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I'm here writing for whoever want to read and discuss the inclusion of Steve Clark on the list. For you who have not seen the discussion of his inclusion to the list Im going to place it below this text. At the moment there is a person who delete and block any information not giving any reason or discuss this action. The question is why a person who bring information sources that complete the lead for include the guitarist to the list is still blocked while many of the guitarist on the list have not any discussion, neither citation proving so.

Ps Before any judgment I was accused for use another user name something called socketpupet that was once never do it again, I was new to the wikipedia rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Gibson_players

Please discuss and tell a reason, its frustrating when somebody just says: delete because lead in, when Im bringing tons of sources and proving him wrong. I have been called troll, fancruft and many other names while this person keeps deleting without any kind of rational discussion. Even its unfair seeing many of the guitarist on the list without any citation, reliable source, notability description or even more merit to be on the list than the person who I have been trying to include. --76.26.24.74 (talk) 22:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-10T22:51:00.000Z","author":"76.26.24.74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.26.24.74-2011-02-10T22:51:00.000Z-Gibson_Les_paul_players_list","replies":["c-198.164.219.128-2011-02-10T23:37:00.000Z-76.26.24.74-2011-02-10T22:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Your additions of Steve Clark into the article have failed to provide a reference that show importance. I believe there may be an argument to include him if a reference showing that he was notable for a specific model. But he didn't appear to be. The first half of his career he played Ibanez models. And when he switched to Gibson for the final 5 years of his life he did not favour any one particular model. Instead he shuffled from one Gibson to another more as a novelty or a choosing whatever looked good with his wardrobe. Your recent vandalism of the article did not support your position at all as you blanked out pictures of some of the most famous Gibson players of all time like Emmylou Harris and Sam Bush and you also deleted referenced players who had several book citations backing them up. Your edits have been nothing more than WP:POINT and not constructive at all. I would love to see Steve Clark included on the list. He owned a few Gibson Firebirds and Les Paul Juniors. If any of them were singularly famous then it would support his name being added to the list. Have any of them been added to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Some may be viewable in a Hard Rock Cafe somewhere but that is not notable at all. Just about any person can get an instrument into one of those bars. If he played a guitar that once belonged to another famous Gibson player would certainly be notable. Paul Kossof is one of the most famous Les Paul players of all time. And Clark was a huge fan of him. Did he own and play a guitar that was once owned by his hero. If he did then he could certainly be added. If it had a reference. 198.164.219.128 (talk) 23:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-10T23:37:00.000Z","author":"198.164.219.128","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-198.164.219.128-2011-02-10T23:37:00.000Z-76.26.24.74-2011-02-10T22:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

++++ First of all thank you for join, is really refreshing when somebody indeed want to discuss but limit to reply: "lead not met" delete. I'm curious what you are calling WP:POINT in fact sometimes the frustration of bringing to the table something and not be discussed but just limited to be blocked its unfair. I edited the article according of what I have been told: It needs citations to be included, if you take a look I only edited the names that were on the list without citation, you mentioned two names that I dont even have an idea who they are, maybe they are awesome, I clearly edited some famous names but without citation they are not meeting the lead other new additions are being blocked.

Now let me tell you a couple of corrections. Steve Clark was active during 13 years on that period he sold over 40 million albums and wrote many hits/popular songs, During all his career He NEVER played ibanez (maybe you are confused with Phil Collen who played Ibanez destroyer), He played rare occasions a Hammer on the very begging of the first record and one time he appeared on the love bites video playing a fender who Jimmy page (His real Hero/influence) gave it to him. Not true he was a big fan of Kossof, Jimmy page was his god, Steve died for him, the gibson twin neck Gibson EDS 1275 was a perfectly example of this, Steve was the only one notable player on 80s for playing and make popular this guitar (I found a "video" of it making the reference). Steve Clark was pure legitim Gibson player 100% tons of sources back up that.

You said he switched from gibson to gibson just for fad wow thats harsh, specially if you treat the same way eddie van halen cos he swithced or change the color of his guitar just to look good, Slash has been cought with many gibson model, so your point is misleading... we know that is not true. for example If you love a brand you buy and consume the brand, if you like toyota you can have 3 toyotas parking on your garage if you can, if you like apple you can have iphone, ipad, etc. Its not for fad its because simply you love the brand, there are apple maniacs there are gibson maniacs like steve was. He used a rare gibson Les Paul XR-1, I challenge you find another famous guitarist that played this model. Plus Steve has his own Gibson signature (source gave it too).

