I notice you have a page on this book: Historical Geography of Palestine, Transjordan and Southern Syria in the Late 16th Century. Someone removed the maps from my copy of this book, and I was wondering if you have an image of the map somewhere. I am interested in creating my own map of the data in this book, and it seems like the Statistics section omits some information that may be on the map (specifically the cities). This would be a great help.
If you create an account, add an email address in the profile, and send me mail I will send you the map. Neither Huldra nor I can upload the map because of the copyright restrictions. Zerotalk12:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is as Zero0000 says; I cannot upload the maps to wikipedia (due to copyright), but I can share with you, if you have an email-address, Huldra (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure why, but the book omits all the cities in Palestine at the time. Luckily I have found another book which discusses their population: Population and Revenue in the Towns of Palestine in the Sixteenth Century by Bernard Lewis and Amhon Cohen.
Do you have a formula you use to convert the grid coordinates in HA to longitude/latitude? I'm sure I could probably figure it out with QGIS, but I want to be as accurate as possible. Also, do you know what's up with those 900+ Y-coordinates in Nahiya Sawbak (page 173)? Last question - did the Ottomans not collect taxes in the Negev? The book never discusses this. The Gaza area is strange too - even Khan Younis doesn't appear in the list, despite being north of Rafah, which does. 47.14.104.130 (talk) 03:31, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See my talk page for an online source that does conversions. Note that coordinates in the far north might be in the Levant Grid rather than the Palestine Grid. I agree the Khan Yunis is not present. Maybe it wasn't populated then except for the khan. Another detailed source (Cohen&Lewis, Population and Revenue in the Towns of Palestine in the Sixteenth Century) only lists taxes collected at a checkpoint at the khan. Zerotalk05:40, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I've made a spreadsheet of the coordinates and population in the book, if you're interested. I am not able to type in Arabic quickly, so I have yet to add the place names. I also incorporated information from the Cohen and Lewis book.
Thanks, I don't read (or speak) Arabic, (or Hebrew), so English names is fine. Also, a list whit what each column (A, B, C, etc) stand for would be nice. I am still working on the HA, but there are so many things which distract me, unfortunately, Huldra (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the column names. I'd rather not add the English versions of the Arabic names, because the transliterations in the book use an outdated system, which is different from the one recommended by Wikipedia's Arabic style guide. Since HA's transliteration relies on diacritics, just typing out the English letters will result in a loss of information, e.g. the distinction between د and ض. Furthermore we don't really know how these names were pronounced other than the ones with corroborating evidence. 47.14.104.130 (talk) 21:00, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that you have to multiply the grid coordinates by 1000, e.g. 212 to 212000.
I tried looking through your page and correcting all the typos, but it's possible that I missed some. I did not fix the typos in column 11 (households + bachelors added together) because the correct value can be calculated from the other columns anyway.
I wrote a script to copy all the Romanized place names from your page and put them in the sheet. There are a few errors since the script wasn't perfect, but not many. It helps with identification but I would prefer to eventually type the arabic out. 47.14.104.130 (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@טבעת-זרם: Two edits made consecutively with no intervening edits by another editor count as a single edit for the purpose of rules like 1RR. So this is not an 1RR violation. Zerotalk02:17, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What Zero said is correct, so User:טבעת-זרם: please learn the rules, beforere you accuse editors of breaking them. As for any alleged problems brought back: please address that on the talk-page of the article, Huldra (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
