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Ninth?

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It says "Zorner was the ninth most successful fighter pilot in the Luftwaffe and in the history of aerial warfare", with an offline reference.

The first link shows Zorner was ninth among Germans at night fighting. But according to Wikipedia, he doesn't seem to be ninth if either of those two qualifications (German and night fighting) are removed, as in the sentence I quoted.

Going down that night fighting list, Wilhelm Herget had 73 total victories, but is ranked below Zorner only because Herget had fewer night victories. Similarly for Kurt Welter, although his article mentions controversy over his total. So Zorner is 11th if we don't say "ninth in night fighting".

Similarly, Zorner isn't ninth "in the history of aerial warfare", which in context can't be limited to the Luftwaffe. List of World War II aces from the Soviet Union says 3 Soviet aces had higher totals than Zorner.

I don't know what the offline reference says, but it doesn't match the rest of Wikipedia. Am I missing something? Art LaPella (talk) 06:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240126063900","author":"Art LaPella","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Art_LaPella-20240126063900-Ninth?","replies":[]}}-->