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I don't have the time or energy to create any new articles, so I won't be getting to him. If it were a stub of an NBL or NBA player I wouldn't mind, but throwing together anything more I can't for now. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I see where you created the Category "Hampden-Sydney Tigers men's basketball coaches." Could you please put it up for renaming to "Hampden-Sydney Tigers basketball coaches?" It is a single-sex college. Same with "Hampden-Sydney men's basketba;;." Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 21:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I was doing my 2000 point tracker updates this morning and saw that Thornton of William & Mary has about 1800 points - he's likely to hit 2k. I know you have limited your editing but wanted to highlight this in case you wanted to create that article. It'll be a redlink in the season notes otherwise (which is fine, my guess is he will play professionally in Europe so he'll be created at some point). Hope the job is going well. Rikster2 (talk) 15:16, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, yeah the job is great but it's much more demanding than my previous one (I spent literally 80%+ of my work day on Wikipedia at my previous job. It was both awesome and terrible simultaneously). I will try to tackle Thornton asap, because he's the runaway frontrunner for the CAA POY (which would be W&M's first ever in the CAA), plus he's poised to become the school's all-time leading scorer and is a shoe-in for a top league European career. I've read mutterings in national publications of him being a dark horse candidate to sign with an NBA team via summer league, but I'll believe that when I see it. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:25, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah I better get on that article soon. There are a few regular W&M Wikipedia editors now but I know I would still make the best article. He's most likely the CAA POY also, so even more incentive to get it made. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:23, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I have posted a question on the WP:CFB page about this but I trust your opinion as a regular CFB editor, so I decided to come to the horse's mouth? What do you think of these edits? [1][2][3] Thanks,-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Me neither, I just ran into an editor (and it's/or an IP) that in these links was adamant that Stanford and Rutgers weren't national champions in 1940 and 1869 respectively, and called it "the best source for college football." I didn't think it was a RS, and especially it's lack of significant content compared to the CFBDW or anything NCAA related. Thanks-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
We would like to get your opinion
Jrcla, I'd like to get your opinion on this revised infobox template for college football players: [4]. After determining what data points to include, we'll recruit a template editor to handle the coding for us. Once we determine what fields we're adding and what we're deleting, then we'll work on the modified graphics. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1: Hi DL, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I've only been able to really afford attention to quick articles and cleanup miscellany as of late. Did this situation with the editor get resolved? Jrcla2 (talk) 14:17, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Jrcla, he has stopped making the mass changes, and to his credit, has now checked in on the WP:CFB talk page. (I now need to respond.) There were multiple substantive problems and formatting/MOS issues with his changes, but there is some merit in reviewing how we present national championships and perhaps conference championships, too) across primary team articles, athletic program articles, and conference articles. I know that's not a simple review. If you've got a few minutes today, take a look at some of the changes that were being made, ignore the obvious MOS/formatting problems and the deletion of sourced content, and see if you believe there are any salvageable ideas. Let me know what you think. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:25, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
In light of the above, should a list only Wikipedia page be created. No problem if the answer is yes.
Thanks!!!
Yes, that would be ideal. Lists like that bog down the main article pages because it's extraneous info that can be split. (Unrelated, but please try to remember to add your signature with four tildes ~~~~). Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:35, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
It was a pleasure to edit Dale Morey, and thank you for the pat on the back! The more I read, the more I was impressed with what he accomplished in his amateur golf career. That guy was a truly fantastic golfer. His longevity was amazing, too.
