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English-language sources are preferable.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T01:48:00.000Z","author":"TheTimesAreAChanging","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-04-26T01:48:00.000Z-Re_your_question_to_Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T02:07:00.000Z-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-04-26T01:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks. That's what I thought. Should I change his cites to the ones I had cited previously? Or discuss it with him first? Txantimedia (talk) 02:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T02:07:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T02:07:00.000Z-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-04-26T01:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-04-26T04:42:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T02:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

You should just change it back to Vennema, although the Vietnamese sources could still be kept as a back-up.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:42, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T04:42:00.000Z","author":"TheTimesAreAChanging","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-04-26T04:42:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T02:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T04:45:00.000Z-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-04-26T04:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, I would if MIG would stop reverting them every time I post them. Jezzus this is getting old. I am so sick and tired of this guy reverting my edits that I have reported him. Thanks for fixing his last revert. Txantimedia (talk) 04:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T04:45:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T04:45:00.000Z-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-04-26T04:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-26T12:05:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T04:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey Txantimedia, yes English sources are preferable, but i just wanted to let you know the option for non-English refs are available at your disposal. Concerning the MiG29VC, i'll join you. You've just gotten a taste of this damn guy that we had to put up with for the past month...I don't feel secure to post my email address on a publicly-accessible site as this, unfortunately because there were concerning incidents in the past...Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 12:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T12:05:00.000Z","author":"Nguy\u1ec5n Qu\u1ed1c Vi\u1ec7t","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-26T12:05:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T04:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I saw "500 bodies.." in Venemma' book, i will not remove it. But "27 graves, 2,397 bodies" still need "Verify credibility". Please show me: why you can count this figures? Show me how do you counted (A grave with ... bodies + B grave with... bodies, etc). If you scan the book (or use digital camera and upload), it's the best way MiG29VN (talk) 16:13, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T16:13:00.000Z","author":"MiG29VN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MiG29VN-2014-04-26T16:13:00.000Z-Re_your_question_to_Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T17:23:00.000Z-MiG29VN-2014-04-26T16:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I con't have to show you shit. Get the damn book yourself and count them. And stop calling me a liar. Txantimedia (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T17:23:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T17:23:00.000Z-MiG29VN-2014-04-26T16:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-26T23:09:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T17:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

MiG29VC is the only liar around here. He fabricated references altogether! He says "anything that's xxx.edu are reliable sources" - demonstrates poor understanding of what reliable sources are, and yes XXX.edu is very reliable :) He's in absolutely no position to say anything about anything. Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 23:09, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T23:09:00.000Z","author":"Nguy\u1ec5n Qu\u1ed1c Vi\u1ec7t","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-26T23:09:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-04-26T17:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2014-04-27T00:00:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-26T23:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, he's been blocked for two weeks now, so we can get a little rest before he starts up again. Txantimedia (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-27T00:00:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2014-04-27T00:00:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-26T23:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

As a brand new editor (two days) you have been vigorously reverting at Massacre at Huế, and you filed a 3RR report which is a rather advanced activity. Conceivably you are right about some of the factual issues, but your record is a bit unusual. Can you clarify whether you have had previous Wikipedia accounts? Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-26T18:18:00.000Z","author":"EdJohnston","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdJohnston-2014-04-26T18:18:00.000Z-New_editor","replies":["c-Drmies-2017-11-28T17:25:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2014-04-26T18:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

• EdJohnston, can you remember back three years ago? Did you ever get a response? Drmies (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-28T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Drmies-2017-11-28T17:25:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2014-04-26T18:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T17:55:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-11-28T17:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Drmies: Of course he did. I responded immediately and explained to him that I had been editing anonymously for years and decided to create an account. Also that I'm quite capable of reading and figuring out how to deal with a person who is reverting without explanation or discussion. Read the rest of my talk page. The guy was permanently banned. Are you trying to undermine me because you don't like my positions on issues? Txantimedia (talk) 17:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-28T17:55:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T17:55:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-11-28T17:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2017-11-28T19:48:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T17:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

