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North Chicago and Chicago tornadoes

Hey, I hope it's not too much to ask, but can you get the Grazulis pages for the North Chicago tornado of September 26, 1972, and the one in Downtown Chicago some time in 1876? And if it's not too much of a chore, the ones for Crystal Lake (April 1965, F4) and Lake Zurich (April 1967, F4)? I need it for a draft I'm working on. Thank you! Departure– (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

  • Here you go! Notes: k = killed, inj = injured, y = width in yards, m = length in miles, f = "family".
1876
IL
May 6, 1876
1710
2k
35inj
100yd
4m
F3
COOK -- "Rebounding like a bombshell," the tornado moved NE, ripping apart and collapsing both large and small buildings in downtown Chicago. Damage totalled about $250,000. One man died in the destruction of the Reaper Mission. The chimney of a candy factory was blown down, injuring workers, one of whom eventually died. At a county hospital (at 18th and Arnold) the roof and cupola were torn off, but the "terror- stricken" patients inside were unharmed. A freight depot collapsed, trapping and mangling the men inside. A church steeple and many brick chimneys were blown down. The Chicago Tribune printed a description of the multiple vortex structure of the tornado as it moved out onto Lake Michigan. The astute observation and conclusion (by a newspaper reporter) that air in the center of the multiple vortex tornado was moving downward was nearly a century ahead of its time. About a mile from shore "it was then composed of eight or ten columns grouped together, all whirling around a central point. The columns, or spirals, twisted and writhed like snakes. The group was about 500 feet in diameter, the various parts leaning at the top towards the centre, and bulging slightly at the middle. Now and then a column would draw away from its fellow and then sweep back. The down rush of air in the vacuum drew the cloud down. Directly under the mass the lake was flat and still. Around it the waters were lashed and torn. The waves dashed upon the spirals as if driven to madness by the attack. As the pillars curled around, binding themselves together, the cloud vomited lightning, as though sick of the performance. Another such scene may never come in this generation, and it is to be regretted that the cylinder could not have been caught and pickled for scientific investigation."
1965
IL
APR 11, 1965
1527
6k
75inj
400y
11m
F4
MCHENRY/LAKE -- (F-1) Moved ENE from the SW edge of Crystal Lake, passing through the SE side of that town, and ending 2m N of Wauconda. In a single subdivision, 45 homes were destroyed and 110 were badly damaged. Major damage also occurred along a four-block long, 200-yard-wide area of Island Lake. Five people were killed at Crystal Lake and one at Island Lake. $1,500,000. SEE FIGURES 143 and 144.
1967
IL
APR 21, 1967
1700
1k
123inj
150y
f17m
F4
KANE/COOK/LAKE-This tornado is plotted as moving NE from the NW side of Elgin, passing through Barrington Hills and Lake Zurich. It may have begun as far the to SW as a service station on Hwy-47 near Elburn. At Elgin, three people were injured as a factory was unroofed and torn apart. There was a $100,000 loss at the state hospital. Further to the NE, the tornado grew very intense and destroyed or damaged 500 homes. Homes were leveled at Barrington Hills, and a 1000- pound heating unit was carried a half mile from a home. A dozen cars were "thrown like toys" near the Hwy-22 and 59 intersection. $10,000,000.
1972
IL
SEP 28, 1972 (I presume this was a typo you made. Grazulis does not record any tornadoes September 26, 1972)
0555
0k
3inj
10y
f30m
F2
LAKE -- Moved NE from SW of North Chicago to Lake Michigan, east of Waukegan. Most of the injuries and much of the damage occurred at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center. Many trailers and barracks were destroyed. $1,000,000.
Hope that helps! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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Andrew5