As I read the article over and over, I was saying to myself "this article needs some color". And by that I mean adding "the meat" as you described it. I felt by adding some more detailed information about his close call in the 1953 U.S. Amateur was helpful in doing just that. I also added his nine career hole-in-ones which is an accomplishment worthy of mention in and of itself. I am sure the Morey family will forever be proud of what Dale accomplished as a golfer, and understandably so.--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 07:03, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
His golf career is certainly impressive. Even as a non-golf guy, I can appreciate the accomplishments he had on the links. And to think, his article only got started because he played briefly in the United States' National Basketball League, a sport he was far less known for. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Jrcla, please take a look at these threads: [5] and [6]. I am not opposed to change, but I don't believe this is the proper way to implement changes in contravention of well-established practice. Your feedback on the relevant talk pages is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:11, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I was prepping the Theresa Andrews article for GA review at the time, and Annapolis and Baltimore are a big part of her personal story. I know I had a Baltimore-related question, but now I cannot recall specifically what it was. Did you grow up in Virginia? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Pretty sure LaDontae Henton of Providence went over the 2000 point/1000 rebound marks in their win over Seton Hall tonight. Rikster2 (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
AA team came out today. I know you probably won't be able to take care of it, but I won't be able to either. USBWA comes out Wednesday. Rikster2 (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I saw this edit and was wondering what you thought about the creation of this article? Does it need to be created right now, or can it be a redirect until a later date? I honestly don't think it should be up yet because 1) it is unsourced and 2) the tournaments just ended and the 2014–15 NCAA season is still going on. Just thought I'd ask you before I do anything to it. Corkythehornetfan | Chat?04:22, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
The Big 12 article needs to be redirected (aside from the fact that the title name is completely wrong). Jrcla2 (talk) 13:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Not particularly, only that it's going on. If my input is requested I'll chime in, but I've been trying to wean off conversations I'm not especially interested in. I realized that it makes me like editing Wikipedia less, know what I mean? With my (fairly new) job, I don't have much daytime editing available, so I've really got to stick to editing that makes me happy so I don't burn out. That being said, I'd be glad to look this one over if you feel I should put forth my two pennies. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Conference basketball season pages
Hey, I saw you have been actively editing a college basketball conference season page, so please see this discussion here so we can get a consensus of editors. While this discussion is specifically on the SEC page, it concerns all conferences' pages. Jhn31 (talk) 22:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
What part of He later became CEO of CDW invalidates the chief executive category? Oh yeah, that MUST mean he should be categorized as a volleyball player? Or is it nurse? Postcard Cathy (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
How about you actually READ the article instead of HotCat'ing everything. JASON Richards was the player for Davidson who's an assistant coach. TOM Richards is Jason's father who later became a CEO. Oh yeah, the category does not apply to Jason. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:59, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey, we're going to have our work cut out for us on this guy! He knows not to mess with the {{CollegePrimaryStyle}} template because I've told him (here) and he said he wouldn't mess with the templates (here) but, yet, he still wants to change it. I'm not sure if you've monitored his talk page or not so that is why I'm telling you this (if you even care!). I'm still not sure if I should give him the link to the link to the Module page, as I think he'll do a whole lot of changing to it (colors wise) like switching colors around that shouldn't be switched, etc. If you think I should, I'll go ahead and give it to him, but for now I've told him to just use the talk pages to mention the color change and someone will change it. Thoughts?
P.S. yes, I know I was doing what he did at one point (a pain in the rear!) and still am (updating colors), but I don't think I was as bad as he is. At least I understand it now! I'm still not sure as to why we can't use one color for the title section and one for the group as I think it looks better, but I do know some don't work per contrast issues. But hey, it's whatever! Corky | Chat?01:49, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
@Corkythehornetfan: I'm with you on this. I don't think he's proven himself responsible and trustworthy enough (not by a long shot, even by the most liberal of imaginations) to start messing with modules. I have literally every single Division I men's basketball team navbox on my watchlist and will catch any disruptive editing he may do to them. If he continues to deliberately remove CollegePrimaryStyle, we will have to take him to a Noticeboard. Jrcla2 (talk) 06:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Okay, sounds good! I know he edits sometimes while logged out, which he has been warned about, too. I do think that there will be a point where the Noticeboard will be needed, as I don't think he is going to listen to us. Corky | Chat?15:11, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
False Accusations From April 2014
Hey, it's Mugurple. Occasionally I help with the editing of the Kentucky Basketball wikipedia pages, and last year you said I was a IP address that repeatedly kept re-adding the Kentucky depth chart after you took it down because of validity reasons. I was insistent that it wasn't me (mostly because it wasn't me) and would be willing show you any proof that it wasn't. You then were more insistent that it was me (even though you had no proof yourself) and said you would open up an SPI case (I don't know what that is) to prove it was me.
