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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-24T11:08:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-12-24T11:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-12-26T23:03:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-12-24T11:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-26T23:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-12-26T23:03:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-12-24T11:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2013-03-31T09:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-12-26T23:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have made a little seasonal update – hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-31T09:02:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2013-03-31T09:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-12-26T23:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T10:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2013-03-31T09:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Cheers!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-31T10:27:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T10:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2013-03-31T09:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T20:28:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T10:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

• A brand of choc ice manufactured by the British Wall's ice cream
• the act of eating

now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!

Yours, aye John Lemon

Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-31T20:28:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T20:28:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T10:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T20:47:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T20:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!

Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-31T20:47:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T20:47:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2013-03-31T20:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) – Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240701122900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240701122900-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. – A meeting of two women – the occasion of the cantata – is pictured in our local church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240702164000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240702164000-July_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240707090700-Gerda_Arendt-20240702164000"]}}-->

Many thanks for this links, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240707090700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240707090700-Gerda_Arendt-20240702164000","replies":[]}}-->

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Proud to have had 2 women in green in June, and the third nom is in progress. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240703134000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240703134000-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) – Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) – 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton and who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240704121800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240704121800-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

On a friend's birthday – she is pictured on my talk – I have another RD death article that needs reviewing, Martti Wallén. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240706125900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240706125900-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, the bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240709103000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240709103000-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Found a bit more. Today's story is about her, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240711135800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240711135800-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240714195100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240714195100-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

She's on the Main page now. My story today is – because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 – about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was – because of the TFA – about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, – so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240716120500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240716120500-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

She's my story today. What would you suggest for a DYK? Don't miss video ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717220500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240717220500-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Yesterday I listened in concert to Mozart's Clarinet Quintet, with Sabine Meyer: a delight. – Today's story is about Ruth Hesse, with a pic in the article only, sadly (show your mom, – a profile with closed eyes). I found it difficult to point at a YouTube sample, because yes, her signature roles – the Nurse and Brangäne – exist in great full-length operas with great casts, but hard to find her. – Talking of YouTube: today I was pointed at Elijah by a friend who performed in the concert of the Dessoff Choirs in their centenary year, and I'm quite impressed by samples (beginning and No. 32 where I linked it) – enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719103600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240719103600-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11 If that's not enough my talk offers chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720114100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240720114100-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Just a look at music (on my talk) shows remembrance of three people who died, and creating an article or improving one is all I can do. Three are on the Main page today, and three others planned ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240723203100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240723203100-July_music","replies":[]}}-->

Similarly: Wikipedia:Main Page history/2024 July 30b will have a baritone, a violinist, a composer and a Bach cantata, – almost too much, and the composer's article, Wolfgang Rihm, should be better, help wanted. – Plenty of music on my parents anniversary day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240730215400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240730215400-July_music","replies":["c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20240730222500-Gerda_Arendt-20240730215400"]}}-->

Gerda, you may not have noticed, but Martin has not really contributed to Wikipedia since 18 June; about six weeks absence. The only reason I know this is because I have him on my 'watchlist', as we have colloborated on a couple of Wiki articles in relatively recent times. However, I do not have any idea as to why he has been absent for so long. Martin is normally such a regular contributor. I hope there is a simply explanation but... Just so you are aware. Regards. – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240730222500","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20240730222500-Gerda_Arendt-20240730215400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240730223000-Derek_R_Bullamore-20240730222500","c-Martinevans123-20240804082900-Derek_R_Bullamore-20240730222500"]}}-->

Martin sent me a thank you note 7 July, and it's vacation time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240730223000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240730223000-Derek_R_Bullamore-20240730222500","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the prompt Derek. Just taking a break. 😄 Martinevans123 (talk) 08:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804082900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240804082900-Derek_R_Bullamore-20240730222500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240804083800-Martinevans123-20240804082900","c-AukusRuckus-20240804142600-Martinevans123-20240804082900"]}}-->

Thanks for all the links Gerda. Especially to Les contes d'Hoffmann, which led me, via YT, to Anna Netrebko & Elīna Garanča. Hope all is well with you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804083800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240804083800-Martinevans123-20240804082900","replies":[]}}-->

Well, thank goodness for that: I had started to worry. On holiday? Anywhere nice? Let us know pre-absence next time, hey, so we can vicariously imagine cool travel destinations, rather than scenarios involving proverbial ditches, etc.? [END: Intrusive demand-mode by inveterate lurker.] Hope all's well; glad to see you around. AukusRuckus (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804142600","author":"AukusRuckus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-AukusRuckus-20240804142600-Martinevans123-20240804082900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240806202300-AukusRuckus-20240804142600"]}}-->

Thanks so much, Aukus. Yes, I hear East Sussex is lovely at this time of year. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240806202300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240806202300-AukusRuckus-20240804142600","replies":[]}}-->

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Yes now that we have a sign of life from you! To answer the question when I'm not around, always just look at the top of my talk, for story and music. Today's story is about the unusual cantata that Bach composed 300 years ago for today's 10th Sunday after Trinity. I am sure that you'll enjoy listening not only to the "surprise" which was a 2011 DYK, but the whole thing, especially No. 6. Under music, you'll see the latest concert (op. 111!), memory of the death of Wolfgang Rihm (leading to expansion of his biography in wonderful collaboration, and to two new articles so far), and the latest service which nicely connects to our latest concert of three Bach cantatas. Enjoy your break! I have a FAC open if you want work, and will nominate the cantata for GA today, promised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804090100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240804090100-August_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240804090500-Gerda_Arendt-20240804090100"]}}-->

Many thanks, Gerda! Rudbeckias looking very nice there. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804090500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240804090500-Gerda_Arendt-20240804090100","replies":["c-Ianmacm-20240804094600-Martinevans123-20240804090500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240807143200-Martinevans123-20240804090500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240808143300-Martinevans123-20240804090500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240813122800-Martinevans123-20240804090500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240815202800-Martinevans123-20240804090500"]}}-->

Martin missed all of the excitement with Huw Edwards. Nice time to take a holiday, though.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804094600","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20240804094600-Martinevans123-20240804090500","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, – I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work – rare! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240807143200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240807143200-Martinevans123-20240804090500","replies":[]}}-->

... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240808143300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240808143300-Martinevans123-20240804090500","replies":[]}}-->

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240813122800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240813122800-Martinevans123-20240804090500","replies":[]}}-->

Today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder). Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk), but it wasn't recorded, substituted with a "Pacific" one that comes with subtitles line by line in Latin and English: I learned something! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240815202800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240815202800-Martinevans123-20240804090500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240816210800-Gerda_Arendt-20240815202800"]}}-->

Many thanks for the update, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240816210800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240816210800-Gerda_Arendt-20240815202800","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240825134000-Martinevans123-20240816210800","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240827102000-Martinevans123-20240816210800"]}}-->

Thank you! – Sunday story about another of Bach's chorale cantatas, listen (alto aria #3!), as I listened to two impressive very different choral concerts, – music by 16 composers. In the latest cloudy pictures: a hidden deer, a cat and a blaze of a sunset. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825134000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240825134000-Martinevans123-20240816210800","replies":[]}}-->

Help? My story today is about a woman, nominated for RD but needing support as I write this. A composer died whose article is long and mostly unreferenced. And some articles open for review, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827102000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240827102000-Martinevans123-20240816210800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240827112600-Gerda_Arendt-20240827102000"]}}-->

Hi Gerda. I have made a few minor copyedits at Maryvonne Le Dizès and added from sourced recordings. I'm sure many more could be found. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827112600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240827112600-Gerda_Arendt-20240827102000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300-Martinevans123-20240827112600"]}}-->

Thank you – with your help she "made it" just before I went to bed. Goehr work is detailed on the talk. – Interesting animal pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240828210300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300-Martinevans123-20240827112600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240828210800-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240830192000-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240831211000-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300"]}}-->

No worries. My contributions were quite modest. Glad she got there. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240828210800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240828210800-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300","replies":[]}}-->

Today it's Siegfried Lorenz (baritone), on his birthday, nominated for RD. The concerns regarding Goehr are detailed on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830192000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240830192000-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300","replies":[]}}-->

Today is the birthday of Alma Mahler. I believe that Siegfried Lorenz should be mentioned on the Main page among the Recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831211000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240831211000-Gerda_Arendt-20240828210300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240831211600-Gerda_Arendt-20240831211000"]}}-->

Thanks Gerda. I've always been more Konrad. We obviously all need to wade in at Fatman Scoop. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831211600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240831211600-Gerda_Arendt-20240831211000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240831223500-Martinevans123-20240831211600"]}}-->

probably ;) – he appeared! Next needing support: Alexander Goehr --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831223500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240831223500-Martinevans123-20240831211600","replies":[]}}-->

I didn't understand what the question was. Deb (talk) 14:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240810142600","author":"Deb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Deb-20240810142600-Gwen?","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240810175900-Deb-20240810142600","c-AukusRuckus-20240814104700-Deb-20240810142600","c-Martinevans123-20240825081500-Deb-20240810142600"]}}-->

Hi Deb. I think Aukus was asking about Welsh morphology. Perhaps a question for the Talk page there. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240810175900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240810175900-Deb-20240810142600","replies":["c-Deb-20240810203600-Martinevans123-20240810175900"]}}-->

Oh, I see. There is some overlap between the articles, and some unnecessary duplication. Deb (talk) 20:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240810203600","author":"Deb","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Deb-20240810203600-Martinevans123-20240810175900","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for attempting to understand my ramblings, despite my incoherence, Martin. (You did a pretty good job.) And I'm sorry, I shouldn't have tried to start a discussion that way. Not really the best approach to take (blame my exasperation – which is not anyone else's problem). I appreciate you trying to recruit an expert to help. I will now take it to the more sensible venue, where Deb might weigh in if she would like to. Apologies all round! AukusRuckus (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240814104700","author":"AukusRuckus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AukusRuckus-20240814104700-Deb-20240810142600","replies":["c-AukusRuckus-20240814104700-AukusRuckus-20240814104700"]}}-->

Please see Talk:Literary Welsh morphology#Links to Welsh morphology, if interested. (I chose that page as the most recently active). Thanks. AukusRuckus (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240814104700","author":"AukusRuckus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AukusRuckus-20240814104700-AukusRuckus-20240814104700","replies":[]}}-->

Note: I speak Welsh almost as fluently as the Donald speaks Swahili. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825081500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240825081500-Deb-20240810142600","replies":[]}}-->

I suspect that the origin of that description [1] of the archbishop of York is due to the monarch being Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Though I think your phrasing is fine. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820171200","author":"Jonathan A Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jonathan_A_Jones-20240820171200-third-highest_office_of_the_Church_of_England","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240820190200-Jonathan_A_Jones-20240820171200"]}}-->

Thanks for your note Jonathan. I think you are probably right. We'd have to demote Justin too, wouldn't we? And, of course, Charles is not even a real vicar, is he. Although both primates, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820190200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240820190200-Jonathan_A_Jones-20240820171200","replies":[]}}-->

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Not an image, but a music sample. Now replaced with a link to full version. Never mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825174200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240825174200-B-bot-20240825173600","replies":["c-31.45.225.166-20240825181200-Martinevans123-20240825174200"]}}-->

Agree. 31.45.225.166 (talk) 18:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825181200","author":"31.45.225.166","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-31.45.225.166-20240825181200-Martinevans123-20240825174200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240825183300-31.45.225.166-20240825181200"]}}-->

Perhaps you're a B-bot sockpuppet? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825183300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240825183300-31.45.225.166-20240825181200","replies":[]}}-->

Doesn't get a mention, as it was really just an album track, but Aretha's 1964 version, from Runnin' Out of Fools, must be one of the best (arranged and conducted by Belford Hendricks). It was released as a Columbia Stereo Seven special 7" but never charted. Speaking of other versions, there have been a quite few. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827120000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240827120000-\"Walk_On_By\"","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin, I thought I should respond to you: the Bayesian sinking is an interesting topic and the point you raise about fuel and water levels is a relevant one which I have not seen covered elsewhere. If the sinking was due to the boat heeling, rather than hitting rocks, factors include the degree of heel, the duration of heel, the downflooding angle and the angle of vanishing stability. Contributory factors to these in turn include mast height and weight (some masts are carbon fibre rather than aluminium), engine weight, fixed ballast weight, retractable keel weight and position, water and fuel levels and the position and status of apertures e.g. ducts and hatches/ doors and whether they are open or closed. I have seen discussion that Bayesian was more vulnerable to downflooding and less able to right itself than racing yachts, for example. I do not know whether you could model the impact on the angles of varying fuel and water levels.

I am not answering you on the talk page for two reasons: the talk page is supposed to be only for discussion of article changes, not the subject – see notice at the top of the page – and we are not allowed to add original research to the article WP:NOR i.e. we can only add something for which there is an reliable, published source. So, if you wish to add fuel/ water levels to the article as a possible contributory cause of the sinking, you have to find a source for this. Whatever editors believe about it personally is beside the point. I hope this makes sense. Jontel (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830125600","author":"Jontel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jontel-20240830125600-Bayesian_ballast_talk_page","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240830131100-Jontel-20240830125600"]}}-->

Hi Jontel. Many thanks for your very informative note. Yes, I'm aware I might be straying into OR territory over there. I can assure you that personally I could certainly not ".. model the impact on the angles of varying fuel and water levels"! I'm more used to editing aircraft accidents, so I am a bit unsteady on all this... Thanks for all your improvements to the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830131100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240830131100-Jontel-20240830125600","replies":[]}}-->

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And he appeared! What do you think of my short version of the life of Alexander Goehr? Our DYK team would probably want to mention that he worked in a training kibbutz, while I was happy to include a link to an article by Brian Boulton, – we sang the Monteverdi Vespers on 1 September 2019. – Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902152000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240902152000-September_music","replies":[]}}-->

Today's story has 3 composers, I couldn't decide for the one on the Main page or the one who didn't make it on his bicentenary, so took both, and the pic has a third. Listen if you have a bit of time. The music, played by the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra in Germany in April 2022, impressed me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904145200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240904145200-September_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240906212700-Gerda_Arendt-20240904145200"]}}-->

Some tunes by the wonderful Herb Alpert on the BBC Proms tonight: enjoy this timeless classic from 1965 (marimba – Julius Wechter). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906212700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240906212700-Gerda_Arendt-20240904145200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240909134100-Martinevans123-20240906212700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240910193600-Martinevans123-20240906212700"]}}-->

Thank you, lovely! – Happy because my story today is about a Czech mezzo soprano who is mentioned on the Main page on her birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909134100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240909134100-Martinevans123-20240906212700","replies":[]}}-->

Happier about Bach's cantata on the Main page on its 300th birthday (per calendar), my story! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910193600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240910193600-Martinevans123-20240906212700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240910202800-Gerda_Arendt-20240910193600"]}}-->

Thanks Gerda. A truly wonderful piece. Here's the Netherlands Bach Society from 2019, with Jos van Veldhoven conductor, Maria Keohane soprano, Tim Mead alto, Daniel Johannsen tenor and Matthew Brook bass. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC) (And great to see Jos sporting his full De Bruyne mullet)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910202800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240910202800-Gerda_Arendt-20240910193600","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240910204300-Martinevans123-20240910202800"]}}-->

