:36:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2010-10-06T10:36:00.000Z-Ter_Apel_Monastery","replies":[]}}-->

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The latter post is obviously a sock. Any idea who it may be? Kindzmarauli (talk) 22:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-06T22:12:00.000Z","author":"Kindzmarauli","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kindzmarauli-2010-10-06T22:12:00.000Z-Sock","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-06T23:27:00.000Z-Kindzmarauli-2010-10-06T22:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Is it? I'm not so good at those things--your guess is probably better than mine. I think it's just pretty silly, and while I don't want to speak bad of other editors, their edit was not very bright, nor is their templating. Usually such users don't have very long careers here, socks or not. Drmies (talk) 23:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-06T23:27:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-06T23:27:00.000Z-Kindzmarauli-2010-10-06T22:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just to let you know I did not create this article, only the redirect to Revelation (disambiguation). Nirvana2013 (talk) 11:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-07T11:55:00.000Z","author":"Nirvana2013","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nirvana2013-2010-10-07T11:55:00.000Z-Nomination_of_Revelations_for_deletion","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-07T14:49:00.000Z-Nirvana2013-2010-10-07T11:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sure thing. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-07T14:49:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-07T14:49:00.000Z-Nirvana2013-2010-10-07T11:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2010-10-09T22:55:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-07T14:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

...brings new meaning to "RfD". LadyofShalott 22:55, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-09T22:55:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-10-09T22:55:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-07T14:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-10T04:00:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-10-09T22:55:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

Dear Lady, tonight is not a night for jokes. Let's be happy for South Carolina while we drink our cyanide. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-10T04:00:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-10T04:00:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-10-09T22:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I don't care if you swear or not on your page, go on ahead and swear all you want. I was refereeing to the double standards that EndofSkull was using regarding profanity. You can swear but I can't. Heavydata (talk) 20:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-07T20:30:00.000Z","author":"Heavydata","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Heavydata-2010-10-07T20:30:00.000Z-re:_your_comment","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-07T22:15:00.000Z-Heavydata-2010-10-07T20:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I was merely trying to point out that you weren't reading my talk page archive very carefully or correctly. Let's close this discussion. Drmies (talk) 22:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-07T22:15:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-07T22:15:00.000Z-Heavydata-2010-10-07T20:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

If not, enjoy! (I was reminded of our tradition when I got yet another "You must inform editors of speedy tags" notice.) 69.181.249.92 (talk) 22:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-07T22:42:00.000Z","author":"69.181.249.92","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-69.181.249.92-2010-10-07T22:42:00.000Z-Is_it_too_early_where_you_are?","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-08T00:24:00.000Z-69.181.249.92-2010-10-07T22:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Haha, you know what, I saw your response go by on Recent changes and thought, why is xe wanting to delete xeir own talk page? (Re: the heading of that section.) I thought about leaving you a message when I looked at it, something about beer. Dinner is over, the kids are bathed, so it's time for coffee and work. I had a Great Divide Belgica earlier, very tasty; my new favorite is Brasserie de l'Abbaye du Val-Dieu. OK, it seems that I am on call. Gotta go. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-08T00:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-08T00:24:00.000Z-69.181.249.92-2010-10-07T22:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. You have a new message at GorillaWarfare's talk page. Hello. You have a new message at GorillaWarfare's talk page.

I would like to try and help save The Alliance for Safe Children, although you seem to have done all the work already. I marked the article for rescue. Feel free to revert if you like as I'm a member of ARS. If you don't mind me working on it, I would first like to move the references to the end similar to this if it is OK with you. It makes it easier for me to work on the article. Feel free to say "no" if you feel so inclined. Thanks. -      Hydroxonium (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-08T06:22:00.000Z","author":"Hydroxonium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-08T06:22:00.000Z-May_I_work_on_The_Alliance_for_Safe_Children?","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-08T13:59:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-08T06:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hello Hydroxonium, thanks. I don't claim ownership (though I like the reflist divided by 2; it helps my old eyes) so go ahead. I doubt there will be many sources to add; I think I've pretty much exhausted them, but power to you if you find some. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 13:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-08T13:59:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-08T13:59:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-08T06:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-08T14:26:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-08T13:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks. I'll leave if divided by 2 and just move the stuff to the end. I agree, you went all out on this article and did a fantastic job. Going from AfD to DYK is a HUGE accomplishment. If it is saved, I would like to give you a rescue barstar. If it OK by you, that is. I know people sometimes don't like being associated with ARS, and I can understand that. -      Hydroxonium (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-08T14:26:00.000Z","author":"Hydroxonium","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-08T14:26:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-08T13:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-08T14:31:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-08T14:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, if it is kept, there will be champagne all around. I don't mind being associated with the ARS (MQS and I go way back, and he's a great editor); I'm an equal opportunity offender and am called deletionist and inclusionist equally often, I believe. But don't tell the Colonel that you associated with me, cause that will hurt your reputation. Thanks for whatever you can do, Drmies (talk) 14:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-08T14:31:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-08T14:31:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-08T14:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-10T15:29:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-08T14:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

I humbly bow to the master. I did some extensive searching and you have already found everything that could be there. You ARE the master. So I haven't done anything with the article. -      Hydroxonium (talk) 15:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-10T15:29:00.000Z","author":"Hydroxonium","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-10T15:29:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-08T14:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-11T14:55:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-10T15:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks Hydro--I just hope it's enough. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 14:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-11T14:55:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-11T14:55:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-10T15:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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To quote Ron Ritzman "The result was keep." Congratulations. champagne all around. I'm buying. -      Hydroxonium (talk) 07:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T07:33:00.000Z","author":"Hydroxonium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-12T07:33:00.000Z-May_I_work_on_The_Alliance_for_Safe_Children?","replies":["c-Mandarax-2010-10-12T19:50:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-12T07:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

In case you hadn't noticed, it was removed from the DYK nominations page. At the time, it was still at AfD, but it's not clear if that was the only reason for "disappr". Just thought I should point it out in case you weren't aware of the removal and you wanted to restore it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T19:50:00.000Z","author":"Mandarax","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mandarax-2010-10-12T19:50:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-12T07:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-10-12T19:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, I hadn't--I thought it was in the queue already. Thanks for noticing! I left a note for Rlevse, so we'll see. And Hydroxonium, thanks again. I like Freixenet Brut--Mandarax, what's your poison? ;) Drmies (talk) 20:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-10-12T19:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mandarax-2010-10-12T20:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey, I'll drink anything!
In the interest of full disclosure, a friend once gave me a bottle of homemade Kahlua, and it was so nasty that I couldn't drink it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T20:46:00.000Z","author":"Mandarax","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mandarax-2010-10-12T20:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello DRMIES, I don't know who you are, but I am an Atlanta Police Officer and I am not vandalizing the police department wiki page. It is disrespectful for you to label such as being so. I am brining it up to speed and don't enjoy a large section on controversies. This is not what I want my police department known for. Please stop re-editing my department's wiki page, as I am proud of my department, not of your interpretation of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpd2680 (talk • contribs)

• Sorry, but I don't know who you are either, and this is not about my interpretation of your department (I don't have one) but about the interpretation of Wikipedia's purpose and its rules. Whether you are with that department or not is not really my concern--if you are, though, you have a conflict of interest and should probably stay away from it. As I explained in my note on your talk page, your edits were not in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. Copyright violation, for instance, is against the law and is not accepted here. Improvements to the article are welcomed, but they need to be in agreement with our guidelines. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-08T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-08T15:52:00.000Z-Atlanta_Police","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! Your submission of Ter Apel Monastery at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 11:20, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-10T11:20:00.000Z","author":"Yoninah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yoninah-2010-10-10T11:20:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_Ter_Apel_Monastery","replies":["c-Yoninah-2010-10-10T15:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2010-10-10T11:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please see my reply on the talk page. Yoninah (talk) 15:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-10T15:32:00.000Z","author":"Yoninah","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yoninah-2010-10-10T15:32:00.000Z-Yoninah-2010-10-10T11:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Mies. Please help expand the Alshon Jeffery article. Thank you! Tigersarecomingforyou (talk) 20:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-11T20:32:00.000Z","author":"Tigersarecomingforyou","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tigersarecomingforyou-2010-10-11T20:32:00.000Z-Article_expansion","replies":[]}}-->

 Done Drmies (talk) 21:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-11T21:04:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-11T21:04:00.000Z-Article_expansion","replies":["c-Tigersarecomingforyou-2010-10-12T00:43:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-11T21:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Also, now that Mark Barron's shortcomings have been exposed on national tv (again), do you think his notability should be revisited? I'm not sure we can accurately depict what he is most notable for, e.g. getting taken to school repeatedly by Alshon and the SC offense, without violating BLP guidelines against covering a living subject only for getting completely dominated again and again. Please advise at your earliest convenience. And keep in mind he hasn't even had to face Auburn and leading Heisman candidate Cameron Newton's unstoppable passing connections to Darvin Adams...Tigersarecomingforyou (talk) 00:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T00:43:00.000Z","author":"Tigersarecomingforyou","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tigersarecomingforyou-2010-10-12T00:43:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-11T21:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, User:Drmies. Thank you for the edit you made in the lead to my article. I fully agree with your points. The "but are not limited to" line wasn't one of my contributions. If memory serves, I first noticed that line somewhere around September 25th. Please feel free to make any changes you deem necessary to improve the article. Ronsax (talk) 00:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","author":"Ronsax","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z-Thank_You","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T00:18:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","c-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:40:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","c-Ronsax-2010-10-12T01:21:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","c-Ronsax-2010-10-12T02:07:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Glad to be of service. An artist like Ron Holloway doesn't need namedropping in a Wikipedia article. Keep the faith! Drmies (talk) 00:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T00:18:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T00:18:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• User:Drmies, there are about three citation needed notices in the Ron Holloway article. (Two in the 2000 to 2010 section and one in the Susan Tedeschi paragraph.) If I pass along references to you, could you apply them to the article if you get a free moment? I don't want to infringe on your time. Thank you, Ronsax (talk) 00:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T00:40:00.000Z","author":"Ronsax","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:40:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T00:50:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • I can't make any promises, and it depends on the quality of the sources, but I'll be glad to have a look. Drmies (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T00:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T00:50:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• Much appreciated! The sentence "Their first 'official' performance took place at Irving Plaza in New York City" (in the Susan Tedeschi paragraph) can be omitted! There is no way of proving that statement with a legitimate reference. I'll send you the other two references shortly. Thanks! Ronsax (talk) 01:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T01:21:00.000Z","author":"Ronsax","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronsax-2010-10-12T01:21:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T01:26:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T01:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Ron--hold on a second. You are not barred from editing the article, there is no block on you, and while I'm happy to help out improving articles, I can't edit for you by proxy (not unless you pay me huge sums of money, and get me into the Lincoln Center, backstage...). Whatever conflict of interest there may be (and that is obvious, though it doesn't have to make the article less reliable) will not be alleviated by my intervention. So please do let me know if I can help, but realize that I won't be editing for you, so to speak. All the best, Drmies (talk) 01:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T01:26:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T01:26:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T01:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• Thanks for making those points, Drmies! I will edit my article--VERY carefully! We'll follow up on the "backstage at the Lincoln Center or Beacon Theater" idea at some future date! Not as bribery, of course!! Hahaha! Ronsax (talk) 02:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T02:07:00.000Z","author":"Ronsax","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronsax-2010-10-12T02:07:00.000Z-Ronsax-2010-10-12T00:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Drmies I hope I am putting this message to you in the right place. I am new to Wikipedia, but I already have put up a page about 'Leonard Shoobridge' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Shoobridge)

I have two issues I need help with. First, I wanted to add a photo of Leonard, and contacted Spaceman to find out how to do this. He asked me to provide some assurance or proof that it was not copyright. The photo is a copy of an original held by a second cousin (now deceased). I was given verbal permission by her to copy the photo some 20 years ago.

Secondly, I want now to put up a new article (Wikipedia entry) on Maurice Ingram. I have posted it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Peter71947

I contacted Spaceman about this, as follows:

Spaceman I have created a new section on my Wikipedia (Edward Maurice Ingram) page which I want to make public (if it is not already). I understand it will have to comply with the

suitability guidelines. You were very helpful with the page I put up on Leonard Shoobridge. Awaiting further information from you.