No. Drmies (talk) 19:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-28T19:48:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Drmies-2017-11-28T19:48:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T17:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-EdJohnston-2017-11-28T20:32:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-11-28T19:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello Drmies and Txantimedia. Yes, for the editor's response on my talk page in April 2014 see User talk:EdJohnston/Archive 32#Yes, I have had previous accounts. The 3RR report was at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive243#User:MiG29VN reported by User:Txantimedia (Result: 2 weeks). I did not have a concern that they were using multiple accounts. I was just surprised that a new user would be able to create a flawless 3RR report. There was a fairly hot dispute at Massacre at Huế during April 2014 which eventually calmed down. (One of the parties was blocked indef as a sock). EdJohnston (talk) 20:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-28T20:32:00.000Z","author":"EdJohnston","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-EdJohnston-2017-11-28T20:32:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-11-28T19:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T20:48:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2017-11-28T20:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Drmies and EdJohnston: Ed, thank you for the compliment. While I have the attention of both of you, I need your help with something. I was unaware that new articles were supposed to go through an acceptance process. I created an article, Vietnam Veterans for Factual History at the request of a friend without going through the approval process. Furthermore, I have a COI, in that I am a member of the group. I try to be as neutral and impartial as I can in every edit that I perform as well as in my edits in Talk discussions, but obviously there is no guarantee that I am or will be. Since the article is already published in mainspace, what should I do now? If I need to be disciplined, I have no problem accepting that. If you wouldn't mind, please look at the article and advise me on next steps. Txantimedia (talk) 20:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-28T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T20:48:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2017-11-28T20:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2017-11-29T02:43:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T20:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

In short, you need less "distinguished" and statements about speakers and what members have done (like that they published books), and more reliable, secondary sources. The club will not become notable because some of its members have articles. Take out Lewy and be more clear about what they propose--and whether it has gained any traction. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-29T02:43:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Drmies-2017-11-29T02:43:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-11-28T20:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-11-29T02:47:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-11-29T02:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks. I'll try to improve the article. Txantimedia (talk) 02:47, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-29T02:47:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-11-29T02:47:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-11-29T02:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Bon matin tout le monde, MiG-29-VC has been blocked indefinitely, and sanity has returned. Enjoy your early 39th commemorative 04/30th gift Mr Bede MiGVC :D Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 11:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z","author":"Nguy\u1ec5n Qu\u1ed1c Vi\u1ec7t","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z-Good_Riddance._No_more_VC!","replies":["c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

I swear, all he ever edits on Viet Wiki is "Đồng tính luyến ái". Well he better enjoy it. Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 11:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z","author":"Nguy\u1ec5n Qu\u1ed1c Vi\u1ec7t","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T13:39:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

His stuff will be gone now too.

Gone. Regarding the SPI, i've considered contributing but thing is he's already blocked. If something arises, i'll add to it. Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-29T13:39:00.000Z","author":"Nguy\u1ec5n Qu\u1ed1c Vi\u1ec7t","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T13:39:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T11:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Large swaths to Chomsky, Porter, Herman, the VC...You are aware, of all active editors on political and historical articles in Viet Wiki, ~50% publicly exhibit their communist political views and allegiance e.g. picking Russian names or Soviet weapons/tanks/plane names as a username, or displaying the "cờ đỏ sao vàng", or hammer & sickle, or Ho Cho Minh's picture or that of Lenin or Che Guevara etc. Even the admins are communist, so don't expect a free and fair environment there (and don't expect that your personal info, like IP address, will be responsibly-handled by admins and checkusers ie IPs of "dissident users" would be reported to Vietnamese police (công an)). Over 400+ accounts, about 1000 chuyên gia bút chiến (online trolls). Just curious, are you Viet? Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 23:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-29T23:33:00.000Z","author":"Nguy\u1ec5n Qu\u1ed1c Vi\u1ec7t","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T23:33:00.000Z-Viet_Wiki_a_failed_project","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2014-04-29T23:57:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T23:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, I am a US Navy vet from that period of history (never served in Vietnam). My cousin was KIA in 1968. Thus my intense interest in the war and the lies that are told about it. --Txantimedia (talk) 23:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-29T23:57:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2014-04-29T23:57:00.000Z-Nguy\u1ec5n_Qu\u1ed1c_Vi\u1ec7t-2014-04-29T23:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Can you cite why Porter and Chomsky shouldn't be used as sources? Their works are verifiable and reliable and shouldn't be discounted just because they don't fit a certain point of view. DHN (talk) 18:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-02T18:33:00.000Z","author":"DHN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DHN-2014-05-02T18:33:00.000Z-Viet_Wiki_a_failed_project","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2014-05-02T19:17:00.000Z-DHN-2014-05-02T18:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

