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t̕igʷicid! Thanks! I didn't cite anything on the information I wrote about the purpose of hibulb (Everett) since it's just oral tradition. If I find anything that verifies it I will cite that instead. What do you mean by 1:1 translation? hibulb (no uppercase) is the 1:1 translation of Everett in Lushootseed. bət̕igʷicid. PersusjCP (talk) 05:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221122052600","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20221122052600-SounderBruce-20221122040300","replies":["c-SounderBruce-20221123052100-PersusjCP-20221122052600"]}}-->

The infobox and first sentence of the lead should only include a translation/transliteration of the modern settlement name, not a past one. This is consistent with how mutlilingual cities are handled elsewhere. "dᶻəɬigʷəd" is listed in the dictionary as being 1:1 with Everett, while "bəc̓adᶻali" is listed in the dictionary as being 1:1 with a previous settlement, not the current city. SounderBruce 05:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221123052100","author":"SounderBruce","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SounderBruce-20221123052100-PersusjCP-20221122052600","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20221123053500-SounderBruce-20221123052100"],"displayName":"Sounder"}}-->

I see. For both of those, however, hibulb (and dᶻəɬigʷəd), bəc̓adᶻali, and any other place name are the words that we use to refer to those places in Lushootseed, regardless of if the original longhouses or other settlement buildings are still there. Not only that, but there is a continuity between modern settlement and past settlement, since not everyone moved to the reservations. Also, is there a more appropriate place to discuss this? t̕igʷicid PersusjCP (talk) 05:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221123053500","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20221123053500-SounderBruce-20221123052100","replies":["c-SounderBruce-20221123060100-PersusjCP-20221123053500"]}}-->

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Washington would be an appropriate venue (and you're welcome to join the WikiProject). Regardless of continuity, unless the original settlement was directly incorporated into the new city, it should be considered a separate entity. The difference between Mexico City and its predecessor Tenochtitlan is an example of this, with a much smaller gap in time. SounderBruce 06:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221123060100","author":"SounderBruce","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SounderBruce-20221123060100-PersusjCP-20221123053500","replies":["c-PK-WIKI-20231017192500-SounderBruce-20221123060100"],"displayName":"Sounder"}}-->

The recent discussion at Stanwood, Washington would seem to match the scenarios above; adding the Lushootseed word for a previous settlement that is completely unrelated to the article's settlement except by general geography. A word that is perhaps a translation of the current settlement in that language, but had nothing to do with the etymology or founding of the current settlement. I will bring a discussion to the talk page when I have more time. PK-WIKI (talk) 19:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231017192500","author":"PK-WIKI","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-PK-WIKI-20231017192500-SounderBruce-20221123060100","replies":[]}}-->

Just letting you know that I had to revert your additions to Arlington, Washington, due to the addition of uncited material. As it is a featured article, it has to adhere to stricter criteria than most articles. Please suggest changes on the talk page and I can go look around for appropriate citations. SounderBruce 01:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221229010400","author":"SounderBruce","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SounderBruce-20221229010400-Arlington,_Washington","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20221229042600-SounderBruce-20221229010400"],"displayName":"Sounder"}}-->

I posted my sources there PersusjCP (talk) 04:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221229042600","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20221229042600-SounderBruce-20221229010400","replies":[]}}-->

Per our discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America‎, I fixed the language situation at Mount Rainier. It was a perfect example of how not to incorporate non-English names into a Wikipedia article. First, the Lushootseed name is not commonly used. That alone precludes its use in the first sentence. Second, the Lushootseed name is definitely not the only Native name for the mountain, it's not even completely in Lushootseed traditional territory. The eastern slope is definitely not. Third, the infobox is not the place for a multitude of non-English names. I'm not going to change all of your recent edits in Wikipedia, but I urge you to fix them yourself. I fixed Mount Rainier because you made that edit after I had already pointed you to MOS:LEADLANG. TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 06:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230128061500","author":"TaivoLinguist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TaivoLinguist-20230128061500-MOS:LEADLANG","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20230128062000-TaivoLinguist-20230128061500"],"displayName":"TaivoLinguist (Taivo)"}}-->

