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Proto-history?

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I've followed you so far on this article but what is this? I'm sure you must have a definition!Dave (talk) 22:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-29T22:00:00.000Z","author":"Botteville","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Botteville-2008-04-29T22:00:00.000Z-Proto-history?","replies":["c-Botteville-2008-05-01T02:24:00.000Z-Botteville-2008-04-29T22:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Dave"}}-->

OK I finally looked up Protohistory and know what it is. Evidently it is a recent term to apply to certain situations such as the Celts and Germans being written about by foreigners when they couldn't write about themselves. To them they were prehistoric but to others protohistoric - well to tell you the truth the whole thing seems pretty phony to me. Is Celtic history written by a Roman person history or not? What difference does it make who writes it? This is a passing fad I'm sure. In any case It seems pretty inconvenient to fit Corsican history into this mold. Now, the arrival of Ionians in Corsica, was that history or protohistory? Herodotus was the first historian you know but what was he writing here history or protohistory? As the Ionians were actually settling on Corsica why would this not be history? No native Corsicans were writing about it that is true so why would it not be protohistory? Moreover was Herodotus a foreigner or a native? He was an Ionian too! Hmm. The indigenous Corsicans never did write one word about themselves. So, would they have a proto-history without a history? Since we are localising it to them, how can they have a prehistory if they never had a history? Well this the kind of stupid argument engendered by a stupid category that has nothing to do with history but only with argument. If you don't mind I am going to put Mesolithic, Neolithic, Chalcolithic and Bronze Age under pre-history and start history in the Iron Age with Herodotus. If you have some other ideas and those ideas are not your own but are held by a scholar of note, let us know will you?Dave (talk) 02:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-01T02:24:00.000Z","author":"Botteville","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Botteville-2008-05-01T02:24:00.000Z-Botteville-2008-04-29T22:00:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Dave"}}-->

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The bibliography is entirely in French. That ain't right. We need some English refs in here. Moreover, it is time to start putting in line citations.Dave (talk) 11:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-30T11:15:00.000Z","author":"Botteville","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Botteville-2008-04-30T11:15:00.000Z-French_language_refs","replies":[],"displayName":"Dave"}}-->

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There's quite a bit of material on the prehistory. I would say, when it is done we will probably find we have to break it out into "Prehistory of Corsica". Let's see how it goes.Dave (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-01T14:00:00.000Z","author":"Botteville","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Botteville-2008-05-01T14:00:00.000Z-Possible_new_article","replies":[],"displayName":"Dave"}}-->

Suggestion; forget the French, and start throwing Italian and Corsican. Corsicans are ethnically Italian, it has been genetically proven. Corsican is an Italian language, the first names of at least the 18th Century Corsicans were Italian, Pasquale Paoli as opposed to Pascal. The French have gone out of their way to repress the the Italian flavor of Corsican culture, something which Paoli acknowledged readily. Please fix it, and thanks.

Mario T. Majors

http://www.corsica-nazione.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majors mt (talk • contribs) 20:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-14T20:07:00.000Z","author":"Majors mt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Majors_mt-2008-09-14T20:07:00.000Z-Possible_new_article","replies":[]}}-->

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New Intro?

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There are some generalizations about the intro that are a bit troubling, one being the idea that geography "dictates" history. That certainly is debatable but unfortunately there is currently no way at all to settle any such debate. This is not however original research. What the intro boils down to is the "geographical anthropology" of Friedrich Ratzel. He apparently was a pioneer in taking the view that geography seriously influenced culture. The notion is very widespread. One finds it in Greek history as a matter of course, where one reads all about the clear Greek thought being caused by the clear Greek atmosphere, etc etc. I personally think this just a bunch of phony bunk, very unscientific, but my view does not matter really, except to me. Theoretical historians write their stories according to their theories. No theory no story. That is a limitation of history. So we are really talking Ratzel here and I think that should be explained. Unfortunately he invented Lebensraum but when he did he had no idea that it would be used as an excuse for mass murder. He did not apply the idea to Corsica but he had some interesting things to say about the island. The idea of "mountain in the sea" is attributed to him but that apparently is just bunk also. No one ever gives the source of those words, they just say they are attributed to Ratzel. Sure. I've been so long on Corsica because just about everything said about it is 100% wrong from the mythical spoken language only to the mythical populations of speakers that exceed any census. Before long I will have to deal with the mythical summoning and sending out Paoli to rule Corsica by the revolutionary French national assembly. The "mountain in the sea" theory is there in Ratzel's works though. It is something he might have said or it does summarize an actual theory of his. So what I would like to do is expand the intro a little specifically identifying Ratzel. Moreover as far as I can see Ratzel was not a hard determinist so we need to get rid of the notion that geography "dictates" history unless that idea can be pinned to a theorist mentioned in the article.Dave (talk) 12:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-12T12:08:00.000Z","author":"Botteville","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Botteville-2008-07-12T12:08:00.000Z-New_Intro?","replies":[],"displayName":"Dave"}}-->

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