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I propose to merge New Right (Israel) into Hosen Yisrael. I think that the content in the New Right (Israel) article can easily be explained in the context of Hosen Yisrael, and the Hosen Yisrael article is of a reasonable size that the merging of New Right (Israel) will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-29T23:28:00.000Z","author":"David O. Johnson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_O._Johnson-2018-12-29T23:28:00.000Z-Merger_proposal","replies":[]}}-->

@Midrashah, Libertarian Wing&action, and Jay942942: Notifying involved contributors. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-29T23:31:00.000Z","author":"David O. Johnson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_O._Johnson-2018-12-29T23:31:00.000Z-Merger_proposal","replies":["c-Number_57-2018-12-29T23:33:00.000Z-David_O._Johnson-2018-12-29T23:31:00.000Z","c-Jay942942-2018-12-29T23:38:00.000Z-David_O._Johnson-2018-12-29T23:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Why would you want to merge the articles? They are about separate parties; New Right is the one formed by Bennett and several other Jewish Home members, not anything to do with Gantz' party. Number 57 23:33, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-29T23:33:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2018-12-29T23:33:00.000Z-David_O._Johnson-2018-12-29T23:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->

I am not seeing much relation between the two articles. Given the New Right will have electoral representation within the next few days, it would not make sense to merge it into another page, especially for a party that currently does not have representation.--Jay942942 (talk) 23:38, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-29T23:38:00.000Z","author":"Jay942942","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jay942942-2018-12-29T23:38:00.000Z-David_O._Johnson-2018-12-29T23:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

My mistake.. I was confused. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-29T23:40:00.000Z","author":"David O. Johnson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_O._Johnson-2018-12-29T23:40:00.000Z-Merger_proposal","replies":[]}}-->

Party spokespeople have confirmed that the party's official name in English is Israel Resilience.[1] News media have followed suit.[2][3][4]

Assuming no objections, we should proceed to rename this page accordingly. --Precision123 (talk) 20:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-30T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Precision123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Precision123-2018-12-30T20:22:00.000Z-New_title","replies":[]}}-->

I created this article under the current name and after reading the source i also agree with moving the article to its English name.Midrashah (talk) 23:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-30T23:23:00.000Z","author":"Midrashah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Midrashah-2018-12-30T23:23:00.000Z-New_title","replies":[]}}-->

 Done --Midrashah (talk) 19:12, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-12-31T19:12:00.000Z","author":"Midrashah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Midrashah-2018-12-31T19:12:00.000Z-New_title","replies":["c-Precision123-2019-01-02T17:50:00.000Z-Midrashah-2018-12-31T19:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you. I would, however, change it to Israel Resilience, rather than Israel Resilience Party. We do not usually include the word "party" unless it is part of the name (see, e.g., Likud, Meretz). Agreed? --Precision123 (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-02T17:50:00.000Z","author":"Precision123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Precision123-2019-01-02T17:50:00.000Z-Midrashah-2018-12-31T19:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-MarkZusab-2019-01-02T17:57:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-02T17:50:00.000Z","c-MarkZusab-2019-01-02T18:01:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-02T17:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Precision123: I have moved it to Israel Resilience MarkZusab (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-02T17:57:00.000Z","author":"MarkZusab","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MarkZusab-2019-01-02T17:57:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-02T17:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I just moved it back and would prefer other editors provide input. Israel Resilience Party appears to be the official English name and what the majority of media sources refer to it as. MarkZusab (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-02T18:01:00.000Z","author":"MarkZusab","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MarkZusab-2019-01-02T18:01:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-02T17:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Precision123-2019-01-04T21:26:00.000Z-MarkZusab-2019-01-02T18:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

I disagree. The word "party" is often put in lowercase here, indicating that it is not part of the official name of the party. (It is true that this is not done consistently, but there are also sources that capitalize the P in "Likud Party" [rather than Likud party], even though it is not part of the official name. Since it is not part of the name here, I would change it back to Israel Resilience. --Precision123 (talk) 21:26, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-04T21:26:00.000Z","author":"Precision123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Precision123-2019-01-04T21:26:00.000Z-MarkZusab-2019-01-02T18:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Midrashah-2019-01-05T13:26:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-04T21:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