The Lushootseed name is common. None of my recent efforts, except that, which was cleaning up an already monstrous opening line, have this problem. So I don't know what you're talking about. PersusjCP (talk) 06:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230128062000","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20230128062000-TaivoLinguist-20230128061500","replies":["c-TaivoLinguist-20230128062800-PersusjCP-20230128062000"]}}-->

Based on your comment on the Wikipedia languages page, I had assumed that you had included Lushootseed forms in the first sentence in other articles. I didn't check. My sincerest apologies if I was making an assumption that was false. I certainly want you to add Lushootseed forms where appropriate in the Names sections of other articles, especially, as in the case of Tahoma, where the Lushootseed appears to be the origin of the English "Tahoma". --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 06:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230128062800","author":"TaivoLinguist","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TaivoLinguist-20230128062800-PersusjCP-20230128062000","replies":[],"displayName":"TaivoLinguist (Taivo)"}}-->

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Your recent editing history at Stanwood, Washington shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. SounderBruce 18:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231017185100","author":"SounderBruce","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SounderBruce-20231017185100-October_2023","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20231017190400-SounderBruce-20231017185100"],"displayName":"Sounder"}}-->

Thanks for the reminder! Hopefully, I think the dispute is solved now, with the addition of the other source. I'll discuss further on the talk page if needed! PersusjCP (talk) 19:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231017190400","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20231017190400-SounderBruce-20231017185100","replies":[]}}-->

Your recent editing history at Everett, Washington shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
I see this is not your first warning today. I urge you to read WP:BRD and stop edit warring every time someone disagrees with you. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231017224300","author":"Magnolia677","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Magnolia677-20231017224300-October_2023","replies":[]}}-->

PersusjCP, thank you for changing the horrific Wikipedia you had previously posted regarding the KiKiallus Nation. There are several items of importance that I think need to be addressed to appropriately reflect past historical facts and current day realities. I am hoping that you are willing to look at some facts and documents which will hopefully help expand your knowledge of this very important group of people, their history, and their current day reality. Your assumption that the KiKiallus were absorbed by the Salish is incorrect, not true and easily proven if you look at even a small sampling of the available data such as court cases filed with standing at least once a decade since the 1950's. Additionally, there are references such as: Miller, Bruce G. “The Great Race of 1941: A Coast Salish Public Relations Coup.” The Pacific Northwest Quarterly, vol. 89, no. 3, 1998, pp. 127–35. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/40492401. Accessed 22 Oct. 2023.

In this particular article, there is discussion regarding the fact that the government tried to push 4 tribes into the Swimonish tribe described as "ETHNIC FUSION" and the biggest obstacle the Swimonish government had was trying to get the four different tribes with their own identities to to cease to identify with their tribal identity, especially when most of the members of these tribes lived off of the designated reservation. The reality of the situation is that the Swimonish struggled to legitimize a government due to the fact that the 4 tribes that the Swimonish attempted to strip the identities from still had their own governments, lived off of the reservation and were busy fighting for the US government to honor the Point Elliot Treaty which was the vehicle used to steal their lands, their prosperity, their culture and their way of life. Most of The KiKiallus did not leave their historical lands to go to the Swimonish reservation and told the colonial settlers that were migrating that they could amalgamate with them but the KiKiallus refused to leave their homes for the Swimonish reservation. The Swimonish, from the signing of the Point Elliot Treaty became an agent for Colonial interests.