Thanks

Peter71947 (talk) 02:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

He replied Sorry, I don't have much onwiki time now to help on this. You could try User:Drmies who may be able to help you. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

So - Drmies - can I put the photo of Leonard on his page? If so, how? And what should I do next to get Maurice Ingram 'public'?

Peter Peter71947 (talk) 00:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T00:29:00.000Z","author":"Peter71947","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter71947-2010-10-12T00:29:00.000Z-Maurice_Ingram_entry_-_help!","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T00:35:00.000Z-Peter71947-2010-10-12T00:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Peter, I can be brief on the photo issue: I know very little about those matters; the fine people at Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons do. Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, and look for "help" on the navigation panel, on the left. I've only contributed a few images to Commons and prefer to ask them about the copyright stuff--it can get complicated. Let me get back to you on the other issue after I put a kid to bed. Are you sure you're not talking about Mark Ingram, Jr.? ;) Drmies (talk) 00:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T00:35:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T00:35:00.000Z-Peter71947-2010-10-12T00:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the friendly repy. In the page Wikipedia:Uploading images, (under Procedure to upload), it said "You can upload an image by using the Upload file link in the toolbox, which is a link to Special:Upload." But I can only see, in the pop-up under the icon to the right of Insert, 'Picture Gallery'. It inserts the following: In the top line of the toobar, there is another picture icon, with the pop-up 'Embedded File'. it inserts

• 
  Caption1
• 
  Caption2

Do I need to create a gallery?

• • I made a sandbox for you, User:Peter71947/sandbox, and pasted in there what was on your talk page. I think you should have a close look at the edits User:Tim riley made to your other article; whatever they did you should consider doing for the Ingram article, especially when it comes to references. Good luck, and drop me a line if you have specific questions! Drmies (talk) 01:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T01:15:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T01:15:00.000Z-Maurice_Ingram_entry_-_help!","replies":[]}}-->

A specific question: I looked at the edits (I assume Tim Riley did them) but I cannot work out how the following (that appears on the edit page of the References):

References {{reflist}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Shoobridge, Leonard}} [[Category:1858 births]] [[Category:1935 deaths]] [[Category:Alumni of Balliol College, Oxford]] [[Category:Classical archaeologists]] [[Category:English archaeologists]] [[Category:English poets]]

...is related to the References. I understand these are likely to be related to the (blue coloured) links in the references... but even if that's true???

Peter Peter71947 (talk) 05:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T05:07:00.000Z","author":"Peter71947","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter71947-2010-10-15T05:07:00.000Z-Maurice_Ingram_entry_-_help!","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-15T16:26:00.000Z-Peter71947-2010-10-15T05:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hello Peter, how are you? It took me a minute to figure out what you were talking about precisely with the gallery and all that, and I think you're not at the right page: clicking "Upload file" should bring you to Wikipedia:Upload, and then there's a series of questions/steps to follow; the licensing is the difficult part, and I have little or no knowledge of that. User:Moonriddengirl is often my go-to editor if I have questions. As for the references-stuff, what you copied above (and I messed with it a bit, because the copying added the categories to my talk page) also includes the categories under which the article is listed--important navigational and organizational devices for articles, see Wikipedia:Categorization. They aren't related to the references; they are the last thing on every page and don't have a separate heading. Does this help? I'm going to place a welcome template on your talk page with some useful links, which will bring you to WP:CITE, for instance, and there is a direct link to Wikipedia:Your first article. I think you should follow that link and play around a bit in your sandbox with that article. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 16:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T16:26:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-15T16:26:00.000Z-Peter71947-2010-10-15T05:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. You deleted a handful of links to not only interesting content, but 100% verifiable and WP:reliable sources. If you're not willing to put in the effort to use the links in order to write an article, then please don't just delete the content. Either tag the section with an {{External links}} banner, so that editors attention is drawn to it; or at the absolute minimum, copy the content to the talkpage of the article, so that other editors who do have the time or interest, can do so. We're all trying to help each other build an encyclopedia, which is that much harder when the potential source material that people have added is just deleted out of hand. Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 05:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T05:45:00.000Z","author":"Quiddity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quiddity-2010-10-12T05:45:00.000Z-Deleting_potential_references","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T15:25:00.000Z-Quiddity-2010-10-12T05:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks for your note. I made a comment or two on the article talk page, and I hope you have noted that I cut selectively, with what I consider a good reason to do so. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T15:25:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T15:25:00.000Z-Quiddity-2010-10-12T05:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Quiddity-2010-10-12T19:35:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T15:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Hi. Thanks for your friendly response; sorry if I was a bit terse in my initial comments last night. I've replied to your comments at Talk:Spencer Wells#Potential references.
    If you're enjoying Borges, I highly recommend Italo Calvino (if you haven't read him already), particularly Invisible Cities (not linked, to avoid spoilers). That book, and Alan Lightman's Einstein's Dreams, are my two most re-read books over the last decade. See you around the 'pedia. :) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T19:35:00.000Z","author":"Quiddity","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Quiddity-2010-10-12T19:35:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T15:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		In recognition of your incredible effort and excellent referencing in rescuing The Alliance for Safe Children, I hereby award the Rescue Barnstar to Drmies. You did a great job in rescuing a very worth article. Thanks so much. - Hydroxonium (talk) 07:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T07:45:00.000Z","author":"Hydroxonium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-12T07:45:00.000Z-A_Barnstar_for_you","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the great rescue. -      Hydroxonium (talk) 07:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T07:45:00.000Z","author":"Hydroxonium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hydroxonium-2010-10-12T07:45:00.000Z-A_Barnstar_for_you-1","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-12T07:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks Hydroxonium; I feel that this is really too much honor, but a barn star does liven up the place. ;) Drmies (talk) 20:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z-Hydroxonium-2010-10-12T07:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-FeydHuxtable-2010-10-13T11:15:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I was just comming to award you this! You definetly deserve it, a most worthy article and those sources cant have been easy to find. FeydHuxtable (talk) 11:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-13T11:15:00.000Z","author":"FeydHuxtable","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FeydHuxtable-2010-10-13T11:15:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks Drmies for this compliment. Nice work too, by the way. — SpikeToronto 19:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T19:17:00.000Z","author":"SpikeToronto","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T19:17:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_compliment","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T19:24:00.000Z-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T19:17:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spike"}}-->

• No, not at all--you did a great job rewriting that paragraph. I made some copyedits, but you grabbed the bull by the horns and made it an acceptable section. BTW, I did peruse the Guardian and Google archives and could not find an "original" for that Spanish Connection; if I had, I would not have removed the section. So kudos to you for finding it, and for putting your money where your mouth is. I'm doing a bit more tweaking on the antisemitism section, but I can't find in Gabler's biography where he renounces the antisemites in the 1950s; the original reference came without URL and without page numbers. Drmies (talk) 19:24, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T19:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T19:24:00.000Z-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T19:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T20:08:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T19:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Do you have Eliot’s 1993 biography? It would be interesting to see what it has to say on the topic of Disney and antisemitism. Also, if you cannot find what the other wikieditor indicates is in Gabler, try the {{Verify source}} or {{Page needed}} tag and see if s/he adds a page number.

As for me, I do not usually edit this article. However, I was the first person to revert the Spain stuff when the IP editor inserted it. But, I only did so because s/he provided no verifiable reference/citation. When I later saw his/her entreaty on the article talk page, I wanted to let him/her know what s/he was being reverted and how s/he could fix the problem. I don’t expect, however, that I’ll be a regular editor on the article.

Thanks again, by the way. Sometimes one feels invisible around here. — SpikeToronto 20:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T20:08:00.000Z","author":"SpikeToronto","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T20:08:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-12T19:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:11:00.000Z-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T20:08:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spike"}}-->

Haha, I know the feeling. ;) Yes, I agree, those tags are an option, but they require that one keep an eye on the article, and I am not always able to do that, so I prefer to edit by what I know I can verify, esp. when it involves contentious stuff. If the editor who wrote the paragraph wants to revisit it, that's fine (though it sounds like it was the author's agent who wrote that....). And I'm glad you engaged in conversation; had they given a better source or a better explanation (edit summary) I would have done the same thing, but at the moment I came along it all seemed a bit hard-headed. Hey, happy days to you, see you next time--by chance or not. Drmies (talk) 20:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T20:11:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-12T20:11:00.000Z-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T20:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I also responded to him/her on the talk page because another editor who responded prior to me was rather snippy and not really helpful. I’d rather try to help and guide a new editor. So, I was hoping s/he would write a draft and then I would come back and edit it. As luck would have it, it actually worked out that way! (How often does that happen, I ask you?)

By the way, you may want to participate in the row that is brewing on the talk page regarding the inclusion of the Spain stuff. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 20:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-12T20:37:00.000Z","author":"SpikeToronto","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpikeToronto-2010-10-12T20:37:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_compliment","replies":[],"displayName":"Spike"}}-->

For your information, the gangster story about The 222s second 7" is true and has been reported in many newspapers like Hour and Mirror and the Gazette. It's even in some of the references. Terveetkadet (talk)

• Which references? Besides the booklet, there's an article in The Hour, which basically consists of an interview. But it doesn't matter--I don't really care, and I didn't do any substantial edits to the article and have no intention of doing so. All I did was fix grammatical and other mistakes. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 01:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-13T01:58:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-13T01:58:00.000Z-The_222's_and_gangsters","replies":[]}}-->

I've replied to your message on my user talk. Tiderolls 03:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-13T03:23:00.000Z","author":"Tide rolls","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tide_rolls-2010-10-13T03:23:00.000Z-Erm...","replies":[],"displayName":"Tide"}}-->

Thank you for your very proper edit to this article.--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 06:37, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-13T06:37:00.000Z","author":"OddMNilsen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-OddMNilsen-2010-10-13T06:37:00.000Z-aaacccCCEPT!!!!","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-13T17:05:00.000Z-OddMNilsen-2010-10-13T06:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Odd M. Nilsen"}}-->

• Haha, thanks. I'm sure there's more to Accept than "Son of a Bitch, Kiss My Ass," but I never heard it. Oh, I saw that you've been working on some familiar things, familiar to me--Lovedrive, for instance. I just got Tokyo Tapes and Unleashed in the East in, reliving the good old days. Keep on rocking, Drmies (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-13T17:05:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-13T17:05:00.000Z-OddMNilsen-2010-10-13T06:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-13T17:08:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-13T17:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Hey, any chance you can turn Victim of Changes (song) into a GA? ;) Drmies (talk) 17:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-13T17:08:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-13T17:08:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-13T17:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ever been to Malta? I am considering being a Third Country National there. That link really isn't what I am talking about...example, where I am, employees that are neither Canadian (my company), or Mongolian are considered TCNs. I suppose in Malta the EU is the second country... Cheers. kelapstick (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-13T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-13T12:01:00.000Z-Question","replies":["c-Bongomatic-2010-10-14T02:40:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-13T12:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

It appears that Malta enjoys a somewhat warmer climate than that of Mongolia. ^Bongo_matic 02:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-14T02:40:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-10-14T02:40:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-13T12:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:57:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-10-14T02:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, I'd pick Malta over many, many other places. And there's that medieval mystery, the Knights Templar--I say go! Don't just settle for a piece of paper, move! But I tell you, home buyers there are on HGTV every now and then, and it ain't cheap anymore. Then again, if it's in the EU, maybe you get communistic things like affordable health and child care, and what not... Drmies (talk) 02:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-14T02:57:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:57:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-10-14T02:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-10-14T06:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