I already have - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF#All_references_to_Porter_and_his_.22work.22_should_be_removed Porter flat out lies, repeatedly, in his articles on Hue. Chomsky simply cites Porter and repeats his lies. Both men may be reliable in other areas, but not on Hue. If you want more, I can provide it. I will be working on an article on Porter's lies about Hue in the near future. --Txantimedia (talk) 19:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-02T19:17:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2014-05-02T19:17:00.000Z-DHN-2014-05-02T18:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-05-02T19:40:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-05-02T19:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

WP:HISTRS should apply to these articles, and Porter's article does not meet it by the usual criteria. Porter spent most of his career as a journalist, writing for radical publications like Ramparts. (Porter also said the Khmer Rouge killed a few hundred. Should that be included in Khmer Rouge per WP:V and WP:NPOV, or would that be WP:FRINGE?) Chomsky's a linguist, not an expert on Indochina or a historian, and his analysis is often quite different in focus from that of a neutral source. To the extent the conclusions of Porter and Chomsky have been accepted by some Vietnam scholars, such as Marilyn Young, they are still included in the article.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-02T19:40:00.000Z","author":"TheTimesAreAChanging","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheTimesAreAChanging-2014-05-02T19:40:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2014-05-02T19:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I noticed your discussion and thought I would let you know you might find most of your useful arguments at WP:Blp since I'm not ready to participate in the conversation myself. Be prepared to accept that a valid counter argument to BLP is that if sufficient multiple RS support the terms, then they CAN be added, but your defense to that is that they don't HAVE to be added since a BLP is involved. Best of luck. Huggums537 (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-25T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Huggums537","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Huggums537-2017-11-25T22:36:00.000Z-Far_right\/left","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-11-25T23:42:00.000Z-Huggums537-2017-11-25T22:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Huggums537:, thanks for your input. I've already begun a conversation at WP:RSN, which led to a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics. Txantimedia (talk) 23:42, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-25T23:42:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-11-25T23:42:00.000Z-Huggums537-2017-11-25T22:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please be aware there are two sets of DS on the Roy Moore article...you might also want to review this AE case. Happy editing! ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:49, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-27T19:49:00.000Z","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Atsme-2017-11-27T19:49:00.000Z-Just_a_friendly_note....","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T20:43:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-11-27T19:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Atsme: What is a DS? I'm fairly new at all this administrative stuff. Txantimedia (talk) 20:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-27T20:43:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T20:43:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-11-27T19:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atsme-2017-11-27T21:16:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T20:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

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@Atsme:, did I do something wrong? Txantimedia (talk) 21:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-27T21:28:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T21:28:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-11-27T21:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Atsme-2017-11-27T21:38:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T21:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not to my knowledge...and not at all why I'm here. I just don't want you to be at a disadvantage by not knowing DS exits on whatever article you might be editing - now you know how to check and see if any are in place. Usually, someone adds a template to a user's TP reminding them that DS are in place - it's just an advisory so read the template to be sure. DS can be quite tricky if you're not paying close attention - they usually show-up in edit view and on the TP of the article. If you wander too close to the "DS quicksand", I'm sure another editor will let you know before you venture too far. I just wanted you to be aware so you could avoid those pitfalls. Please carry on as you have been...and happy editing!! ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-27T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Atsme-2017-11-27T21:38:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T21:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T21:44:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-11-27T21:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK, thanks. I have made mostly grammar and spelling edits on the Roy Moore pages. Most of my contributions have been on the talk pages. Txantimedia (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-27T21:44:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-11-27T21:44:00.000Z-Atsme-2017-11-27T21:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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You have restored "older" twice today. That's a violation of WP:1RR. Please undo it. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T18:20:00.000Z","author":"Nomoskedasticity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nomoskedasticity-2017-12-03T18:20:00.000Z-Roy_Moore","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:25:00.000Z-Nomoskedasticity-2017-12-03T18:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am not violating. User:Signedzzz is. The use of the word older was arrived at by consensus. (See Talk archive 5). Signedzzz then came in and removed it. I have asked him to stop doing that and to engage other editors in talk if he disagrees with the consensus. Perhaps we need to get an admin involved. Txantimedia (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T18:25:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:25:00.000Z-Nomoskedasticity-2017-12-03T18:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2017-12-03T18:43:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