Struck by request wizzito | say hello! 15:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Genuine question, why are we stalking and doxxing other editors? — EF5 15:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Not stalking. This is his choice to use public IP addresses. If he doesn't like it he should wait for the IP masking in May. wizzito | say hello! 15:52, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Andrew5#09_March_2025 and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Andrew5/Archive#31_December_2024 for evidence of previous college visits wizzito | say hello! 15:53, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Struck by request wizzito | say hello! 15:52, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Seems like it to me. "He uses public IPs" is no reason to track others IRL. — EF5 15:53, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
No admin has told me to stop. Izno and Ponyo have both looked at my SPI reports and found nothing wrong. wizzito | say hello! 15:54, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
If an admin tells me to stop I will wizzito | say hello! 15:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Would you like me to ask another admin? Clearly something's off with this; I don't like that we are guessing exact events this user will be at. Stalking is stalking, no matter who it's to. — EF5 15:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
I'm more worried about Andrew going to college and having an entirely new city of sock IPs that he can use as he pleases. wizzito | say hello! 15:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Go ahead, if you want. I probably did go too far. I'm just worried about how nobody cares to stop him sometimes. wizzito | say hello! 15:57, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Also, he's sent death threats and harassed multiple people (including me) for just reporting his socks and not talking about his locations/IPs. I don't think he deserves privacy, especially because he chooses to use public Wi-Fi IPs that reveal their locations when you pull up Whois. Just my opinion. wizzito | say hello! 16:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Sure, but that's no excuse to give exact locations this user will be at. It's like someome telling everyone online where you live, yet you never gave them consent to do so. — EF5 16:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Andrew5/Archive#23_December_2024 gave an exact location; that IP is at an arcade in Long Island and Whois proves that. I will stop speculation and wait to see what happens before I go to SPI next. wizzito | say hello! 16:04, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
I'd go ahead and say that's also stalking, although I've asked an uninvoled administrator for a second opinion. — EF5 16:06, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Then should WP remove the ability to look at Whois data for IPs until IP masking comes online in May? wizzito | say hello! 16:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
We have a Whois tool on the bottom of the contributions page for every IP, and it looks like this (used 1.1.1.1 DNS as an example) https://whois-referral.toolforge.org/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=1.1.1.1 wizzito | say hello! 16:10, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Just an example of how he goes under the radar - 24.184.217.210 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), which geolocates to a place on Long Island, is a pretty obvious Andrew IP sock yet it was never blocked. It started a move discussion related to weather (which succeeded) and made a few other edits in that space. wizzito | say hello! 16:12, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
Sure. Wizzito can tell his side (I obviously won't speak for someone), but I was concerned that we are guessing the locations Andrew5 will be at, which could constitute stalking. EF5 16:23, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
I thought you saw talking about the IPs he has used as stalking, given I linked that SPI report that talked about the location of a sock IP. wizzito | say hello! 16:25, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
No, that's fine (public IPs are public). I'm concerned that we are guessing places where he will be (two college-related events of note that Andrew may be going to today) which seems like stalking to me. Then again, I could be wrong, but best to wait for that second opinion. — EF5 16:27, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
I do apologize for speculating on this, and I consider it to be more like stalking now. It was an impulse decision. The best action would be to wait for any edits and then go to SPI. wizzito | say hello! 16:29, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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Just to let you know, you might want to put a COI notice on Talk:Ryan Hall, Y’all, although I don't think it's required. EF5 09:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Significant Tornadoes: A chronology of events - Public domain?

Odd question. On my online copy of the Significant Tornadoes: A chronology of events Volume 2 of Significant Tornadoes: 1880-1989 published in 1990 (this is the tornado book), there's a disclaimer on page three that notes "all written material herein is in the public domain". Hypothetically, if all the images in the book are blacked out, would the entire book be able to be transferred to WikiSource? I know nothing about it, so asking you. — EF5 19:59, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

I think so based on that statement in a published book? @Rlandmann: would you concur? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:13, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
Here's the online copy if y'all want to confirm that. Maybe for once the Wx-Wiki community will actually have a good thing happen related to copyright! EF5 20:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
From a copyright standpoint -- yes, absolutely. The text is completely free. Whether it's within scope for WikiSource is another question that's outside my experience, but it looks OK to me. I'd still be asking over there though. --Rlandmann (talk) 21:16, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

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A few more Grazulis references

Hey, when you get a chance, could you get me a few more refs for my draft? I'm specifically looking for the following.