It does look much nicer than Mongolia, although I would still have to be in Mongolia for the majority of the year, I would know that when I left here, whatever time of year it was, I would still be able to wear shorts at home. The housing still looks reasonable, and the tax burden is negligable. I would get the best of both worlds, capitalist tax rates and socialist values. Perhaps I must take a trip there this spring and check it out.--kelapstick (talk) 06:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-14T06:05:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-14T06:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 13 October 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ter Apel Monastery, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing my typo. You are indeed endowed with special powers! Cunard (talk) 02:17, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-14T02:17:00.000Z","author":"Cunard","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cunard-2010-10-14T02:17:00.000Z-Thank_you_2","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:58:00.000Z-Cunard-2010-10-14T02:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sorry, I couldn't resist. Mind you, I probably saw it because I have to check my spelling constantly whenever I type that odd name. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-14T02:58:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:58:00.000Z-Cunard-2010-10-14T02:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cunard-2010-10-14T04:58:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I'm glad you liked the ACLG. I even had a small chat with its creator last year: User talk:Spakin. Have you tried Death Risk Rankings? Cunard (talk) 04:58, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-14T04:58:00.000Z","author":"Cunard","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cunard-2010-10-14T04:58:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-14T02:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Nice catch on that anon removing referneced content. [4] Keep up the good work! --Oakshade (talk) 03:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T03:44:00.000Z","author":"Oakshade","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oakshade-2010-10-15T03:44:00.000Z-Jerry_Brown","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-15T03:46:00.000Z-Oakshade-2010-10-15T03:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks! We do what we can on a budget. Drmies (talk) 03:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T03:46:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-15T03:46:00.000Z-Oakshade-2010-10-15T03:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Whoops! An established editor reverted your edit with the strange summary "Consesus should be formed to remove a referenced claim unless it absolutely false."[5]. This user is very steadfast in this and I don't want to bread 3RR. You might want to look into it. --Oakshade (talk) 05:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T05:27:00.000Z","author":"Oakshade","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oakshade-2010-10-15T05:27:00.000Z-Jerry_Brown","replies":["c-Oakshade-2010-10-15T05:33:00.000Z-Oakshade-2010-10-15T05:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

As the user below stated, it was a comedy of errors. Thanks again for catching that very POV edit. --Oakshade (talk) 05:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T05:33:00.000Z","author":"Oakshade","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Oakshade-2010-10-15T05:33:00.000Z-Oakshade-2010-10-15T05:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I somehow managed to miss it and udid your undo. It has been recovered. Apologies for bad eyes.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T05:32:00.000Z","author":"Amadscientist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amadscientist-2010-10-15T05:32:00.000Z-Thanks_for_the_undu_on_Jerry_Brown","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-15T16:06:00.000Z-Amadscientist-2010-10-15T05:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

• No problem; thanks for the note. I need reading glasses myself. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 16:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T16:06:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-15T16:06:00.000Z-Amadscientist-2010-10-15T05:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, Drmies, hope you are doing well! :) Just was wondering if you are participating in WP:Bacon, this time round? Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 11:05, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T11:05:00.000Z","author":"Cirt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cirt-2010-10-15T11:05:00.000Z-Bacon","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-15T16:10:00.000Z-Cirt-2010-10-15T11:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Cirt, I am fine, thanks! Yourself? Is there any bacon left? And what if I told you that my wife says she is "baconed out," and that I might actually agree with her, for once? I was pleased to get that Bacon family of ministers last time, but I don't know about this time around...please don't be dismayed if I don't contribute; these are busy times. Thanks for your note, though, and I'll keep it in mind. Drmies (talk) 16:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T16:10:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-15T16:10:00.000Z-Cirt-2010-10-15T11:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 15 October 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Alliance for Safe Children, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-10-15T12:01:00.000Z-DYK_for_The_Alliance_for_Safe_Children","replies":[]}}-->

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did to Prostitution of children, you will be blocked from editing. Use of the word "awesome" here is beyond offensive. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edit, consider creating an account for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.78.214 (talk) 19:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-15T19:55:00.000Z","author":"71.237.78.214","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.237.78.214-2010-10-15T19:55:00.000Z-lol","replies":[]}}-->

In the matter of the matter.... Thank you very much! I was going to thank you via private email, but I decided that I wanted to more publicly say what an extremely nice, thoughtful, and generous person you are. Thanks again! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-16T01:22:00.000Z","author":"Mandarax","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mandarax-2010-10-16T01:22:00.000Z-Thanks!","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-16T02:27:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-10-16T01:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Aw shucks Mandarax, you didn't have to do that. But I appreciate it! Small favors are done easily and gladly. I can't say I've become a Vonnegut fan, though. Have you read JLB? I just got done with The Aleph, which was a trip. Enjoy your weekend! Drmies (talk) 02:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-16T02:27:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-16T02:27:00.000Z-Mandarax-2010-10-16T01:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mandarax-2010-10-16T04:20:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-16T02:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, I've never read Borges, but The Aleph looks interesting, and seems like something which I would probably enjoy. I'll put reading it on my list of things to do eventually someday. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:20, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-16T04:20:00.000Z","author":"Mandarax","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mandarax-2010-10-16T04:20:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-16T02:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Bacon has been created, and you are cordially invited to join, and list yourself as a participant at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Bacon#Participants!
• You may also feel free to add the userbox - {{User Bacon}} - to your userpage, to indicate your participation in the WikiProject.
• The Wikipedia:Bacon WikiCup is also ongoing, more info about that at User:SuperHamster/Bacon Challenge 2011, and User:SuperHamster/Bacon WikiCup 2011.

Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 08:35, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-16T08:35:00.000Z","author":"Cirt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cirt-2010-10-16T08:35:00.000Z-Invitation_to_join_WikiProject_Bacon_!","replies":[]}}-->

Semi-colons are the most abused punctuation on Wikipedia.

They partnered with the Royal Life Saving Society Australia in establishing an International Drowning Research Centre based in Dhaka, Bangladesh, with help from the Australian government; in Bangladesh, an estimated 46 children drown each day, and four times as many nearly drown.

What you have here is not two clauses but two discrete sentences. When sentences are joined by a semi-colon, it indicates not simply that the subject matter is related, but that the statements balance each other. That semi-colon is a bit like a fulcrum. It is used when a conjunction is not as effective, but the subject matter of the two parts is related to a degree that keeping them within a single sentence communicates more effectively than otherwise.

eg: The Government provided the money; the RLSSA provided the expertise., He said he was going to the party, but he didn't; he went to the pub.. The train stops at St Mary's to set down; it doesn't pick up.

Your second sentence here is really a "because" sentence that could be linked with a conjunction, but because the first sentence is already long, with two explanations attached to it, another addition was not appropriate.

Moreover, the transitive verb used here is "partnered". ie this sentences is about the partnering with the RLSSA, it isn't about "establishing". So the matter of number of drownings doesn't relate directly to the matter of the sentence.

If the sentence stated: They, with the RLSSA and the help of the Australian Government, established an International Drowning Research Centre in Dhaka Bangladesh.... you can the add because in that country, an estimated....

Hope this is useful! Amandajm (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-16T13:20:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amandajm-2010-10-16T13:20:00.000Z-Semi-colons","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-16T14:03:00.000Z-Amandajm-2010-10-16T13:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks. Semicolons, in American English, can be used to indicate a mild case of cause and effect, as in my original sentence. "Improper," as I tell my students in my Advanced English Grammar class, means wrong, and I teach them that there is a big difference between something being wrong and something being less than elegant. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 14:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-16T14:03:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-16T14:03:00.000Z-Amandajm-2010-10-16T13:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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On 17 October 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ekgmowechashala, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks as always for your quick work on reverting talk page vandalism.  7  04:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-18T04:52:00.000Z","author":"7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-7-2010-10-18T04:52:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-18T04:58:00.000Z-7-2010-10-18T04:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

• No, thank you! Drmies (talk) 04:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-18T04:58:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-18T04:58:00.000Z-7-2010-10-18T04:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies, I appreciate your work here. But I'd like to notice that it would be more accurate to attribute the movie to the ERA-Net Neuron rather than the Israelis, since the former is a pan-European organisation where the Israeli Ministry of Health is a partner, specifically responsible for "science to society". 85.65.243.51 (talk) 18:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-18T18:11:00.000Z","author":"85.65.243.51","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-85.65.243.51-2010-10-18T18:11:00.000Z-About_ERA-Nets","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-18T18:49:00.000Z-85.65.243.51-2010-10-18T18:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I can't judge what's what. Since the Ministry's name is on it, and since ERA doesn't have a wiki article, I picked the former. You are welcome to change it as you see fit and deem more appropriate, of course. Drmies (talk) 18:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-18T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-18T18:49:00.000Z-85.65.243.51-2010-10-18T18:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please read my response at the discussion page and let me know what you think. 85.65.243.51 (talk) 21:19, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-18T21:19:00.000Z","author":"85.65.243.51","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-85.65.243.51-2010-10-18T21:19:00.000Z-About_ERA-Nets","replies":[]}}-->

Here Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-20T19:07:00.000Z","author":"Beyond My Ken","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Beyond_My_Ken-2010-10-20T19:07:00.000Z-SPI_filed","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-20T20:01:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2010-10-20T19:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thank you so much. I'll repeat my thanks on your talk, for all your stalkers. Drmies (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-20T20:01:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-20T20:01:00.000Z-Beyond_My_Ken-2010-10-20T19:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have reverted the WudangQuan page, as it was vandalized by someone who used no citations, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyKirchhoff (talk • contribs) 17:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T17:46:00.000Z","author":"TommyKirchhoff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T17:46:00.000Z-Wudang_Revert","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-22T17:50:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T17:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

• They offered a rationale on the article talk page. Since the article was confused--it didn't define its topic, and was written like an essay--I have redirected it to Neijia. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:50, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T17:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-22T17:50:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T17:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry, you are incorrect and inaccurate to redirect the page to Neija. That term is much more broad than Wudang. Now please leave the page alone unless you're going to do things correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyKirchhoff (talk • contribs)

• Do I assume correctly that you are saying "sorry" to apologize for accusing me of vandalism? Please sign your name next time. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-22T17:56:00.000Z-Wudang_Revert","replies":["c-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-22T17:56:00.000Z","c-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:29:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-22T17:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, I'm not. You clearly did not read the sentence at the top which describes how neija is a more broad term than Wudangquan. If you also read the pages for Tai Chi, BaGua, and XingYi, you will find the same message on all of those pages as well. These topics have been covered ad-nauseum. So please do some reading and research of the articles, the discussions, and outside references before you make changes that you are not informed about. "Sorry" to ruffle your feathers. TommyKirchhoff (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC) TommyKirchhoff (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T18:02:00.000Z","author":"TommyKirchhoff","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-22T17:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-22T18:05:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think I am a somewhat informed about Wikipedia guidelines, thank you very much. It seems to me that you wrote an article on something other than the name of the article suggests. Start by refining the topic and giving a definition of it--one which can be verified. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T18:05:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-22T18:05:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I do beg your pardon, Sir, I but have studied privately and intensely under the top Wudangquan Grandmaster for seven years. My understanding of the topic isn't merely a coagulation of information that I read from internet sources. In fact, the citations I used are clear, and come from other authorities on the topic-- Sun Lu Tang being the worldwide authority until his death in the early 20th century. You may know more about Wikipedia guidelines than I do, but your lack of knowledge in this particular realm is disconcerting to folks like me who are trying in earnest to represent topics through real-world knowledge, ethical and authoritative references, and hard work. So in this case, you're not helping; you're just antagonizing someone who actually knows and understands this topic. fyi, there are serious problems with writing about pieces of Chinese culture as there are no translations of words and subjects, multiple spellings of para-translations, and absolute chaos when it comes to trying to find a literary reference to something as ubiquitous as the difference between neijia and Wudang. TommyKirchhoff (talk) 18:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T18:29:00.000Z","author":"TommyKirchhoff","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:29:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-22T17:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-22T18:57:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, I beg your pardon, master--but there is nothing clear about the article you produced. It is an amalgamate of argumentative essay writing on many topics except for the one at hand. Whether you are an expert or not in this field is, of course, relevant--but if you wish to argue that a coherent article that meets Wikipedia's guidelines cannot be written because of language issues, I'd like to refer you to Aikido. What I suggest you do is rewrite the article, beginning with a clear definition of terms that is based on reliable sources per WP:RS. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T18:57:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-22T18:57:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T18:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Nothing clear about the article I produced ? Are you one of those Somalian onlookers who likes to spend his days antagonizing people on Wikipedia in a language you don't understand ? Or are you just a critic with an IQ under 100 ?