Anyway, it still bugs me because you never got back to me on that. I stand my word in saying that I was not the one who kept making those edits.
To conclude, is there any reason you never got back to me on that? Oh and if you don't remember (which is fine because it was a year ago), our discussion is probably in your archives from 2014. Mugurple 18:20 30 March, 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugurple (talk • contribs) 22:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey
Hey, JR. How would you feel if I requested that the hidden team link in the first section header of Infobox basketball biography be removed? The hidden "current team" link in the header creates at least two problems under the MOS: (1) per MOS:LINK, section header elements are not supposed to be linked; (2) links are not supposed to be hidden, and the text and background colors of links are supposed to be visually distinguished from the colors of the unlinked surrounding text. It's also redundant with the current team link in the "career history" section. What's your reaction? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me. I doubt many people get to those teams via the team link at the top of the infobox...most probably go to current team or the team history. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, it's tough to use a link when you can't even see that it's present in the section header. Of course, the current team should be prominently linked in the first sentence of the article for all current players, as well as listed under the "career history" section of the infobox. At least one other editor seems to believe that the current team should be linked on its first occurrence, regardless of whether the first occurrence is in a section header of the infobox or not. I find no support for that proposition in the MOS, and several provisions that suggest otherwise. When I get a little extra time later today, I will request this edit at the template talk page and notify the basketball WikiProjects. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:49, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I really like it. The one thing I don't like is the fact that Joe Cool's most recent college he played for is listed above the older college he played for. In all basketball infoboxes, order descends chronologically from oldest to most recent, and I think that makes the most sense. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:39, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Aw, you're just mad because Joe Cool turned down the Tribe's offer to play in LA! LOL Chronological order (or reverse) is TBD at the mini-RfC to be called on the template talk page in a couple of weeks. The football infobox honors were traditionally supposed to be listed in reverse chronlogical order, but in actual practice they're about half and half. I can go either way, but sometimes reverse order does make more sense because it usually puts the most important honors at the top. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I would agree with Jrcla that the colleges should be in chronological order. Frankly, it would make more sense for the honors to be in order of relative importance (eg - Heisman, then All-American, then all-conference for example) than in any sort of chronilogical order, at least in my mind. Rikster2 (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I am not opposed to a hierarchy based on importance, Rik. If I get you some representative example sets of championships and honors, would you be willing to play with them to establish a hierarchy with rules? We have two weeks or so before we need to hold an RfC to give all of the WP:CFB members their say-so. That would be the perfect time to established the pecking order. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:05, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
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Are you still contributing to the W&M alumni article? I see that you haven't made any edits very recently, but there is a new contributor who is really adding a LOT of people very recently. My own take on it is that he or she is adding basically a list of everyone who has ever graduated and held a job doing anything. That's a bit overstated, but he or she is really stretching the limits of notability. He or she is also failing to follow the formatting of info that has been used very consistently for a few years. For example, he or she insists on capitalizing every word (e.g., "Musician, Producer of Eight Songs by Michael Bolton") and things like that. Thoughts?ProfReader (talk) 19:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Also, he or she is screwing up the formatting of whole sections with his edits and is not paying attention to divisions in the list at all. For example, he or she has listed a bunch of people in the "Federal - House of Representatives" based on their membership in some state's statehouse.ProfReader (talk) 20:30, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I haven't contributed to that much in a long time, but I agree with your concerns over his editing. Have you reached out to him? Jrcla2 (talk) 21:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I started taking out names that aren't blue links per WP:LISTN. If someone is notable, an article should be written about them and then properly cite their relationship to W&M as an alumna/us (the exception being the Fictional People section). Jrcla2 (talk) 21:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I just added a longish comment to the person's personal page. I gather he or she must be new to Wikipedia since there are no other comments at all there. I appreciate his or her enthusiasm, and I hope this doesn't become a re-edit war. But, I agree with you 100% about the basic standards for notability. I know that not every single person on the list has his or her own page, but that is a mighty good rule of thumb. And, if someone is posting additions where 90% or more don't meet that threshold, something is probably wrong.ProfReader (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Could you help with the Temple basketball team article ?