Thank you, and where do you land when clicking on "watch" in my story? – Please add the recording to the article! (or is that canvassing?) Did you see that I opened a talk page thread for calls for collaboration? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910204300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240910204300-Martinevans123-20240910202800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240910205100-Gerda_Arendt-20240910204300"]}}-->

Gerda, as you know, I'm far too busy to go clicking on any of your random Easter egg YouTube links! (It would only be canvassing if you asked me to support the addition of a YouTube link to an article you've probably spent a great deal of time and effort creating or improving). So I probably will, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910205100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240910205100-Gerda_Arendt-20240910204300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240910210900-Martinevans123-20240910205100"]}}-->

no idea what you mean by random: the "watch" is a video, and the "listen" an audio of what is described in the story ;) – the videos of the Dutch are usualyy added by User:Buxtehude, but the Swiss (Lutz) are usually also interesting, and have a good license. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910210900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240910210900-Martinevans123-20240910205100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240910211500-Gerda_Arendt-20240910210900"]}}-->

Gerda, please don't mislay your sense of humour if you post at my Talk page! I'm the one with the YouTube fixation! 😄 And sincere thanks for all your wonderfully bright musical contributions! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910211500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240910211500-Gerda_Arendt-20240910210900","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240911101300-Martinevans123-20240910211500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240911202300-Martinevans123-20240910211500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240912194000-Martinevans123-20240910211500"]}}-->

thank you, I think I missed it this time ;) – An accepted reference for recordings is Muziekweb, – see any recent Bach cantata, while Bach Cantatas and Discogs are not accepted, although Bach Cantatas is for sure the most detailed source about recordings around Bach. – Don't canvass about Herbie! Don't canvass about Herbie!! Don't canvass about Herbie!!! Not even tomorrow! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911101300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240911101300-Martinevans123-20240910211500","replies":[]}}-->

Three stories related to today in memory, 11 September, 20 July and 20 June, the latter piece of art also pictured on the Main page. – I began Schorlemmer today, more tomorrow. Will not nominate as long as Rebecca Horn is "on". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911202300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240911202300-Martinevans123-20240910211500","replies":[]}}-->

Nominated anyway, thanking that it usually takes some time to get – attention. I told an admired admin about the situation. El C used to post to ITNN but is rarely active. Of the five regulars, one only edits on weekends, one last on 7 Sep, and the other three only much earlier today. They usually come around towards midnight. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912194000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240912194000-Martinevans123-20240910211500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240912195500-Gerda_Arendt-20240912194000"]}}-->

Towards midnight? Ah yes, I should have guessed. Did you know... ... that British bassist Herbie Flowers provided the voice for Darth Vader in the Star Wars films? But he didn't. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912195500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240912195500-Gerda_Arendt-20240912194000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240912200000-Martinevans123-20240912195500"]}}-->

what I needed! – Don't talk about DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912200000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240912200000-Martinevans123-20240912195500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240912200500-Gerda_Arendt-20240912200000"]}}-->

And thank you for your unfailing non-requested support!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912200500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240912200500-Gerda_Arendt-20240912200000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240912210100-Martinevans123-20240912200500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240913130800-Martinevans123-20240912200500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240915204500-Martinevans123-20240912200500","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240917211900-Martinevans123-20240912200500"]}}-->

just don't think I support you ;) – I support a bassist and his music! Perhaps leave a note on the news talk (you need to say that it is about a nom because it's all on one page) that this was ready, and if they don't get their act together they should post him tomorrow. Or can you argue that his death was known only 6 Sep (per dates of death notices)? Then move him to that date. I need sleep now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912210100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240912210100-Martinevans123-20240912200500","replies":[]}}-->

Congrats! 3 hours into the new day and he appeared! – Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. – See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913130800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240913130800-Martinevans123-20240912200500","replies":[]}}-->

Today a story about one of the people behind the peaceful revolution. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240915204500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240915204500-Martinevans123-20240912200500","replies":[]}}-->

My story today is about a man who played jazz when it was banned by the Nazis, – you can listen to how they played it later, in the pictured place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917211900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240917211900-Martinevans123-20240912200500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240917213000-Gerda_Arendt-20240917211900"]}}-->

Thanks Gerda. Carl Jung?? (No, that was the Swiss one, wasn't it.) Here's Emile from 1985. Superb. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC) (Jo Flinner – electric piano)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917213000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240917213000-Gerda_Arendt-20240917211900","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240917213500-Martinevans123-20240917213000"]}}-->

Thanks for the tune! Did you read that E. played accordion back then? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917213500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240917213500-Martinevans123-20240917213000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240917214100-Gerda_Arendt-20240917213500"]}}-->

Yes, I did. What an amazing transition. That track recorded as "Großer Sendesaal, NDR Hannover"? Great atmosphere. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC) (I had only heard of his famous brother until a few years ago)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917214100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240917214100-Gerda_Arendt-20240917213500","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240918124000-Martinevans123-20240917214100"]}}-->

Did you know that I lived 4 walking minutes from the Sendesaal as a student? Heard Gary Burton? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918124000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":17,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240918124000-Martinevans123-20240917214100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240918124400-Gerda_Arendt-20240918124000"]}}-->

A cool, laid-back walk, I hope. Amazing. Yes, I have a prized vinyl copy of Good Vibes, haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918124400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":18,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240918124400-Gerda_Arendt-20240918124000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240918132500-Martinevans123-20240918124400","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240922185700-Martinevans123-20240918124400"]}}-->

You are spreading good vibes, DYK? – story: one of the great singers, places: recent concert from the back of the choir ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918132500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":19,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240918132500-Martinevans123-20240918124400","replies":[]}}-->

Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost, BWV 114, is one of the pieces in my topic of this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922185700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":19,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240922185700-Martinevans123-20240918124400","replies":[]}}-->

My story today features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful music, some from Venice, also with pics I took, – note the rose in the clarinet ;) – Do you think we can fill the few missing refs for Benny Golson? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925124100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240925124100-September_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240925125000-Gerda_Arendt-20240925124100"]}}-->

Thanks for telling me, Gerda. I hadn't heard. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925125000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240925125000-Gerda_Arendt-20240925124100","replies":[]}}-->

This is a heavy-handed revert. There has historically been no requirement to have a source saying "an album has now been released" when it's an uncontroversial detail to change tense. Readers like yourself can navigate to any music store set to where it's midnight in the world on that date to see it's been released. The source states "will be released on 6 September" and it's now 6 September, so wording has been changed to reflect that. Ss112 13:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905135600","author":"Ss112","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ss112-20240905135600-There_is_no_requirement_for_a_source_to_say_an_album_has_now_been_released","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240905141600-Ss112-20240905135600"],"displayName":"Ss"}}-->

There's a simple problem with logic here. A source dated 24 April 2024 can't support a claim for an event on 5 or 6 September 2024. Mr Gilmore may have had every intention of issuing his new album Luck and Strange today. But planned events don't always occur. Even the article for the album itself has no sources which claim that it has been released. And if the intention was for 6 September, that's tomorrow. Wikipedia requires sources to show that events actually happened. If the album has been released, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find a source that states that. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905141600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240905141600-Ss112-20240905135600","replies":["c-Ss112-20240906164900-Martinevans123-20240905141600"]}}-->

If there were some delay, a source would have been published prior to 6 September and an editor would likely have changed the date already. Sources are usually published for well-known music artists delaying their albums. The album had been out in only several countries for two hours when I updated the article. NZ or Australian news sources do not post articles stating that artists have released their album in those territories—this is not a thing that regularly happens. I update text relating to album releases every single week, have done so for years, and nobody has said "we need a new source to state the album is now out otherwise you cannot or should not change the text to say so", even on highly watched pages with experienced editors that regularly edit them. Therefore I have to conclude it is not a held belief that we need a new source to change text to say an album's release has occurred when we already have a source stating a date, no information about a delay is available because there isn't one, and that date has now passed. I even sought the opinion of @Sergecross73: on this matter, who said: "It's not like we require perpetual assurance from an artist or other sources that a release is still on track from its announcement." I couldn't have put it better. The source on the article stated a date, the date passed, the text can be updated. Pretty straightforward. Ss112 16:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906164900","author":"Ss112","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ss112-20240906164900-Martinevans123-20240905141600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240906172100-Ss112-20240906164900"],"displayName":"Ss"}}-->

Wikipedia relies on WP:RS sources. Pretty straightforward. Popcornfud has now added my suggested sources at David Gilmour and at Luck and Strange. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906172100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240906172100-Ss112-20240906164900","replies":["c-Ss112-20240906175500-Martinevans123-20240906172100"]}}-->

We had a source. I updated some text to say an event had occurred per the source. Thanks. Ss112 17:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906175500","author":"Ss112","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ss112-20240906175500-Martinevans123-20240906172100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240906175600-Ss112-20240906175500"],"displayName":"Ss"}}-->

I suggest that any further discussion should take place at Talk:David Gilmour. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906175600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240906175600-Ss112-20240906175500","replies":[]}}-->

...where doing a Welsh Grade I building Start article may take you. I had no idea that George Melly lived at Scethrog Tower, or that Bruce Chatwin wrote much of On The Black Hill there. KJP1 (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905153600","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-20240905153600-You_never_know...","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240905154800-KJP1-20240905153600"]}}-->

I actually saw George perform at Brecon once. Later that same night I managed to put my car through a hedge, which took the edge off the evening somewhat. Great entertainer. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905154800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240905154800-KJP1-20240905153600","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20240905203500-Martinevans123-20240905154800"]}}-->

I imagine the hedge didn't enjoy it either. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905203500","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20240905203500-Martinevans123-20240905154800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240905210600-Tryptofish-20240905203500"]}}-->

Sadly not. But I saw it as a very canny investment!! ... enjoy! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC) [reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905210600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240905210600-Tryptofish-20240905203500","replies":[]}}-->

RIP Sérgio Santos Mendes (February 11, 1941 – September 5, 2024): Mas Que Nada (with added peas)!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906213500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240906213500-S\u00e9rgio_Mendes","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240906215400-Martinevans123-20240906213500"]}}-->

And the 1966 original "Mais Que Nada" (Lani Hall lead vocal). Cheers! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906215400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240906215400-Martinevans123-20240906213500","replies":[]}}-->

RIP Brian Keith "Herbie" Flowers (19 May 1938 – 5 September 2024): And the colored girls go... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908082100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240908082100-Herbie_Flowers","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240908155800-Martinevans123-20240908082100"]}}-->

... and not forgetting "Rock On" (1973) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908155800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240908155800-Martinevans123-20240908082100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240908193200-Martinevans123-20240908155800"]}}-->

... or even "Melting Pot" (1969) ... which was personally very significant (and still is!) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908193200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240908193200-Martinevans123-20240908155800","replies":[]}}-->

The reason why he was not sacked (according to employment law experts) is that the BBC did not want to set off an unfair dismissal lawsuit that led to a payoff for Edwards. When he did resign, the BBC was keen to stress that he had not received a payoff. However, by then he had received a lot of money and a £40,000 pay rise, much to the annoyance of BBC staff and licence payers. Good news video here. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909100700","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20240909100700-Huw_Edwards","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240909101300-Ianmacm-20240909100700"],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

Ah yes, that sort of good news... I was so mad I nearly ripped up my virtual online TV licence!! [2] But thanks, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909101300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240909101300-Ianmacm-20240909100700","replies":["c-Ritchie333-20240909110600-Martinevans123-20240909101300"]}}-->

£32 for a TV licence? It's a disgrace! .... It's far too low! With the service the BBC provides, it should be at least £400! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909110600","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ritchie333-20240909110600-Martinevans123-20240909101300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240909110900-Ritchie333-20240909110600"]}}-->

Ah yes, I love these old 1960s repeats on BBC 4, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909110900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240909110900-Ritchie333-20240909110600","replies":["c-Ianmacm-20240911093300-Martinevans123-20240909110900"]}}-->

Legal experts have said that it would be difficult to recover money paid to Edwards after his arrest due to the innocent until proved guilty rule. This is why Tim Davie has said that the BBC might consider suspending staff without pay in the future. And even worse, I have had to burn my Blu-ray disc of Skyfall because it has Huw Edwards in it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911093300","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20240911093300-Martinevans123-20240909110900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240911093900-Ianmacm-20240911093300","c-Martinevans123-20240911101400-Ianmacm-20240911093300"],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

I suspect there are more editions of 10 O'Clock News with Huw than editions of Top of the Pops with Sir Jimmy, Perhaps they could pixelate him out? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911093900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240911093900-Ianmacm-20240911093300","replies":[]}}-->

Ah yes, didn't he leap out of a helicopter with the Queen, armed with a plate of marmalade sandwiches?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911101400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240911101400-Ianmacm-20240911093300","replies":["c-Ianmacm-20240913100400-Martinevans123-20240911101400"]}}-->

Also good for a laugh: Giovanni Di Stefano (aka "one of life's great swindlers") makes legal threats against Wikipedia and Jimbo here. Love the dark glasses, Giovanni.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913100400","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20240913100400-Martinevans123-20240911101400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240913100600-Ianmacm-20240913100400"],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

Mmmmm, Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milošević star clients. Nice. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913100600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240913100600-Ianmacm-20240913100400","replies":["c-Ianmacm-20240913101200-Martinevans123-20240913100600"]}}-->

And Jonathan King.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913101200","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20240913101200-Martinevans123-20240913100600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240913101400-Ianmacm-20240913101200"],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

Shame he never got a chance to sign up Sir Jimmy.....(as far as we know, of course) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913101400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240913101400-Ianmacm-20240913101200","replies":[]}}-->

Your recent editing history at Bertrand_Russell shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. AradhanaChatterjee (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910155500","author":"AradhanaChatterjee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AradhanaChatterjee-20240910155500-September_2024","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240910155800-AradhanaChatterjee-20240910155500"]}}-->

Don't you think it might be more constructive to engage in the thread I created at the talk page, instead of slapping on this pointless warning template? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910155800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240910155800-AradhanaChatterjee-20240910155500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240910160100-Martinevans123-20240910155800"]}}-->

... oh, and I reverted just two of your edits, on different things, once each. And now I am in an "edit war"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910160100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240910160100-Martinevans123-20240910155800","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin, John Keats already has a footnote section. Could fix the addition?