  • F3 and F4 tornadoes in Cook County from the March 28, 1920 Palm Sunday outbreak in Illinois,
  • 1781 Chicago Portage tornado that Grazulis might record,
  • May 22, 1855 Des Plaines, Illinois tornado (may be marked as Jefferson, Illinois, see Draft:Tornadoes in Chicago#1855 (Jefferson/Des Plaines)),
  • April 7, 1948 tornado in Northwest Indiana,
  • June 13, 1976 Lemont, Illinois F4 tornado,
  • April 21, 1967 Oak Lawn F4 tornado,
  • March 12, 1976 F3 tornado in DuPage and Cook County.

I could probably get by without these but they'd make getting the article in ship-shape a lot quicker. Thanks! Departure– (talk) 15:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey Departure– I can get these summaries to you this weekend (my book is being borrowed by a friend for a class this week). I'll try to remember, but feel free to shoot me a talk page message as a reminder on Saturday or Sunday. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:21, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! Also, if it's not too much trouble, it turns out there's a lot more that don't have much information online. If it's not too much trouble, can you get summaries for:
  • May 25, 1896
  • April 7, 1929
  • May 1, 1933
  • April 18, 1955
  • May 26, 1955
  • August 30, 1958
All in Chicago. Your help would be greatly appreciated, even just fetching non-free sources. Thank you! Departure– (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) I assume you mean the Cook County F3 for the 1896 tornado? In the 1990 edition, he writes: IL | May 25, 1896 | 0150 | 0k | inj | 400y | 4.5m | F3 | COOK-Moved due E from the Leyden-Maine town line to the Jefferson-Niles area.The tornado passed through the towns of Park Ridge, Edison Park and Norwood Park. The worst destruction was on the highest ground, the Canfield-on-the-Hill section of Edison Park. In all, six homes were destroyed and 30 others were said to be beyond repair. $100,000. This is located on page 70. I do know the newer version is refined, so the details may be off. — EF5 17:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
@WeatherWriter: Weekend in the USA, do you think you could get the source relatively soon? Cheers! Departure– (talk) 23:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
I just happen to see this and I am so sorry. I mixed up the date that my friend said. I will get the book back on April 22, not April 12, which is what I was thinking. So I won’t be able to get you the info until then. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:41, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
Aw, I was hoping to get it out before the anniversary of the Oak Lawn outbreak. Oh well, there's plenty of other free sources available. Thanks anyway! Departure– (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
As it turns out that the old Significant Tornadoes book includes most of the tornadoes I'm looking for, I don't need the references for most stated above; however, there are still a few outside of the 1990's book range I'd like the citations for:
  • 1781 (Chicago portage), may or may not be recorded
  • May 22, 1855
  • June 3, 1860
  • May 23, 1878
  • November 17, 2013 (both in Will County)
  • June 20, 2021
Glad to find out from your talk page the 1880-1991 issue is both free to access and in the public domain. Again, no rush for these, but two of these would be best sourced to the Grazulis book. Thanks! Departure– (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

A draft on the SPC's incredibly niche tornado tool exists, you may be interested. — EF5 14:46, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

I will definitely take a look at that. I am planning to spend a couple of weeks and get History of tornado research up to really good standards. So, I figure STP will be mentioned at some point in the history article, and I may find new info for the STP article as well. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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Some media

Here's a few pieces of tornado media that you might want on the list:
1. Bartlesville hotel video
2. The "Twister" movie cover tornado
3. Dave Freeman's Greensburg coverage, maybe? It's covered in a few reliable sources.
4. Richard Henderson's incredibly sad El Reno photo
5. "Tornado over Kansas"
I'll add more as I find them, hope this helps. :)EF5 (questions?) 03:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