"The self-proclaimed aristocrat-- who prides himself on the CRITIQUE of others-- is merely trying to overcome his own inadequacies."^{[citation needed]} TommyKirchhoff (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T19:03:00.000Z","author":"TommyKirchhoff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T19:03:00.000Z-Wudang_Revert","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-22T19:08:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T19:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

• That would be funny in more ways than one--if it didn't exhibit such a racist and oddly elitist mindset. Now kindly refrain from posting on my talk page, and I will kindly refrain from slapping a personal attack template on your talk page. I did take the liberty of adding a "citation needed" template to that idiotic quote. Drmies (talk) 19:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-22T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-22T19:08:00.000Z-TommyKirchhoff-2010-10-22T19:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Drmies,

You have declared that the tone of my update was entirely inappropriate for the Gadsden flag section, and cited that a company selling a helmet mount is an unreliable source. There are several things I would like to point out to you. First the "source" was used to illustrate new variations of the Gadsden flag that are being produced today. So the source was used just to be able to use the picture of their Gadsden flag and illustrate new interpretations that are out there today. I would also like to point out that it appears that WONKETTE has posted their "TEABAGGER" information which is a vulgar attack at one of Americas first flags and is insulting to the flags heritage and true meaning, which is rooted in the American revolution not the TEA PARTY movement. Personally I do not care if the TEA PARTY section is in their and I do not care if the WONKETTE opposition paragraph and link (WHICH GO's to their company website) is included either because it is important to see both sides of the issue as it relates to the Gadsden flag and how it is being used today.

When I made my edit my inclusion of the "WHICH PIT VIPER INSPIRED THE GADSDEN FLAG" section was not the only thing I edited. There were several areas which I am sure you can view which I changed "Dont Step on me" back to "Dont Tread on me" as it is supposed to appear. There is no evidence of don't step on me anywhere, it has always been don't tread on me. I also changed the Tea party symbol heading from Tea party symbol to tea party symbol so that it is the proper heading to the knew section. The rest of the article which I wrote and did not source from a website is simply fact. The only recorded information about Benjamin Franklins design for his cartoon was that it was inspired by a rattle snake. Not specifically a timber or eastern diamond back rattle snake, but a rattle snake. There is no journal book or remaining Gadsden flag to specifically point to the TIMBER rattler as the true inspiration. Originally this article pointed to the eastern diamond back rattler as the inspiration although that was a long time past by this point. I have followed this specific page for many years. I grew up in NEW YORK and as a child marched in town parades waving these flags and they lined the auditorium of my grade school.

So unless you can produce specific information from some journal dating back to 1776 or produce one of the original Gadsden flags showing the TIMBER rattlers pattern it is incorrect to proclaim that the TIMBER was the only inspiration for the Gadsden flag. It should be contributed to both the TIMBER and EASTERN DIAMOND BACK rattler. As I pointed out the original 13 colonies geographically contained both TIMBER and EASTERN DIAMOND BACKS. And the only officially documented designer of the Gadsden flag was in fact Christopher Gadsden when he presented his standard to his South Carolina cohorts. To blindly say that the information I presented was incorrect is no more incorrect then to allow persons to defame the page by changing tread to step and to allow TIMBER as apposed to EASTERN DIAMOND BACK to be declared the only inspiration.

I believe that I noted several true points in my addition. Please reconsider my submission as note worthy. Furthermore if the tone of my writing was incorrect then offer revision ideas that still embrace my contribution and I will gladly revise what I have written.

SPIRITOF1776HRT —Preceding unsigned comment added by SPIRITOF1776HRT (talk • contribs) 01:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T01:40:00.000Z","author":"SPIRITOF1776HRT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SPIRITOF1776HRT-2010-10-23T01:40:00.000Z-Gadsden_flag","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-23T01:58:00.000Z-SPIRITOF1776HRT-2010-10-23T01:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Spirit, you misunderstand: I never said that anything was incorrect. If you want to change "step" to "tread," or vice versa, or replace it all with "dance," that is fine with me (same with the Tea Party heading--that is no problem whatsoever, if you have a good reason for it, and I am sure you are right). What is not so fine is to add content based on a website that sells stuff. It is not a reliable source; it's that simple, and such a source is not acceptable even if the edit was simply meant to suggest what current flags look like. What you have to say about Timber goes right over my head, but I would like to suggest you have a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Also not so fine is to simply reinstate, with pretty much the exact same edit summary, what was removed (with an explanation!) in the first place. As for inappropriate style--"If you view the Gadsden Flag at the top of this page, it is obviously a diamond back rattle snake" is simply not encyclopedic. For starters, we don't use second person, and we don't refer to the article itself; and what follows is lengthy commentary mixed with some personal observation which may well be correct, but that is not the point: again, see WP:Verifiability, one of the pillars of the project.

  Now, I've just added two references to the article (and made some minor corrections)--as it turns out, there are plenty of useful sources in Google Books, see this search, so one doesn't have to resort to a website that will never be accepted here as a reliable source. Moreover, if only such websites report the info that you want to add, it is possible, even probable, that the info is not notable in an encyclopedia. Thanks for your note, and I hope this helps. All the best. Drmies (talk) 01:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T01:58:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T01:58:00.000Z-SPIRITOF1776HRT-2010-10-23T01:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

OK DRMIES,

I am not well versed with making revisions or adding new content. I would like to make the step to tread changes as well as clean up the tea party symbol header as I mentioned. I would also like to be able to contribute the "INSPIRATION for the Gadsden flag" section that I added as well as point out new renditions of the Gadsden flag that are being produced today; and I would like to do these things while following WIKIPEDIA rules and writing in the correct tone for the page. So any additional help or ideas would be much appreciated.

Spirit —Preceding unsigned comment added by SPIRITOF1776HRT (talk • contribs) 02:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T02:08:00.000Z","author":"SPIRITOF1776HRT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SPIRITOF1776HRT-2010-10-23T02:08:00.000Z-Gadsden_flag","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-23T02:21:00.000Z-SPIRITOF1776HRT-2010-10-23T02:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Spirit, to make it easy on other editors, it's often best to make the small tweaks separately from large changes, so that not all your work is undone if a grumpy old man like me disagrees with one part of it. So make those--and then go and see if you can write that "new flag" section in a short, concise paragraph; but I have to warn you that such a section would need reliable sources. In other words, if the newspaper (or any other reliable source, of course) doesn't write about it, it's not notable (to put it very stereotypically). Good luck, and thanks for your contributions. Drmies (talk) 02:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T02:21:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T02:21:00.000Z-SPIRITOF1776HRT-2010-10-23T02:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

DRMIES,

I believe that identifying "NEWSPAPER" as a reliable source for information in this day and age would make you an unreliable source!

SPIRITOF1776HRT 02:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

• I'm old enough that I still read them, too. Thanks, and happy editing. Don't let people like me bring you down. ;) Drmies (talk) 02:29, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T02:29:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T02:29:00.000Z-Gadsden_flag","replies":[]}}-->

But I understand what you are getting at!

SPIRITOF1776HRT 02:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SPIRITOF1776HRT (talk • contribs)

You wrote: "wow. a. this is rollback abuse: there was no vandalism. b. bink is right: terrible writing. c. source does not even verify the info in the edit. d. an abstract of an unpublished paper?"

A. The only abuse here was that Bink deleted the references to a relevant, peer-reviewed paper. And he -- if it was him -- inserted a poor, angry Huckabee quote. B. I have a pending M.A. in English and I don't see it as terrible writing. C. The source is all about this info. D. The paper was published not once, but twice. ᴳᴿᴲᴳᴼᴿᴵᴷ☺ᶤᶯᵈᶸᶩᶢᵉ 11:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T11:04:00.000Z","author":"Gregorik","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gregorik-2010-10-23T11:04:00.000Z-American_exceptionalism","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z-Gregorik-2010-10-23T11:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u1d33\u1d3f\u1d32\u1d33\u1d3c\u1d3f\u1d35\u1d37"}}-->

• I obviously disagree. If I had to grade the paper, "The notion of being an example was not a given" would be marked as verbose and unclear (my MA is no longer pending). In an academic class, "the source is all about this info" may work, but not here, since it's an act of interpretation, given that "the source" is an abstract which doesn't mention of anything being "a given" or "the will of God."

  You claim the paper was published twice (mind you, I never said it was published even once)--where was that paper published? All I can find, in Google Scholar and Google Web, is the abstract you linked. I have zero hits in JSTOR as well. If it is published twice, why not have at least one of those in the reference?

  Furthermore, I don't see any consensus on the talk page for your changes--even if there were, marking it as vandalism (which you implicitly do by using rollback) indicates you are not exercising good faith. So, I'm sorry, but I'm standing by my comments. Rollback is a very handy tool, but it is to be used with caution, and such content disputes, until an editor gets massively disruptive or acts outrageously against established consensus, should not be contaminated with the accusation of vandalism. Drmies (talk) 15:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z-Gregorik-2010-10-23T11:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:37:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:48:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","c-Gregorik-2010-10-23T15:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","c-Binksternet-2010-10-23T17:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

  • Note: I read your response to Floquenbeam, and I think that's the right way to respond. Happy editing. Drmies (talk) 15:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T15:37:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:37:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
  • Gregorik, I'll tell you something else: If I could, I'd take back the "wow" and the "abuse" and label it "incorrect" or "inappropriate use." My apologies for sounding too harsh. Drmies (talk) 15:48, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T15:48:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:48:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

No problem, point taken then. The paper was published by Ghent University (downloadable from their site) and by the University of Lodz: Lodz Papers in Pragmatism, 2007, volume 3, pages: 119-136. Frankly, the lead currently reads like a self-applauding piece written by very conservative Republicans for Republicans. What do you suggest? ᴳᴿᴲᴳᴼᴿᴵᴷ☺ᶤᶯᵈᶸᶩᶢᵉ 15:54, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T15:54:00.000Z","author":"Gregorik","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gregorik-2010-10-23T15:54:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-23T16:46:00.000Z-Gregorik-2010-10-23T15:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u1d33\u1d3f\u1d32\u1d33\u1d3c\u1d3f\u1d35\u1d37"}}-->

[I'll copy this to the article talk page as well, so that more people can disagree--that's America too.] I don't know, Gregorik. I think the lead is too short and insufficient. To me, it doesn't read very Republican, and I think that the Huckabee sentiment balances out the opposing view: I would not have advocated taking it out. Then again, the lead ought to be a bit more general--it matters not so much what Huckabee said, but what people like Huckabee say (which the quote captured very nicely, I must say); he matters only in being representative of a fairly broad train of thought in the US. The more general statement (in the lead) is always better. If Huckabee had been elected president it might have been different, of course, but then, lots of things would have been different. ;) As for that other edit, "theory" captures it a bit better, perhaps, than "thesis"--but I personally would use the word "ideology", which conservatives will no doubt read as a put-down. Perhaps the trick is to find more sources, more general sources, that evaluate a bit more objectively what the issue is and how it can be described in a bigger, fatter lead. I also think that the organization, starting with "overview" and followed by "causes", is not productive: I would want a historical overview, beginning--of course--with Winthrop. Thanks, and good luck, Drmies (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T16:46:00.000Z-Gregorik-2010-10-23T15:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

One thing about the Du Pont piece that we discussed already on the article talk page is that Du Pont mistakenly applies a Mark Twain quote to the concept of American exceptionalism, but the quote was one where Twain was discussing Imperial Russia specifically. There's another mark against Du Pont. Binksternet (talk) 17:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T17:05:00.000Z","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Binksternet-2010-10-23T17:05:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T15:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-23T17:33:00.000Z-Binksternet-2010-10-23T17:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Bink, I hope it's OK with you that I copied this to Talk:American exceptionalism; it's best to keep that content discussion there. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T17:33:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-23T17:33:00.000Z-Binksternet-2010-10-23T17:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Binksternet-2010-10-23T19:36:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T17:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Absolutely. See y'all there. Binksternet (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-23T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Binksternet-2010-10-23T19:36:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-23T17:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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• Sure, in a little while...I need some more practice, though. You doing alright? Nice to hear you're still around. Are you practicing enough admin abuse to make you happy? ;) Drmies (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-24T16:44:00.000Z-RegentsPark-2010-10-24T13:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-RegentsPark-2010-10-25T01:41:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-24T16:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