I hope you are doing well. Anna (talk) 20:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911201200","author":"Anna Roy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anna_Roy-20240911201200-John","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240911202700-Anna_Roy-20240911201200"],"displayName":"Anna"}}-->

Ah, thank you so much, Anna. Fixed now, I hope. Why do I continue to fanny around over there!? Apols. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911202700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240911202700-Anna_Roy-20240911201200","replies":[]}}-->

Fannying around is always welcome. Anna (talk) 18:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912181500","author":"Anna Roy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anna_Roy-20240912181500-John","replies":[],"displayName":"Anna"}}-->

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Matinees are cheaper! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912183900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240912183900-John","replies":["c-Anna_Roy-20240912193500-Martinevans123-20240912183900"]}}-->

Oh so much fannying about Anna (talk) 19:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912193500","author":"Anna Roy","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Anna_Roy-20240912193500-Martinevans123-20240912183900","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20240912211900-Anna_Roy-20240912193500"],"displayName":"Anna"}}-->

Take a load off. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912211900","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20240912211900-Anna_Roy-20240912193500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240912212200-Tryptofish-20240912211900"]}}-->

"Hey Bulldog"! (1971) (previously done by some obscure Liverpool boyband) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912212200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240912212200-Tryptofish-20240912211900","replies":[]}}-->

Nice one, Jon! [3].. the sort of story that should be in the news. "Heart to Hang Onto" from Rough Mix (1977). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912213400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240912213400-Another_John","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240913221200-Martinevans123-20240912213400"]}}-->

A simply brilliant album. "Street in the City". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913221200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240913221200-Martinevans123-20240912213400","replies":[]}}-->

On 13 September 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Herbie Flowers, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 04:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913040000","author":"Spencer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spencer-20240913040000-ITN_recognition_for_Herbie_Flowers","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240913081300-Spencer-20240913040000"]}}-->

Thank you, Spencer. I'm glad it eventually got posted. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913081300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240913081300-Spencer-20240913040000","replies":[]}}-->

Not to boast ... well actually I have very very little about which to boast so whatthehell whatthehell ... but I worked with Herbie on London Youth Opera for the odd week (or two ... mists of memory etc). Due to their weird sprawling network of connections the pro band could contain ludicrously bigtime people as well as smalltime no hopers like me. He was an absolute delight. No bigtime, no side, ridiculously modest about his awesome accomplishments. He was doubling on tuba besides bass and was less comfortable on it, he said, though I thought he was just great. It's a treasured memory that I met and worked with him. DBaK (talk) 09:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913091000","author":"DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20240913091000-Herbie_Flowers_2","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240913092000-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20240913091000"],"displayName":"DBaK"}}-->

Wow, amazing. Thanks for sharing that. Tuba and bass an unusual combination! His article probably ought to mention the number of records that have sampled that Wild Side bass line. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913092000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240913092000-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20240913091000","replies":[]}}-->

An example of why he was one of the finest ever boogie-woogie players: "Mac's Boogie" from Dr John Plays Mac Rebennack, 1981, Clean Cuts – CC 705. Just wonderful. Whole album. Just sayin' Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC) p.s. yes, that's just one piano; yes, that's just two hands...[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924202200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240924202200-Malcolm_John_Rebennack,_Jr.","replies":[]}}-->

RIP Benny Golson (1929–2024): "Stablemates", from Benny Golson and the Philadelphians (1958). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925183800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240925183800-Benny_Golson","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240925200000-Martinevans123-20240925183800","c-Mach61-20241010170900-Martinevans123-20240925183800"]}}-->

What a great album. Lee Morgan really shines (his one of the most premature and tragic deaths in jazz music). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925200000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240925200000-Martinevans123-20240925183800","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926183600-Martinevans123-20240925200000"]}}-->

Golson's article shines better than yesterday, but there's more sparkle in the sources (WP and BR especially). Your turn, I may look again tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926183600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926183600-Martinevans123-20240925200000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240926190300-Gerda_Arendt-20240926183600"]}}-->

Don't look! I might even add something, quietly... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926190300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240926190300-Gerda_Arendt-20240926183600","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926191000-Martinevans123-20240926190300","c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926191700-Martinevans123-20240926190300"]}}-->

I might add – from BR – that he said that "Whisper not" means ... nothing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926191000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926191000-Martinevans123-20240926190300","replies":[]}}-->

feel --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926191700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926191700-Martinevans123-20240926190300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240926192300-Gerda_Arendt-20240926191700"]}}-->

I'd probably choose this one, although adding audio links to musician articles is sometimes frowned upon. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926192300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240926192300-Gerda_Arendt-20240926191700","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926193000-Martinevans123-20240926192300"]}}-->

I like to see him playing ;) – I didn't mean for the article, but with a decent license – why not? – I think that he was the second-to-last person of that famous pic should even go to the lead, and some summary of musical style. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926193000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240926193000-Martinevans123-20240926192300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240926193300-Gerda_Arendt-20240926193000"]}}-->

Yes, videos are often better. I would agree with both suggestions. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240926193300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240926193300-Gerda_Arendt-20240926193000","replies":[]}}-->

Listening to it right now 👍 Mach61 17:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010170900","author":"Mach61","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mach61-20241010170900-Martinevans123-20240925183800","replies":[]}}-->

On 27 September 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Benny Golson, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927150000","author":"Firefangledfeathers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Firefangledfeathers-20240927150000-ITN_recognition_for_Benny_Golson","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20240927151500-Firefangledfeathers-20240927150000"]}}-->

Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927151500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240927151500-Firefangledfeathers-20240927150000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20240927223800-Martinevans123-20240927151500"]}}-->

preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240927223800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20240927223800-Martinevans123-20240927151500","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martinevans123. Thanks for your attention to the Repair Shop article. The IP editor (I assume it’s all the same one) seems immune to talkpage messages and the edit summaries we’ve used when reverting the edits. I’ve requested pending changes protection. —-Northernhenge (talk) 21:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240929213600","author":"Northernhenge","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Northernhenge-20240929213600-Repair_Shop","replies":["c-Northernhenge-20240930065300-Northernhenge-20240929213600","c-Martinevans123-20240930085700-Northernhenge-20240929213600"]}}-->

User(s) blocked. 2A02:C7C:B46D:8F00:0:0:0:0/64 x 1 week. --Northernhenge (talk) 06:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930065300","author":"Northernhenge","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Northernhenge-20240930065300-Northernhenge-20240929213600","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, thanks for telling me. Blades has been charged and bailed to appear at Worcester Crown Court on October 11. So we really shouldn't mention it until then. But the press has explained that he is "taking time out" from the show e.g. The Independent (although sourced from the Sun). It also seems that his uncle was killed in March. In an interview with The Independent, Blades said The Repair Shop "saved his life after he secured the presenting gig after an acute mental health crisis and an attempted suicide." Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930085700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20240930085700-Northernhenge-20240929213600","replies":[]}}-->

Released exactly 47 years ago today. Well, knock me darn wiv a fevver! Exquisitely crafted and economical Chaz Jankel guitar solo, jumping across the stereo channels. Widebrows wonder whether... A great premier... sheer magic. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 30 September 2024 UTC (Wake Up! .. with Wilco)

Stop it! You're making me feel old... It still sounds as fresh as the day it was made. John (talk) 18:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001185100","author":"John","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John-20241001185100-Also,_it_takes_much_longer_to_get_up_North,_the_slow_way....","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241001191200-John-20241001185100","c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20241001221700-John-20241001185100"]}}-->

My exact thoughts entirely. 47 years?? seems only like last week... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001191200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241001191200-John-20241001185100","replies":[]}}-->

I loved that thing so much. Still do. DBaK (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241001221700","author":"DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20241001221700-John-20241001185100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241002072800-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20241001221700"],"displayName":"DBaK"}}-->

Hampton Wick, Berkshire Hunt; Fraser and Nash, Pony and trap!! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002072800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241002072800-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20241001221700","replies":[]}}-->

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. Sloooow music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003120700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241003120700-Also,_it_takes_much_longer_to_get_up_North,_the_slow_way....","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241007223800-Gerda_Arendt-20241003120700"]}}-->

today Rohan de Saram – unbelievable story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007223800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241007223800-Gerda_Arendt-20241003120700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241008182600-Gerda_Arendt-20241007223800"]}}-->

Many thanks, Gerda. Great article. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008182600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241008182600-Gerda_Arendt-20241007223800","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008213200-Martinevans123-20241008182600","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241010221600-Martinevans123-20241008182600","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241011200500-Martinevans123-20241008182600"]}}-->

Today is the birthday of Tabea Zimmermann, and you can listen to the exact concert I mentioned last year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008213200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241008213200-Martinevans123-20241008182600","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you so much for improving Leif Segerstam. I'll join, but had one yesterday, one today, and there's one for tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010221600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241010221600-Martinevans123-20241008182600","replies":[]}}-->

Today I remember an organist who was pictured on the Main page on his birthday ten years ago, and I found two recent organ concerts to match, – see top of my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011200500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241011200500-Martinevans123-20241008182600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241011210100-Gerda_Arendt-20241011200500"]}}-->

Thanks, Gerda. Where would ITN/RD without you! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011210100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241011210100-Gerda_Arendt-20241011200500","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241011211300-Martinevans123-20241011210100"]}}-->

It would work somehow, but my kind of people wouldn't get attention: in 4 consecutive days a bishop, a conductor, a social scientist and then Segerstam. That Kris singer got a million views when he died, without RD, and de Saram no more than a few thousand. Today's organist is alive and happy, – good interview but in German, with bits of music. Never heard him live ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011211300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241011211300-Martinevans123-20241011210100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241011211700-Gerda_Arendt-20241011211300"]}}-->

Very glad to hear that Martin is still tickling the church ivories! Gerda, you really do know all the stars! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011211700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241011211700-Gerda_Arendt-20241011211300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012182200-Martinevans123-20241011211700"]}}-->

Today brought a timely promotion of Helmut Bauer to the Main page on the day when pieces from Mozart's Requiem were performed for him. – Next one nominated. Will probably skip the third. Haven't looked at Segerstam yet, – there's still tomorrow's cantata to adorn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012182200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012182200-Martinevans123-20241011211700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241013125300-Gerda_Arendt-20241012182200"]}}-->

Leif Segerstam is looking in pretty good shape. But I think I've lost some confidence in the ITN/RD process... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013125300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241013125300-Gerda_Arendt-20241012182200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013165400-Martinevans123-20241013125300"]}}-->

I looked into Segerstam now. It has a strange structure of an article, – I moved the details and refs from the lead to below where they were missing, merged the two corners for recordings and am inclined to do the same for "Compositions" and "Works". I added a few refs I can see and trust. My problem is that all the archived refs come back to me with a timeout message, ontop of being in Finnish or Swedish. Would you agree that the first "External link" looks good enough for a ref? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013165400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013165400-Martinevans123-20241013125300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241013170200-Gerda_Arendt-20241013165400"]}}-->

I tried the first ref, next to his name, and neither the live version nor the archived version work at all for me. I guessed it was translation issue. Yes, that BLF source looks good enough to me, especially as it has it's own set of sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013170200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241013170200-Gerda_Arendt-20241013165400","replies":["c-Grimes2-20241013171000-Martinevans123-20241013170200"]}}-->

Internet Archive's "The Wayback Machine" has been hacked and is down now. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/internet-archive-hacked-data-breach-impacts-31-million-users/ Grimes2 (talk) 17:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013171000","author":"Grimes2","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Grimes2-20241013171000-Martinevans123-20241013170200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241013172800-Grimes2-20241013171000","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013175300-Grimes2-20241013171000","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013195400-Grimes2-20241013171000"]}}-->

Hello Grimes2. Thank you very much for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013172800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241013172800-Grimes2-20241013171000","replies":[]}}-->

That explains it, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013175300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013175300-Grimes2-20241013171000","replies":[]}}-->

nominated --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013195400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241013195400-Grimes2-20241013171000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241013200200-Gerda_Arendt-20241013195400"]}}-->

That's very gracious of you, Gerda. Another one of the Seven Deadly Finns, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013200200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241013200200-Gerda_Arendt-20241013195400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016134100-Martinevans123-20241013200200"]}}-->

I made Leif Segerstam my big story today, and he has enough support to make an exception tomorrow. Let's not get nervous ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016134100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":17,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016134100-Martinevans123-20241013200200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241016134500-Gerda_Arendt-20241016134100"]}}-->

Stranger things have happened! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016134500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":18,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241016134500-Gerda_Arendt-20241016134100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241016165700-Martinevans123-20241016134500"]}}-->

... with Sammy Price on piano. Just utterly wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016165700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":19,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241016165700-Martinevans123-20241016134500","replies":[]}}-->

My story today is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on a psalm some thousand years old, – so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020173700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241020173700-Also,_it_takes_much_longer_to_get_up_North,_the_slow_way....","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241020201300-Gerda_Arendt-20241020173700"]}}-->

Thanks, Gerda. Very interesting. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020201300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241020201300-Gerda_Arendt-20241020173700","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241022104400-Martinevans123-20241020201300"]}}-->

Thank you! As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date (but Bach wrote it for the 20th Sunday, not the Tuesday after the 21st Sunday after Trinity). I sort of like it because it's the anniversary date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. I decided to make one of the songs he liked (and sang with a voice below bass) today's article, – can translate from German. You heard it here first before it's even on my user page ;) – I like what did for "Jinty", a lot! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022104400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241022104400-Martinevans123-20241020201300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241022104900-Gerda_Arendt-20241022104400"]}}-->

That's a first, I think... Gerda's grandfather's dahlias on the Main page! Good for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022104900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241022104900-Gerda_Arendt-20241022104400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241022112300-Martinevans123-20241022104900"]}}-->

Well, Chris said it's a fine pic, but is not formally qualified, and I didn't apply for FP after the lead image here was rejected (because of the photographer, not the quality). – My grandfather planted dahlias like that, and many other varieties, marking them by little metal plaques when inside for the winter, to remember height and colour. I loved that dedication. These particular ones were seen on last year's choir outing, in Aachen. – No, I meant the cantata, and was of course mistaken, because the last one was BWV 38 (for the 21st Sunday), with these strange discussions on the talk. (I really had forgotten that the rejected table was on the talk, and created it again, and it was rejected again ...) – BWV 180, first on 22 October 1724, then the 20th Sunday, was based on a somewhat younger hymn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022112300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241022112300-Martinevans123-20241022104900","replies":[]}}-->

Haha, yes I knew it was the cantata really! Glad it got there. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022120700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241022120700-Also,_it_takes_much_longer_to_get_up_North,_the_slow_way....","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241022131400-Martinevans123-20241022120700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241030165100-Martinevans123-20241022120700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241031164400-Martinevans123-20241022120700"]}}-->

song created – In today's story, I decided against the one I liked best, in favour of one with the choir mentioned, but the other is in music ;) – in case you can't find it: Lamento. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022131400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241022131400-Martinevans123-20241022120700","replies":[]}}-->

I hope you kept reading to the rich day. Today a caricature, for a change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030165100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241030165100-Martinevans123-20241022120700","replies":[]}}-->

Happy whatever you celebrate today, – greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031164400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241031164400-Martinevans123-20241022120700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241031172300-Gerda_Arendt-20241031164400"]}}-->

Happy Halloween! Give my regards to Señor KJP! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031172300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241031172300-Gerda_Arendt-20241031164400","replies":[]}}-->

It is worth noting that the hopelessly unreliable source of Discogs has David Gerald Palmer as the name at birth. I suspect that this one may run and run until her definitive obituary is published. Still alive, of course at present, but she is 87. This is when D.I. Hamilton would put his deerstalker on, but I must report he is, sadly, largely AWOL these days. – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005233700","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241005233700-Dee_Palmer","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241006084600-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241005233700","c-Martinevans123-20241009170600-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241005233700"]}}-->

We know we can't use FreeBMD as a source, but it has this record for a David V. Palmer registered in the second quarter 1937, mmn Breens, but in Romford not Hendon. There are no David Palmer births registered in Hendon in 1937 or 1938. How very frustrating. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006084600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241006084600-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241005233700","replies":[]}}-->

And, while you're here... any idea which year Bernard Purdie was born?? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009170600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241009170600-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241005233700","replies":["c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009181900-Martinevans123-20241009170600"]}}-->

Not definitely, But... AllMusic reckons 1939, whilst The Guinness Who's Who of Jazz does not list him at all. I have more Larkin publications, but they are presently under a pile of stuff destined for the local charity shop(s). You know how it is. Again our old mate Guy would probably turn something up, but he seems to be otherwise detained these days. I assume that book you added (currently a bare URL, you naughty boy) states 1939 ? On that evidence I vote we stick by our guns until someone comes up with a reliable source or two, stating something else. It might be one of those cases where the article ultimately has to state his DOB is disputed – but I don't think we are there yet. Any help ? – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009181900","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009181900-Martinevans123-20241009170600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241009182500-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009181900"]}}-->

How very dare you. There's nothing bare about Clifford and Frame (1986), any more, thankyou! Why would Purdie himself have 1942 and other reliable sources not?! Good luck charity shops! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009182500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241009182500-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009181900","replies":["c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009183300-Martinevans123-20241009182500"]}}-->

The time lag thing did for me ! Anyhow, Purdie reckoned he drummed on umpteen Beatles numbers, but can not provide any proof, so I would not go a bundle on him getting his DOB right. Do you think I should give the charity shop advance warning ? – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009183300","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009183300-Martinevans123-20241009182500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241009185800-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009183300"]}}-->

Ah yes, "let's do the time lag again"!! (in fact, that might be a useful link to warn your local charity shop...) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009185800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241009185800-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241009183300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241020201800-Martinevans123-20241009185800"]}}-->

Hard to believe that Wikipedia has been going... ooo, what is it... 40, 45 years?? already. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020201800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241020201800-Martinevans123-20241009185800","replies":["c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241020213700-Martinevans123-20241020201800"]}}-->

Yeah, and even harder to believe it has not got anything right yet !? Still, there's always The Sun. – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020213700","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241020213700-Martinevans123-20241020201800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241021085400-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241020213700"]}}-->

Glad I've finally found our Page 3... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241021085400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241021085400-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241020213700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi , thanks for your recent reversal of my edit on JPR Williams, which I don't argue with at all.

