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Peer review
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I have listed this article for peer review because I have been discussing ways we can get this character's article to featured article status in Talk:Rei Ayanami#Proposals for formatting to WP:FAC standards. @Tintor2: and I discussed some ways we could approach formatting the article to featured article status. I know @TeenAngels1234: worked on this article and nominated it for good article status in Talk:Rei Ayanami/GA1, but I was wondering if anyone else who is familiar with WP:FAC guidelines other than me and Tintor2 are willing to provide input for working on getting it to FA status.
In the talk page, I proposed we could do the following.
- Move the Characterization and themes section to Conception section as a subsection.
- Replace or remove Valnet sources per WP:VALNET.
- Add OCLC numbers.
- Translate titles that are not in English into English. I proposed dividing the translation work with someone else, where I could focus on the Japanese and Chinese sources, and another person could work on the French and Italian sources. I am thinking about asking people in the French and Italian Wikipedias if they are willing to help.
- I reviewed the images, but I am apprehensive about the license status of File:Aonami-line-ayanami-2020-2-1.jpg. It is licensed as CC BY-SA 4.0, but the train has a picture of the character as she appears in Rebuild of Evangelion, and I am not sure if it is acceptable for a potential FAC.
If I initiate an FAC, I plan to get consent from TeenAngels1234.
Thank you, Z. Patterson (talk) 23:50, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not exactly sure about moving Characterization and themes into Conception. Regarding Valnet, I agree: while I situationally use them usually for GA-status articles, maybe for FA we can remove them. I can help with translating Italian and French titles: I'm a native Italian speaker and while not an expert I'm pretty fluent in Spanish and French. Last but not least, we can remove the train image: feel free to remove it if that is the case. TeenAngels1234 (talk) 19:19, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234: I created a list of tasks to do in Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do. This will take us several days to do, but I think we can achieve it. Z. Patterson (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- As we go through the sources and translate the non-English names to English, I am wondering if general audiences will read this without problems and not get confused before we potentially have an FAC. Z. Patterson (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234 and Tintor2: I submitted a request for a copy edit at Special:Diff/1299191307 in Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. I also began to work on translating the titles of Japanese sources, and I plan to also translate titles of Chinese sources when they start to appear in the article. Z. Patterson (talk) 00:41, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234 and Tintor2: I think I translated the titles of the Japanese- and Chinese-language citations. I also corrected some other citations. Z. Patterson (talk) 03:14, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234 and Tintor2: I submitted a request for a copy edit at Special:Diff/1299191307 in Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. I also began to work on translating the titles of Japanese sources, and I plan to also translate titles of Chinese sources when they start to appear in the article. Z. Patterson (talk) 00:41, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- As we go through the sources and translate the non-English names to English, I am wondering if general audiences will read this without problems and not get confused before we potentially have an FAC. Z. Patterson (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234: I created a list of tasks to do in Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do. This will take us several days to do, but I think we can achieve it. Z. Patterson (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- hi! copyeditor here! first thing i'd recommend is citing any quotations (like the popularity polls, or anything quoting anno's words) in the lede, per MOS:LEADCITE. will reply with more if i have any ideas :3 astral ▪️ he/him ▪️ >:3 19:26, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- @AstralAlley: Thank you for starting to copy edit this. Yes, I plan to address this. Thank you for pointing this out. Z. Patterson (talk) 01:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Aoba47
- For the lead's first sentence, I would recommend adding a descriptor for Gainax, as some readers may be unfamiliar with it. It could be something along the lines of created by the anime studio Gainax. I think that it would also be helpful to move up the anime link to this spot as with the current positioning (the anime series of the same name), the links run together.
- I have a comment about this part,
her classmate and fellow Eva pilot
. The term Eva should more clearly introduced and defined prior to just using it in the prose. I believe that this is a shortened version of Evangelion, but this should be clearer in the prose. - For this part,
appears in the franchise's animated feature films and related media
, is there a reason why list of Neon Genesis Evangelion films is not linked? - For the first sentence of the second paragraph, I would recommend using the character's name rather than her. I think that it is helpful to do this after a paragraph to clearly define the subject to the reader rather than potentially confusing them and having them go back to reread the previous paragraph.
- I have two comments about this part,
by Gainax staff members, such as Aoki Uru and Paul Gallico's The Snow Goose
. There should be a comma after Uru so that The Snow Goose is not listed as an example of Gainax's past work. I would also recommend including a short descriptor for both. I think that something along the lines of the unproduced animated film Aoki Uru and Paul Gallico's novella The Snow Goose would be appropriate. - For this sentence,
Reactions to Rei have generally been positive.