Hi, Jrcla2! I appreciate your help with editing Temple University basketball team articles in the past. I created this latest one 2015–16_Temple_Owls_men's_basketball_team, so if you want to help, it need information on last season and the recent player departures. Thanks in advance.
What do you think of this? I don't know if you've seen this yet, but I wanted to know your opinion. I personally don't think the page is necessary. Corkythehornetfan17:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, that Ole Miss article (and all other football or basketball articles like it) need to be nominated for deletion as well. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:01, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
That would probably be rather controversial. A relative newbie (Jhn31) created a raft of these CFB statistical leaders articles last year. At the time, I objected on the WP:CFB talk page, citing NOTSTATS and GNG, believing that we were pushing the margins on what should be included. I was effectively over-ruled by several CFB regulars who thought such stats were inherently notable. Of course, most of these lists have virtually no supporting text. The best way to test this would be to nominate two of the stats lists from the least noteworthy programs, and let the chips fall where they may at AfD. There are AfD several precedents where similar NFL stats lists were whacked in the past. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Ping me whenever you're ready. I feel like I've been the WP:CFB hard-ass holding the line on notability/suitability, at times dragging everyone else along for the ride. I can't play lead on this one, but I am good for an !vote. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Since you have not edited any articles that I know of relating to the National Basketball League of Canada, I'm not expecting you to join. However, as an experienced editor in basketball articles, you would be a huge asset to this small and new WikiProject. You don't need to create or edit articles on this topic on a daily basis. TempleM (talk) 23:55, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
DragoLink08 again?
I think, yes, but I've only briefly looked. See what you think about his non-college-sports edits.
(talk page stalker) I've been having troubles with this user. They've been using outdated sources when changing the colors. I've warned them several times because they only look at the university websites (or go off the conference branding guide) and change the colors without even checking to see if the Athletics Dept. has their own brand manual. (Obviously you'll see in their contributions.) I don't know anything about Drago as I never dealt with them, but looking at their investigations, I would agree with JohnInDC. Corkythehornetfan02:26, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
At least with regard to the articles I have watch-listed, he hasn't been obnoxious in changing colors to his preferred shades, but has been enforcing the existing global college colors schemes. BTW, both of you do have Frietjes' college colors modules watch-listed, right? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough
No sinister deeds were intended when I added the losing streaks in the navboxes.
I only added them because (for better or worse) they're part of each team's history due to their place in league history.
But I understand your point - everything is easier when it's all connected.
Eddy, I appreciate the thought. I know, however, that I am not admin material. I am too hot-headed for the role, plus back in October 2014 I got a new job that has severely limited my time on this website (my previous job was so easy that I could spend literally 85% of my day on Wikipedia). I will pass, but thank you. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I would support as well. I've never seen you do anything unforgivable in RfA terms. Ever. The basketball and sports projects could use another good shepherd. Even part time -- heck, you edit more now than most so-called "active" administrators. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
You WOULD pass -- if you ran! I have never seen you be particularly hotheaded, ant Im sure you would be fine. Even though you're not as active. As before, you're still active enough. ~EDDY(talk/contribs)~ 11:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
You guys are very kind, and I appreciate the support. Honestly I would support both of you as well if you were nominated (DL, I know I !voted neutral at your first bid, but I've since changed my stance and am a full-on support for you at this point, if the process should occur again). Jrcla2 (talk) 00:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
I first want to say thank you for your contributions as an administrator. I have a question: Do you know how to put a placeholder, such that the question mark in the infobox is not present? I'd like there to be a blank next to Rutgers University. This applies to the article Nadine Domond.