I'll look into those! I know Richard Henderson's photo can probably be added already. Also, you are welcome to add anything to List of notable media in the field of meteorology if you find any other really notable photos or videos! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
I'll work on it, but I thought I'd inform you of those regardless. A few more:
1. First Hook echo
2. Take another look at Spann's 4/27/11 ABC 33/40 coverage. Seems to be well-documented in RS's. I'm currently re-watching the entire broadcast today because I've never done that, very interesting yet sad.
3. Tuscaloosa-tornado videos may be suitable for inclusion on the list.
4. This.
Enjoy. :) EF5 (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Grazulis references

Alright, so I completely forgot to re-inquire about the Grazulis books, but if you could, I'd just like the references for the three tornadoes near Chicago for the article preferably. The three were 1781 (Chicago Portage, again, might not be recorded by Grazulis), May 22, 1855 (Jefferson / Des Plaines, Illinois), and June 3, 1860 (throughout the Chicago metro). Everything else is either in the free Grazulis source or elsewhere easy enough to find. Thank you in advance! Departure– (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Here you go Departure–!
No tornadoes in 1781 were recorded by Grazulis sadly.
1855 Below.
IL
MAY 22, 1855
1630 (start time)
3k (deaths)
6inj (injuries)
y (No width recorded)
m (No path length recorded)
F (No F-scale rating recorded)
COOK -- A tornado moved to the SE, and touched down briefly at "Jefferson," just east of Norwood Park, about 16m NW of downtown Chicago. It destroyed one home containing nine people, killing a woman and two children.
1860 Below. I presume this is the tornado you are referencing since it is the only one that hit Cook County like the 1855 tornado did. Two other IL tornadoes occurred that day along with the one below and both have extremely long summaries (like 2 pages are in the book just to cover those two tornadoes)....and a couple of really long Iowa tornado summaries same day.......How In The World Do We Not Have An Outbreak Article For These????? 100+ Deaths! List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks#1860s....We note the outbreak there with 148+ deaths and we do not have an article on it!
IL
JUN 3, 1860
2130 (start time)
0k (deaths)
4inj (injuries)
y (No width recorded)
15m (Path length in miles)
F (No F-scale rating recorded)
KANE /COOK /LAKE -- Moved NE from west of Elgin to near Dundee where homes were unroofed and the post office was destroyed. At Lake Zurich, the Brockway farm lost the upper floor of the farm house. Four people were injured and clothing was carried several miles. Another likely tornado hit at Glencoe, destroying one home and uprooted trees in Cook County. Ships reported a large waterspout out over Lake Michigan. Other possible tornadoes produced damage in and around Long Grove, Illinois and Ottawa County, Michigan.
The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
Argh! I was specifically looking for F-scale ratings and Grazulis doesn't even record them. Figures. Oh well, thanks anyway! Departure– (talk) 21:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
Yeah, he doesn't start F-scale ratings until 1880. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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Satellite

Would you perchance have satellite imagery of storms over KS on May 18 that ended up producing that bunch of massive tornadoes? I don't know if the GOES-East website has an archive; if it has, I haven't found it. Need it for the infobox of Tornado outbreak of May 18–20, 2025. Thanks. :-) EF5 18:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I do not sadly. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:37, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Hm… I'll see if I can find one. Also, great NFF pick for the Somerset tornado; I myself was going to go with that image but you uploaded it before me. Weird how such-a-thin tornado can take so many lives. EF5 14:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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Re: Sources

Sounds like you’re making this - Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Project resources. Hope that saves you some time! Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Not quiet the same Hurricanehink mobile, but that will for sure same some time in getting the non-American government sources listed! This is basically WP:WX's version of WP:RSP. So some sources, like government ones from NHC or BOM, are obviously being marked as "generally reliable". But, it is also to highlight which sources have been discussed over the years and are "generally unreliable" or even deprecated sources (like Force 13). Anyway, feel free to add any of your reliability thoughts to the discussions! There are nearly a dozen source discussions that are already ongoing at the talk page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather/Sources. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:43, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
I didn’t know it was a page to determine the reliability of a source. I think that’s overkill. I would rather have a list of known unreliable sources, like Force13. I’d rather focus on getting more stuff written and having more sources than debating about reliability, sorry. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 22:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
I disagree; verifiable accuracy is one of Wikipedia's five pillars. What may take a few weeks will help editors later on. Why shouldn't our project strive to be the most accurate it can be? — EF5 22:18, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
That’s fair, only I don’t know if it’ll take a few weeks, and my concern/focus has always been more about writing and expanding, and not so much of a source debate. If two sources say the same thing, and one is unreliable, but the information is still correct, then it’s an easy fix finding a new source. That happens a lot, when someone on a blog might say something factual. Wikipedia rarely allows blog sources (expert blogs like Jeff Masters being an exception), but the info might still be valid. Still that’s just my thoughts, I’m not going to dissuade you now that you got the ball rolling. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Somerset