  With fowler, spiff and abecedare gone (but not forgotten) you should see the mess in some of the India and British Raj related articles. But, I'm too busy in RL to get into protracted battles. I'll be back in 2011 but till then just kibbitzing (except for the occasional unblocking of bad boys). Let me know if admin drmies becomes a real possibility! --RegentsPark (talk) 01:41, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-25T01:41:00.000Z","author":"RegentsPark","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RegentsPark-2010-10-25T01:41:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-24T16:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-25T04:35:00.000Z-RegentsPark-2010-10-25T01:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

  Whoa, Spiff and Abecedare gone? I noticed they haven't edited in a while--what's going on? We need them...the mess was already practically out of control... And whatever I do, I can't do much there than the gnomish work I have been doing, lacking knowledge of some of those intricate matters (let alone knowledge of the syntax employed by some of the contributors to those articles). Hey Regents, please stick around--who needs real life anyway? It consists of being underpaid and cleaning kitchen floors. Anyway, good luck to you out there. Let me know if you're doing anything exciting, or if you need me to proofread a dissertation or a statement of purpose. Take care, Drmies (talk) 04:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-25T04:35:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-25T04:35:00.000Z-RegentsPark-2010-10-25T01:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-RegentsPark-2010-10-28T02:06:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-25T04:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

  No dissertations on the horizon (on the other end of that). And don't tempt me with the horror of a wiki only life - it might be eternal but you've seen what lives here. Fortunately, reality beckons with its common sense perspective! Spiff, it appears, has decided to live the itinerant life of a traveler, while abecedare and fowler have just walked away. The danger of becoming an admin is that it becomes much easier to leave, so don't be in a hurry! --RegentsPark (talk) 02:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T02:06:00.000Z","author":"RegentsPark","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-RegentsPark-2010-10-28T02:06:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-25T04:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies. I'm thinking about reinserting into Major depressive disorder the YouTube EL we discussed. But I would value your opinion before I do. (Maybe at Talk:Depression_(mood)#Youtube_external_link). Anthony (talk) 16:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T16:12:00.000Z","author":"Anthonyhcole","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anthonyhcole-2010-10-24T16:12:00.000Z-EL_to_depression_video","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-24T16:50:00.000Z-Anthonyhcole-2010-10-24T16:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Anthony"}}-->

• Hey Anthony, thanks for your note--I see now that you have been waiting for a while for me to respond there; my apologies for having lost track of that discussion. I'm responding as we speak. Drmies (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T16:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-24T16:50:00.000Z-Anthonyhcole-2010-10-24T16:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Anthonyhcole-2010-10-24T18:16:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-24T16:50:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Not waiting, fishing :) Thanks for your response. Anthony (talk) 18:16, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T18:16:00.000Z","author":"Anthonyhcole","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Anthonyhcole-2010-10-24T18:16:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-24T16:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-24T18:26:00.000Z-Anthonyhcole-2010-10-24T18:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Anthony"}}-->
    • "...bet your life, your sweet wife, she's gonna catch more fish than you..." Drmies (talk) 18:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-24T18:26:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-24T18:26:00.000Z-Anthonyhcole-2010-10-24T18:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Drmies, for you they are still not notable, and are the pioneers in South America you get informed. I belong to the environment of drone and metal

all best

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• Drone, thank you for your note. However, "notable" means "notable by Wikipedia's standards"--see WP:N. In such lists, that typically means that bands should have an article on Wikipedia, if only to verify that they exist and that they are placed in the proper genre. Hope this helps. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-25T04:28:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-25T04:28:00.000Z-Drone_doom-2010-10-25T01:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm glad you noticed that. I hope I didn't write that, but I may have.... Amandajm (talk) 11:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-26T11:40:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amandajm-2010-10-26T11:40:00.000Z-True_Cross","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-26T14:49:00.000Z-Amandajm-2010-10-26T11:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Oh, my professor had to beat it out of me, so I wouldn't hold it against anyone. Check this edit also. Thanks for your note! Drmies (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-26T14:49:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-26T14:49:00.000Z-Amandajm-2010-10-26T11:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Amandajm-2010-10-27T08:33:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-26T14:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Very good. The expression in that article seemed rather poor. It might benefit from a general tidy-up, if you have the time. I'd leave it until the other unnamed editor has finished doing their thing. Amandajm (talk) 08:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-27T08:33:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Amandajm-2010-10-27T08:33:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-26T14:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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What do you think about...

• … that Ontario MPP Lisa MacLeod’s book I’d Rather Be Baking Cookies includes recipes from Canadian Conservative politicians, Peter MacKay, Jason Kenney, and Prime Minister Steven Harper?
• … that following a sexist joke by a blogger, Ontario Member of Provincial Parliament Lisa MacLeod wrote the cookbook I’d Rather Be Baking Cookies?

The guy wasn't just a blogger, he was affiliated with the opposing party, but I am not sure how to work it...I've gone live with the page anyway...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:09, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T00:09:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T00:09:00.000Z-Back_to_making_cookies","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-28T00:49:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T00:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Keep it simple? … that following a sexist joke by a political opponent, Ontario Member of Provincial Parliament Lisa MacLeod wrote the cookbook I’d Rather Be Baking Cookies? Drmies (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T00:49:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T00:49:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T00:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T00:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-28T00:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I like it.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T00:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-28T00:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-28T01:54:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T00:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

• On which continent are you? And the little ones? Drmies (talk) 01:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T01:54:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T01:54:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T00:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T07:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-28T01:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Still in Asia. I leave for Beijing on the 16^th, I will be spending 23 hours and 15 minutes in China, just long enough to not need a visa. Hopefully I will get to see more of the city than I usually do. The kids are fine, the baby is...well, being a baby...Mrs. K is looking forward to my return so she can get some sleep.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 07:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T07:46:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T07:46:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-28T01:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:03:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T07:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sleep. Sleep is good. Safe travels, and give my regards to Mrs. K. Drmies (talk) 19:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T19:03:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:03:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-10-28T07:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-10-29T04:45:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Indeed, sleep is good, unfortunately I have not been getting enough of it lately, and you know how it will be once I get home. Safe travels, I'm not sure, I have seen what happens when you drop 5 Canadian miners in Beijing for a night...it's not pretty, and usually ends with an arguement with the hotel clerk. Fortunately no time in a Chinese prison...yet. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-29T04:45:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-10-29T04:45:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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You might as well do it right :)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

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• • Ouch! Man, please wash your fish afore you whack me with it. Thanks Ron! Drmies (talk) 04:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T04:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T04:50:00.000Z-Ron_Ritzman-2010-10-28T03:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

In a new incarnation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Stalker_Back John2510 (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T16:41:00.000Z","author":"John2510","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John2510-2010-10-28T16:41:00.000Z-My_Stalker_is_Back...","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:01:00.000Z-John2510-2010-10-28T16:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Thanks for the note. I'll try to keep an eye out too on those articles; I appreciate the action Looie took. Take care. Drmies (talk) 19:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T19:01:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:01:00.000Z-John2510-2010-10-28T16:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Take a look at the section I added to Pete the Cat. LadyofShalott 19:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T19:07:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-10-28T19:07:00.000Z-Pete's_acclaim","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:24:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-10-28T19:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

• Woohoo! Thank you Lady, and congrats to Pete. Drmies (talk) 19:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T19:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:24:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-10-28T19:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm well aware of the life and work of Néstor Kirchner, as I'm Argentine myself. You made a little mistake: it was Rehevkor who removed a reference and placed a "fact" tag. I'm the one who replace the "fact" tag for the closest reference I had at hand (and yes, my edit summary may had been a little strong, but after a whole day, from morning to nigth, with all TV channels talking only about this and absolutely nothing else, to see someone requesting a reference of the death of Kirchner was over the top. As if on January 21, 2009, someone requested a reference about Barack Obama being president... MBelgrano (talk) 19:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T19:11:00.000Z","author":"MBelgrano","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MBelgrano-2010-10-28T19:11:00.000Z-Kirchner","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:22:00.000Z-MBelgrano-2010-10-28T19:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

• MBelgrano, I'm sorry, but I must not have made myself clear. My comment was directed at Rehevkor, who left a comment on your talk page, claiming he didn't know who Kirchner was and didn't care. I cited from his edit summary. My comment points out that he had no reason to add a fact tag. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 19:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-28T19:22:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-28T19:22:00.000Z-MBelgrano-2010-10-28T19:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I tried moving it the way you would normally move a page and it wouldn’t let me? What am I doing wrong?! All I want to do was undo a redirect.There is currently no consistency in the naming of articles branching off international relations theory. International relations is something conceptually distinct from IR theory so I have a preference for ‘X in international relations theory’. As for building consensus there is no on else working on IR pages to build consensus with!  Francium12  01:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-29T01:34:00.000Z","author":"Francium12","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Francium12-2010-10-29T01:34:00.000Z-Idealism_(international_relations)","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-29T01:40:00.000Z-Francium12-2010-10-29T01:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Francium, I ran into the same problem recently: you can't move something if there's already something there, in this case a redirect: you go through all the motions to do the move properly and you get told off with some template. It sucks! But an administrator can fix that--find your friendly neighborhood admin, and propose it to them.

  Now, the consensus bit, I don't know--you are a better judge of that than I am, whether there are active editors, and the possibility of a consensus, and all that. I did see that User:Gary King had edited the article recently; it's probably a good idea to ask them via their talk page, and if they agree, or if you don't hear back in a few days, to ask an admin to do it for you. I hope this helps. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 01:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-29T01:40:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-29T01:40:00.000Z-Francium12-2010-10-29T01:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies. Thanks for message and information. I will go through the pages you have suggested. As you can tell, a new member here and will slowly get use to more editing on Wikipedia. Mari370 (talk) 12:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-29T12:12:00.000Z","author":"Mari370","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mari370-2010-10-29T12:12:00.000Z-Thanks_2","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-29T14:31:00.000Z-Mari370-2010-10-29T12:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sure thing. I think you're doing good work already on a topic that you clearly have expertise on, so thanks, on behalf of the world. If I could ask you one thing: please use edit summaries, so other editors know what you're doing and why. Thanks, and happy editing, Drmies (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-29T14:31:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-29T14:31:00.000Z-Mari370-2010-10-29T12:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Drmies. I was the user (as 75.147.202.113) who just edited Robert Heller's entry. I didn't sign in because I couldn't remember my password, but after the thoughtful thank-you message that you sent, I decided to go through the trouble! Although I have been a member for a while, I am still very inexperienced at many aspects of page editing; I will be reviewing the links that you sent. Thanks again for your consideration! Ken McIntyre (talk) 18:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-29T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Ken McIntyre","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ken_McIntyre-2010-10-29T18:55:00.000Z-Thanks_3","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-10-29T20:03:00.000Z-Ken_McIntyre-2010-10-29T18:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hey, thank you so much for cleaning up that page--I do hope you will contribute. Wikipedia is a fun joint, I find, for those who are interested in the world and in knowledge, and we appreciate anyone who wants to help out. Please drop me a line if there's anything I can help you with. Welcome (back) aboard! Drmies (talk) 20:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-29T20:03:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-10-29T20:03:00.000Z-Ken_McIntyre-2010-10-29T18:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 30 October 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Li Jinglin, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-30T12:04:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2010-10-30T12:04:00.000Z-DYK_for_Li_Jinglin","replies":[]}}-->