, I would clearly attribute who is having these reactions. Was it critics, viewers, someone else? - For the lead's third paragraph, I would avoid the repetition of the word "poll" twice in the same sentence.
- I do not think that the Nihon Keizai Shimbun sentence is necessary for the lead, as this part should be an overview of the article. I can understand how including quotes in a lead can be helpful in certain instances, but I do not think that this is the case here. The quote and overall sentence seems rather trivial, and I believe its placement in the lead gives it undue weight. I think that this would be best kept in the article.
- I know what moe means, but the lead uses it without any definition or context, so I could see that being confusing for readers. I would careful about using this type of jargon without any additional information, as readers who may be unfamiliar with anime and Japanese tropes in general may have never seen this word before.
- I do not think that the age parameter in the infobox is particularly useful as the character is shown at different ages throughout the story.
- The infobox refers to the character as a human clone, but that is not brought up in the lead. Neither are her title as "First Child" or anything about her relatives.
- Are the character's red eyes notable or important enough (either in the context of the story or in the coverage) to be highlighted in the infobox?
- I have two comments about this sentence:
According to Neon Genesis Evangelion: The Unofficial Guide by writers Kazuhisa Fujie and Martin Foster, director Hideaki Anno instructed Yoshiyuki Sadamoto on Rei's character design, saying, "Whatever else, she needs to be painted as a bitterly unhappy young girl with little sense of presence.
The entire first part can be removed. It is not necessary to attribute directly in the prose that this quote comes from The Unofficial Guide or to say the authors' names. The focus should be on the person saying the quote (in this case Hideaki Amo). - I am not sure if the above sentence is the best way to start this article. It is rather abrupt and tosses the reader into the middle of things. For instance, Hideaki Anno is described as a director, but it is unclear what he is directing. It is unclear who Yoshiyuki Sadamoto is. And then, this goes on to talk about songs by a band Kinniku Shōjo Tai. At this point, Neon Genesis Evangelion has not even been introduced or named. This article seems to start with an assumption that readers would already be familiar with this franchise, and that is not always going to be the case.
- I would be careful about using in-universe terminology without introducing them. For instance, the term "plugsuit" is brought up at the end of the article, and as someone who has never seen anything related to this franchise, I have no clue what this means.
- I would be mindful of citation overkill, particularly in the "Cultural impact" section. I would consider something like citation bundling as a way to address this.
- I have received pushback about block quotes in a previous FAC. I have not read enough of the article to say anything about these block quotes, but I do not notice that the article uses several of them. I just wanted to bring this to your attention as this may be a potential issue for a FAC.
I hope that these comments are helpful. I have primarily looked through the lead and the infobox, and I have done a very brief look through the article. Apologies as I will not be able to do a thorough review.
My primary concern for this article is having it be understood by readers unfamiliar with Neon Genesis Evangelion. I know that this can be more challenging with a character who is from a very different type of world, as it is a lot to introduce and establish.
Best of luck with the peer review process. I am always happy to see people working on fictional character articles, as they are one of my favorite parts of Wikipedia. Aoba47 (talk) 17:22, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Aoba47: Thank you. I plan to address these issues. I added them to the to do list at Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do. Z. Patterson (talk) 01:17, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- I hope that I was able to help and that you have a great rest of your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 01:24, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- The Guild of Copy Editors copy edited this article again for a potential FAC. Z. Patterson (talk) 02:49, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
- I hope that I was able to help and that you have a great rest of your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 01:24, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
FAC PR sidebar
@Z. Patterson: I have added this article to the FAC peer review sidebar. Please consider reviewing other articles on that list. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 05:05, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Thank you most sincerely. I plan to. Z. Patterson (talk) 12:39, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Article is excessively detailed and full of opinions, analysis, and poorly sourced nonsense
Needs massive cleanup. SRSLY.