The source says the sopkesperson indicated the official name in English includes the word Party, so the title should include it. --Midrashah (talk) 13:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-05T13:26:00.000Z","author":"Midrashah","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Midrashah-2019-01-05T13:26:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-04T21:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Precision123-2019-01-05T20:49:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-05T13:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you. Did you see my point above using the example of Likud? Also, the very source that the spokesperson is reported in—The Times of Israel—has since been using the word "party" in lowercase.[5][6]

According to the Associated Press, the party name was registered officially as "Israel Resilience."[7] Sometimes for stylistic preferences writers capitalize the word "party" after the party name (e.g., Meretz Party vs. Meretz party), but unless it is actually part of the name, it is typically lowercase. (The only party I can think of with it in the full name is the Israel Labor Party.) Other sources like The New York Times, CNN, The Economist, and the AP are also simply using Israel Resilience. --Precision123 (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-05T20:49:00.000Z","author":"Precision123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Precision123-2019-01-05T20:49:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-05T13:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:16:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-05T20:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

When the source The Times of Israel specificlly cited the sopkesperson it used it uncluding Party word. In other cases the newspapers used it without, but it was not while citing the sopkesperason, and could also be kind of writing style, and here on wikipedia we wonna use the official name. --Midrashah (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-06T20:16:00.000Z","author":"Midrashah","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:16:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-05T20:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:20:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Also, as for the example of Likud etc., it never claimed in the first place to have included the word Party in the party name, so its irrelvent. --Midrashah (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-06T20:20:00.000Z","author":"Midrashah","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:20:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Precision123-2019-01-06T21:14:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not irrelevant. The word "party" does not appear in "Hosen L'Yisrael" at all, just as it does not appear in the "Likud." I just laid out not one but several sources that either do not use the word "party" or use it in lowercase—including The Times of Israel. Not to mention the Associated Press quoted what the party is officially registered as: "Israel Resilience"—the word "party" not part of the official name. --Precision123 (talk) 21:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-06T21:14:00.000Z","author":"Precision123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Precision123-2019-01-06T21:14:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-06T20:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Midrashah-2019-01-08T19:57:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-06T21:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

In Hebrew חוסן לשיראל does not include the word party, but In English it does, according to The times of Israel, and that source uses uppercase [8] when citing the sopkesperson. If you can bring an addtional source that will cite the spokesperson for the party or anybody else officially connected to either Gantz or the party, which cites that person stating the name of the party without the word Party or uses that with lowercase, then we could talk of changing the title of the article. --Midrashah (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-08T19:57:00.000Z","author":"Midrashah","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Midrashah-2019-01-08T19:57:00.000Z-Precision123-2019-01-06T21:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Since there is no official or unofficial statement from the party or its leaders regarding the political alignment, except for an old interview with a general statement about the irrelevance of those very same definitions, I think that the party's political position should be described as "Unknown" until we know something else. משה פרידמן (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-07T16:31:00.000Z","author":"\u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-07T16:31:00.000Z-political_alignment","replies":["c-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-09T17:07:00.000Z-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-07T16:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Since I see no objection here, and also in the Hebrew Wikipedia and Wikidata, and after waiting enough time, I'm changing the political position to unknown. משה פרידמן (talk) 17:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-09T17:07:00.000Z","author":"\u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-09T17:07:00.000Z-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-07T16:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I Object. there sources quoting his positions. --Midrashah (talk) 20:29, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-09T20:29:00.000Z","author":"Midrashah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Midrashah-2019-01-09T20:29:00.000Z-political_alignment","replies":["c-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-09T20:47:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-09T20:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