Hello fellow doctor. How is things? User Rosiestep and I are working on J.P.B. de Josselin de Jong and P.E. de Josselin de Jong. I wondered if you'd like to join us. Perhaps you could translate some of this for the J.P.B article?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-30T20:06:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2010-10-30T20:06:00.000Z-Josselin_de_Jong","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T16:00:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2010-11-15T16:00:00.000Z-Josselin_de_Jong","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies, I didn't notify anyone about the AfD except Turquoise127, as I thought it would be best if new eyes took a look at it, rather than it just turning into a repeat of the previous AfD. I explained this to Turquoise127 on their talk page, but they chose to ignore that and notify the !keepers from the previous one. I don't think that two wrongs make a right and didn't really feel like having more insults thrown at me, so I decided against canvassing the !deleters. To be honest, canvassing shouldn't be necessary, given the total lack of any sources demonstrating notability, I have faith in the community to make the right decision. SmartSE (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-31T16:27:00.000Z","author":"Smartse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smartse-2010-10-31T16:27:00.000Z-KCK","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-02T04:35:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-10-31T16:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I know, Smart--I was trying to make a joke and alleviate that AfD a bit. With this article, I've had faith in the community also, and I am trying to have it again. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-02T04:35:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-02T04:35:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-10-31T16:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I haven't commented in the KKK discussion? That's what I was editing was my own post. Do you make a practice of editing other users discussion comments? To accuse me of vandalism for restoring my own comment is beyond proper for a wiki editor. 207.119.114.105 (talk) 06:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-01T06:34:00.000Z","author":"207.119.114.105","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-207.119.114.105-2010-11-01T06:34:00.000Z-editing_discussion_posts?","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-01T16:47:00.000Z-207.119.114.105-2010-11-01T06:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Get off your high horse: the history clearly indicates that your IP has never edited the talk page until here, where you undid another editor's work, falsely claiming they "edited comments." If you contributed to the talk page under a different IP, you should not be surprised if editors can't smell that that's you also--getting an account would eliminate that. Besides that, though, your edits are getting pretty disruptive, and fortunately I am not the only editor who has pointed this out to you. Drmies (talk) 16:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-01T16:47:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-01T16:47:00.000Z-207.119.114.105-2010-11-01T06:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the welcome, bro! --Bob Donut (talk) 21:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-01T21:41:00.000Z","author":"Bob Donut","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bob_Donut-2010-11-01T21:41:00.000Z-Thanks!_2","replies":[]}}-->

There's an a to your q on my talk page. :) LadyofShalott 04:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-02T04:28:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-11-02T04:28:00.000Z-A.","replies":[],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

Saw your note in my talk archive, just taken off enjoying life traveling, so I'll get to WP only when I'm in a masochistic mood. How're things this side of the fence? cheers —SpacemanSpiff 15:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-02T15:59:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-02T15:59:00.000Z-Hey_doc_2","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-02T19:24:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-02T15:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->

• They're a mess, us usual. Check out the DYK talk page, for instance. Also, I'm trying to have an astrologer deleted, [[7]]. But how are you? Where are your travels taking you? Don't tell me you're following some jam band around--you're an admin, and you need to act in a more respectable manner. Hey, thanks for stopping by, and enjoy! Drmies (talk) 19:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-02T19:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-02T19:24:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-02T15:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-05T16:25:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-02T19:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • I came back and saw a couple of articles on my watchlist; before, they were bad of course, but now they're nothing more than stockpiles of bovine excrement. Sometimes I wonder if by writing good articles we start legitimizing the crap that exist around here! I've quit my job and am traveling (Asia), so I don't have much time for Wikipedia now, just as well :) The wife and kids doing ok? —SpacemanSpiff 16:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-05T16:25:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-05T16:25:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-02T19:24:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->

• Please pardon the intrusion. This tin of thanks spam is offered to everyone who commented or !voted (Support, Oppose or Neutral) on my recent RfA. I appreciate the fact that you care enough about the encyclopedia and its community to participate in this forum.
• There are a host of processes that further need community support, including content review (WP:GAN, WP:PR, WP:FAC, and WP:FAR). You can also consider becoming a Wikipedia Ambassador. If you have the requisite experience and knowledge, consider running for admin yourself!
• If you have any further comments, input or questions, please do feel free to drop a line to me on my talk page. I am open to all discussion. Thanks • Ling.Nut (talk) 02:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-03T02:19:00.000Z","author":"Ling.Nut","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ling.Nut-2010-11-03T02:19:00.000Z-It's_raining_thanks_spam!","replies":[]}}-->

Check out this. I imagine the firm of File:Cukrowicz Nachbaur is notable. Thoughts (by the way, I know that Dutchistan is not the same as Germanistan). ^Bongo_matic 03:20, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-03T03:20:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-11-03T03:20:00.000Z-Dutch_\/_Deutsch","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:48:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-03T03:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Yes, I looked at it, but could not find much that I could base an article on. There's an award mentioned for them, but I could not verify that the national version (can't remember, maybe there were two versions?) was awarded to them. So I tried writing the article but wasn't able to. Pity--their buildings look spectacular. Drmies (talk) 03:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T03:48:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:48:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-03T03:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bongomatic-2010-11-08T14:17:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Here's a list of awards some of which appear notable. Further thoughts? ^Bongo_matic 14:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T14:17:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-11-08T14:17:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi.. you put a {{advert|date=November 2010}} tag on La Costeña (food company). Please be aware that this article is being worked on my students in my class. The final version is due tomorrow. I just talked to one of these students about the wording I think you find problematic. I am taking the tag off so that it doesnt get deleted. You´re free to put it back on ... but after Monday... if the changes arent good enough.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z","author":"Thelmadatter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z-La_Coste\u00f1a","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-04T19:19:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2010-11-04T19:23:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z","c-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T20:39:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hello Thelma, I did put that tag on there, because it did read like an advertisement. At the very least the language is not neutral--for instance "the marketing of the company is unique" (and in that regard, you're not supposed to remove the tag until the issue has been resolved). Such a tag is not an invitation to delete: it is an invitation to improve by rewriting in a more encyclopedic tone. Deletion is usually decided on the basis of notability (that is, the lack thereof) as determined by the guidelines set out in WP:N; that something reads like an ad is not in itself sufficient reason to delete.

  I did not see that it was a project worked on by students. You can indicate that easily by placing an educational assignment template on the talk page, and placing a note on the talk page, explaining that it is an assignment is very helpful; I see now that you have listed the articles being worked on on your user page, but nothing in the article's history or on the talk page suggested this. You can also consider listing the project (including all articles that are part of the assignment) on Wikipedia:School and university projects, which will make it clear to other editors precisely what the extent and status are of the assignment. That alone is probably enough reason for any administrator to not delete an article while it is being worked on.

  I've made a minor edit to the lead in accordance with our Manual of Style. Do let me know if I have been unclear or if there is anything I can help you with. Good luck to your students on the assignment. Drmies (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T19:19:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-04T19:19:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Note: I see that it is listed on the Projects page, Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects#Monterrey_Institute_of_Technology_and_Higher_Education.2C_Mexico_City--great. A link on the talk page of those articles would be handy--of course, you could always require the students to do that, or deduct points from their grade! (I see you are a strict grader--good!). I've done educational assignments and made a sub-page in my user space outlining the assignment, list of articles, criteria, etc.; I found that that was useful for my students, for me in checking off assignments, and for other editors. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T19:23:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-04T19:23:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Thanks.. I was just nervous because one of my other student's work was deleted when we began this project. As for hard grader... yeah... Im a masochist like that. I realize the tags should stay on until the problem is solved and the "the marketing of the company is unique" was one of the things I zeroed in on when I was speaking to the student. Especially since she gives no examples of "unique advertising." Could mean anything. What you are seeing is a lot of style influence from their native Spanish. They are OK with a lot more of the kinds of language we would call "promotional" or "flowery". They dont see it as such.Thelmadatter (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T20:39:00.000Z","author":"Thelmadatter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T20:39:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T18:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-04T22:21:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T20:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • It's always difficult to maintain objectivity on matters that you care (and thus write) about. The style didn't give "Spanish" away so much, to me, anyway, though there are obvious syntactic giveaways. Hey, like I said, I've done a wiki-assignment before, in Freshman Comp, with a lot less success (and students' effort) than you are having, so as far as I can tell you are doing a pretty decent job! Drmies (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-04T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-04T22:21:00.000Z-Thelmadatter-2010-11-04T20:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 5 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article I'd Rather Be Baking Cookies: A Collection of Recipes from Lisa MacLeod and Friends, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Cirt (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-05T00:05:00.000Z","author":"Cirt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cirt-2010-11-05T00:05:00.000Z-DYK_for_I'd_Rather_Be_Baking_Cookies:_A_Collection_of_Recipes_from_Lisa_MacLeod","replies":[]}}-->

You're welcome. When I looked over the other suspects, it seemed pretty straightforward. Daniel Case (talk) 05:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-05T05:13:00.000Z","author":"Daniel Case","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Daniel_Case-2010-11-05T05:13:00.000Z-sock_crushing","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-05T15:22:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-11-05T05:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Yes, it seemed like the easiest SPI ever. Still, you had to navigate, push buttons, block two users and two IPs, write out category names--your swift action is greatly appreciated! Drmies (talk) 15:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-05T15:22:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-05T15:22:00.000Z-Daniel_Case-2010-11-05T05:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Bacon for a Signpost article to be published November 15. This particular article will look at WikiProject Bacon as an example of how new projects get started. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. I'm going to cook some bacon now... -Mabeenot (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-05T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Mabeenot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mabeenot-2010-11-05T21:09:00.000Z-WP_Bacon_in_the_Signpost","replies":[]}}-->

Is it accurate to describe him as an abolitionsist at all? The article says that he appears to have been an abolitionist because the supported an article. But it doesn't say that he was an abolitionist. This discrepancy is keeping me from approving it at DYK. Dincher (talk) 01:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T01:41:00.000Z","author":"Dincher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dincher-2010-11-07T01:41:00.000Z-Charles_Chauncey_Burr","replies":["c-Dincher-2010-11-07T01:43:00.000Z-Dincher-2010-11-07T01:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

If you respond, please respond on my talk page. Dincher (talk) 01:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T01:43:00.000Z","author":"Dincher","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dincher-2010-11-07T01:43:00.000Z-Dincher-2010-11-07T01:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-07T02:39:00.000Z-Dincher-2010-11-07T01:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, but I responded on the DYK page. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T02:39:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-07T02:39:00.000Z-Dincher-2010-11-07T01:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

No problem. It's approved for DYK. It's an interesting article. Dincher (talk) 02:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T02:49:00.000Z","author":"Dincher","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dincher-2010-11-07T02:49:00.000Z-Charles_Chauncey_Burr","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-07T02:50:00.000Z-Dincher-2010-11-07T02:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks! I didn't have much hope for it, but it turned out the guy was odd enough to be exciting. I wish I had a photo. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T02:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-07T02:50:00.000Z-Dincher-2010-11-07T02:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

saw SG's revert, sorry for being a (unintentional) party pooper ;) J.delanoy^gabs_adds 04:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T04:20:00.000Z","author":"J.delanoy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J.delanoy-2010-11-07T04:20:00.000Z-re_MRG","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-07T04:35:00.000Z-J.delanoy-2010-11-07T04:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

• No problem at all. Thanks for looking out for Moonriddengirl. Drmies (talk) 04:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T04:35:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-07T04:35:00.000Z-J.delanoy-2010-11-07T04:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:58:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-07T04:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • In JD and MRG's defence, I use trend as a verb all the time...although not in that context.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T02:58:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:58:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-07T04:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:49:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • K-stick, you're a miner, a family man, and a bacon lover. Sorry, but we can't exactly take you as an expert on the coining of verbs--you're just not hip enough. Drmies (talk) 03:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T03:49:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:49:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:16:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
      • Is Merriam-Webster hip enough?--kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T04:16:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:16:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-08T04:35:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
        • Damn it, you Canadian, don't get fresh with me! Hey K, take care--and give my regards to Mrs. K. Drmies (talk) 04:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T04:35:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-08T04:35:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:42:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T04:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
          • Will do, next Tuesday I am on the first plane to Beijing. Great Wall anyone?--kelapstick^(bainuu) 04:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T04:42:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:42:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T04:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bongomatic-2010-11-08T04:53:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:42:00.000Z"]}}-->
            • Enjoy the other Great Wall. ^Bongo_matic 04:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T04:53:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-11-08T04:53:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T04:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T05:48:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-08T04:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
              • I got to experience that one on my last trip to Beijing. No FB, or Blogger, but Wikipedia worked.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 05:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T05:48:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T05:48:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-08T04:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

<--Safe travels. You know my talk page could be prettied up some (how do you like that verb phrase?) so feel free to drop a picture here. Drmies (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-08T16:43:00.000Z-re_MRG","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-17T00:43:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T16:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

The Beijing forecast today is Smoke. No great wall today, too far away, but should still get some shopping in, should my travel companions get up within the next hour. We got set up in a pretty swank hotel. I was going to pick up some toys for the kids, they are cheep, and should be at least 63% lead free.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-17T00:43:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-17T00:43:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T16:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Is this worth salvaging? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T02:18:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:18:00.000Z-Housekeeping","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2010-11-08T02:29:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