The following is an excerpt from a newspaper article around 1934 documenting the oldest chiefs of Indian tribes in the Puget Sound assembled to witness the ceremony of the anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Point Elliott in 1855. Billie Edwards, 110, Chief of the Samish and believed to be the only remaining witness of the peace signing; Bob Edwards, 85, Samish sub-Chief; Bill Jake, 92, Kikiallus Tribe Chief; Joe Campbell, 80, Upper Skagit Tribe Chief; Charley Bloel, 92, Swinomish Chieftain; and Johnny Age, 90, Head of the Lower Skagits. The above Tribal leaders were active at this point and were not paying any heed to the Swimonish, nor were the other tribes of the state of Washington, the above tribes were still

The following is proof that even in common day history, the Swimonish are operating as an elitist entity looking to strip the identity from any group that is not operating under their flag. In November 2018, Samish received a letter from the BIA approving a fee-to-trust application for 6.7 acres of land at Campbell Lake, establishing the agency issued the requisite favorable Carcieri analysis that Samish was under federal jurisdiction in 1934, and eligible to take land into trust. The decision was immediately appealed by Swinomish Indian Tribal Community with the Interior Board of Indian Appeals. Are the Swimonish so power hungry that they refuse to allow their local community members the ability to maintain their actual cultural heritage as an autonomous sovereign people.

The KiKiallus were additionally listed by the Federal Governement in 1966 as one of the tribes known to the federal government in the Seattle area along with the Burns Paiute, Chinook, Cowlitz, Duwamish, Hoh, Jamestown Band, Kikiallus, Lower: Elwha Lower, Skagit, Nooksac, Ozette, Samish, San Juan, Sauk-Suiattle Shoalwater, Snohomish, Snoqualmie, Steilacoom, Stillaguamish, Upper Skagit. Help me out here, if the KiKiallus were really swallowed up by the Swimonish why are they still being mentioned in court cases, by the government and amongst other tribal nation's histories. The Samish were also told to take up residence on the reservation with the Swimonish and like the KiKiallus they did not leave. Why is it then that they are not being stripped of their identity and told they do not exist?

It is also represented by yourself on several different occasions that the KiKiallus were denied Federal Recognition. For the record the KiKiallus have never applied for Federal Recognition. The tribe made a very cognizent decision not to subrogate their soveriegnty to the Department of Interior and Federal Governemnt. I assume that you are aware that the act of gaining Federal Recognition is nothing more than the acknowlegement of Federal Sovereignty but places the tribe exactly where the USA governement want them, compliant, dependant, and subject to the statutory regulations of both the Department of INterior and most other Federal Agencies rules, procedures, and regulations. There is no question that the KiKiallus Nation is recognized by the USA governement and the State of Washington. When you fill out an application for high school or College, KiKiallus is listed as an actual race. The KiKiallus Nation work closely with many other federally recognized tribes and non-federally recognized tribes in North America and have in recent years signed treaties with indigenous nations that encompass more that 55 Million constituents. THe KiKiallus also have treaties with European Countries, South American Countries, Canadian First Nations, Soveriegn Courts and governments globally. THe KiKiallus Nation is alive and well and has not been consumed by the Swinomish Nation.

I assume you have read https://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2003-04/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Resolutions/8672.pdf which clearly demostrates that the State of Washington does NOT think they have been consumed by the Swinomish. Hopefully, this gives you a better idea of who the KiKiallus are and what they are not. I am assuming that you will take the time to update the listing for the KiKiallus so that it is accurate. Your old posting ended up causing us many headaches we did not need and you did not want. We are mature adults who simply want our identity maintained and your posts to be accurate regarding our culture and heritage. Let me know if you need any further information. KiKWiKi (talk) 12:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231022120400","author":"KiKWiKi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KiKWiKi-20231022120400-KiKiallus_People","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20231022182900-KiKWiKi-20231022120400"]}}-->

Let me address your points. Yes, what I wrote previously was unrepresentative of all Kikiallus people, that's why I changed it.

