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WikiProject Time in country years talk pages

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(copying this question over from the village pump): I've been editing country years talk pages (e.g. Talk:1920 in France) and I'd like to know if WikiProject Time is an appropriate WikiProject for such articles. I've seen it randomly on a few talk pages, but are such articles actually well-suited for this project? (note: we already use WikiProject Years) — Nythar (💬-🎃) 17:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221106174700","author":"Nythar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nythar-20221106174700-WikiProject_Time_in_country_years_talk_pages","replies":["c-JoeNMLC-20230113044100-Nythar-20221106174700"]}}-->

@Nythar: - yes, I'm wondering same thing since there are thousands of these year lists. Some I've seen with WP Time, but mostly not. Also curious about adding History wikiproject? JoeNMLC (talk) 04:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230113044100","author":"JoeNMLC","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JoeNMLC-20230113044100-Nythar-20221106174700","replies":["c-Nythar-20230114010400-JoeNMLC-20230113044100"]}}-->

JoeNMLC: I've seen WikiProject History on quite a few of these talk pages, and because it seems relevant, I added it to other talk pages to keep the format relatively consistent. However, I'm still not quite sure about adding either WikiProjects History or Time. Any suggestions? I was wondering whether this needs consensus or just an agreement between two or three WikiProject members. — Nythar (💬-❄️) 01:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230114010400","author":"Nythar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nythar-20230114010400-JoeNMLC-20230113044100","replies":["c-JoeNMLC-20230114024600-Nythar-20230114010400"]}}-->

Nythar: In August 2022, for Template - "Years in Romania", I combined 3 other Romania templates into that one. After that, on some of those years, if a Talk page was missing I created with WP Romania, WP List, WP Years. On talk pages for some years it contained Romania only, so I added the two (List and Years). Just my opinion, but to keep these year lists focused it may be best to do just the 3 Wikiprojects (Country, List, Years). Adding WP Time and WP History I don't know whether these would attract more editors to improve the Year lists. I'm not sure how active WP Time is but I think WP History is active, especially with so many Biography articles. JoeNMLC (talk) 02:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230114024600","author":"JoeNMLC","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-JoeNMLC-20230114024600-Nythar-20230114010400","replies":["c-Nythar-20230115195900-JoeNMLC-20230114024600"]}}-->

JoeNMLC, sorry about the late reply. Anyway, I think these three WikiProjects seem fine. I'll use them in the future for such talk pages. Regards, — Nythar (💬-❄️) 19:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230115195900","author":"Nythar","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nythar-20230115195900-JoeNMLC-20230114024600","replies":[]}}-->

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Citing tz database?

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Is it appropriate to cite the tz database itself, or more specifically, the comments written in it?

I'm currently working on and off on the article Time in Alaska and have hit a bit of a roadblock. The Metlakatla Indian Community had briefly used their own timezone, but I wasn't able to find any definitive source as to when and how they did so until I checked the comments of the database. This portion of the file for North America explains the situation pretty well, but I'm unsure as to whether or not it's appropriate to cite it. Unfortunately, it's the only clear source I can find on the issue, aside from the scattered Facebook posts from the MIC themselves listed in the comments. Tymewalk (talk) 07:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230103070300","author":"Tymewalk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tymewalk-20230103070300-Citing_tz_database?","replies":[]}}-->

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help wanted: "how long is a long time?" essay

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Please consider if you might contribute helpfully to wp:HOWLONGISALONGTIME, a Wikipedia essay which has been needed and yet has only just been started. wp:IANAL, but what is time, anyhow? Is your time the same as my time? Sincerely, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 10:53, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230324105300","author":"Doncram","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doncram-20230324105300-help_wanted:_\"how_long_is_a_long_time?\"_essay","replies":[]}}-->

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Update graphics / consistency with tz database article

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The graphic on this page is now out of date. Evan Siroky has very-recently revved time-zone-boundary builder to v2023d, and (at my request) has uploaded the resulting imagery to wikimedia. I have amended the graphic at tz database -- which had a very dated map of timezones (and was IMHO clearly incorrect in its depiction of the PRC as having multiple timzeones).

Perhaps it's time to drop this graphic from this page, but instead provide a crosslink to the (more general) article at tz database? Building an accurate graphic from a list is a non-trivial and error-prone task... Siroky says "it is the intent of this project to rely more heavily on the timezone data from OpenStreetMap. In future releases, more boundaries will have their definitions come directly from overpass searches for timezone key/value pairs in OpenStreetMap. This project will continue to quality-control the resulting worldwide data prior to releasing." [1]https://github.com/evansiroky/timezone-boundary-builder/blob/master/README.md

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References

^ Siroky, Evan (1 January 2024). "Time Zone Boundary Builder".

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Date format

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The date format field in Infobox country is often completely unsourced. Some of these have sources at List of date formats by country, but this list itself also contains many entires that are unsourced too. Presumably, written sources don't exist for many date formats of countries because this seems to be such a common sense thing that no one bothers to formalise it in text. What's the best way forward here? Liu1126 (talk) 13:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240330135200","author":"Liu1126","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liu1126-20240330135200-Date_format","replies":["c-Kvng-20241116154600-Liu1126-20240330135200"]}}-->

The standard answer is find sources. Is this a start? [2], [3]. ~Kvng (talk) 15:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241116154600","author":"Kvng","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kvng-20241116154600-Liu1126-20240330135200","replies":[]}}-->