Just to let you know, I'm going to WP:IAR publish Draft:2025 Whittle-Somerset tornado today, all help wIll be appeciated. — EF5 14:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Has been published. ORES shows FA quality. 2025 London tornado — EF5 20:45, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

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Morton

I can't find the EF5 DI on the DAT, and north of Morton I see only EF2 indicators that verify observation by mobile radar and that (at least one) tornado's peak wind speed was only 41 m/s (92 mph) - did you see something there earlier? Departure– (talk) 21:28, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

They switched the "EF5" to "EF2" literally a few minutes after my addition on Wikipedia. That EF2 DI use to be EF5. If you have a X or BlueSky account, you can easily find the tons of screenshots of it. I'll be adding a screenshot of it to the Commons shortly. But hey! That's why the Cite DAT format was created...since the DAT is always changing! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:34, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
So, a Keota, Iowa EF4 situation? In that instance, an EF5 point was added in error, and errors aren't official ratings. That doesn't mean it doesn't belong on that list, though; it still could have been EF5-equivalent from data that hasn't been released yet. Departure– (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
p.s. I do have some good radar screenshots of the storm for that instance. Departure– (talk) 21:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hello, WeatherWriter. I wanted to ask for you help regarding a recent edit I made to the Wildfires article. I made this edit while I was unaware of SANDWICH. While I have fix the problem by re-adjusting the images, I think there is still a problem there with the images and was wondering if you had any advice. --Super Goku V (talk) 02:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I just took a look at the article, and I do not see any WP:MOS-type related issues. I will say the easiest way to fix any SANDWICH-type issues is to actually use the Multiple image template. It shrinks the images and captions a little, and it removed blank space between the images. It is used a lot in infoboxes (examples would be Tornadoes of 2024 or Joplin tornado), but it is also very useful in article mainspace. A big six-day flood event in 2022 had six-days of forecasts, which are all listed together in one multi-image template, shrinking what would be six individual images down to the size of 3-4 images in space. You can see it here: July–August 2022 United States floods#Meteorological synopsis. The key thing is to not have text sandwiched between images or tables, since it can really mess up viewers on mobile devices. If you are worried about it though, you can switch to using that template to cut down on space. Hopefully that helps! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:16, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
Gotcha and thank you very much. (To clarify, my edit above made the SANDWICH mistake while trying to adjust the right aligned images and I fixed it before responding here.) --Super Goku V (talk) 03:50, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

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Help with tornado article

Hey, I saw your comment on my talk page, and noticed you are good at writing weather related articles (especially tornadoes), and wondered if you wanted to help me with a new article I am working on. I'm new to Wikipedia and am not that good and writing articles, but I noticed that you have access to a lot of helpful information, and wanted to ask you if you could help out with my new article. Andromeda8362 (talk) 02:14, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Just chiming in, but I have a tornado-writing guide if you need help with formatting or any of the technical aspects. :) EF5 12:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
Hey Andromeda8362! I don't have a lot of time currently to fully assist with gathering/searching for sources or information, however, I can help do some generic format fixes for the article. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 13:14, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
I'm also free to help today (although I'm still planning on writing something else) so I'll be able to help with the prose itself and with adding some meat to the article. EF5 13:19, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