1. The KiKiallus Nation and the Kikiallus people are not the same topic. The article is about the Kikiallus people, not the Swinomish Tribe, not the KiKiallus Nation. Ethnic groups and governments get different articles. This remains true for tribal governments. The article for Tulalip Tribes shouldn't only be focused on the Snohomish because tribal citizens of Snohomish ancestry are not only enrolled in Tulalip, but other tribes as well, not to mention that the Tulalip Tribes aren't the only group claiming to represent the Snohomish people.
2. I don't believe the Kikiallus were absorbed by the Salish, a group from Montana, and nowhere in the article does it say that.
3. If you have a WP:NPOV source that states that "most Kikiallus did not move to the reservation" I would be glad to add that. I have only seen statements to the contrary.
4. Nowhere in the article does it state that the Kikiallus were swallowed up by the Swinomish and no longer exist. In fact, it says that the Kikiallus people ARE a Lushootseed-speaking Coast Salish people etc. It says that the Kikiallus are enrolled PRIMARILY in the Swinomish tribe and are GENERALLY recognized etc.
5. Washington does not have state-recognized tribes.
6. According to WP:COI if you are a representative of the KiKiallus Nation you must disclose that.

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Hello! Just curious how you made the Lushootseed template, I myself am Chickasaw and speak Chickasaw, but I'm unable to add it to my profile as there is no Chickasaw language template. If you could tell me how to create one, that'd be great! TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 16:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231026162100","author":"TheAwesomeAtom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheAwesomeAtom-20231026162100-Language_Template","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20231027191200-TheAwesomeAtom-20231026162100"]}}-->

Do you mean the babel template? It was kind of difficult to figure out, but here is the most basic setup:

For the level, you create a page titled "Template:User [ISO code (cic for Chickasaw)]-[Level]" So for example, if you wanted to create a box for a beginner speaker of Chickasaw, you would create a page called "Template:User cic-1"

For the actual code, you would put

{{userbox-level

| level = level of speech

| id = [[Wikipedia page for language|ISO code]]

| info = <span lang="ISO"> explanatory text on level of speech </span>

| usercategory = User ISO-level | nocat = {{{nocat|}}}

}}

<noinclude> {{documentation}}

For a beginner chickasaw box, you would put:

{{userbox-level

| level = 1

| id = [[Chickasaw language|cic]]

| info = <span lang="cic"> This user can speak Chickasaw at a basic level (but in Chickasaw. You can look at the babel template for what each level means) </span>

| usercategory = User cic-1 | nocat = {{{nocat|}}}

}}

<noinclude> {{documentation}}

For native speakers, you would leave the "| level = " blank instead of the number, and change the usercat to User cic-N.

Then just repeat this for all the levels you need. PersusjCP (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231027191200","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20231027191200-TheAwesomeAtom-20231026162100","replies":["c-TheAwesomeAtom-20231031161000-PersusjCP-20231027191200"]}}-->

Thanks, much appreciated! TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231031161000","author":"TheAwesomeAtom","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheAwesomeAtom-20231031161000-PersusjCP-20231027191200","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20231031171000-TheAwesomeAtom-20231031161000"]}}-->

No worries! PersusjCP (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231031171000","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20231031171000-TheAwesomeAtom-20231031161000","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello! I'm an editor who's learning Lushootseed and I want to improve the page. I had made several edits to the page (and I only found this page via your thanks of one of them) but I'm trying to get better citations and material.

I'm reaching out to you because I want to create a separate page for "Lushootseed Grammar", because I think the amount of information that's available needs another page. Do you have any ideas? You seem to know a lot about the language and I thought you might have a resource (or good opinion) I could use.