Also, the RCB does not meet wikipedia's criteria for acceptable sources. It's not traceable to any author, nor is it independent. ~2026-14255-45 (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
- You obviously don't know what you're talking about or how Wikipedia even works. TeenAngels1234 (talk) 00:54, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Source reliability and quality check for Rei Ayanami
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Source reliability and quality check for Rei Ayanami. Z. Patterson (talk) 15:25, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
Evangelion Chronicle issues
To prepare this article for a future WP:FAC, I am currently meticulously going through the article to revise and proofread it. I am also working on verifying citations to expand them, correct them, or replace them with higher-quality sources per WP:FACR. I see that there are citations for Evangelion Chronicle issues in the article that were probably put in the article years ago, but from what I understand, Sony Magazines published 30 issues.[1] DeAgostini took over and republished the original 30 issues and published 10 additional issues in the regular series,[2] but it also published nine volumes that it labeled SF1 to SF9.[3] Given these facts, I have reason to believe Volumes 31–40 must have the publisher changed to DeAgostini, but there is no official statement that I know of that calls what would be issues 41–49 just 41–49 outside of DeAgostini's now-archived URLs. What would be issues 41–49 is probably SF1–SF9. Does anyone concur?
References
- ^ 『エヴァンゲリオン・クロニクル』完結 [Evangelion Chronicle Complete Collection]. Sony Magazines. Archived from the original on February 8, 2008. Retrieved June 7, 2026.
- ^ 週刊エヴァンゲリオン・クロニクル 最新号・バックナンバー [Weekly Evangelion Chronicle Latest Issues/Backnumber]. DeAgostini Japan. Archived from the original on December 14, 2010. Retrieved June 7, 2026.
- ^ 週刊エヴァンゲリオン・クロニクル 最新号・バックナンバー [Weekly Evangelion Chronicle Latest Issues/Backnumber]. DeAgostini Japan. Archived from the original on December 14, 2010. Retrieved June 7, 2026.
Z. Patterson (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- So, the first 30 are about the series as a whole, like a normal encyclopedia. 31-40 are about the Rebuild. And, yeah, 41-50 are Story Files (SF) about the series again: they discuss the anime again, but episode by episode in chronological order this time, like the Newtype Film Books. But there are 10 of them, not 9, the last one being the 50. So, SF1-SF10. TeenAngels1234 (talk) 12:20, 8 June 2026 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234: Thank you for clarifying. Z. Patterson (talk) 02:45, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
Peer review
I have listed this article for peer review because TeenAngels1234 and I would like to get this to featured article status, and Boneless Pizza! suggested I start another peer review in User talk:Z. Patterson/Archive 4#Suletta before a WP:Featured article candidate. If this article passes an FAC, I would also like to use the featured article as a manuscript for a journal article in the WikiJournal of Humanities and get a version of this article (without the fair use images) into a Wikipedia:WikiJournal article nomination, because she has significant academic coverage about her characterization and impact. Consequently, I have been working on aligning Rei Ayanami's article to both the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria and the Wikiversity:WikiJournal User Group/Publishing#Criteria for inclusion. In this peer review, I would like to have multiple peer reviewers give me and TeenAngels1234 suggestions on how we can make this article meet both featured article criteria and the WikiJournal criteria for inclusion. Specifically, I would like viewpoints from the following.
- An FAC mentor, such as one listed at Wikipedia:Mentoring for FAC#Mentors. To date, I have not had a successful FAC, and to my knowledge, this will be TeenAngels1234's first FAC and my first joint FAC. So far, to my knowledge, TeenAngels1234 has done only GANs.
- A user experienced in submitting Wikipedia articles to WikiJournals through Wikipedia:WikiJournal article nominations#Nominations, unless the submitter is also an FAC mentor.
- A subject matter expert in anime in Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga.
- A general reviewer to make sure people who are not familiar with anime and manga can understand the article.
- Someone who participated in WP:GANs and FACs for anime-related articles, such as Naruto Uzumaki and Raichu, unless this person is any of the people listed above.
@FelipeFritschF and Tintor2: I am notifying you for awareness because you are among the top five contributors to Rei Ayanami's article. I am currently going through the Legacy subsection meticulously and have been using Jill Valentine's article as a guide for structure.
Additionally, I plan to review other articles in the Peer Review.