You could merge it into Turducken#Variations. (I hope you don't mind my interjecting my $0.02.)LadyofShalott 02:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T02:29:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-11-08T02:29:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:39:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-11-08T02:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

How about this. Must have some inherant notable value? My 50₮.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T02:39:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:39:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-11-08T02:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-08T02:50:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry kids--I'm watching Metropolis. Death to the machines! Be back later. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T02:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-08T02:50:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:57:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T02:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Better than Teen Wolf, which is what I had to resort to watching the other day.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T02:57:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:57:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-08T02:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:59:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, it was fantastic. Now I have to stay up to 2:30, when they're showing M. Drmies (talk) 03:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T03:59:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-08T03:59:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-08T02:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies. I noticed you created a Requests for Adminship page some time ago; I was wondering as to what the status of that request might be. If you are still intent on running for adminship with that request, please do let me know; otherwise, I'll go ahead and delete the RfA page for you in about a week or so from today. FASTILY ^(TALK) 23:40, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-08T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Fastily","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fastily-2010-11-08T23:40:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship\/Drmies","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-09T00:29:00.000Z-Fastily-2010-11-08T23:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

• You know what, Fastily, it's not about to happen this week or the next...too much to do in real life... Drmies (talk) 00:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T00:29:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-09T00:29:00.000Z-Fastily-2010-11-08T23:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2010-11-09T02:34:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-09T00:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not to be nit-picky or anything... well, yeah, actually to be nit-picky... it wasn't Drmies who created the page. LadyofShalott 02:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T02:34:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2010-11-09T02:34:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-09T00:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fastily-2010-11-09T04:38:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-11-09T02:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Lady"}}-->

Drawbacks of a template message I suppose :/ So...Drmies, what's the verdict? -FASTILY ^(TALK) 04:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T04:38:00.000Z","author":"Fastily","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fastily-2010-11-09T04:38:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2010-11-09T02:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-09T04:40:00.000Z-Fastily-2010-11-09T04:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Let's get rid of it for now, Fastily--I'm not ready yet anyway. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 04:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T04:40:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-09T04:40:00.000Z-Fastily-2010-11-09T04:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Eagles247-2010-11-09T20:10:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-09T04:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have deleted the page. Drmies, good luck when you finally decide to run. I think you'd pass by a landslide. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T20:10:00.000Z","author":"Eagles247","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Eagles247-2010-11-09T20:10:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-09T04:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Turqoise127-2010-11-11T21:31:00.000Z-Eagles247-2010-11-09T20:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Eagles"}}-->

Not if I can help it. Mudslide is more like it....Turqoise127 21:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T21:31:00.000Z","author":"Turqoise127","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Turqoise127-2010-11-11T21:31:00.000Z-Eagles247-2010-11-09T20:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-11T21:35:00.000Z-Turqoise127-2010-11-11T21:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Turqoise"}}-->

Thanks for making this clear beforehand! Do you need another No Personal Attacks template on your talk page? Drmies (talk) 21:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-11T21:35:00.000Z-Turqoise127-2010-11-11T21:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, Thanks for cleaning that up.
Two things:
1) Why is it "hat gewollt" rather than "gewollt hat"? That's a grammatical error.
2) Does your source provide details on that other Nazi short, the shining stars one?
Varlaam (talk) 06:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T06:31:00.000Z","author":"Varlaam","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Varlaam-2010-11-09T06:31:00.000Z-Vom_B\u00e4umlein,_das_andere_Bl\u00e4tter_hat_gewollt","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-09T15:28:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-11-09T06:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Well, it's poetry, so syntax will have to obey. And even if it weren't (eighteenth-century) poetry, I wouldn't call it a mistake. But this is what the sources say--and I was ready to AfD the article given the paucity of hits for the original title. Once I found that PDF source, I knew what the "real" title was and things started falling into place. I still need to read the poem, though. No, I found nothing on the stars clip, though I saw it mentioned once or twice along the way: there is a famous name attached to it. Look at the German wiki article for the Baumchen, follow the link to the clip, and find that name (Willi something?), that will get you places. I'd do it now but I got a few things I need to wrap up. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T15:28:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-09T15:28:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-11-09T06:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Varlaam-2010-11-09T20:37:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-09T15:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't recognize the poem. I shall follow your link.

I have these two listed already in List of World War II short films.

So if you come across anything else, feel free to update that page, or advise me, if you would rather, and I'll attend to it.

Cheers, Varlaam (talk) 20:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC) (in Toronto)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T20:37:00.000Z","author":"Varlaam","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Varlaam-2010-11-09T20:37:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-09T15:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-09T21:01:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-11-09T20:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sure thing--I will try to follow up. Today is my busy day at school and I don't think I'll be able to go to the library; it might be some time, in fact, but I think we have an exciting topic here. Thanks for your help and your note! Drmies (talk) 21:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T21:01:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-09T21:01:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-11-09T20:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies, Saw your edit on MRG's page. Hope that montage doesn't reappear on Los Angeles but if it does, maybe we could call for a consensus. Thanks for reverting to the better photo. [8]. Malke 2010 (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-09T16:37:00.000Z","author":"Malke 2010","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malke_2010-2010-11-09T16:37:00.000Z-L.A._pic","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-10T03:40:00.000Z-Malke_2010-2010-11-09T16:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Sure thing. I was glad to see that I was not the only editor reverting those changes--not only without consensus, but also (in many cases) without aesthetic judgment. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 03:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T03:40:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-10T03:40:00.000Z-Malke_2010-2010-11-09T16:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes indeed! I stumbled on the listing while surfing and of course had to watch. The whole story is very interesting! I'm not a buff by any means but certainly appreciate it. It was Moroder's version that first got me hooked.

Regards, RadioBroadcast (talk) 03:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T03:15:00.000Z","author":"RadioBroadcast","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RadioBroadcast-2010-11-10T03:15:00.000Z-Metropolis","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Drmies. There is an IP-only editor who is removing material from the above-captioned article with edit summaries such as “Unnecessary detail regarding unremarkable innovations in retail.” However, I think that these edit summaries are less than accurate as what is really being removed is material relevant to the history of the organization. Perhaps the anonymous editor has an axe to grind, an agenda, is a competitor, etc. Therefore, with this edit. I reverted a particular edit of his/hers. Then, with this edit, I reverted to the last truly clean version since, again, s/he seems to be removing valid material. However, with this edit, I restored your deletion of some material. Would you please review my actions and give me a second opinion? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 06:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T06:12:00.000Z","author":"SpikeTorontoRCP","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SpikeTorontoRCP-2010-11-10T06:12:00.000Z-Thor_Equities","replies":[],"displayName":"Spike"}}-->

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On 10 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charles Chauncey Burr, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Charles Chauncey Burr was an abolitionist before the American Civil War but then became a Copperhead? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

...has created a new article in his name Dr. Praveen Kochar. What is the solution?--Indian Chronicles (talk) 12:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T12:41:00.000Z","author":"Indian Chronicles","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T12:41:00.000Z-World_Famous_Astrologer","replies":["c-Smartse-2010-11-10T12:49:00.000Z-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T12:41:00.000Z","c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T15:33:00.000Z-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T12:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) I've nominated it for speedy deletion, either WP:CSD#A7 or WP:CSD#G11 applies. I'll drop the admin that deleted Praveen Kochar last week a note to see if the new account should be blocked too. _{Btw Drmies, did you see this?} SmartSE (talk) 12:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T12:49:00.000Z","author":"Smartse","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smartse-2010-11-10T12:49:00.000Z-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T12:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T14:38:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-11-10T12:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

That was fast. But this Joker is persistent.--Indian Chronicles (talk) 14:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T14:38:00.000Z","author":"Indian Chronicles","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T14:38:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-11-10T12:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T14:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wow. Sorry I missed the action; good work you two. Yes, he is persistent, but then, he's world famous. I figured he'd be coming back, and he still might a few more times; I'm pasting this here for future reference. Smart, thanks--no I hadn't seen that, despite Turqoise's conviction that I'm following his every move. Thanks for the update! Drmies (talk) 17:01, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T14:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey, Dr. Praveen Kochar gives me nothing, nor does Praveen Kochar. Isn't there supposed to be a page like this one? And Smart, you're talking about User:Daniel Case, right? Drmies (talk) 17:01, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T17:07:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z","c-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:15:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

All are deleted. Its a shameless display of self promotion. But many variants are still possible. But I am keeping a watch. I have put them up on my watchlist user page. If any link turns blue, its a candidate for deletion. --Indian Chronicles (talk) 17:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T17:07:00.000Z","author":"Indian Chronicles","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T17:07:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

(EC) You hadn't seen it?! You obviously aren't on the most up to date porkchop cabal mailing list... I'll add you now. No I meant RHaworth - see here, seasoning has been applied, until they think of a new name for themself. SmartSE (talk) 17:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T17:15:00.000Z","author":"Smartse","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:15:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:20:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:15:00.000Z","c-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:53:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

I was wondering about that--so the salt prevents the page with a record of deletion from showing up? As for the Bacon cabal, as it turns out our director of composition and our student worker scored higher than I did on a certain quiz, so it's entirely possible that my membership was revoked (though they left me the star).

BTW, I was once accused by an editor running for office, whose resume/program got deleted, of having a pro-Zionist bias which led me to want to delete his article since he had, he claimed, a "balanced" position on Israel. This Zionism of mine, he claimed, was evidenced by the Star of David on my user page (top right). Some people can't be taught. Drmies (talk) 17:20, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T17:20:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-10T17:20:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Better than that, you just get this. Strange, I thought Agricola was also in the cabal, they must have hidden themselves in the members list. That's pretty funny, especially considering that bacon + israel don't go together like bacon + other things do! My recent favourite is being called the mind police for cleaning up this guy's years old reference spamming. I remember reading something here sometime which said that when people insult you etc. you know that you're doing the right thing, but unfortunately can't find it anymore. SmartSE (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T17:53:00.000Z","author":"Smartse","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:53:00.000Z-Smartse-2010-11-10T17:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Doc, can I interest you in a poet? (Abhiram Pathak (Hindi Ojasvi Kavi)‎) —SpacemanSpiff 15:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T15:33:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T15:33:00.000Z-Indian_Chronicles-2010-11-10T12:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:00:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T15:33:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
  • Sure! But there's nothing there. Not a single significant Google hit, no titles offered in the article, let alone references. Nothing. Let your PROD run and consign another non-notable master to oblivion. Maybe Colonel what's his name can save it, though. Drmies (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T16:00:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:00:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T15:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T18:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:00:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • What do you mean? He has a Facebook profile! —SpacemanSpiff 18:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T18:53:00.000Z","author":"SpacemanSpiff","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T18:53:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-11T19:52:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T18:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Spaceman"}}-->
      • Did you see his picture? Drmies (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T19:52:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-11T19:52:00.000Z-SpacemanSpiff-2010-11-11T18:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I don't know what happened there but that guy (honored in the house of representatives) looked a fair bit notable to me, and there was no promo of the user at all in the article? I don't see the editor really requesting deletion only becoming upset at the process they were faced with. Disd I miss something, it looks like a pretty good faith attempt too create a cited article about her father to me? Off2riorob (talk) 22:19, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Off2riorob","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Off2riorob-2010-11-10T22:19:00.000Z-speedy_-crayton","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z-Off2riorob-2010-11-10T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I'm not saying anything about good or bad faith, promotional or notable or what. Author blanks it, G7 applies. I checked: no other editors had added anything, and I looked at three of the references provided with the article, which did not add up to notability (there was a footnote in a book, a mention in a newspaper article, and some dead or broken link). But does that matter? Go ahead and write the article, if you like--it seems like you have one reliable claim to notability already. Drmies (talk) 03:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z-Off2riorob-2010-11-10T22:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Speaking of honors, do you remember that awesome weblink (now dead) that allowed us to give each other trophies for poems? ^Bongo_matic 00:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T00:40:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-11-11T00:40:00.000Z-Honors","replies":["c-Kelapstick-2010-11-11T02:45:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-11T00:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

I remember that link, and it was most awesome. I was able to honour myself for my 1996 epic Ode to my Snowmobile. But I digress.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 02:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T02:45:00.000Z","author":"Kelapstick","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kelapstick-2010-11-11T02:45:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-11T00:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-11T02:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

It was totally cool. I remember giving DGG an award also. Yeah, is it gone? Drmies (talk) 03:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z-Kelapstick-2010-11-11T02:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:17:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey Bongo, ever had Čvarci? Drmies (talk) 16:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T16:17:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:17:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-11T03:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bongomatic-2010-11-15T05:55:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, looks good (and good for you, too!). See the link added with this edit. The site has been unfortunately despamificated. ^Bongo_matic 05:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T05:55:00.000Z","author":"Bongomatic","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bongomatic-2010-11-15T05:55:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-11T16:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T16:02:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-15T05:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks Bongo! Yeah, that's a shame--I was going to print one out and hang it on my office door, hoping for a raise... Drmies (talk) 16:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T16:02:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T16:02:00.000Z-Bongomatic-2010-11-15T05:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Drmies,

Thank you for your interest in the Swami Krishnananda article. I am one of the principle researchers for and authors of that article. Most of our work has been conducted under IP addresses rather than usernames, the reason for which being that we are not regular Wikipedia editors, and are not necessarily interested in becoming regular Wikipedia editors. Rather we are folks in academia who discovered that Swami Krishnananda—a major figure in 20th century Hinduism—had been largely overlooked at Wikipedia, and therefore decided to make a one-time contribution to the site in the form of an article that would serve as a starting point for those interested in learning about Krishnananda and his work.