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Some advice: based on this AfD (which I didn't see coming) I'd suggest rethinking writing all of the articles on this topic until the AfD closes, and only if it closes as "kept". It'd be a huge waste of time to write all these drafts just for them to be deleted in a few days. EF5 12:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Nah, I’m continuing the drafts. I just dropped several sources in the AFD, including ones that go against the AFD. Myself and Fram have debated weather topics a lot before, including the deletion of all tornado list articles and such like that. This is no different than those debates. A very simple “2020”, “weather” and “politics” Google search would have ended the idea of an AFD before it happened, with nearly 500 quick sources coming up. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 12:57, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
I may just give up on the topic and all drafts entirely at this point. No matter the sources, people say there is no "influence". The TORNADO Act was not "influenced" by tornadoes. The state congressional investigation was not "influenced" by Isaias. The disruption of voting in Tennessee was not "influenced" by the Nashville tornado outbreak. Even Fram stated a state of emergency declaration from a hurricane is not "influenced" by the hurricane. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:24, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
@WeatherWriter: Here's a thought: Influence of weather on politics? EF5 00:39, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
I'm still going to continue with Draft:Influence of severe weather on American politics, but instead of by-year or by-severe-weather-disaster, it will be by political topic. For example, the "Investigations" section will include a level 3 header for "Congressional", "Federal", "State", ect... I'll have some lists in it as well. I analyzed the comments in the AFD and generically, there isn't any disagreement (besides from one editor) that a severe weather and politics article can exist. But, it can't be a WP:COATRACK of severe weather impacts. But, there are several topics that have plenty of sources, such as conspiracy theories started by politicians (Helene/Milton), wanting to blame someone for disasters (Katrina, Ian, Helene, ect...), Sharpiegate (Dorian), new laws over severe weather (TORNADO Act, ect...). Losts of political topics. So, I'm going to make one giant article (maybe 10,000+ words) that covered every type of way politics are influenced, with appropriate sourcing. I think that is the main issue. I made the article based on the weather events, but people stated multiple times: too much meteorology, not enough political reasoning. So, I'll just do it in the reverse. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 01:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Smithville question

Are you still trying to get the Smithville tornado's article to GA status? If not, I'll be glad to swoop in and make my own attempt. EF5 13:01, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

It is all yours if you want it! A P.S. source you might be interested when improving the article. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 13:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Also, saw your off-wiki query and I've started Draft:2023 Northern Italy storms. EF5 03:27, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

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What's the name of that Greensburg lawsuit/congress thing, again? I can't find much on it, but since the article is at FAC it should be included. — EF5 17:10, 14 August 2025 (UTC)

It is the Greensburg, Kansas, Recovery Extension Act. There is basically no information on it, since it was introduced into Congress on April 22, 2009, and then bounced around four different Congressional committees until May 21, 2009 (see "Action" here). It was never brought before the entire U.S. House of Representatives for a vote, so it "died in Committee" (as the dictionary calls it). At most, you could probably get a sentence or two in the article basically to say On April 22, 2009, Representative X introduced the Greensburg, Kansas, Recovery Extension Act to do Y, ect... The bill itself is stupidly short and was basically to give more funding for tornado recovery. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:22, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
I went ahead and added two sentences regarding the bill. Please edit it, move it, or remove it; whichever is best for the FAC. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:33, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
Looks perfect, thanks! EF5 12:10, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

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Regarding radar loop

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Erin_(2025)&oldid=1306271851

The radar loop you changed in this edit was a high quality radar loop, and also as a gif, so it automatically played.