This is very simple. You have violated 1RR. If you don't sort it out, you'll end up at a noticeboard. If you'd like to make a case re someone else's violation, go ahead. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T18:43:00.000Z","author":"Nomoskedasticity","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nomoskedasticity-2017-12-03T18:43:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:51:00.000Z-Nomoskedasticity-2017-12-03T18:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am currently reporting Signedzzz on the noticeboard. He has reverted three times. All I was doing was trying to restore the text agreed upon by consensus. I've engaged him on his talk page, and he has ignored me. He reverted my last revert and added fuck off to his note. What do you suggest that I do? Txantimedia (talk) 18:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T18:51:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:51:00.000Z-Nomoskedasticity-2017-12-03T18:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:56:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nomoskedasticity I reverted my revert. User:Signedzzz somehow managed to "disappear" his revert where he told me to fuck off. This is all way above my head. I was simply trying to restore the agreed upon version. Txantimedia (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:56:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T18:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Txantimedia, you might want to withdraw your ANEW report. It looks to me as if signedzzz removed the word "older" only twice, and the edits were separated by more than 24 hours.[1] The other edit you are talking about - the one where he told you to fuck off - was on his talk page, when he deleted a comment from you. --MelanieN (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2017 (UTC)--MelanieN (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T20:05:00.000Z","author":"MelanieN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MelanieN-2017-12-03T20:05:00.000Z-Roy_Moore","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T21:26:00.000Z-MelanieN-2017-12-03T20:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Actually, he removed it three times. Originally, on Dec 1, which I reverted and asked him on his talk page to discuss before reverting again. Then, he reverted twice on Dec 3 and then accused me of 1RR. Then I got called out by an admin, but nothing has been said to him, AFAIK. So, I will leave it in place and let admins decide whether his behavior was acceptable. Txantimedia (talk) 21:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T21:26:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T21:26:00.000Z-MelanieN-2017-12-03T20:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Anythingyouwant-2017-12-03T22:11:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T21:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for dealing with the PITA.🎖 Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Anythingyouwant","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Anythingyouwant-2017-12-03T22:11:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T21:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T22:21:00.000Z-Anythingyouwant-2017-12-03T22:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

It hasn't been fun, trust me. Txantimedia (talk) 22:21, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-03T22:21:00.000Z-Anythingyouwant-2017-12-03T22:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

From the article history:

16:30, 3 December 2017‎ Signedzzz (talk | contribs)‎ . . (137,508 bytes) (-6)‎ . . (→‎top: "older" is unclear (and unsourced), useful only as WEASEL) (undo | thank) [automatically accepted]

00:59, 2 December 2017‎ Signedzzz (talk | contribs)‎ . . (137,361 bytes) (-6)‎ . . (→‎top: unclear) (undo | thank) [automatically accepted]

Those are the only two edits that zzz has made to the article in December and they are clearly more than 24 hours apart. You seem to think talk page edits count. They don't.

I agree with MelanieN. There is no 1RR violation on this article and you would be wise to withdraw the report. If you want to report zzz for lack of civility, you can do that. But 1RR is a non-starter. Lard Almighty (talk) 07:47, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T07:47:00.000Z","author":"Lard Almighty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T07:47:00.000Z-Roy_Moore","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T15:11:00.000Z-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T07:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Lard Almighty: So how do I report him for lack of civility? And how do I withdraw the report?Txantimedia (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T15:11:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T15:11:00.000Z-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T07:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

