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Reversion of Maya context on Jiva article

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Hi,

I noticed you just reverted my contribution on the jiva article. I added the information about maya to the article to provide readers with some background context and I think the information should stay in the article.

Diff link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jiva&diff=1186377025&oldid=1186376756

Thanks,

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The problem is, what you wrote is completely incomprehensible: Also described as a divine illusion, maya keeps jivas bound by the world through attachment of the senses, trapping it in the cycle births and deaths. Dorsetonian (talk) 19:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231122195400","author":"Dorsetonian","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dorsetonian-20231122195400-Starlights99-20231122193300","replies":["c-Starlights99-20231123184700-Dorsetonian-20231122195400"]}}-->

The concept of maya and its influence on a jiva is common across many philosophies, so I'm not sure what you find incomprehensible about the statement. Please could you explain?

Thanks,

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I have read this over and over, and it makes no sense to me whatsoever. What does keeping jivas "bound by the world" mean? Bound to what? How does the world bind anything? What does "attachment of the senses" mean? Again - attachment to what? And how are senses attached to anything? What are "cycle births" - or is there simply a word missing here? Assuming so - what is "the" (as opposed to "a") "cycle [of] births and deaths"? What is "it" which is trapped? - the only possible match that is singular is "maya" yet the subject is "jivas", a plural. To me, this is just an incoherent collection of apparently random words, though many of them do seem to match the existing text The jiva is defined as a distinct, individual soul, i.e., a finite sentient being. Jivas are bound by maya, which hides their true self, which is characterized by eternal existence, consciousness and bliss. There are an infinite number of jivas. They are extremely subtle, indivisible, unpierceable, ageless and immortal. While residing within the heart, a jiva pervades the entire body by its capacity to know (gnānshakti), making it animate. It is the form of knowledge (gnānswarūp) as well as the knower (gnātā). The jiva is the performer of virtuous and immoral actions (karmas) and experiences the fruits of these actions. It has been eternally bound by maya; as a result, it roams within the cycle of birth and death. Birth is when a jiva acquires a new body, and death is when it departs from its body. Just as one abandons one's old clothes and wears new ones, the jiva renounces its old body and acquires a new one - are you duplicating part of that? Dorsetonian (talk) 08:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231124080200","author":"Dorsetonian","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dorsetonian-20231124080200-Starlights99-20231123184700","replies":[]}}-->

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maya furnityter furniture CHRISTOPHERMICHAELBRYANT (talk) 01:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231222011900","author":"CHRISTOPHERMICHAELBRYANT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CHRISTOPHERMICHAELBRYANT-20231222011900-maya_furnityter_furniture","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, I noticed you undid by edit on the history if controlled burns by indigenous people. I disagree that pre-agricultural is the correct term for societies that use fire because these societies do not use agriculture at all and are not going to "progress" towards agriculture. I plan to change the wording again to non-agricultural or indigenous because that is a more accurate representation. HFHaider (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404155900","author":"HFHaider","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HFHaider-20240404155900-Controlled_Burn_Article_reversion","replies":["c-Dorsetonian-20240404163300-HFHaider-20240404155900"]}}-->

The use of "indigenous" was, I thought, not helpful: there is no reason to suppose an "indigenous" population is pre-/non-agricultural. So if you want to avoid "pre-agricultural" then the alternative of "non-agricultural" that you suggested seems like a good choice. Dorsetonian (talk) 16:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404163300","author":"Dorsetonian","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dorsetonian-20240404163300-HFHaider-20240404155900","replies":["c-HFHaider-20240404202000-Dorsetonian-20240404163300"]}}-->

I agree with your critique and will change it to "non-agricultural". Thanks! HFHaider (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404202000","author":"HFHaider","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-HFHaider-20240404202000-Dorsetonian-20240404163300","replies":[]}}-->