I wondered how your attention had been drawn to it – are you allocated an area of coverage within some 'wiki article checking' structure?

apologies for ignorance but I couldn't see an explanation for how it works anywhere. Thanks Asto77 (talk) 16:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011165800","author":"Asto77","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asto77-20241011165800-an_ignorant_question-_apologies","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241011170500-Asto77-20241011165800"]}}-->

Hi Asto77. I'm glad you were happy with that revert. I simply saw it on my watchlist. I assume you have one? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011170500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241011170500-Asto77-20241011165800","replies":["c-Asto77-20241012060900-Martinevans123-20241011170500"]}}-->

tks Asto77 (talk) 06:09, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012060900","author":"Asto77","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Asto77-20241012060900-Martinevans123-20241011170500","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Singleton4321. Thank you. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013104200","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ritchie333-20241013104200-October_2024","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241013111400-Ritchie333-20241013104200"]}}-->

Thank you for raising this. I'm not sure I can add any more that's not already very clearly visible at Talk:Oliver James (psychologist) and User talk:Singleton4321. Other affected editors may wish to comment. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013111400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241013111400-Ritchie333-20241013104200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241013222600-Martinevans123-20241013111400"]}}-->

I must admit I had not considered the possibility that the IP editor and/or the registered user is/are, in fact, a mischeivous third party who is intent on portraying Mr James in as poor a light as possible. I'm not sure there are Wikipedia procedures that allow for the confirmation or refutation of such a possibility. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241013222600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241013222600-Martinevans123-20241013111400","replies":[]}}-->

On 16 October 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Leif Segerstam, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 16:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016162100","author":"Spencer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spencer-20241016162100-ITN_recognition_for_Leif_Segerstam","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241016165400-Spencer-20241016162100"]}}-->

Thank you, Spencer. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016165400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241016165400-Spencer-20241016162100","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Martin, this is Lizzie Nelson, Jinty Nelson’s daughter. My parents divorced in 2010 (their marriage was not dissolved) and I added myself and my brother Billy as her children. Please reinstate these changes. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 20:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016205300","author":"5.80.223.165","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-5.80.223.165-20241016205300-a_request","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241016210300-5.80.223.165-20241016205300"]}}-->

Hello Lizzie. Yes, I guessed that it might have been you or your brother. Please accept my sincere condolences. I'll see if we can agree to change that, even though the source says something slightly different. I'm sorry that Wikipedia articles can only include family members who are notable (i.e. also have a Wikipedia article) in the infobox. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016210300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241016210300-5.80.223.165-20241016205300","replies":["c-5.80.223.165-20241016222400-Martinevans123-20241016210300"]}}-->

Thank you Martin. I think you can add Lizzie and Billy as her children without us having Wikipedia pages ourselves. If you can do so, I’d appreciate it. Many thanks. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016222400","author":"5.80.223.165","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-5.80.223.165-20241016222400-Martinevans123-20241016210300","replies":["c-5.80.223.165-20241016222700-5.80.223.165-20241016222400"]}}-->

but if that’s not how it works it’s no problem. Thanks again. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 22:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016222700","author":"5.80.223.165","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-5.80.223.165-20241016222700-5.80.223.165-20241016222400","replies":["c-InedibleHulk-20241016231600-5.80.223.165-20241016222700","c-InedibleHulk-20241016232300-5.80.223.165-20241016222700"]}}-->

The infobox at least now recognizes you two's existence and the body is logically following about your parents' divorce. I think Martin is right that we'd need a "reliable source" for your first or middle names. If it's any consolation, divorce is the main form of marriage dissolution to many readers outside of Britain, so it's not like this lot ever presumed anything but divorce in 2010. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016231600","author":"InedibleHulk","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-InedibleHulk-20241016231600-5.80.223.165-20241016222700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241017073700-InedibleHulk-20241016231600"]}}-->

Yes, having "2" for children, in the infobox, is fine. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017073700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241017073700-InedibleHulk-20241016231600","replies":[]}}-->

OK, I've added your names, because I like them and I trust you. This may not be entirely by-the-book, but that's me, InedibleHulk. I can't promise they'll stick, and hope I don't hear from her real children later, but this seems reasonable enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016232300","author":"InedibleHulk","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-InedibleHulk-20241016232300-5.80.223.165-20241016222700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241017073400-InedibleHulk-20241016232300"]}}-->

I'm very surprised. I'd not have expected Who's Who to name them, unless they were also notable in some way. And I think it's very unlikely we'll find any other source that names them, unless they personally know of one and could provide it. As the article is now nominated at ITN/RD, it should hopefully get more eyes on. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC) p.s. but see now Talk:Janet Nelson#Family.[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017073400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241017073400-InedibleHulk-20241016232300","replies":["c-5.80.223.165-20241018160800-Martinevans123-20241017073400"]}}-->

Hello Martin, this is Lizzie again, just to thank you for the edits you have made, they are very much appreciated. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018160800","author":"5.80.223.165","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-5.80.223.165-20241018160800-Martinevans123-20241017073400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241018161300-5.80.223.165-20241018160800"]}}-->

No worries, Lizzie. Your mother was held in very high esteem in the medieval history academic community in the UK. Hopefully a link to her article will soon appear on the Main page. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241018161300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241018161300-5.80.223.165-20241018160800","replies":[]}}-->

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I was looking for Sir John Reid, this guy, "... born in Manchester on 28 October 1861: son of James Reid. Died 25 January 1933. Educated Glasgow Academy, Herbertshire Castle School and Glasgow Mechanics Institute. Apprenticed Neilson Reid. Taken into partnership in 1893. Knighted 1918.": ([4]) But there is no article for him yet. Seems he was an avid art collector, especially of Jean-Baptiste-Camille Corot. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019172200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241019172200-DPL_bot-20241018195600","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank you. So will dedicate this to Dame Jinty for her 2019 King and Emperor: A New Life of Charlemagne! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC) ("Larry Carlton's multi-sectioned, cosmic-jazz lead in this cut may be the best of all: It's so complex it's a song in its own right.")[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019102300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241019102300-Bagumba-20241019101500","replies":[]}}-->

You are very much appreciated. I wish the majority of WP editors were as civil. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 14:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019145100","author":"Bill the Cat 7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bill_the_Cat_7-20241019145100-Thank_You!!","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank you Bill, that's very kind of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019171700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241019171700-Bill_the_Cat_7-20241019145200","replies":["c-Bill_the_Cat_7-20241019182500-Martinevans123-20241019171700"]}}-->

My pleasure. You've earned acknowledgement. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019182500","author":"Bill the Cat 7","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bill_the_Cat_7-20241019182500-Martinevans123-20241019171700","replies":[]}}-->

If only it was that time...

• "The crowd, who bizarrely remained in attendance, were treated to Luciano Pavarotti's rendition of “Ave Marie,” Sinead O’Connor’s “Nothing Compares 2 U” , Guns N' Roses “November Rain” and James Brown’s “It's A Man’s World” to name just a few."
• "Another person compared the moves to a "drunk great aunt at the end of the wedding whilst other guests place bets on how long she’ll stay upright for"." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241022092700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241022092700-\"Time_to_Say_Goodbye\"","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, Martin. Hope all's well. Sorry to ask out of the blue, but can you help me with something? I wonder if you can help me in finding the names of the parents of John Thomas Straffen (b. 27 Feb. 1930)? His father – acc. to some sources – was John Thomas Sr., but it is the name and maiden name of the mother which, in particular, I need to locate for (Surprise Surprise our Cilla) the Wiki. true crime article. Kieronoldham (talk) 02:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023023000","author":"Kieronoldham","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kieronoldham-20241023023000-John_Thomas_Straffen","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241023070900-Kieronoldham-20241023023000"]}}-->

Hi Kieron. Great to hear from you. I'll see what I can find. For a start, this FreeBMD record says his mother's name was Morgan. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023070900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241023070900-Kieronoldham-20241023023000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241023091000-Martinevans123-20241023070900"]}}-->

I see that this source says "John Thomas Straffen Sr", but I have no idea how reliable a source that book might be. The author, R. Michael Gordon, has no wiki article, but the book looks OK. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023091000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241023091000-Martinevans123-20241023070900","replies":["c-Kieronoldham-20241024024100-Martinevans123-20241023091000"]}}-->

Thanks, Martinevans123. Invaluable info. Key.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024024100","author":"Kieronoldham","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kieronoldham-20241024024100-Martinevans123-20241023091000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241024070400-Kieronoldham-20241024024100"]}}-->

Sorry, I don't currently have access to any genealogy site, where his father and mother's full names might be available. His father's details are probably available somewhere on the numerous military research sites, or may be requested from the military records via gov.uk. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC) p.s. you might also find this article useful.[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241024070400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241024070400-Kieronoldham-20241024024100","replies":["c-Kieronoldham-20241025023000-Martinevans123-20241024070400"]}}-->

Don't worry I am going to use the info. you provided – I'll find her first name. :) I found a licensed image of Straffen's mother giving her first name online a short while ago. Will soon relocate it. Thanks again for your help.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025023000","author":"Kieronoldham","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Kieronoldham-20241025023000-Martinevans123-20241024070400","replies":[]}}-->

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Glad you have taken a bit of spare time viewing all contributions from a certain user account even if articles may not be of interest to you. Your part in anti-vandalism helps keeps Wikipedia in a good state of viewing for everyone. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023152700","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20241023152700-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241023153200-Iggy_the_Swan-20241023152700"],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

Thanks Iggy. You know how it is... One gets all pumped up. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241023153200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241023153200-Iggy_the_Swan-20241023152700","replies":[]}}-->

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Congrats, Martin, as the lucky winner, you even get a free hurricane. (Extra-large.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030200100","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241030200100-Martinevans123-20241030105100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241030200400-Tryptofish-20241030200100"]}}-->

Yay!! I knew those Jimbo sex tapes would come in handy one day! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030200400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241030200400-Tryptofish-20241030200100","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241030201000-Martinevans123-20241030200400"]}}-->

Indeed! It's always darkest before the storm. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030201000","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241030201000-Martinevans123-20241030200400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241030201700-Tryptofish-20241030201000"]}}-->

Yes-siree! Let's "Make America Gruesome Again" ... Storm on, I say! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030201700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241030201700-Tryptofish-20241030201000","replies":[]}}-->

(talk page stalker) Please forward your bank details to enable us to send you your prize. For added security we are required to ask you for your banking details such as your branch, mother's maiden name and the name of your first pet.

(I've no idea how I have ended up here, I can only assume I've reverted vandalism on your page at some point) Knitsey (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030200600","author":"Knitsey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Knitsey-20241030200600-Martinevans123-20241030105100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241030201900-Knitsey-20241030200600"]}}-->

Haha, lol. Don't worry Knittersy, you'll get your cut! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030201900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241030201900-Knitsey-20241030200600","replies":[]}}-->

Wow

"He's [Elon Musk] something – he's a piece of work, I'll tell you. But he had it done in about 15 seconds. He said, "Look, it goes right up to the satellite." It's already back down. And they had so much – they had such great communication so rapidly. It's incredible, actually. And the situation in western North Carolina is very catastrophic, very bad."]

"The green new scam is one of the greatest, most difficult things to be watching. The real number they want is $93 trillion. They want buildings taken down and new buildings built without windows because it's more efficient. Let's do that. Let's just tell people. You have a beautiful apartment, but you don't have any windows."

"It used to be a part of Russia. But he had a whole history going. It was something – he would have never done it. He would have never done it with me there. I mean, I can't speak for the future, probably would have done it eventually. He would have done it because he wanted it. But this was something that was very important to him, but he would have never done it."

"They just come up, they want to do things like no more cows and no windows in buildings... They have some wonderful plans for this country... Honestly, they’re crazy, and they’re really hurting out country, badly.

etc., etc., etc.