To withdraw the report, you could simply go to the report and say something like "I am withdrawing this report because..." and whatever reason you want, such as "because I misunderstood the 1RR requirement" or simply "on the basis of advice at my talk page". To report incivility, of course you could - probably at ANI - but it might not go anywhere. I am sorry to say that standards have declined here to the point where it is no longer regarded as uncivil if you tell someone at your talk page to "fuck off" - or at least not uncivil enough to take action. My impression is that "fuck you" is still regarded as actionably uncivil, but "fuck off" is not. Especially when one says it on one's talk page while deleting a comment, it seems to be taken as just a particularly rude way of saying "stay off my talk page". I disagree with this erosion of standards and regret it, but that's my observation of current practice. I am only telling you this because I would hate to see you file a second complaint against him if it is going to be futile. --MelanieN (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T16:29:00.000Z","author":"MelanieN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MelanieN-2017-12-04T16:29:00.000Z-Roy_Moore","replies":["c-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T16:34:00.000Z-MelanieN-2017-12-04T16:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

I would have given you exactly the advice that MelanieN has given you. He has been reminded to be more civil and I would leave it at that. Any report would at most result in an admin dropping by his talk page with a similar reminder. Lard Almighty (talk) 16:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T16:34:00.000Z","author":"Lard Almighty","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T16:34:00.000Z-MelanieN-2017-12-04T16:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T19:14:00.000Z-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T16:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, you're right that it's disappointing. I did everything I could to engage him in discussion, and all he did was ignore me and then insult me. I guess I'll just stay away from controversial pages and let the jerks fight it out. MelanieN has been the voice of reason on the Roy Moore page, but the jostling for position and constant battling is wearying. I'll go write something on the complaint and be done with him, hopefully. Txantimedia (talk) 19:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T19:14:00.000Z-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T16:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T19:39:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T19:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's very frustrating to deal with people who will not engage and then when they do they become aggressive. Eventually that kind of behaviour catches up with people. zzz has been blocked before for edit-warring. Sometimes it's best just to take the higher road and move on knowing that eventually if an editor persistently breaks the rules and guidelines they will be dealt with. I have seen many editors eventually blocked indefinitely once a pattern of behaviour has been established. Lard Almighty (talk) 19:39, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T19:39:00.000Z","author":"Lard Almighty","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T19:39:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T19:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T20:03:00.000Z-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T19:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, if you look at my talk page, you can see that I've dealt with this sort of thing before. It's tiring and exasperating, and it discourages me from editing at all. The process of reporting someone is so cumbersome, it's almost not worth the effort, yet one has to, or the jerks will rule the roost. Txantimedia (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T20:03:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-04T20:03:00.000Z-Lard_Almighty-2017-12-04T19:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I screwed up when I uploaded it. This file may be deleted. It's been replaced with this one: File:Dr.JamesSRobbins.jpg, which has the appropriate free use copyright. Txantimedia (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-06T17:16:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2017-12-06T17:16:00.000Z-Whpq-2017-12-06T16:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Whpq-2017-12-06T18:35:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2017-12-06T17:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

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The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

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Subject is quite notable. But consist of lack of information. I might mark it green but due to lack of sources I can't recognize him yet.

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Can you help me understand which sources are not up to Wikipedia standards?

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Absolutely I'm satisfied. I read about the backlog of articles and was pleasantly surprised when you got to this one so quickly. To have it approved so quickly is wonderful. I may create some others in the future. I'm doing genealogical research in North Carolina and have found several people who really deserve to have Wikipedia pages. @TTP1233: Txantimedia (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-22T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Txantimedia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Txantimedia-2021-11-22T17:31:00.000Z-TTP1233-2021-11-22T08:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-TTP1233-2021-11-23T09:02:00.000Z-Txantimedia-2021-11-22T17:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

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"FormalDude" seems determined to frame the article "rich men north of richmond" as a right wing song. Whereas the author specifically said in a video that he is in the centrum of the political spectrum and the song is attacking all politicians. Just like you, I edited the article with a valid source to remove the framing and got deleted moments later by "FormalDude".

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For obvious reasons, Wikipedia goes by reliable sources, not the subject's own word. ––FormalDude (talk) 17:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230816173200","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FormalDude-20230816173200-155.4.221.80-20230816171100","replies":[]}}-->

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