You replaced it with a lossy WEBM which doesn't automatically play. Would it be alright with you if I revert it? GDJackAttack1 (talk) 23:16, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

You can. Also, you should upload a new one that removes the big word-blob mess in the bottom-left of the radar loop. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:34, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
The county names? Sure! Thank you for responding GDJackAttack1 (talk) 00:34, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi

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Hello! :) The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Ian

O hai, have mentioned our Talk:Hurricane Ian chat at WP:FTN#RFC on whether severe weather events should talk about climate change as underlying factor. Random luck that was the first article linked in your draft which I looked at. . . dave souza, talk 07:07, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Hey

Am I allowed to close the current move discussion on the 2021 Tri-State tornado because there has been no activity since August 18th. shane (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Move discussions are normally open for seven days and there is no real rush on it. Also, two of the editors you originally pinged for the move discussion have not left a comment yet. So, I would go ahead and give it the full seven days (until August 24) to let those editors comment if they wish too. I have a feeling no one is going to oppose the renaming of the article, but it is always good to be courteous. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:29, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
its august 24th, do i close it? shane (talk) 14:49, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
You can EditorShane3456! To learn about how to close the discussion, you can read Wikipedia:Closing discussions and some good advice on it can be found Wikipedia:Advice on closing discussions. This discussion is a unique one where no one opposes the requested move. So, this is a very easy discussion to assess and close! :D
You are new to editing, so here is some additional information you should probably know about. For almost every discussion, it is not recommended for "involved" editors to close the discussion. For example, any editor who commented in the discussion or the editor who proposed the discussion, should not be the one to close it, given there is the potential for bias. However, this specific requested move discussion falls under the main exception to that "almost" above. In discussions where there is no opposition (no one opposes it), and there is clear support for the proposed thing (at least 5 or more people), then we have the Snowball clause (WP:SNOW), which is "If an issue has a snowball's chance in hell of being accepted by a certain process, there's no need to run it through the entire process." The wording on that may seem confusing...But you can think of it as being used when no one opposes a requested move. In cases like this specific discussion, no one opposes it, so there is a very clear consensus to rename the page. Even if an involved editor (such as you or me) closes the discussion, there is no chance of bias, as there is no opposition.
Hopefully all of that helps! Right before closing the discussion, I would read over Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Closure procedure, since it explains what you need to do in order to "close" a discussion!
Like always, if you have any questions, feel free to message me and ask! Have a good day! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:49, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
At this time im waiting on the creator of the page and Randy to respond, i think i will close it once they respond shane (talk) 18:01, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