Just wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103124400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241103124400-And_while_we're_here..._75_million_voters?_really?","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241103230400-Martinevans123-20241103124400"]}}-->

Wanna trade? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103230400","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241103230400-Martinevans123-20241103124400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241104080300-Tryptofish-20241103230400"]}}-->

Quite a few political slebs going spare over here... Some also have extensive experience in TV news. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104080300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241104080300-Tryptofish-20241103230400","replies":[]}}-->

[5]: I took you up on this. 90.142.52.139 (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031214100","author":"90.142.52.139","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-90.142.52.139-20241031214100-Aladdin","replies":["c-Bishonen-20241031220500-90.142.52.139-20241031214100","c-Martinevans123-20241031220600-90.142.52.139-20241031214100"]}}-->

Stop edit warring at Aladdin (disambiguation), 90.142.xx, or you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031220500","author":"Bishonen","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bishonen-20241031220500-90.142.52.139-20241031214100","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, I have replied at Talk:Aladdin (disambiguation). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031220600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241031220600-90.142.52.139-20241031214100","replies":[]}}-->

What on earth were we doing, in 1974's UK, lapping up Auntie's Top of the Flops, when there was real stuff going on, just across the North Sea, in the Land of Clogs and Windmills, such as gems like this. Possibly their finest ever rocker. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241102215400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241102215400-TopPop","replies":[]}}-->

Timeless. What a complete Delight. Yeah, Baby! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104190300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241104190300-RIP_Quincy_Jones","replies":["c-Ianmacm-20241104191000-Martinevans123-20241104190300"]}}-->

What about the theme from Ironside (1967 TV series)? It's on a well known video website, but I won't link it here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104191000","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20241104191000-Martinevans123-20241104190300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241104191800-Ianmacm-20241104191000"],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

Oh, yes!! Well, 95% timeless anyway... And I will link this version as it's posted by Quincy Jones Productions and "Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group"... but, yeah, the actual theme is a real classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104191800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241104191800-Ianmacm-20241104191000","replies":["c-Ianmacm-20241105084300-Martinevans123-20241104191800"]}}-->

Fly Me to the Moon (Frank Sinatra's 1964 version) is arranged and conducted by Quincy Jones.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105084300","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20241105084300-Martinevans123-20241104191800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241105101700-Ianmacm-20241105084300"],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

Some friendly advice, Ian: Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough. Owww!! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105101700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241105101700-Ianmacm-20241105084300","replies":[]}}-->

story · music · places

memories – Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104223300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241104223300-November_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241105080600-Gerda_Arendt-20241104223300"]}}-->

Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105080600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241105080600-Gerda_Arendt-20241104223300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241105212600-Martinevans123-20241105080600","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241107203300-Martinevans123-20241105080600"]}}-->

Madrid – Freiheit (Freedom) to listen to in the story, – they changed it from Freude in 2022. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105212600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241105212600-Martinevans123-20241105080600","replies":[]}}-->

For a surprise, a Bach cantata is on the Main page today, where it was last year for the 300th anniversary, and they were too lazy to find something new ;) – Look at my story, and listen to the 3 whole-tone steps and the dialogues of Fear and Hope. – An open letter open to be signed (more info on the talk), – I haven't checked if you did, please ignore then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241107203300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241107203300-Martinevans123-20241105080600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241108090700-Gerda_Arendt-20241107203300"]}}-->

Thanks, Gerda. No High Court in Delhi will ever get my real name! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108090700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241108090700-Gerda_Arendt-20241107203300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241109210500-Martinevans123-20241108090700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241111152600-Martinevans123-20241108090700"]}}-->

Today's story relates to 2 meanings of 9 Nov, – imagine: I found a DYK I liked from 2006, before my time here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109210500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241109210500-Martinevans123-20241108090700","replies":[]}}-->

I uploaded more pics, on a mountain in the sun above the fog. – Madeleine Riffaud – remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111152600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241111152600-Martinevans123-20241108090700","replies":[]}}-->

Can you help referencing Charles Dumont (singer)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119142200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241119142200-November_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241119142500-Gerda_Arendt-20241119142200"]}}-->

Hello Gerda. I will try and have a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119142500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241119142500-Gerda_Arendt-20241119142200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241130193600-Martinevans123-20241119142500"]}}-->

Odile Bailleux on the Main page. (see further down) – I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241130193600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241130193600-Martinevans123-20241119142500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241130204000-Gerda_Arendt-20241130193600"]}}-->

Well done Gerda. Thanks for the links. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241130204000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241130204000-Gerda_Arendt-20241130193600","replies":[]}}-->

On 8 November 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article John Cannan, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 01:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108015600","author":"Schwede66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Schwede66-20241108015600-ITN_recognition_for_John_Cannan","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241108090200-Schwede66-20241108015600"],"displayName":"Schwede"}}-->

Thanks Schwede66. Yes, grim. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108090200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241108090200-Schwede66-20241108015600","replies":[]}}-->

Mantle with a plum. (Sorry for slipping you a Mickey.) --Tryptofish

So long the other Gazza. Those crisps will never taste quite the same. And what would dear old Ron Manager say? ... "can you imagine"?? But I hear there's already someone waiting in the wings, ready for a new career. Good on yer Justin, mate. Get in, I say!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111221700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241111221700-End_of_an_era","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241111224100-Martinevans123-20241111221700"]}}-->

Mikey Mantles? Wasn't he one of those quarter-backs?? This just isn't cricket, old chap. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111224100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241111224100-Martinevans123-20241111221700","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241111224400-Martinevans123-20241111224100"]}}-->

Now, now, give the little guy a break. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111224400","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241111224400-Martinevans123-20241111224100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241112212400-Tryptofish-20241111224400"]}}-->

Phew! I knew this would resolve itself one way or the other. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112212400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241112212400-Tryptofish-20241111224400","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241112213700-Martinevans123-20241112212400"]}}-->

Who's the guy in that photo? Trump's new Czar of the Separation of Church and State? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112213700","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241112213700-Martinevans123-20241112212400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241112215000-Tryptofish-20241112213700"]}}-->

Well, almost. He's Sir Keir's new Anglican Inclusivity Czar. *(Note: will oversee new fan fencing arrangements) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112215000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241112215000-Tryptofish-20241112213700","replies":[]}}-->

Will be working closely alongside:

The Bombing Ukraine Czar Czar,

The Gaza Holocaust Czar and

The Czar Czar Viktor Orbán.

Very sorry to report that Sir Keir's search for a new Secretary of Defence has produced no response from GB News. So he's now looking at other former TV presenters. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113093500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241113093500-End_of_an_era","replies":["c-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241114015200-Martinevans123-20241113093500"]}}-->

John Healey is not going You for Me and Me for You (talk) 01:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114015200","author":"You for Me and Me for You","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241114015200-Martinevans123-20241113093500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241114084800-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241114015200"]}}-->

Not going anywhere? He could manage a couple of days in Brussels, surely? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114084800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241114084800-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241114015200","replies":["c-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241115222500-Martinevans123-20241114084800"]}}-->

I didn't say anywhere. Healey is not going, the implication being that he is not leaving his current position. Ok, jokes be bygone, you can do this, you know? But jokes have to be jokes and sometimes, you know, it's raining over there again, so it makes sense, right?

Starmer should instead hire the late Dr. House for a personality transplant. You for Me and Me for You (talk) 22:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115222500","author":"You for Me and Me for You","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241115222500-Martinevans123-20241114084800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241115224600-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241115222500"]}}-->

Sounds sensible. What The Donald really needs is another COVID pandemic. That should sort out all those illegal aliens. [6] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241115224600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241115224600-You_for_Me_and_Me_for_You-20241115222500","replies":[]}}-->

Roy Owen Haynes (March 13, 1925 – November 12, 2024): "He is considered to have been a pioneer of jazz drumming". From We Three (1959): "Reflection". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114221100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241114221100-RIP_Roy_Haynes","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for lending a bit of time to remove incorrect information on the Wynne Evans article, especially as the results never get aired until later on Sundays.

Yesterday I have taken away another bit of incorrect information on the current Strictly Come Dancing series 22 competition. Both IP addresses don't know the rules about citing or introducing factual errors as you noticed today. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117111300","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117111300-Wynne_Evans","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241117114500-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117111300"],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

Yes, as usual, just an excited plot spoiler, I suspect. We all know it's a convenient fiction. I guess the BBC just has most WP:RS sources on trust. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC) p.s. I had no idea that Paul Anka had done a version of "Jump". We need more AC/DC!![reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117114500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241117114500-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117111300","replies":["c-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117120900-Martinevans123-20241117114500"]}}-->

Not the first time that's happened: an earlier edit was made before the results which turns out to be true in the end of 6 October. Usually it's non-famous audience members who edits before they are publicly aired on TV. And some other singers who done songs are not what other people expect either but as usual the article must be accurate with the sources. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117120900","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117120900-Martinevans123-20241117114500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241117121900-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117120900","c-Martinevans123-20241117124300-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117120900"],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

Yes, I've seen in it many previous series. Always anon IP editors, as I recall. Given the huge interest and the size of the live audience (and production staff), I guess it's an open secret on many social media platform, by about 9 pm on a Saturday night. I'm always a bit disappointed by the "in no particular order" results format. I know it's more polite, but I still want to go and see somewhere exactly how they ranked. That's what I pay my TV licence for!! I'm surprised the BBC is not called to account! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117121900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241117121900-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117120900","replies":[]}}-->

p.s. Cousin Wynne can be a bit bullish. But let's face it, he did struggle with his swivel. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117124300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241117124300-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117120900","replies":["c-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117220200-Martinevans123-20241117124300"]}}-->

Turns out those IP edits I was referring to are correct as well even though I obviously said it was "incorrect information". About time I should actually avoid edit spying on Sundays until the competition is over. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117220200","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117220200-Martinevans123-20241117124300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241117221800-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117220200"],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

Such a shame, as his dance off performance was much better! But still a bizarre choice of music for a Charleston. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117221800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241117221800-Iggy_the_Swan-20241117220200","replies":[]}}-->

I put this because politically, Wessex ceased to exist and annexed by the Kingdom of England in 927 when Æthelstan unified the petty English kingdoms into one political entity. The writer fixer (talk) 17:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117175900","author":"The writer fixer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_writer_fixer-20241117175900-The_Kingdom_of_Wessex_ceased_to_exist_in_927","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241117180500-The_writer_fixer-20241117175900"]}}-->

Hello The writer fixer. I see you are a new editor, I'm sure you're very welcome to make any necessary corrections. But if you do, you need to add some kind of WP:RS source(s) which support(s) your claims. If you don't mind, I'll copy this thread over to Talk:Wessex, where is better belongs. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117180500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241117180500-The_writer_fixer-20241117175900","replies":[]}}-->

On 17 November 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Roy Haynes, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 22:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117225800","author":"Spencer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spencer-20241117225800-ITN_recognition_for_Roy_Haynes","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241118083900-Spencer-20241117225800"]}}-->

Many thanks, Spencer. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118083900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241118083900-Spencer-20241117225800","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Martinevans123,

Thank you for your question. Could you do me a favor and sign your questions? I had to go into the page history to see who was asking about the Open Letter. Many thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241117231800","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-20241117231800-ACE_questions","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241118083400-Liz-20241117231800"]}}-->

Sorry Liz, I'm obviously (still) confused about the format there, where the template doesn't show the need for any signature. I must have assumed it was automatically added. I did the same at Leekycauldron and it was autosigned as normal. (This Reply also gets autosigned, of course, so one gets out of the habit!) Many thanks for your fulsome answer. Not sure I have any more questions for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241118083400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241118083400-Liz-20241117231800","replies":[]}}-->

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I think I have gone as far as I intend on this article, but noticed you recently reverted a middle name for Dumont. I earlier saw on the article's talk page that another editor posted 'Gaston' there, but again without a source. Funny/coincidental that two editors both came up with this. Is there any mileage in further investigation ? Blimey, where's Guy when you want him. Cheers. – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121210900","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241121210900-Charles_Dumont","replies":["c-Tommy_Kronkvist-20241121212000-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241121210900"]}}-->

@Derek R Bullamore: One source for the name "Charles Gaston Dumont" can be found in the Catalog of the German National Library, see here.
–Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 21:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121212000","author":"Tommy Kronkvist","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tommy_Kronkvist-20241121212000-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241121210900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241121222300-Tommy_Kronkvist-20241121212000","c-Martinevans123-20241124135500-Tommy_Kronkvist-20241121212000"]}}-->

Are there any others, I wonder? If you have faith in that single source, Tommy, I guess you could restore. Perhaps Gerda could judge its quality? But the "unlikely" in my edit summary sprang from the complete absence of that middle name at the fr:wiki article for Charles Dumont. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121222300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241121222300-Tommy_Kronkvist-20241121212000","replies":[]}}-->

I see there is another source here Martinevans123 (talk) 13:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124135500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241124135500-Tommy_Kronkvist-20241121212000","replies":["c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241124141000-Martinevans123-20241124135500"]}}-->

Yes, I see that the article has been edited using The Washington Post as a reference (probably either paywalled or blocked outside of the US). – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124141000","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241124141000-Martinevans123-20241124135500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241124145800-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241124141000"]}}-->

I registered an account, thinking there might be a free access period or area, but immediately got paywalled with a "limited time offer" of £15 annual subscription (full cost £60). I can't be bothered with the alternative of paying 99p every 4 weeks (full cost £6), so I think I'll just leave it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241124145800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241124145800-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241124141000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241125124400-Martinevans123-20241124145800"]}}-->

Thank you for what you all did for his article. I found a ref in Der Spiegel but find edition mobile just a struggle, – sorry. Last day for him. Can some refs for books perhaps be moved to the end of paras? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125124400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241125124400-Martinevans123-20241124145800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241125125500-Gerda_Arendt-20241125124400"]}}-->

No worries, thanks for telling me. Will have a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125125500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241125125500-Gerda_Arendt-20241125124400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241127231300-Martinevans123-20241125125500"]}}-->

I gave up on him, sorry, – perhaps when I'll get done with the things not done during my absence I could give him an article in German. – Now the next one reached the last day on itnn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127231300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241127231300-Martinevans123-20241125125500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241130204400-Gerda_Arendt-20241127231300"]}}-->

Well, I regret nothing. Let's not forget Mireille. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241130204400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241130204400-Gerda_Arendt-20241127231300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241130212700-Martinevans123-20241130204400"]}}-->

p.s. there's brass, then there's tight brass, and then there's Hi Records brass... owwwch!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241130212700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241130212700-Martinevans123-20241130204400","replies":[]}}-->

RIP Simon Andrew David Fox (12 July 1949 – 12 September 2024) drummer with progressive rock group Be-Bop Deluxe: [7] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241202203000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241202203000-RIP_Simon_Fox","replies":[]}}-->

The only image we, and Geograph, hold for Old Lea Hall Farmhouse hardly seems to do justice to its splendid brickwork (see the images in the HE listing which it won't let me link to). I don't know whether any editors might be wandering in the vicinity with a camera in hand, but if they were... KJP1 (talk) 10:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205102900","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-20241205102900-Old_Lea_Hall_Farmhouse","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241205103300-KJP1-20241205102900"]}}-->

Well, if they were.... they'd better watch out for 12-bore shotguns! But you never know... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205103300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241205103300-KJP1-20241205102900","replies":["c-KJP1-20241205105100-Martinevans123-20241205103300"]}}-->

Possibly… The land appears to have been sold for housing in 2022 so it might be sitting in the middle of a modern housing estate a la Church Farmhouse, Caldicot, depending on how quickly the developers got to work. But given the glacial speed of the UK’s planning process, it might still just be a muddy field. KJP1 (talk) 10:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205105100","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-20241205105100-Martinevans123-20241205103300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241205110500-KJP1-20241205105100"]}}-->

No houses yet, as far as I know. But I think it was used as a depot for the recent construction of the new A582 "Edith Rigby Way" (see Cottam Parkway railway station). The problem with the Old Lea Hall is that the less attractive back faces north onto the main road (see Google Streetview), while the more attractive front is on the private southside, as shown in the Letting brochure. The north side is also obscured by trees. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205110500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241205110500-KJP1-20241205105100","replies":["c-KJP1-20241205111400-Martinevans123-20241205110500"]}}-->

That’s a pity. The brick frontage looks very nice, the cement-rendered one rather less so. Don’t you have a suitably long lens? KJP1 (talk) 11:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205111400","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-KJP1-20241205111400-Martinevans123-20241205110500","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241205111700-KJP1-20241205111400"]}}-->

Unfortunately it was confiscated. But what's the copyright status of the recent photos at HE? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205111700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241205111700-KJP1-20241205111400","replies":["c-KJP1-20241205112300-Martinevans123-20241205111700"]}}-->

That’s an interesting question. I’d long thought the text of HE and Cadw listings was copyright, but it turns out that I was likely wrong on that and that it is all “public domain”. I could try uploading one to Commons and see what transpires…? KJP1 (talk) 11:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205112300","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-KJP1-20241205112300-Martinevans123-20241205111700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241205114600-KJP1-20241205112300"]}}-->

I am loath to offer any advice on copyright... lol. But I suspect Ashley might know? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205114600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241205114600-KJP1-20241205112300","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241205230600-Martinevans123-20241205114600"]}}-->

