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RM, Paul of Tarsus → Paul the Apostle, Moved, 5 March 2007, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 4 § Article Rename
RM, Paul the Apostle → Saint Paul, Moved, 6 November 2008, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 8 § Article Name
RM, Saint Paul → Paul of Tarsus, Moved, 3 September 2009, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 9 § Requested move 2009
RM, Paul of Tarsus → Saint Paul, No consensus, 2 June 2010, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 9 § Requested Move to Saint Paul
RM, Paul of Tarsus → Paul the Apostle, Moved, 16 October 2010, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 10 § Requested move
RM, Paul the Apostle → Paul of Tarsus, Not moved, 20 April 2014, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 12 § Requested move
RM, Paul the Apostle → Saint Paul, Not moved, 18 September 2022, Talk:Paul the Apostle/Archive 14 § Requested move 18 September 2021

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Citation 65 - Incorrectly states that Greek was Paul's native language

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The work cited to support the claim that Paul spoke Greek as his first language, rather than Aramaic, actually says just the opposite to what is claimed. On page 43 in Bruce, Frederick Fyvie (2000). Paul: Apostle of the Heart Set Free. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-4778-2. - that author states "Aramaic, and not Greek, was the language spoken in his (Paul's) home." Also stating - "it is a fair inference that it (Aramaic) was his mother tongue." The work cited says just the opposite of the claim it is cited to support. 176.88.102.25 (talk) 11:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209113800","author":"176.88.102.25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-176.88.102.25-20240209113800-Citation_65_-_Incorrectly_states_that_Greek_was_Paul's_native_language","replies":["c-Vyselink-20240209190400-176.88.102.25-20240209113800"]}}-->

Good catch. I have looked at the source and changed the wording in order to reflect what was actually written. Vyselink (talk) 19:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209190400","author":"Vyselink","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vyselink-20240209190400-176.88.102.25-20240209113800","replies":[]}}-->

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Paul and Jesus

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the introductory paragraph says that Paul spread the teachings of Jesus, and cites 'powell 2009.' this statement is untrue, and what is this work? 2600:6C46:537F:8A12:A1D0:C5BF:22C2:4DCA (talk) 06:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240526061700","author":"2600:6C46:537F:8A12:A1D0:C5BF:22C2:4DCA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:6C46:537F:8A12:A1D0:C5BF:22C2:4DCA-20240526061700-Paul_and_Jesus","replies":[]}}-->

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Birth

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The source as no evidence and just says he was born from 5-15 ad/ce I have no evidence against it but it is not the best source also I know it is pbs which is reliable but just seems like very little evidence

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Please remove the errant ref tag here:

*<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-d-tabor/paul-the-jew-as-founder-o_b_3930630.html|title= Paul the Jew as Founder of Christianity?|website= [[HuffPost]]|access-date= 28 August 2017|date= 16 September 2013|first= James D|last= Tabor}}

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A new book on Paul is available : Patrick Négrier, Paul de Tarse anti-christique, KDP Editions 2024, Amazon.fr

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