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To edit the route diagram go to {{Riviera Line}} Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-12T13:53:00.000Z","author":"Geof Sheppard","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Geof_Sheppard-2008-02-12T13:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Proposed split

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This proposal is linked to the proposal to split Reading to Plymouth Line into 3 articles. The Riviera line is not a specific physical line but a branding used first by Wessex Trains and now First Great Western I think the articles should be more about physical lines than route branding and this article and in terms of physical lines this article will be duplicating the section from Exeter to Newton Abbot so this will be covered by Exeter to Plymouth Line with Newton Abbot to Paignton Line covering other section. ZoeL (talk) 12:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z","author":"ZoeL","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z-Proposed_split","replies":["c-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:12:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z","c-Geof_Sheppard-2008-09-12T12:49:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z","c-ZoeL-2008-09-12T13:10:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Support as posted above I think the articles should be about the physical lines. ZoeL (talk) 12:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T12:12:00.000Z","author":"ZoeL","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:12:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Not support the stations along this route are consistently branded on their signs as being a single route. In my mind this is more important than Wiki allocating arbitary junctions between lines; in historic terms we would want "Exeter - Plymoouth" as one route and "Newton Abbot - Kingswear" as another, but that would patently be nonsense in the context of current operations. If the suggestion that articles should be more about physical lines than route branding is to be adopted, it should be discussed on the UK Railways WikiProject talk page. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T12:49:00.000Z","author":"Geof Sheppard","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Geof_Sheppard-2008-09-12T12:49:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The stations do have the branding yes but this is route branding by a TOC and is not related to pyshical lines so the article should be about that only and should not list route availability and freight gauge, Newton Abbot to Paignton is route GW620. An altenative would be to retain this article for details on route branding and split the content that deals with the physical lines. ZoeL (talk) 13:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T13:10:00.000Z","author":"ZoeL","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ZoeL-2008-09-12T13:10:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T12:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Geof_Sheppard-2008-09-15T07:28:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T13:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

But your reference shows Exeter to Plymouth to be part of a "Fordgate to Penzance" line (Fordgate is a tiny little place near Bridgwater, it has never had a junction or station) Geof Sheppard (talk) 07:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-15T07:28:00.000Z","author":"Geof Sheppard","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Geof_Sheppard-2008-09-15T07:28:00.000Z-ZoeL-2008-09-12T13:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-ZoeL-2008-09-15T14:22:00.000Z-Geof_Sheppard-2008-09-15T07:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

The original route was GW100 Paddington to Penzance via Box, this was split in 1999 into 3 routes. Fordgate is where control changes from Bristol PSB to Exeter PSB. Mileages are still calculated from Paddington to Penzance via Box and the line designated main on track diagrams uses that route. ZoeL (talk) 14:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-15T14:22:00.000Z","author":"ZoeL","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ZoeL-2008-09-15T14:22:00.000Z-Geof_Sheppard-2008-09-15T07:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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