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Hey, I saw that you were a little surprised that a featured article was missing information. However, a lot of the tropical cyclone featured articles are more than a decade old, meaning that some sources weren't available or known when the article was written. You might've noticed that several FA's underwent an FARC because of missing information from journals or other reports, so it might be useful to link the congressional hearing on the talk page, rather than just adding a tag that info is missing. As a reminder, there's nothing in the FA criteria that says the article must have everything about a topic, just that "it neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context". Of course, hurricane aftermath sections are often missing bits of information here and there on storm recovery, so at some point it becomes an academic discussion of whether "major facts" are missing or not. That being said, sometimes an article being featured means that people don't want to work on it, but just because it's featured doesn't mean it can't be changed! Cheers and hope you're having a good Labor Day. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:13, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Oh I know that! That tag mostly came from me discovering the missing information while working on Draft:Influence of severe weather on American politics. I’ve discovered that very few of the weather Wikipedia articles actually mention the political impacts they caused. Heck, the 1928 United States presidential election (another article I tagged along with Hurricane Hazel) does not even mention the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, despite me finding several sources pointing towards the flood influencing the outcome of the election; which is why Draft:Influence of severe weather on American politics#1928 presidential election is a section.
I got a whole lot of work to do still for the article. Out of the whole article so far, only the political impacts from Hurricane Andrew and Hurricane Ian are complete. Hurricane Katrina is still missing so much information. I was actually just mentioning on the Wikipedia discord how there is at least two weather disasters in the 21st century, fully without Wikipedia articles, where the U.S. Congress launched a formal investigation into. The 2006 Rockford flood (notice there is no article) had 20 local residents testify before Congress regarding failures in the government’s response.
So it isn’t really shock on an FA missing information…but rather a shock on the large-scale information gap on weather-related articles. Just saying Hurricanehink, if you want to help out in any way…it would be greatly appreciated. Several hurricanes are missing their political-effects in their own articles…Hurricane Hazel is just one of several. If you are interested, but just don’t know which hurricanes, let me know and I can give you some hurricanes & sources to look into. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:36, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
I'm sure Hurricane Camille is going to turn up a lot! That's been my recent focus, combing through a ton of info. There were lots of federal responses to Camille, including strengthening FEMA, the NHC maintaining inland monitoring, and probably some other changes. As for the Rockford flood, I'm not even sure if it needs an article. Checking the NCDC report only says $20 million in damage, and no deaths, so I'm not even sure if it needs an article. Sometimes Congressional investigations take place to check out infrastructure failures, or to see what went wrong, and it seems like the failure to have a federal disaster declaration was one of the bigger issues here. Could be enough for an article, but it seems really minor compared to Katrina, Ian, Andrew, etc. Still, it might be able to support an article. I'm curious what the other weather event was that doesn't have an article but did have a formal investigation. You're right that a lot of storms and events are missing information though. But again, a lot of articles were written more than ten years ago, so the bigger surprise is that there are a few articles that are "done" (which have the political impacts thoroughly discussed) rather than how many articles need work. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:05, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
Oh yeah, Camille will have probably several mentions. Draft:Influence of severe weather on American politics#Hurricane Camille is already started with basic information regarding the Senate Special Subcommittee on Disaster Relief investigation.
The main sections of the article, so far, is Election Influence (i.e. influence on U.S. presidential elections, state elections, and local elections), Investigations (primarily U.S. Congress, although, a few other state/local-level investigations have occurred; such as the Texas Select Committees on Disaster Preparedness and Flooding for the July 2025 Central Texas floods), New legislation (federal and state legislation that was started (pass or failed) as a result of severe weather), Conspiracy theories and misinformation (given those have influenced politics since the 1940s in the U.S.), State of emergency declarations (planning to have a chart/list of every state of emergency declaration issued in the U.S. as a result of severe weather, since those give the federal or state government more authority, and finally Damage tours (political controversy over the years). I don't believe there is any other weather–politics-related topics besides those. So some topics, might be mentioned in multiple sections in the overall article.
To answer your question, it was the 2007 Dumas tornado; specifically regarding FEMA's response.
Hurricane Andrew was truly the only weather disaster with a complete / "done" political impacts summary prior to me starting this article. I completed Hurricane Ian and following a request from EF5, I finished off the last of the political impacts from the Greensburg tornado. But that is it. No other disaster (thus far) has a completed political impacts summary. Katrina's info is actually in three split articles (Political effects of Hurricane Katrina, Criticism of the government response to Hurricane Katrina, & the ultimate stub United States House Select Bipartisan Committee to Investigate the Preparation for and Response to Hurricane Katrina). Technically, National Weather Service bulletin for Hurricane Katrina also contains political impacts, as the U.S. Congress investigated the NWS/NHC following Katrina, and this bulletin was directly discussed.
This will be a very long, several-month (and hopefully dozens-of-editors)-long project. I'm trying to work backwards through time, so I am currently focusing on the impacts from Helene and Milton last year. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
Once I get a better handle on Camille, I'll share the political/governmental impacts that I find. A lot of the "bigger" storms still need a lot of work - Katrina, Ian, most recent landfalling major hurricanes, and a lot of older landfalling major hurricanes - but thankfully someone got around to finishing Andrew. And it does sound like the Dumas tornado outbreak might be article worthy, but someone will hopefully eventually get around to it. Sometimes I get invested in working on list-like articles, but I usually end up preferring single storms until either finishing them or moving onto something else that needs work. You're probably starting to realize just how much work needs to be done across Wikipedia, and it's too much for any one person to consider taking on themselves. That's why it's important to keep the community spirit strong. I had the idea for a monthly project newsletter for all of the weather project. Maybe part of that could have people nominating collaborations, for either drafts or existing articles that need work, since I'd hate for you to have to do the influence of severe weather article alone, but it's also the sort of thing I don't really want to work on. It's such a broad topic that has potentially another two centuries of severe weather to be added. I'm not going to dissuade you, as I think you're on the right track with the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:02, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
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