If there are copyrighted images that would improve the article, it would be better not to try to put them at Commons, where it would be very likely that they would get deleted. On the other hand, they could be uploaded locally (ie, at the English Wikipedia), according to WP:NFCC. Just follow what it says at NFCC meticulously, and it should be OK. (I wrote WP:AAFFD, so if you need any specific advice from me, just ask.) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205230600","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241205230600-Martinevans123-20241205114600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241206090800-Tryptofish-20241205230600"]}}-->

Alternatively, you could just "do a Kate" and photoshop in a few extra manorial windows. No one will ever notice! Shelby Reet 123 (talk) 09:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241206090800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241206090800-Tryptofish-20241205230600","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241206211500-Martinevans123-20241206090800"],"displayName":"Shelby Reet 123"}}-->

Just so long as there isn't too much cropping. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241206211500","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241206211500-Martinevans123-20241206090800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241206220600-Tryptofish-20241206211500"]}}-->

Jacob and family thank you for your very timely Tudor witticism! "Chortle, chortle, & Etc." [8] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241206220600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241206220600-Tryptofish-20241206211500","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241206222200-Martinevans123-20241206220600"]}}-->

[9]. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241206222200","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241206222200-Martinevans123-20241206220600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241206222800-Tryptofish-20241206222200"]}}-->

Don't look at me, Handsome Brian... I'm only plucking pheasants! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241206222800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241206222800-Tryptofish-20241206222200","replies":[]}}-->

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Today's story comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music – I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication – but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241206172200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241206172200-December_music","replies":[]}}-->

Today, listen to Sequenza XIV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207234000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241207234000-December_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241208095300-Gerda_Arendt-20241207234000","c-Martinevans123-20241208192800-Gerda_Arendt-20241207234000"]}}-->

What a very unusual piece of music. It makes Lol Coxhill's 1975 Fleas in Custard sound positively normal. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208095300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241208095300-Gerda_Arendt-20241207234000","replies":[]}}-->

Surprising how an old church can bring together Zelenskyy, Macron and Trump. One question remains.... did they refurbish "old hunchy"? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208192800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241208192800-Gerda_Arendt-20241207234000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241208194700-Martinevans123-20241208192800","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241208205900-Martinevans123-20241208192800","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241212110100-Martinevans123-20241208192800"]}}-->

I looked but can't answer that question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208194700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241208194700-Martinevans123-20241208192800","replies":[]}}-->

On the Main page today Jean Sibelius on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's Fifth from the opening of Notre-Dame de Paris. We sang in choirs today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208205900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241208205900-Martinevans123-20241208192800","replies":[]}}-->

Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212110100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241212110100-Martinevans123-20241208192800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241212111800-Gerda_Arendt-20241212110100"]}}-->

Thanks, Gerda. That reminds me... I must get those stairs fixed! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212111800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241212111800-Gerda_Arendt-20241212110100","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241216165200-Martinevans123-20241212111800"]}}-->

Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday – it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see stunning places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216165200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241216165200-Martinevans123-20241212111800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241218130400-Gerda_Arendt-20241216165200"]}}-->

Many thanks, Gerda. A great recording. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218130400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241218130400-Gerda_Arendt-20241216165200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241218194800-Martinevans123-20241218130400","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241220160200-Martinevans123-20241218130400"]}}-->

Thank you! Also for the music for Christmas! I don't mind no snow ;) – I came to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics – look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218194800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241218194800-Martinevans123-20241218130400","replies":[]}}-->

Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220160200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241220160200-Martinevans123-20241218130400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241220161700-Gerda_Arendt-20241220160200"]}}-->

Thanks, Gerda. To be fair, it does look like she may have been a bit of a röcker. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220161700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241220161700-Gerda_Arendt-20241220160200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241221213600-Martinevans123-20241220161700"]}}-->

Hauptfriedhof Mainz today, see November. (If you have the time, take the YouTube walk by a young man from from Jamaica, speaking English.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221213600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241221213600-Martinevans123-20241220161700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221220200-Gerda_Arendt-20241221213600"]}}-->

Well, I'd say speaking Jamaican, ha! You remember, I am a big fan of Pluto. But very nice video. Amazing flowers. Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221220200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221220200-Gerda_Arendt-20241221213600","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20241221224100-Martinevans123-20241221220200","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241223212100-Martinevans123-20241221220200","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225152400-Martinevans123-20241221220200","c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225182100-Martinevans123-20241221220200"]}}-->

I meant English vs. German. I looked at four or so that I rejected for various reasons. I hesitated a bit but then added the flowers I brought to the article (gallery). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221224100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241221224100-Martinevans123-20241221220200","replies":[]}}-->

Today it's a great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, – my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) – Enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223212100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241223212100-Martinevans123-20241221220200","replies":[]}}-->

My first Christmas story is about Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91, 300 years today, and its song, 500 years old. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241225152400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225152400-Martinevans123-20241221220200","replies":[]}}-->

If I heard Gabriel's message before, I forgot: lovely, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241225182100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241225182100-Martinevans123-20241221220200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241226154600-Gerda_Arendt-20241225182100"]}}-->

Of her, Immanuel, the Christ, was born

In Bethlehem, all on a Christmas morn,

And Christian folk throughout the world will ever say,

"Most highly favoured maiden." Gloria!

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Thank you! – Similar to the first, my second Christmas story is about Christum wir sollen loben schon, BWV 121, 300 years today, and its song, 500 years old. An aria is inspired by a baby leaping in his mother's womb. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241226222400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241226222400-Martinevans123-20241226154600","replies":[]}}-->

My third Christmas story is different. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241227190000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241227190000-Martinevans123-20241226154600","replies":[]}}-->

Apparently, "[[Chicago, Illinois]], United States" is a single territorial unit, similar to the "[[Buffalo, New York]], United States" example given in MOS:GEOLINK. Anyway, your edit is fine. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207125700","author":"Fylindfotberserk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fylindfotberserk-20241207125700-GEOLINK","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241207125900-Fylindfotberserk-20241207125700"]}}-->

I saw no advantage, as Chicago, Illinois just redirects to Chicago anyway. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207125900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241207125900-Fylindfotberserk-20241207125700","replies":["c-Fylindfotberserk-20241207131000-Martinevans123-20241207125900"]}}-->

Exactly. I wonder why this → "[[Buffalo, New York]], United States" was given as an example. My edit was actually a revert. Regards. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207131000","author":"Fylindfotberserk","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fylindfotberserk-20241207131000-Martinevans123-20241207125900","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for brightening my day with this. Nice that our paths are crossing after so many years. Risker (talk) 17:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208173500","author":"Risker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Risker-20241208173500-Thanks","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241208174800-Risker-20241208173500"]}}-->

Thanks, Risker! Lucky I'm still here really, haha. Great to see you around. 😄 Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208174800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241208174800-Risker-20241208173500","replies":[]}}-->

from 'a Norwegian IP'.--Oh, "Mister Evans, your reputation and humor precedes you."--I really enjoy many of your contributions to wikipeda. Thanks! Formerly 2001:2020:303:C4EB:910D:634D:B1EB:7217, now 2001:2020:303:C4EB:3DB9:821B:FA67:9074 46.15.6.9 (talk) 22:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209220100","author":"46.15.6.9","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-46.15.6.9-20241209220100-Seasons_greetings","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241209220900-46.15.6.9-20241209220100"]}}-->

Ah, thank you so much, Norwegian IP. I wasn't sure if you'd message me, but I was hoping you would! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209220900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241209220900-46.15.6.9-20241209220100","replies":["c-2001:2020:335:EB3A:B83F:158F:2A2A:7A8F-20241209231900-Martinevans123-20241209220900"]}}-->

I thought I would not be amazed, with whatever you linked to, this time for a change.--I really should have known better.--Never mind the rest of that tune.--In regard to the smell of birds, there are some rhymes that need to be wikified: "If it smells like fish, it's a dish; if it smells like cologne – leave-it-alone".--I heard that IgNoble research might be going on, about why that poem, (allegedly) gets recommended by 7 out of 10, Poet-laureates.--Top of the Australian solar-year, to you! 2001:2020:335:EB3A:B83F:158F:2A2A:7A8F (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209231900","author":"2001:2020:335:EB3A:B83F:158F:2A2A:7A8F","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2001:2020:335:EB3A:B83F:158F:2A2A:7A8F-20241209231900-Martinevans123-20241209220900","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241210000700-2001:2020:335:EB3A:B83F:158F:2A2A:7A8F-20241209231900"]}}-->

Yippee! I'm a dish! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210000700","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241210000700-2001:2020:335:EB3A:B83F:158F:2A2A:7A8F-20241209231900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241210082100-Tryptofish-20241210000700"]}}-->

I've always said it. Just like Dishi Sunak. **swoon**. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210082100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241210082100-Tryptofish-20241210000700","replies":[]}}-->

Looking at your last two edits on the Gregg Wallace article, these both paint Wallace in a poor light and are not reliably sourced. The Express is listed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources as "generally unreliable" and while OK! is not listed there, I suggest that as a celeb news magazine it's not a proper source for any Wikipedia article. Additionally, as Wallace is a living individual we need to take account of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons which states that "Contentious material about living persons ... that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". If you can find the report about Wallace's ex-wife's views in a reliable source then my understanding of the policy is that it can be added if reliably sourced. Greenshed (talk) 22:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209225900","author":"Greenshed","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Greenshed-20241209225900-Gregg_Wallace","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241210081400-Greenshed-20241209225900"]}}-->

The "last two edits" were adding the same two-word quote from his late ex-wife. My uncertainly was reflected in the question mark in my edit summary – if something is sourced to the Daily Mail is it still valid if republished by a WP:RS? So, is OK! magazine WP:RS or not? I've seen it used in many BLP articles. With your permission, I'd suggest this thread should be moved to Talk:Gregg Wallace. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210081400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241210081400-Greenshed-20241209225900","replies":["c-Greenshed-20241210193200-Martinevans123-20241210081400"]}}-->

By all means feel free to move this thread to Talk:Gregg Wallace. Greenshed (talk) 19:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210193200","author":"Greenshed","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Greenshed-20241210193200-Martinevans123-20241210081400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241210193600-Greenshed-20241210193200"]}}-->

Thanks. Now over copied to Talk:Gregg Wallace#"utter hell". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210193600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241210193600-Greenshed-20241210193200","replies":[]}}-->

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Wikipedia in 2024! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2025! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241215083500","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-20241215083500-Seasons_Greetings!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241215092200-Dr._Blofeld-20241215083500"]}}-->

Thank you so much, Blowers! And Seasons Greetings to you also! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241215092200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241215092200-Dr._Blofeld-20241215083500","replies":[]}}-->

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You haven't received this notice since 2021, so it is time for a reminder. Cullen328 (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220224800","author":"Cullen328","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cullen328-20241220224800-December_2024","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241220225000-Cullen328-20241220224800"]}}-->

What on earth are you on about?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220225000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241220225000-Cullen328-20241220224800","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241221002300-Martinevans123-20241220225000","c-Martinevans123-20241221174100-Martinevans123-20241220225000"]}}-->

@Cullen328: Maybe you should have used a section header other than "December 2024"? Reading the message, it looks to me like the template for CTOP "awareness", which is simply a standard notification to editors who work in certain designated topic areas, but not a warning about supposed bad behavior. I can readily understand why Martin would be left wondering what is going on here, so I hope that I have cleared that up. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221002300","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241221002300-Martinevans123-20241220225000","replies":["c-Cullen328-20241221012000-Tryptofish-20241221002300"]}}-->

Never mind all that. It basically means Martin, that you have been a very naughty boy, and even worse, you are Welsh. The ARBS could 'have you' at a moment's notice. Which equates to permanently being required to wear a het gymreig, even in the most barbarous of occasions: such as here:

Tryptofish, Martin is well aware that I am reminding him of BLP policy as a result of his recent contributions to Sophia Loren and its talk page. As for the notion that this has anything to do with the editor being Welsh, that is ludicrous. Cullen328 (talk) 01:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221012000","author":"Cullen328","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cullen328-20241221012000-Tryptofish-20241221002300","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221093200-Cullen328-20241221012000","c-Martinevans123-20241221090400-Cullen328-20241221012000"]}}-->

And a Very Merry Christmas to you too. Sophia sends her best. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221093200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221093200-Cullen328-20241221012000","replies":[]}}-->

Hands off my man tits, dude. (And watch out for those specially-sharpened leeks). Martinevans123 (talk) 09:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221090400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221090400-Cullen328-20241221012000","replies":[]}}-->

So, are we all done here now? Anyone need any more Italian pearls clutching? (in a perfectly respectful way) Whatever you do, don't tell the Arbs. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221174100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221174100-Martinevans123-20241220225000","replies":["c-Askedonty-20241221190000-Martinevans123-20241221174100"]}}-->

->[10] --Askedonty (talk) 19:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221190000","author":"Askedonty","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Askedonty-20241221190000-Martinevans123-20241221174100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221190400-Askedonty-20241221190000"]}}-->

Personally, I'd never ask a donkey, but many thanks for that! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221190400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221190400-Askedonty-20241221190000","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241221202000-Martinevans123-20241221190400"]}}-->

Oh, so that's what this is about. Sorry, Cullen, I didn't know about that. Martin, you're a boob. This all seems like a tempest in some kind of cup. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221202000","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241221202000-Martinevans123-20241221190400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221203800-Tryptofish-20241221202000"]}}-->

Well thanks for nuffink, Mr Saul Goodman. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221203800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221203800-Tryptofish-20241221202000","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20241221204300-Martinevans123-20241221203800"]}}-->

I looked online for a suitable reply, and found this. Be forewarned. [11] --Tryptofish (talk) 20:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221204300","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20241221204300-Martinevans123-20241221203800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221204900-Tryptofish-20241221204300"]}}-->

Ah, thank heavens. For a moment I thought you said a subtle reply. I honestly think Sophia really doesn't suit red, does she. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221204900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221204900-Tryptofish-20241221204300","replies":[]}}-->

		Best to you
		It's always fun swapping music vids and chatting; you might know but you have greatly broadened my horizons over the years. Ceoil (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221030800","author":"Ceoil","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ceoil-20241221030800-X_mass","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221085600-Ceoil-20241221030800"]}}-->

Cheers, Ceoil. It's very nice of you to say that. Wishing you all the best. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC) p.s. and talking of horizons, here's the wonderful Sidney (1944)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221085600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221085600-Ceoil-20241221030800","replies":["c-Ceoil-20250125000800-Martinevans123-20241221085600"]}}-->

Wow, its beautiful and hopefully nostalgic. Reminds me of the original Coronation Street intro,[12], always loved that drum pattern and how the wind instruments wind in with the lazy beat. Ceoil (talk) 00:08, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125000800","author":"Ceoil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ceoil-20250125000800-Martinevans123-20241221085600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125172400-Ceoil-20250125000800"]}}-->

Yes, quite similar isn't it! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:24, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125172400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125172400-Ceoil-20250125000800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125201300-Martinevans123-20250125172400"]}}-->

Do you know this. My favourite McTell track. (Mike Piggott on fiddle) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125201300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125201300-Martinevans123-20250125172400","replies":[]}}-->

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
	Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 08:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221082600","author":"SchroCat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SchroCat-20241221082600-Merry_Christmas!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221085400-SchroCat-20241221082600"]}}-->

Many thanks SchroCat. Wishing you joy and happiness also! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221085400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221085400-SchroCat-20241221082600","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Martinevans123: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221124000","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20241221124000-Nadolig_Llawen_Martinevans123","replies":[],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

Thank you, Iggy. O! what's occurrin'?? It's Christmas. Tidy! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221173400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221173400-Nadolig_Llawen_Martinevans123","replies":[]}}-->

Happy Christmas

Happy Christmas, Martin. All the best for 2025.Kieronoldham (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221204000","author":"Kieronoldham","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kieronoldham-20241221204000-Same_to_you","replies":[]}}-->

All the best, Martin. Doesn't time fly when you're enjoying yourself! :) Kieronoldham (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221204000","author":"Kieronoldham","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kieronoldham-20241221204000-Same_to_you-1","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241221205300-Kieronoldham-20241221204000"]}}-->

Cheers, Kieron. Hope all well with you over there. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221205300","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241221205300-Kieronoldham-20241221204000","replies":[]}}-->

Who knew that had a link?! Now I just need an RS recording my brother's birth within it. That, and his very Welsh wife, are the basis of his claims to hundreds of years of Welsh ancestry. All a bit Bradney-bogus, in my opinion. KJP1 (talk) 18:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222182000","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-20241222182000-St_Joseph's_Hospital,_Newport","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241222182400-KJP1-20241222182000"]}}-->

p.s. Happy Christmas!