This source doesn't say whether he is right, left or center. "Center" is by no means an average of right and left on different issues. Furthermore, the source explicitly expresses his opinion on the irrelevance of those definitions, hence cannot be a valid source to categorize him on this invalid scale (according to him). משה פרידמן (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-09T20:47:00.000Z","author":"\u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-09T20:47:00.000Z-Midrashah-2019-01-09T20:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-14T16:31:00.000Z-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-09T20:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Again, I see no response here or in the Hebrew Wikipedia that explains your position, and the reason you undid my edit. I have no intention to fight over this, so I'll leave it to you, Midrashah, and to your personal dignity, to decide. משה פרידמן (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-14T16:31:00.000Z","author":"\u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-14T16:31:00.000Z-\u05de\u05e9\u05d4_\u05e4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d3\u05de\u05df-2019-01-09T20:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@Number 57: there are no proof that Israel Resilience Party is still active. Like Yamina, Blue and White replaces Israel Resilience Party. --Panam2014 (talk) 23:38, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-05T23:38:00.000Z","author":"Panam2014","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panam2014-2021-06-05T23:38:00.000Z-Blue_and_White","replies":["c-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:21:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-05T23:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Panam2014: I don't think this is the case. Israel Resilience did contest the last elections, running under the name "Blue and White" (see the text at the bottom of the CEC list: "The list of candidates was submitted on behalf of the Israel Resilience Party."). It's possible that Blue & White still exists as a coalition, but now has only one party within it. Number 57 17:21, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-06T17:21:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:21:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-05T23:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Panam2014-2021-06-06T17:28:00.000Z-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Number"}}-->

@Number 57: is it the same for Yamina? The problem is Resilience does not have a website in 2021. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-06T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Panam2014","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Panam2014-2021-06-06T17:28:00.000Z-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:35:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-06T17:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, it's the same for Yamina – if you look on their CEC list, it states the list was presented by Tzalash (the legal name for New Right). Re Israel Resilience, it seems their official Facebook page (here) is still going, albeit under an 'Israel before all' title. It's all a bit messy tbh. Number 57 17:35, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-06T17:35:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:35:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-06T17:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Panam2014-2021-06-06T19:22:00.000Z-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Number"}}-->

@Number 57: but the color of Resiliance have been changed. Could you change it? --Panam2014 (talk) 19:22, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-06T19:22:00.000Z","author":"Panam2014","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Panam2014-2021-06-06T19:22:00.000Z-Number_57-2021-06-06T17:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Number_57-2021-06-06T19:24:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-06T19:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Has it? Where is the proof of this? You can change it yourself at Template:Israel Resilience Party/meta/color. Number 57 19:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-06T19:24:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Number_57-2021-06-06T19:24:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-06T19:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->

@Number 57:Here. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-06T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Panam2014","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panam2014-2021-06-06T19:36:00.000Z-Blue_and_White","replies":["c-Number_57-2021-06-06T19:45:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-06T19:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

It looks like that is Blue & White branding. Number 57 19:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-06T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Number_57-2021-06-06T19:45:00.000Z-Panam2014-2021-06-06T19:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->

In Hebrew they changed the name by adding Blue and White in the start (כחול לבן חוסן לישראל), would this change the name in english to "Blue and White Israel Resilience party" or to " Blue and White Resilience for Israel party"?

In Hebrew they changed the name by adding Blue and White in the start (כחול לבן חוסן לישראל), would this change the name in english to "Blue and White Israel Resilience party" or to " Blue and White Resilience for Israel party"? Netanel9530 (talk) 23:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231205234900","author":"Netanel9530","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Netanel9530-20231205234900-They_changed_the_name_of_the_party_in_Hebrew_2","replies":[]}}-->

User:David O. Johnson, in general, the Israel Resilience Party is mainly regarded as a centrist party; however, it has also been evaluated as "centre-right" or "centre-left". I provided sources here. Bakbik1234 (talk) 20:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331200700","author":"Bakbik1234","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bakbik1234-20240331200700-\"Centre-right\"","replies":[]}}-->

@HapHaxion:, could you explain why you added the Update tag to the article (or add a reason parameter)? I'm not sure what needs updating otherwise. Thanks. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240522233200","author":"David O. Johnson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_O._Johnson-20240522233200-Update_tag","replies":["c-HapHaxion-20240523001600-David_O._Johnson-20240522233200"]}}-->

Mainly the party's colors, website (if applicable), having any applicable sections reference its new name since 2023 (not sure if moving the article would be appropriate) and any recent activity aside from having joined the war cabinet, as the history section for 2022 to now seems sparse. HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 00:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523001600","author":"HapHaxion","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-HapHaxion-20240523001600-David_O._Johnson-20240522233200","replies":["c-David_O._Johnson-20240523003100-HapHaxion-20240523001600"]}}-->

Appreciate it. David O. Johnson (talk) 00:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523003100","author":"David O. Johnson","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-David_O._Johnson-20240523003100-HapHaxion-20240523001600","replies":[]}}-->