All of the content of the Swami Krishnananda article was thoroughly researched before being published at Wikipedia, not just by myself and the other principles editors involved with the project, but also by numerous Swamis in India, the Webmaster of Swami-Krishnananda.org, and several respected professors of philosophy and theology at preeminent universities in both the U.S.A. and the U.K. You will find this corroborated by nearly 80 different citations, all of which correspond to credible and verifiable sources listed in the "Notes" section of the article.

Your removing of whole sections of this article, which have now stood uncontestded for over one year’s time, was unwarranted, and it makes me question your judgement. Therefore, I am reverting all of your edits until you can properly articulate your justification for them. The only way any of your edits will stand is through collaboration with me.

Regards, Advedom (talk) 03:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T03:28:00.000Z","author":"Advedom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Advedom-2010-11-15T03:28:00.000Z-Swami_Krishnananda","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T03:37:00.000Z-Advedom-2010-11-15T03:28:00.000Z","c-Advedom-2010-11-15T04:36:00.000Z-Advedom-2010-11-15T03:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Advedom, thank you for your note. You may question my judgment all you like, but throwing a bunch of unnamed researchers affiliated with your own cause at me and at the article is not going to help: too many of the statements in the article are barely neutral and most of them are not based on reliable sources. You may find, of course, that your own website is reliable enough for your own purposes, but here there is a guideline: WP:RS. So no, I did not remove any information with credible and verifiable sources, and you have no right to reinstate that information, no matter how many swamis are in your camp, registered or not. I also note that you have one single interest in Wikipedia, and that is this article, and your message above suggests that you have a clear conflict of interest. Drmies (talk) 03:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T03:37:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T03:37:00.000Z-Advedom-2010-11-15T03:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Well, you are entitled to your opinions, erroneous as they may be. For the record, I am not affiliated with Krishnananda.org or the Divine Life Society in any way. This is pure conjecture on your part, which again makes me question your judgment. You clearly do not want to discuss constructively the edits you are making to the Swami Krishnananda page, so I will just revert all of them, at the end of every day. Over and out. Advedom (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T04:36:00.000Z","author":"Advedom","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Advedom-2010-11-15T04:36:00.000Z-Advedom-2010-11-15T03:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T05:22:00.000Z-Advedom-2010-11-15T04:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

And so are you. Didn't you just acknowledge that the editor of the subject's website was involved in this one-time contribution? That alone is reason enough for a COI tag. And are you really threatening that collaboration with you, and you alone, is necessary to turn this into a decent article? I'd like to see you add some sources that are not affiliated with the subject and verify pertinent information about him. I counted five references that are independent and notable (that is, reliable): Apte, Berkeley, Deutsch, Flood, and Jacobsen. Apte verified the meaning of the Vedas and of a Sanskrit word, Berkeley is used to make a note on Idealism, Deutsch says something about the status of Advaita Vedanta, Flood enlightens "Jnana yoga," and Jacobsen makes a point about yoga. None of them say anything about the subject. Most of the other references (all starting "Krishnananda") are primary sources. I note also that those books by Krishnananda are self-published.

I am not arguing that the subject is not notable, far from it--but this article does him no favors by appearing to be far removed from a properly objective encyclopedic article. WP:V and WP:RS apply to all articles, across the board, and we are to write material in agreement with those policies. So, while you say I am not discussing anything, I think that the opposite is true. You have yet to come with for instance a single reliable source that says something meaningful about the subject and verifies a statement in the article--the book by Chidananda, S., et al, for instance, is published by Yoga Vedanta Forest Academy Press, the press of Yoga-Vedanta Forest Academy, a school in the Divine Life Society. Revert all you like, but we may find ourselves at the content and COI noticeboards. Drmies (talk) 05:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T05:22:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T05:22:00.000Z-Advedom-2010-11-15T04:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Swami Krishnananda. Thank you. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T05:42:00.000Z","author":"Barek","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Barek-2010-11-15T05:42:00.000Z-ANI_notice","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for requesting my input. Much appreciated. ;) The Land of Green Plums = I would lose the "Trivia" sect, and avoid one-sentence-paragraphs or short-paragraphs. Guillaume de Dole = lede/intro looks a bit short, but that may be just a personal preference. Interesting structural breakdown - but you may wish to look at some related WikiProject guidelines or other relevant GAs and FAs to see how they do it. -- Cirt (talk) 16:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T16:01:00.000Z","author":"Cirt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cirt-2010-11-15T16:01:00.000Z-re_GAN","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T17:50:00.000Z-Cirt-2010-11-15T16:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Cirt, thanks--I'm getting to work. Drmies (talk) 17:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T17:50:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T17:50:00.000Z-Cirt-2010-11-15T16:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for contributing to the discussion on Talk:Pimp. It is very frustrating to try to deal with disputes when the other party refuses to make any sort of good faith effort. But that being said, it's discouraging to see you making essentially the same false accusations. It is not disruptive to remove uncited original research, nor is it POV pushing to remove bias and imbalance from an article. To make such accusations is unseemly and violates AGF. I'm bringing this up here on your talk page instead of the articles talk page because I really want to move on and discuss content there, but that's hard to do when other editors are unwilling to do so. Discuss the content, not the editor. And if you do have to discuss the editor, please don't make false accusations. Thanks again. TJ Black (talk) 20:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T20:27:00.000Z","author":"TJ Black","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TJ_Black-2010-11-15T20:27:00.000Z-Be_careful_of_false_accusations","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T20:52:00.000Z-TJ_Black-2010-11-15T20:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

• TJ Black, you and I have been down that road before, and that turned out to be a dead end for you last time. The offending editor has indeed discussed content with you, on Talk:Pimp and on User talk:Cindamuse (plain for anyone to see), yet you still call their edits "disruptive"--actually, you called the editor "disruptive", so if anyone is discussing the editor it is you. I commented on your action: repeatedly removing "Criminal" from the infobox and repeatedly removing sourced information is disruptive. I have said nothing about youBut please take it to ANI and bring the matter to other editors' attention--in the meantime, please don't slander me on my own talk page. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T20:52:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T20:52:00.000Z-TJ_Black-2010-11-15T20:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-TJ_Black-2010-11-15T21:03:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-15T20:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please show me the simple respect of not making outrageous lies. Everything in the previous paragraph is provable false, or at lease heavily distorted, and you know it. If you and other editors want to continue this campaign of making all sex work-related pages exceptions to wikipedia's core polices, then fine, I won't fight it. But don't pretend it's anything else, and please don't tell ridiculous and easily disproved lies. TJ Black (talk) 21:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T21:03:00.000Z","author":"TJ Black","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TJ_Black-2010-11-15T21:03:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-15T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T21:18:00.000Z-TJ_Black-2010-11-15T21:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please continue this crusade somewhere else, not on my talk page, and take your WP:KETTLE with you. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T21:18:00.000Z-TJ_Black-2010-11-15T21:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

this is ref the Pima air and space page. This was put in the note for edit.

major revert to much earlier version. in a nutshell, WP is not a directory, and a list of every plane owned by the museum cannot be our goal.

I am using the fallowing WP sites guides Order of battle of the Attack on Pearl Harbor,National Museum of the United States Air Force, as well as List of Syfy programs.

the USAF page listed all of there aircraft, the Pearl page list everyship on both sides with CO's, and the Syfy page list every show that as eared on that channel.

so I'm confused, if it a size issue let me know how big it can be and I will stay in that window. I am planning to remove the info about what is in each building, it changes every few months and the list of out side planes. I had planned one exteranl link for the list section to go the aircraft list page of there web site when complete. I just want to have a acurrate page.

V/R Westca (talk) 21:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T21:36:00.000Z","author":"Westca","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Westca-2010-11-15T21:36:00.000Z-cutting_info_from_a_web_page","replies":[]}}-->

I keep telling you it's not my fault you move like you're underwater; you're just going to have to learn to live with the fact that I'm better than you. So there. HalfShadow 23:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T23:43:00.000Z","author":"HalfShadow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:43:00.000Z-You're_just_pissed_off_because_I'm_so_fast.","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T23:47:00.000Z-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:43:00.000Z","c-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:50:00.000Z-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Half"}}-->

• OK, that's it--it's on now. FEUD! (we don't have enough of them...) Drmies (talk) 23:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T23:47:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T23:47:00.000Z-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Big deal. What are you gonna do; type slowly at me? *raspberry* HalfShadow 23:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T23:50:00.000Z","author":"HalfShadow","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:50:00.000Z-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-15T23:52:00.000Z-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Half"}}-->

Damn it. I already lost this. Hey, why don't you go do something useful instead of picking on old people? Can't you go source an unreferenced BLP? Respect your elders! Drmies (talk) 23:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-15T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-15T23:52:00.000Z-HalfShadow-2010-11-15T23:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Millahnna-2010-11-16T00:06:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-15T23:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) Drmies you may find this useful. Millahnna (talk) 00:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-16T00:06:00.000Z","author":"Millahnna","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Millahnna-2010-11-16T00:06:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-15T23:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-16T01:51:00.000Z-Millahnna-2010-11-16T00:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Half, I think you did alright with the insult--the raspberry kind of hurt my feelings. But I think you're going to have to do better if you ever want to out-insult the master. Millahna, thanks for the link! How wonderfully distasteful! Drmies (talk) 01:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-16T01:51:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-16T01:51:00.000Z-Millahnna-2010-11-16T00:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just wondering why you don’t think that exrx.net doesn’t meet the requirements for an external link. I’ve found it to be a great resource on exercise related topics. ITasteLikePaint (talk) 07:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-17T07:12:00.000Z","author":"ITasteLikePaint","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ITasteLikePaint-2010-11-17T07:12:00.000Z-Physical_exercise_link","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-17T16:34:00.000Z-ITasteLikePaint-2010-11-17T07:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Paint, thanks for your note. I looked at the site again, and while I still don't think it meets the requirements of WP:EL, it's not totally spammy or amateurish. (BTW, that you or I might find it a great resource doesn't mean we should keep it!) You know what, I'll post a link on the EL noticeboard, asking for others' opinions. Drmies (talk) 16:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-17T16:34:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-17T16:34:00.000Z-ITasteLikePaint-2010-11-17T07:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-ITasteLikePaint-2010-11-17T21:16:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-17T16:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • That is a great plan. I will watch that message board to see what is said. ITasteLikePaint (talk) 21:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-17T21:16:00.000Z","author":"ITasteLikePaint","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ITasteLikePaint-2010-11-17T21:16:00.000Z-Drmies-2010-11-17T16:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2010-11-17T21:30:00.000Z-ITasteLikePaint-2010-11-17T21:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
    • Paint, I meant to tell you (but forgot) where the discussion was at: Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#Physical_exercise. And feel free to argue your point there! Drmies (talk) 21:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-17T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2010-11-17T21:30:00.000Z-ITasteLikePaint-2010-11-17T21:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->