I have less happy memories, having known St Anne's Hospice, which is located on the same site. But a wonderful place with very caring staff. As you may remember I was born at the Lydia Beynon Maternity Hospital, which is now the very understated Terry Mathews Towers! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222182400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241222182400-KJP1-20241222182000","replies":[]}}-->

p.s. "Feliz Navidad"!

@Martinevans123 Wishing you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Apologies for the early greeting and looking forward to potential collaborations in 2025. MSincccc (talk) 18:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224183400","author":"MSincccc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MSincccc-20241224183400-Season's_greetings","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241224184200-MSincccc-20241224183400"]}}-->

Thank you so much. Yes, all of mine have been a bit early too. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224184200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241224184200-MSincccc-20241224183400","replies":[]}}-->

How are you? @Martinevans123 i would ask you if you can help me to create page abou this topic Qatarijournalist (talk) 11:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228111700","author":"Qatarijournalist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qatarijournalist-20241228111700-Hi","replies":["c-Qatarijournalist-20241228111700-Qatarijournalist-20241228111700"]}}-->

here Qatarijournalist (talk) 11:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228111700","author":"Qatarijournalist","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Qatarijournalist-20241228111700-Qatarijournalist-20241228111700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241228120800-Qatarijournalist-20241228111700"]}}-->

Hello @Qatarijournalist, how are you? Are you intending to create a Wikipedia article about yourself? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228120800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241228120800-Qatarijournalist-20241228111700","replies":["c-Ohnoitsjamie-20241228161400-Martinevans123-20241228120800"]}}-->

This is a blocked LTA. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228161400","author":"Ohnoitsjamie","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ohnoitsjamie-20241228161400-Martinevans123-20241228120800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241228163500-Ohnoitsjamie-20241228161400"]}}-->

Thanks for telling me. A little too enthusiastic start to editing it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228163500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241228163500-Ohnoitsjamie-20241228161400","replies":[]}}-->

I know many other people don’t think this sort of thing is important, but it really is. Thank you. Springnuts (talk) 14:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229141800","author":"Springnuts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Springnuts-20241229141800-Superfluous_commas","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20241229143000-Springnuts-20241229141800"]}}-->

Unless, you're from, the, United States, of America, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229143000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20241229143000-Springnuts-20241229141800","replies":["c-Sca-20250101162300-Martinevans123-20241229143000"]}}-->

I resent that commant. – Sca (talk) 16:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101162300","author":"Sca","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sca-20250101162300-Martinevans123-20241229143000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250101162800-Sca-20250101162300"]}}-->

Oh dear. Time to get down with Weird Al, I think... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101162800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250101162800-Sca-20250101162300","replies":["c-Sca-20250101163800-Martinevans123-20250101162800"]}}-->

Must we drag him into this erudite debate? – Sca (talk) 16:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101163800","author":"Sca","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sca-20250101163800-Martinevans123-20250101162800","replies":[]}}-->

story · music · places

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). – I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, – see here. – Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250101174300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174300-January_music","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250104205600-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174300"]}}-->

Thank you, Gerda. Caught this amazing ensemble on the radio this morning. They are 40 years old this year! Now this is definitely on my 2025 shopping list. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250104205600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250104205600-Gerda_Arendt-20250101174300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250104233400-Martinevans123-20250104205600"]}}-->

Did you see that I took their lead image ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250104233400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250104233400-Martinevans123-20250104205600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250105092400-Gerda_Arendt-20250104233400"]}}-->

I had not. Well done, a great image! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250105092400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250105092400-Gerda_Arendt-20250104233400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212700-Martinevans123-20250105092400","c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108110800-Martinevans123-20250105092400"]}}-->

Thank you! – Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106212700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250106212700-Martinevans123-20250105092400","replies":[]}}-->

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108110800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250108110800-Martinevans123-20250105092400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250108181200-Gerda_Arendt-20250108110800"]}}-->

Yes, thanks. Eat your heart out Sergei. Some Dudu and Spear for you (... later covered by the wonderful Robert Wyatt!) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108181200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250108181200-Gerda_Arendt-20250108110800","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250113220300-Martinevans123-20250108181200","c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114185800-Martinevans123-20250108181200","c-Gerda_Arendt-20250117184500-Martinevans123-20250108181200"]}}-->

Today a violinist from Turkey, Ayla Erduran, whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250113220300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250113220300-Martinevans123-20250108181200","replies":[]}}-->

... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114185800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250114185800-Martinevans123-20250108181200","replies":[]}}-->

Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250117184500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250117184500-Martinevans123-20250108181200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250117210900-Gerda_Arendt-20250117184500"]}}-->

You can't go wrong with Verdi, can you. Especially the lush Rigoletto. Here's a wonderful soul/R&B track from 1991 with utterly superb production, that my local supermarket sound system kindly reminded me of this evening. That guitar solo is quite wonderful (worthy of a mid-career Steely Dan album, I think). The brass section is just superb, what do you think DBAK? [13] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250117210900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250117210900-Gerda_Arendt-20250117184500","replies":["c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20250118091200-Martinevans123-20250117210900"]}}-->

Yes, absolutely terrific. Mega-tight whilst feeling relaxed and laid-back – true precision! Beautiful playing! DBaK (talk) 09:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250118091200","author":"DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20250118091200-Martinevans123-20250117210900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250118103000-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20250118091200"],"displayName":"DBaK"}}-->

A wonderful album, produced by Tommy LiPuma (whose productions "received 33 Grammy nominations and sold over 75 million albums"). A great line-up of musicians. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250118103000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250118103000-DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered-20250118091200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250120202100-Martinevans123-20250118103000"]}}-->

Thank you! - Today I have a composer (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with another who became GA yesterday, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250120202100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250120202100-Martinevans123-20250118103000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250120202800-Gerda_Arendt-20250120202100"]}}-->

Many thanks, Gerda. So nice (... another trumpeter... on ECM's 2009 Dark Eyes). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250120202800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250120202800-Gerda_Arendt-20250120202100","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250122220300-Martinevans123-20250120202800"]}}-->

Today Claire van Kampen - more sackbut - and a hidden cat ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250122220300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250122220300-Martinevans123-20250120202800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250123083900-Gerda_Arendt-20250122220300"]}}-->

Many thanks, Gerda. I had not heard about Claire van Kampen. That is a real tragedy for Mark Rylance. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250123083900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250123083900-Gerda_Arendt-20250122220300","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250126223200-Martinevans123-20250123083900"]}}-->

Yes, and her daughter who took his name. - Today, a Bach cantata with a funny number turned 300, and I managed a GAN ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126223200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250126223200-Martinevans123-20250123083900","replies":[]}}-->

Your recent editing history at Bonnie and Clyde shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. TigerShark (talk) 15:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102154900","author":"TigerShark","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TigerShark-20250102154900-Edit_warring","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250102155200-TigerShark-20250102154900","c-88.156.215.119-20250102155400-TigerShark-20250102154900","c-Risker-20250102165700-TigerShark-20250102154900","c-Martinevans123-20250102170600-TigerShark-20250102154900"]}}-->

The repeated edits of the IP concerned were vandalism, in direct contravention of the stated advice given in the article? Are we just meant to turn a blind eye? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102155200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102155200-TigerShark-20250102154900","replies":["c-TigerShark-20250102160600-Martinevans123-20250102155200"]}}-->

Hi Martin. As an uninvolved editor it is not immediately clear to me why the edits should be considered vandalism. My limited understanding is that the issue is whether the song is a musical reference in popular culture, but that the title references the article subject but the lyrics don't. I think a better way is to discuss the issue, perhaps bringing in other editors, rather than risking an edit war escalating. TigerShark (talk) 16:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102160600","author":"TigerShark","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TigerShark-20250102160600-Martinevans123-20250102155200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250102161000-TigerShark-20250102160600"]}}-->

I'll just give up patiently warning and reporting what I see as vandalism, so I can avoid boilerplate warnings like this one. If you think that hidden note advice is wrong, you might want to raise it at Talk:Bonnie and Clyde. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102161000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102161000-TigerShark-20250102160600","replies":[]}}-->

Martin Evans, the Wikipedia page is for Bonnie and Clyde. I am listing a song titled '97 Bonnie and Clyde' under a paragraph on the Bonnie and Clyde Wikipedia page that is titled 'In Pop Culture', specifically music. If that is considered vandalism, for stating a fact, because it literally references the two human beings, not just in the song title, but mentioned by voice in the song, you sir are completely out of touch with reality. 88.156.215.119 (talk) 15:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102155400","author":"88.156.215.119","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-88.156.215.119-20250102155400-TigerShark-20250102154900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250102160200-88.156.215.119-20250102155400"]}}-->

Here's the hidden note, giving editing advice, in the "Music" section (emphasis added):

"DO NOT ADD TO THIS SECTION unless the reference is solely and specifically about them, such as a song entitled "Bonnie and Clyde" that is ABOUT THIS COUPLE. Don't add passing references to the pair in songs, items that are "based on", "like", or "mentions in a line of an otherwise unrelated song" aren't appropriate for this page. Any additions not meeting this guideline will be removed. DO NOT ADD THE EMINEM SONG "97 BONNIE AND CLYDE", IT IS NOT ABOUT THIS PAIR, AND WILL BE REMOVED. THE JAY-Z SONG "'03 BONNIE AND CLYDE" is NOT ABOUT THIS PAIR, DO NOT ADD IT, IT WILL BE REMOVED. THE 2PAC SONG "ME AND MY GIRLFRIEND" IS NOT ABOUT THIS PAIR, DO NOT ADD IT, IT WILL BE REMOVED. THE LONELY ISLAND SONG "RONNIE AND CLYDE" IS NOT ABOUT THEM; IT IS A PARODY; DON'T ADD IT. DEAN'S 2016 KOREAN SONG IS ABOUT A MODERN COUPLE, NOT BARROW AND PARKER. DO NOT POST IT.THE TAYLOR SWIFT SONG "GETWAWAY CAR" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BARROW AND PARKER AND CANNOT BE ADDED. Thank you."

I do not know if that is meant to reflect "reality". I did not write that advice. I was just following it. And thanks so much for your earlier delightful comment to me here.

Martinevans123 (talk) 16:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102160200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102160200-88.156.215.119-20250102155400","replies":["c-TigerShark-20250102160800-Martinevans123-20250102160200","c-88.156.215.119-20250102161500-Martinevans123-20250102160200"]}}-->

A discussion on the article talk page, may be the best way forward. What we need to avoid is two editors just reverting back and forth. TigerShark (talk) 16:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102160800","author":"TigerShark","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TigerShark-20250102160800-Martinevans123-20250102160200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250102161200-TigerShark-20250102160800"]}}-->

Perhaps somebody else might like a go, and I'll just take it off my watchlist. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102161200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102161200-TigerShark-20250102160800","replies":[]}}-->

Honestly the fact that this has been brought up to the attention of a supposed Wikipedia admin is pretty wild. We are literally talking about the fact that you are considering it vandalism that I'm adding 97 Bonnie and Clyde under the pop culture paragraph for music, on a page about Bonnie and Clyde. I feel like you're just gatekeeping or trying to use your experience on Wikipedia to shut my mouth. I don't know how to do article talks or discussion groups, but you Martin as a long time Wikipedia user should know better instead of trying to shut me out. This is counterproductive and frankly it makes the site seem unwelcoming. Just because I'm new to editing and don't have an account doesn't mean I don't have a right to correct something. 88.156.215.119 (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102161500","author":"88.156.215.119","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-88.156.215.119-20250102161500-Martinevans123-20250102160200","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250102161800-88.156.215.119-20250102161500"]}}-->

The appropriate venue for discussion of this topic is Talk:Bonnie and Clyde. The status of your account is irrelevant. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102161800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102161800-88.156.215.119-20250102161500","replies":[]}}-->

• The better solution would be to semi-protect the article, as the majority of such additions comes from IP addresses. Risker (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102165700","author":"Risker","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Risker-20250102165700-TigerShark-20250102154900","replies":[]}}-->

I expect IP 88 will be pleased that you've protected the article with the disputed addition still in place. Seems my last revert was 3 hrs 12 mins too premature. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102170600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102170600-TigerShark-20250102154900","replies":["c-Floquenbeam-20250102173400-Martinevans123-20250102170600"]}}-->

I've removed the disputed addition. Martin, remember that there are A LOT of errors in A LOT of articles; having one inappropriate addition in an "in popular culture" section for a few hours is not really a crisis. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102173400","author":"Floquenbeam","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Floquenbeam-20250102173400-Martinevans123-20250102170600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250102180100-Floquenbeam-20250102173400"]}}-->

Many thanks. I'm sure it's not a crisis. Even if it's for a few days, or weeks. There are other regular editors there who seem to agree that song doesn't belong there. There a A LOT of IP editors who add stuff they shouldn't to A LOT of articles. That particular slow edit war has been going on for some time, with IP edits and summaries like this one. Maybe I'll just let other editors warn and report. It's a lot less hassle. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102180100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102180100-Floquenbeam-20250102173400","replies":["c-Sensei48-20250102215400-Martinevans123-20250102180100"]}}-->

If I may interpolate, having a long term interest in this article – reference to the Wiki guideline for "trivial mentions" might be of value – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Trivial_mentions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensei48 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102215400","author":"Sensei48","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sensei48-20250102215400-Martinevans123-20250102180100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250102221400-Sensei48-20250102215400"]}}-->

Many thanks for your interest and supporting observation. But it seems efforts to combat vandalism are fair game for serial unchecked insults from anonymous IP editors and boiler-plate warnings for "edit warring". So good luck in engaging at the Talk page. I do not feel encouraged to take any further part in that debate. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102221400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250102221400-Sensei48-20250102215400","replies":[]}}-->

RIP Mr Yarrow. One of the more bizarre things that Jimmy Carter (also RIP) did was to give a Presidential pardon to Yarrow before leaving office in 1981. Nowadays this might set off a huge controversy. Can you imagine what Elon Musk would have said on X if Keir Starmer had done this? We would never have heard the last of it, surely. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108114500","author":"Ianmacm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ianmacm-20250108114500-Peter_Yarrow","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250108115400-Ianmacm-20250108114500"],"displayName":"\u2666IanMacM\u2666"}}-->