Thanks, Language Boi (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231211230700","author":"Language Boi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Language_Boi-20231211230700-Lushootseed","replies":["c-Language_Boi-20231211230900-Language_Boi-20231211230700","c-PersusjCP-20231212003400-Language_Boi-20231211230700"]}}-->

I'm putting some ideas for the new page on my sandbox. Language Boi (talk) 23:09, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231211230900","author":"Language Boi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Language_Boi-20231211230900-Language_Boi-20231211230700","replies":[]}}-->

ʔi čəxʷ siʔab! I appreciate your edits on Lushootseed. It's good to see more people interested in and learning the language! It definitely could use more coverage on Wikipedia. I think a page dedicated to Lushootseed grammar would be great! To be frank I'm not as much of a linguist as I am an anthropologist, and most of the linguistic knowledge I have about Lushootseed is from what I have learned over the years but since most of the Lushootseed article is about grammar, I definitely think there is enough material to work with. For sources, I recommend the Lushootseed Reader by Thom Hess, the various other Lushootseed books from Lushootseed Press, and Zalmai Zahir's PhD dissertation "Elements of Lushootseed Grammar in Discourse Perspective." "Braiding Language (by Computer): Lushootseed Grammar Engineering," also has some good info. There are also a few more good sources that I can't think of off the top of my head right now.

bədahədubš čəxʷ ʔə ti adsyayus. gʷəwiliq̓ʷicid čəd, čad kʷi adsčəwatil ʔə kʷi dxʷləšucid. pədtab kʷi adsʔil ʔə kʷi adsčəwatil. ʔah čəd saliʔəladxʷ ʔə kʷi dxʷləšucid PersusjCP (talk) 00:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231212003400","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20231212003400-Language_Boi-20231211230700","replies":["c-Language_Boi-20231212023000-PersusjCP-20231212003400"]}}-->

ʔi čəxʷ!

These all sound like great resources. I don't know as much Lushootseed as you seem to (although I can translate text with a dictionary), but I do have plenty of linguistics knowledge. I just wanted to make sure I didn't get anything wrong. Language Boi (talk) 02:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231212023000","author":"Language Boi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Language_Boi-20231212023000-PersusjCP-20231212003400","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20231212023600-Language_Boi-20231212023000"]}}-->

@Language Boi No worries, I was just saying that I was wondering if I could ask you how long you've been learning and where you have been learning, and that I've been learning for two years :) PersusjCP (talk) 02:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231212023600","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20231212023600-Language_Boi-20231212023000","replies":["c-Language_Boi-20231213210900-PersusjCP-20231212023600"]}}-->

I've been learning for maybe only 10 months, just off information I've found on the internet. I want to do some sort of class at some point though... Language Boi (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231213210900","author":"Language Boi","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Language_Boi-20231213210900-PersusjCP-20231212023600","replies":[]}}-->

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	Thank you for covering Lushootseed-speaking peoples and other Salish topics. Yuchitown (talk) 23:06, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240201230600","author":"Yuchitown","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yuchitown-20240201230600-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20240201235500-Yuchitown-20240201230600"]}}-->

t̕igʷicid!! Thank you!! My first barnstar! I look forward to working with WP:IPNA more in the future as well! PersusjCP (talk) 23:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240201235500","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240201235500-Yuchitown-20240201230600","replies":[]}}-->

Hey PersusjCP!

I've noticed your tough, and often unrewarded work, regarding WA state Indigenous history and language here at Wiki and I'm hoping/wondering if your skills and knowledge would be briefly helpful for me?!

I mainly focus on areas in Lewis County, Washington and while there is not a large amount of Indigenous names or places as compared to the rest of the state, do you know of any editor (maybe yourself?) or a trusted source/website that could help provide original Native American names, spellings, and translations for certain locations such as towns and cities, i.e Chehalis, Washington, in Lewis County? I've looked, but, dude...it's beyond my expertise!

You're busy with a full plate already but my thanks in advance if you can help and keep up the solid work!

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Hi! I'm not as knowledgeable about the southern parts of the state, and I'm not exactly sure which languages are/were spoken in Lewis County. I think Upper and maybe Lower Chehalis, and Cowlitz. Not sure if any others. Lower Chehalis doesn't have many resources, idk if even a proper modern dictionary exists. This paper might be a good starting point.