Thank you, Z. Patterson (talk) 12:27, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
- This is quite a big article. Maybe there is something about the size that might turn off FA reviewers. At least judging my experience with how the only FA I made were changed with help from another user expert with FA, it might be better to tone down the prose. The popularity section could be toned to at least one paragraphs and mention only the most notable parts. For example, one of the most recent article I wrote Caim (Drakengard) was turning out to be too big despite appearing in only two games so I tried creating subsections to long section. Another helpful note I received in the past year is that we need to rely less on first party sources and instead more accessible content. Some parts can also be considered wp:fancruft like "The original series does not specify Rei Ayanami's birth date. All data about Rei's past are unknown or erased; her age, 14 in 2015, is the only known fact" so I suggest only putting information that is only pivotal for the viewer or reader while sentences like "Also being Shinji's classmate, she begins to become more aware of her own identity and desires" might be more fitting for characterization and themes. Tintor2 (talk) 19:10, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Tintor2: Thank you. I started doing that. I think aligning her plot summaries with the Characterization and themes and Cultural impact sections, along with using Jill Valentine as a structural guide, may help. Z. Patterson (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- I will also agree with Tintor. Also, "In 2002, TV Asahi ranked her 36th among the 100 most-loved characters in anime history.", the content doesn't seem to be "engaging" per FAC's criteria. All the rankings doesn't mean anything to the character at all. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 00:25, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
- I think I removed the unimportant information from the article for now. @TeenAngels1234: I have a question about the images in the Concept and design section. Is either fair use image in that section necessary for understanding the article? Although fair use images are not allowed in Wikiversity versions of Wikipedia articles and will be removed in Wikiversity, for featured article candidates in Wikipedia, reviewers might have questions about those images. Z. Patterson (talk) 00:08, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- I dunno. I uploaded them from ru.wikipedia, since the article mentions the mysterious Rei-Ayanami like Yui Ichijo character and the dark-eyed Rei. I think the brunette Rei-like Yui is OK, at least; you can delete the other. Maybe we cut to much from Legacy, anyway? I can understand every cut from Reception, basically, but I would restore something from Legacy.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 09:08, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234: I kept the image of concept art of Rei Ayanami in a plugsuit because it mentions "Yui Ichijo" in the corner of the image. I tagged the other image for deletion. I will try to think of something to restore in the Legacy subsection that I removed, but I want to be able to support it with peer-reviewed journal articles or academic books. Some of the information I removed could serve as primary facts or data that are later discussed in secondary academic sources. Z. Patterson (talk) 11:53, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234: I added part of the last paragraph back and expanded it with academic viewpoints in similar issues. Z. Patterson (talk) 11:38, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- @TeenAngels1234: I kept the image of concept art of Rei Ayanami in a plugsuit because it mentions "Yui Ichijo" in the corner of the image. I tagged the other image for deletion. I will try to think of something to restore in the Legacy subsection that I removed, but I want to be able to support it with peer-reviewed journal articles or academic books. Some of the information I removed could serve as primary facts or data that are later discussed in secondary academic sources. Z. Patterson (talk) 11:53, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- I dunno. I uploaded them from ru.wikipedia, since the article mentions the mysterious Rei-Ayanami like Yui Ichijo character and the dark-eyed Rei. I think the brunette Rei-like Yui is OK, at least; you can delete the other. Maybe we cut to much from Legacy, anyway? I can understand every cut from Reception, basically, but I would restore something from Legacy.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 09:08, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- I think I removed the unimportant information from the article for now. @TeenAngels1234: I have a question about the images in the Concept and design section. Is either fair use image in that section necessary for understanding the article? Although fair use images are not allowed in Wikiversity versions of Wikipedia articles and will be removed in Wikiversity, for featured article candidates in Wikipedia, reviewers might have questions about those images. Z. Patterson (talk) 00:08, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- I will also agree with Tintor. Also, "In 2002, TV Asahi ranked her 36th among the 100 most-loved characters in anime history.", the content doesn't seem to be "engaging" per FAC's criteria. All the rankings doesn't mean anything to the character at all. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 00:25, 27 June 2026 (UTC)
- @Tintor2: Thank you. I started doing that. I think aligning her plot summaries with the Characterization and themes and Cultural impact sections, along with using Jill Valentine as a structural guide, may help. Z. Patterson (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2026 (UTC)
- To prepare the article for export to Wikiversity for the WikiJournal of Humanities preprint submission, I am working on a source overhaul in Rei Ayanami's Wikidata item, Q1140524. The source overhaul does not affect this peer review or the future featured article candidacy in English Wikipedia. Z. Patterson (talk) 02:03, 23 July 2026 (UTC)
- This overhaul on Wikidata is done. On the Wikidata item, I confirmed there are no constraint violations, and I proposed it to be listed as a showcase item on Wikidata:Showcase items. This should provide a solid foundation for the future featured article candidacy. Z. Patterson (talk) 00:39, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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