Yes, if only Rolf had still been around to be pardoned for his crimes (?!) But as we now know, Starmer is just a Tyrant-o-Saurus Rex, probably still stuck in the 70s. Who needs fact-checkers when you've got cosy community notes from Elon! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC) p.s. I wonder how many folks in the USA will now wish they were Leaving on a Jet Plane...[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108115400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250108115400-Ianmacm-20250108114500","replies":["c-Tryptofish-20250108231400-Martinevans123-20250108115400"]}}-->

Me! Me! (I'll even ride in the baggage compartment!) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108231400","author":"Tryptofish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tryptofish-20250108231400-Martinevans123-20250108115400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250109101200-Tryptofish-20250108231400","c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20250108235800-Tryptofish-20250108231400"]}}-->

Remember to take a packed lunch. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109101200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250109101200-Tryptofish-20250108231400","replies":[]}}-->

Of course, there was a time when Greenland looked like a decent residential alternative for Yanks in an emergency. Perhaps the almost equally sub-zero Faroe Islands would suffice. Maybe the orange headed one has his eyes on all of the Kingdom of Denmark – even Lurpak could become a big seller in Walmart. "All my bags are packed, I'm ready to go" – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108235800","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20250108235800-Tryptofish-20250108231400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250109105400-Derek_R_Bullamore-20250108235800"]}}-->

"Puff, the Orange Dragon, lived by the sea..." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109105400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250109105400-Derek_R_Bullamore-20250108235800","replies":[]}}-->

The paragraph section on the “popular culture” section on the Pan Am Flight 103 page, “Colin Firth told the New York Times that in the decades following the initial, widespread shock, "fewer and fewer people cared, or even knew about, the disaster".^[1]”, feels like it properly resides on the Sky Atlantic drama ”Lockerbie: A Search for Truth” page, in the production section, which mentions Firth’s casting. 92.40.218.225 (talk) 10:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110101000","author":"92.40.218.225","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-92.40.218.225-20250110101000-Suggestion_for_Colin_Firth_quote","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250110105000-92.40.218.225-20250110101000"]}}-->

Perhaps it does. But a better place to ask would probably be at Talk:Pan Am Flight 103. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110105000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250110105000-92.40.218.225-20250110101000","replies":[]}}-->

• "It is better to be on the train pissing out the window than running along the platform trying to piss in." – Harry Enfield.
• "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is being talked about at Wikipedia's WP:AN/I." – Oscar Wilde (attrib.)
• "Well at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral now." – Elizabeth II.
• "Clowns have been involved in funerals for a long time, and some families choose to include them in their services for a variety of reasons:" – Google AI Overview.
• "I call again for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. The return of the sausages..." - Keir Starmer

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@Martinevans123 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Princess Charlotte of Wales (born 2015). Regards. MSincccc (talk) 04:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250116041000","author":"MSincccc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MSincccc-20250116041000-Invitation_to_discussion","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250116081900-MSincccc-20250116041000"]}}-->

Thanks, have commented. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:19, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250116081900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250116081900-MSincccc-20250116041000","replies":["c-MSincccc-20250122095300-Martinevans123-20250116081900"]}}-->

@Martinevans123 You are invited to join the discussion on the "Personal interests" section at Talk: William, Prince of Wales. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 09:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250122095300","author":"MSincccc","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MSincccc-20250122095300-Martinevans123-20250116081900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250122103900-MSincccc-20250122095300"]}}-->

Thanks, have commented. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:39, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250122103900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250122103900-MSincccc-20250122095300","replies":[]}}-->

I guess my question would've been whether Engels's father was sufficiently notable by enwiki standards—we shouldn't use an ILL if not. Remsense ‥ 论 21:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250120211700","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Remsense-20250120211700-New_message_to_Martinevans123","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250120212100-Remsense-20250120211700","c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125194600-Remsense-20250120211700"]}}-->

Maybe best to explain/ discuss at Talk:Friedrich Engels. Is that the agreed policy on use of ILL? Seems quite a high bar. I guess there are many de.wiki articles that will never be en.wiki articles, but which a reader might still find useful. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250120212100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250120212100-Remsense-20250120211700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250121114600-Martinevans123-20250120212100","c-Martinevans123-20250121153100-Martinevans123-20250120212100"]}}-->

p.s. I don't see that advice at Template:Interlanguage link. Is it perhaps stated elsewhere? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250121114600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250121114600-Martinevans123-20250120212100","replies":[]}}-->

@Remsense, any further thoughts? With your kind permission, I could copy this to Talk:Friedrich Engels. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250121153100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250121153100-Martinevans123-20250120212100","replies":["c-Remsense-20250121163700-Martinevans123-20250121153100"]}}-->

Of course. If you disagree, you're free to put it back as well. Remsense ‥ 论 16:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250121163700","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Remsense-20250121163700-Martinevans123-20250121153100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250121164400-Remsense-20250121163700"]}}-->

Current special offers:*

• Put it back.
• Open a discussion at Talk:Friedrich Engels.
• Put it back and open a discussion as Talk:Friedrich Engels.

*(Hurry while stocks last)

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Late to this: if there is an article in a different language, we should use {{ill}}, period. Regardless of what we think about notability in any specific case. Some user knowing some language may profit from it, and perhaps even translate ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125194600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125194600-Remsense-20250120211700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125194900-Gerda_Arendt-20250125194600"]}}-->

I've already chosen option 1. Remsense has not reappeared. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125194900","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125194900-Gerda_Arendt-20250125194600","replies":["c-Remsense-20250125195400-Martinevans123-20250125194900"]}}-->

I am sorry that you were waiting on me! Remsense ‥ 论 19:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125195400","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Remsense-20250125195400-Martinevans123-20250125194900","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125195600-Remsense-20250125195400"]}}-->

No worries. I'm happy to take Gerda's advice on this. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125195600","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125195600-Remsense-20250125195400","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125214000-Martinevans123-20250125195600"]}}-->

Thank you ;) - You have no idea how close I was to "canvass" support for today's story, but - relief - appeared now, a few hours before the deadline. Delicious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125214000","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125214000-Martinevans123-20250125195600","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125215400-Gerda_Arendt-20250125214000"]}}-->

Thanks for that, a change for you. Ah yes, canvas.... here's Robert Glasper: [14] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125215400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125215400-Gerda_Arendt-20250125214000","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125220300-Martinevans123-20250125215400"]}}-->

Like that canvas! - I hope you had time for the pumpkin soup yt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125220300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125220300-Martinevans123-20250125215400","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Dharshini David: you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. jolielover♥talk 14:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250122145500","author":"Jolielover","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jolielover-20250122145500-January_2025","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250122145800-Jolielover-20250122145500","c-Martinevans123-20250124131800-Jolielover-20250122145500"],"displayName":"jolielover\u2665"}}-->

Be my guest. I have opened a thread at Talk:Dharshini David. Perhaps you would restore the infobox? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250122145800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250122145800-Jolielover-20250122145500","replies":[]}}-->

The infobox and lead mage have now been restored, in case you are not watching that article. The anon IP concerned has made no further representations at the article talk page, or at their own Talk page, in case you are not watching that either. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124131800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250124131800-Jolielover-20250122145500","replies":[]}}-->

Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contribution(s). However, as a general rule, while user talk pages permit a small degree of generalisation, other talk pages such as Talk:Ferdinand Magellan are strictly for discussing improvements to their associated main pages, and many of them have special instructions on the top. They are not a general discussion forum about the article's topic or any other topic. If you have questions or ideas and are not sure where to post them, consider asking at the Teahouse. Thanks. Donald Albury 16:14, 26 January 2025 (UTC) - Strike mistaken warning. - Donald Albury 16:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126161400","author":"Donald Albury","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Donald_Albury-20250126161400-January_2025","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250126161700-Donald_Albury-20250126161400"]}}-->

Hi Donald. What on earth are you on about? Thanks Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126161700","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250126161700-Donald_Albury-20250126161400","replies":["c-Donald_Albury-20250126164800-Martinevans123-20250126161700"]}}-->

Oh dear, I was responding to Talk:Ferdinand Magellan#How did he discoverer that the earth was round, which was definitely not you. I don't know how that ended up on your talk page. My apologies. Donald Albury 16:48, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126164800","author":"Donald Albury","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Donald_Albury-20250126164800-Martinevans123-20250126161700","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250126165400-Donald_Albury-20250126164800"]}}-->

No worries. @Donald Albury, you might want to delete the WP:FORUM material at that Talk page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126165400","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250126165400-Donald_Albury-20250126164800","replies":[]}}-->

RIP Gabriel Yacoub (1952-2025) leader of Malicorne: Le mariage anglais Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250122174100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250122174100-Gabriel_Yacoub","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125220700-Martinevans123-20250122174100"]}}-->

Let's get him to the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125220700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125220700-Martinevans123-20250122174100","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125220800-Gerda_Arendt-20250125220700"]}}-->

Haha, ambitious. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125220800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125220800-Gerda_Arendt-20250125220700","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125222200-Martinevans123-20250125220800"]}}-->

Yes, you do the work, and I nominate ;) - Seriously, I'm tired today (interesting hike!), should get tomorrow's cantata BWV 111 to a GA nom (which will happen tomorrow if it all). - I looked at the guitarist. Strange bio, with the parents at the very end. Miserable ref formatting. Personal web seems to be used as ref. Some things have no ref at all. Back to #1: I can seriously look at him on Monday, but that is still not too late. Birthday of Mozart and our conductor (who doesn't like Mozart much, - I think I mentioned that. But the Requiem.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125222200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125222200-Martinevans123-20250125220800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125222500-Gerda_Arendt-20250125222200"]}}-->

Well maybe, haha. We'll see. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125222500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125222500-Gerda_Arendt-20250125222200","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125223500-Martinevans123-20250125222500"]}}-->

Note to self for Monday: look at French, for references and list of albums (but use only sourced albums), look at albums with an article in English to better copy to his than send to group's longish article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125223500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20250125223500-Martinevans123-20250125222500","replies":[]}}-->

@Martinevans123: Why do you do, go for the lower quality choice on crap sources? Is there a reason for it? scope_creep^Talk 12:19, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124121900","author":"Scope creep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Scope_creep-20250124121900-Keith_Chegwin","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250124122200-Scope_creep-20250124121900","c-Martinevans123-20250124131200-Scope_creep-20250124121900"],"displayName":"scope_creep"}}-->

I have opened a thread for discussion at Talk:Keith Chegwin. I have seen Twitter and "X" used as a valid source on very many article, so it's not just me choosing "the lower quality choice on crap sources". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124122200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250124122200-Scope_creep-20250124121900","replies":[]}}-->

Do you actually want to discuss the issue, or just post accusatory questions here? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250124131200","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250124131200-Scope_creep-20250124121900","replies":[]}}-->

In answer to your question attached to your edit of the Jane Grey page, the reason Parr's forename is spelled with a K is likely related to the fact that Parr herself spelled her own first name Kateryn. She did so consistently throughout her life. But clearly Parr did not know her own name, so history has corrected her error. DesertSkies120 (talk) 02:45, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125024500","author":"DesertSkies120","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DesertSkies120-20250125024500-Katheryn_Parr","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125092800-DesertSkies120-20250125024500"]}}-->

Ah I see. Catherine Parr was illiterate, so we ought to misspell along with her, 480 years later? I found those spellings particularly confusing at Lady Jane Grey since:

1. There was a mixture Katherine and Catherine;
2. There's also mention of her younger sister Lady Katherine;
3. There is no mention of "Katherine" at Catherine Parr.

It might be an idea to copy this to the Talk page over there? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:28, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125092800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125092800-DesertSkies120-20250125024500","replies":["c-DesertSkies120-20250126015400-Martinevans123-20250125092800"]}}-->

Please cite your source that Parr was "illiterate." Or try reading the Wiki article on Parr, especially the section relative to her education. With all due respect, your statement that Kateryn Parr was "illiterate" is a perfect example of why non-specialists with only limited and often erroneous knowledge on a subject should not be allowed to edit articles on Wikipedia.

Parr was fully literate in English. How do I know this? Because we have surviving letters that she wrote in her own hand! She wrote and published three books! She was the leader of a coterie of educated women that translated religious works from Latin and Greek into English (that group included Jane Grey, Katherine Willoughby Brandon, and numerous others).

The issue of the spelling of Parr's forename was fought on Wikipedia long ago. I suspect that debate is now archived. The amateurs prevailed in that instance.

This is why I do not myself edit Wikipedia articles: Too many editors think they have the knowledge required to consider themselves an authority on a given topic, when in fact they do not. What is my own basis for authority? A PhD in Tudor History, a long list of peer-reviewed publications by academic publishers, recognition by the Society of Antiquaries as an expert on Tudor History and Jane Grey, etc.

And just for fun, I will tell you that my middle name is spelled Stephan but is pronounced Steven. I guess that makes me illiterate. And I guess amateur Wiki editors are within their rights to respell my name as they see fit, since I cannot possibly know how to spell it correctly. I have a friend whose first name is Johnathan. Should he be required to change the spelling of his name simply because Jonathan is the more common spelling? Do individuals no longer have the right of individual self-determination?

Spelling any person's name differently from how that person spells/spelled their own name themselves is incredibly disrespectful. DesertSkies120 (talk) 01:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126015400","author":"DesertSkies120","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-DesertSkies120-20250126015400-Martinevans123-20250125092800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250126085500-DesertSkies120-20250126015400"]}}-->

It was a question, not a statement. And a rhetorical one at that. Do you want to copy all this over or shall I? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC) p.s. many congratulations on your PhD, Steve. A shame you no longer edit Wikipedia. I bet you don't even watch Wikipedia articles like Katy Parr, any more, in case you get enraged by the meddling of amateur busybodies like me.[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126085500","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250126085500-DesertSkies120-20250126015400","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250126095800-Martinevans123-20250126085500"]}}-->

(p.p.s. could you possibly get me a signed photo of Lucy Worsley?) Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126095800","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250126095800-Martinevans123-20250126085500","replies":["c-DesertSkies120-20250127011400-Martinevans123-20250126095800"]}}-->

I am not going to copy anything, Evie. And I cannot help you re: Lucy Worsley. DesertSkies120 (talk) 01:14, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250127011400","author":"DesertSkies120","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-DesertSkies120-20250127011400-Martinevans123-20250126095800","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250127081000-DesertSkies120-20250127011400"]}}-->

Cheers Dezzie, bro. Chill thy Tudor beans. I'll have you know I've got a disposable coffee cup used by Professor Alice Roberts! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:10, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250127081000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250127081000-DesertSkies120-20250127011400","replies":[]}}-->

Ahahaha.... and the final dance routine is very slick. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:20, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125182000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125182000-\"Don't_be_stupid,_be_a_smarty....\"","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250125192000-Martinevans123-20250125182000"]}}-->

But let's not forget Pete. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:20, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250125192000","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250125192000-Martinevans123-20250125182000","replies":["c-Martinevans123-20250126210100-Martinevans123-20250125192000"]}}-->

"It's literally a demolition site, almost everything is demolished and people are dying there.... You're talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing". He added that the move "could be temporary" or "could be long-term": [15]. Wow, six days in and no-one's been fired yet?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250126210100","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-20250126210100-Martinevans123-20250125192000","replies":[]}}-->