Robert4565 (talk) 14:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm not an admin, but thank you. I cleaned up your article a bit to standardize it with all other basketball players' infoboxes. I'm not sure of Domond's tenure as Rutgers' assistant coach, but her years should not be blank. If nothing else, they should have what is shown now (20??–20??) until further information can be verified. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
1949 Delta Bowl
Hi Jrcla2,
I have a question about the article 1949 Delta Bowl that you created as a redirect and now exists as its own article thanks to @Wikidude10000:. The article only has 1 reference (this one), but nowhere in that reference (at least that I can find) does it mention "Delta Bowl" or even the year 1949. It seems to be about something called the "1945 Cotton Bowl Classic." I don't know anything at all about this subject, so I was wondering, do you to know if this is the correct reference or if there is anything else that can supplement this one? I've asked the article's author as well but I thought you might know something about it too. If you don't know anything about this, don't worry about it. I just want to make sure the article has at least 1 reliable source.
Jrcla, you may want to take a look at this requested move: [7]. It involves the application of our naming conventions to the Division III sports program at Washington University in St. Louis. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It appears the comments by you, EJ and Jweiss have put the discussion on the correct path. It's one of the odd exceptions from the general rule. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to get dates for 1916 Missouri All-American Fred Williams. I was able to find this snippet for date of death but haven't been able to find a DOB. I'd like to create the article, but it requires a DAB. Thanks for any help you can give. Rikster2 (talk) 19:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Just saw this [8], and started to correct the formatting . . . Then I asked: are we even including college all-conference honors under the current consensus for basketball infobox honors? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I apologize for my mistakes, I'll keep a better eye on things. What types of things do I need to fix for the future; can you please share a check list, want to present best possible articles. (Basketballfan12 (talk) 20:51, 5 October 2015 (UTC)).
I don't understand why some people care so much about splitting links and making pages hard to navigate in a sea of blue. Ugh. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:24, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Logo unveiling doesn't mean anything. It is far too premature to be creating articles about end-of-season events for the 2016–17 season, per WP:TOOSOON, as it does not pass WP:GNG regardless. The wide-ranging consensus among all college sports' WikiProjects (football, basketball, and baseball) is that no future season articles should be created more than a year in advance, and that's only on a case-by-case basis. You are an IP who has been warned/blocked in the past (using different IPs and usernames) about your creations of premature sports articles. I would advise against continuing this pattern as it may result in longer-term blocks. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Jrcla2: I blocked as a WP:DUCK. I only noticed afterwards that you had mark the user page of User:68.102.61.195 as such a week ago. Not sure if you were expecting some action from it, as I don't believe it triggers anything, or you were doing it for your own tracking purposes. Filing an SPI or notifying an admin is about the only way to get attention. As the sockmaster User:Big Towel was already indef blocked, any IP would be blocked for WP:EVASION if you can prove it, unless you were trying to cut them a WP:CLEANSTART or sorts.—Bagumba (talk) 04:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
It was for tracking purposes pretty much, I understand that it doesn't trigger anything. I was too lazy to file a report. Thank you for blocking him. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Right, my reverts were not because I don't believe you or that I think they're not rivals, but the criterion for rivalry inclusion on any college basketball or football team navbox is that there must be a separate article specifically about that rivalry. It prevents link spam from any ol' editor going in and flippantly adding a link to a school they perceive to be a rival, and it also helps keep readers focused on the primary topics of that team. A link to St. Bonaventure University is not helpful in understanding the men's basketball rivalry with Niagara, for instance. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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