Upper Chehalis does have a dictionary: Kinkade, M. Dale. 1991. Upper Chehalis Dictionary. (University of Montana Occasional Papers in Linguistics, 7.) Missoula: Univerity of Montana. There seems to be a partial version of it online here, but I don't know of any online versions of it, though.

Cowlitz also has a dictionary, published by the Cowlitz Indian Tribe, and it's available online! It definitely has a good collection of place names which I've used time to time: Cowitz Dictionary. I think Cowlitz covers a lot/most of Lewis Cty so hopefully this should be helpful.

Speaking of this, I really have been meaning to compile a list of resources/dictionaries for various languages, since I often come across a dictionary and then forget about it later haha. Maybe this will be an impetus for actually doing this! :)

Please let me know if you have any other questions! PersusjCP (talk) 21:22, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240207212200","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240207212200-Shortiefourten-20240207162800","replies":["c-Shortiefourten-20240208204200-PersusjCP-20240207212200"]}}-->

Thank you so very much!

I barely speak American English goodly so it'll take me some time to figure out the languages...but truly, this is all a big help! I'll reach out before I do anything (it'll be a while!).

If you're ever in the Wiki neighborhood and have a free moment to help out with indigenous place names or anything else that strikes your interest...welcome!

In the meantime, awesome work, totally jealous, and looks like you and me both have the same, uh...concerned editor who in no way shape or form is suffering from WP:OWN or WP:VESTED or WP:HOUNDING!

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Of course! Thank you! And I understand, when I first started out I felt kinda overwhelmed and unwelcome, and I almost never kept editing a few times, but I've stuck with it so far (even if it can be kind of frustrating at times). But alas, Wikipedia needs editors, especially those who contribute new information, and its awesome that you are working on Lewis County topics. It's an area of the state that often gets forgotten about in favor of the more metropolitan Puget Sound region, I fear. I've always found myself wanting to know more about the more southern areas of the state. PersusjCP (talk) 21:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240208215500","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240208215500-Shortiefourten-20240208204200","replies":[]}}-->

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Great, thanks! PersusjCP (talk) 19:31, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240223193100","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240223193100-Doomsdayer520-20240223180800","replies":[]}}-->

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@Pbritti I'll give it a look tomorrow! Already I notice a Lushootseed word that is in an outdated orthography. Thanks!! PersusjCP (talk) 05:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403053400","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240403053400-Pbritti-20240403041700","replies":["c-Pbritti-20240403104100-PersusjCP-20240403053400"]}}-->

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Hey PersusjCP!

Been awhile! I recently updated the Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually National Wildlife Refuge. I'm born, raised, living from the area and wanted to do so for some time but - could I be unbiased?...and is my non-Nisqually rear suited to do so? Decided to get over that!

I was dissapointed, to say the least, that little of Nisqually history, or the tribe's efforts, and Billy, were not included on the page. I hope I did it justice, but could you - when you have a moment - check my work and make sure I did it proud?

Know your busy, but would greatly appreciate it. Glad to see you chugging along, doing the unheralded work you are!

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Great job! Thank you! I gave it a look and offered some minor changes :) PersusjCP (talk) 00:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240424003800","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240424003800-Shortiefourten-20240423225600","replies":["c-Shortiefourten-20240424173900-PersusjCP-20240424003800"]}}-->

And spot on, too! Trust in PersusjCP, I always say. Thanks for the accolades and right back at you.

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Hey girl, just wanted to let you know that I am reviewing the GA nomination of Bothell, Washington. I know you had some conflict with the nominator and I wanted to invite you to participate in the review process if you so wish. MagentaCat1 (talk) 22:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240805220900","author":"MagentaCat1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MagentaCat1-20240805220900-GA_nomination_for_Bothell,_Washington","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20240805223800-MagentaCat1-20240805220900"]}}-->

Appreciate it! I think the dispute has pretty much been resolved, and imo the article is good as it stands, but I might pop in to make one or two comments :) PersusjCP (talk) 22:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240805223800","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240805223800-MagentaCat1-20240805220900","replies":["c-MagentaCat1-20240805224300-PersusjCP-20240805223800"]}}-->

Slay, I think your skills could potentially be useful regarding my first note about the readability of a Lushootseed word <3

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Thanks for all your work on the Pacific Northwest! I saw that Classification of the Indigenous peoples of the Americas#Pacific Northwest coast needing an overhaul, but don't know enough about those nations to organize things better. I also came across Sts'ailes people and Sts'ailes Nation and am not sure if the former should be merged into either Upper Chehalis or Lower Chehalis. Cheers, Yuchitown (talk) 23:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240919233100","author":"Yuchitown","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yuchitown-20240919233100-Sts'ailes_\/_Chehalis","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20240920001200-Yuchitown-20240919233100"]}}-->

Appreciate it! I'll give that page a look. I've slowed down recently since Wikipedia can be frustrating but I think about keeping editing a lot. The Sts'ailes in BC are only distantly related to the the two Chehalises in Washington state. The Chehalises in Washington come from the Chehalis River, which in turn was named after a single village at the mouth (I can't remember the exact spelling in Lower Chehalis atm), and then was applied to the two groups indiscriminately. The Sts'ailes are a Halkomelem speaking group, but they were known as Chehalis prior to 2011 before the Chehalis Nation renamed itself to Sts'ailes. As far as I am aware, they are distinct nations, other than both being Coast Salish (in which case the Chehalis are Tsamosan branch which sometimes aren't even classified by anthropologists as Coast Salishan... *eyeroll*). So I would keep them separate, but there really should be a hatnote on both pages. Thanks for pointing it out! Appreciate your work here and with WP IPNA :) PersusjCP (talk) 00:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920001200","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240920001200-Yuchitown-20240919233100","replies":["c-PersusjCP-20240920003800-PersusjCP-20240920001200"]}}-->

Wow Yeah that page should be cleaned up. "Northwest Coast" is such a broad classification that includes so many peoples it is difficult to do right away, but I'll keep it on my radar. PersusjCP (talk) 00:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920003800","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20240920003800-PersusjCP-20240920001200","replies":["c-Yuchitown-20240920003900-PersusjCP-20240920003800"]}}-->

Thanks for that clarification! Glad I didn't try to edit those. I swear I'll read up on that region someday! No hurries on anything and wikibreaks definitely seem like a good idea. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge here! Yuchitown (talk) 00:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920003900","author":"Yuchitown","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Yuchitown-20240920003900-PersusjCP-20240920003800","replies":[]}}-->

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Hey PersusjCP!

Been awhile and you're still rockin' it! Wondering if you can do me a favor (I already owe you but cash that marker any time!)...

I've expanded the Etymology subsection at the Chehalis, Washington article to include the Salish/Chehalis peoples words/pronunciations of "Chehalis". I copied the indigenous words as is from the source article...but does it need something more, such as italics or pronunciation marks? Keep in mind, none of that exists in the ref so I'm not sure if that's going too far, i.e. WP:OR.

Since language ain't my thing, even in American English, whadd'ya think? I tried using the Lower Chehalis morphosyntax guide you were kind enough to link to months ago...but its calculus mixed with trying to understand my husbands' love of baseball mixed with why anyone would eat Lima beans. Impossible!

My thanks if you can take a look and as always, big fan and keep up the effort!

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Happy to help :) I've been working on rewriting Upper and Lower Chehalis. Check out these: Upper Chehalis and especially the "name" section at Lower Chehalis articles. Should have sources for it all! PersusjCP (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029194500","author":"PersusjCP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PersusjCP-20241029194500-Shortiefourten-20241029184800","replies":[]}}-->

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