I just want to make it easier for you and for everybody and summarize the sources (not all of it cos`I found lots! you can find those on the discussion on the link above)

Links mention Steve as Gibson notable player: http://www.lespaulguide.com/famous-les-paul-players.php , http://rockureview.com/?p=1220, http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/top-50-guitar-albums-0727/ Links mention all Steve gears and explaining rarities: http://www.steveclarkguitar.com/StevesHysteriaTourGuitars.html , http://www.guitaredge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=614:def-leppard-bringin-on-the-heartbreak&catid=54:this-months-songs-with-tab&Itemid=89,

NOTABILITY

• 101 UNSUNG GUITAR HEROES: In the October 2004 issue of UK's Guitarist magazine they have listed a readers poll of 101 Unsing Guitar Heroes and Mr Steve Clark is featured in the list. And rightly so. (Our Clarkie is a God!) Nobody has been allocated a number; it's just a list of 101 names whom I would assume received the most votes. Here's what is said about our Steve: "Unsung as much as a songwriter as a player, the hard-living Clark lent early Leppard some great riffs as well as punchy, economical solos. He tragically died in 1991, aged just 30. Guitarist pick: Pyromania (1983) You say:'Always melodic, and packed with feel and tone. Def Leppard lost their edge when he was gone.' Jonathan Bradbeer"
• Little Angels - Guitarist Bruce Dickinson "I switched to Gibson Les Paul guitars after seeing him. It's such a shame that Steve has died. I hope he had a good time on the way. The band have had a lot of bad stuff happen to them. It just goes to show you should enjoy life as you go along and make the best of it."
• Watch this jewel Frank Hannon of Tesla, If you like love song of tesla notice this song was written with a Steve guitar plus appeared on the video of the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25GwOPoiYo8&feature=player_embedded#
• MARIAH CAREY IS A STEVE CLARK FAN TOO! did you know the song One Sweet Day is widely know for being inspired by the death of Mariah’s “Guitar Legend,” She loved Steve, even she cover the bringing on the heartbreak as tribute.
• Slaughter - Vocalist Mark Slaughter: "Steve Clark was a very big inspiration to our band because Def Leppard were a big contributing factor to the Slaughter sound. It is a very great loss and we wish the guys in Def Leppard all the best. I'm sure that Steve is now with John Bonham and all the other greats."
• Iron Maiden - Bassist Steve Harris: All of the boys are devastated. Knowing him for some 10 years we have always had the greatest respect for him and his creative musical talents. He was like all the people in Leppard, down to earth and very friendly. Steve was a great guy and will be sorely missed by all of Iron Maiden."

I have ignored bunch of citations saying how great he was, how much he is missed and how much he loved and collaborate to the Gibson popularity. As I said before its a no brainer that Steve was on videos on MTV like "Photograph", pour some sugar on me or Animal, videos that were played 24/7 and young kids and new generations saw this blonde guy carry this gibson in this particular way (Low to the knees), you clearly cant deny he add popularity to Gibson, you can not take away that credit, that is what im standing for, I mean, for god sake he appears carrying a gibson les paul on his grave

I saw recently he was selected on this In 2007 Clark was ranked #11 on Classic Rock Magazine's "100 Wildest Guitar Heroes". That is a printed source, Im just curious why you accept printed sources for some guitarist and not for others, Im positive quite sure there is a lot of writing sources for Steve Clark.

Finally please come back and discuss I have notice all the guys who are "blocking" the incorporation are from Canada, I dont know if taking this as a coincidence or something else. If this could be reach other hands I know we could get something good. --76.26.24.74 (talk) 01:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-11T01:36:00.000Z","author":"76.26.24.74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.26.24.74-2011-02-11T01:36:00.000Z-Gibson_Les_paul_players_list","replies":[]}}-->

****Correction:**** IP 198.164.219.128 Now I recognize you, you are not a new contributor, you are the person who said: Steve Clark was a mediocre to average guitar player in a band that was successful in the 1980s on the discussion of the article, but now you are saying You would love to see Steve Clark included on the list... That make no sense. Now I understand why your comment was a little out of the truth like the ibanez thing and the "switching to switching gibson" Please new contributors are welcome --76.26.24.74 (talk) 02:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-11T02:05:00.000Z","author":"76.26.24.74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.26.24.74-2011-02-11T02:05:00.000Z-Gibson_Les_paul_players_list","replies":[]}}-->

UPDATE: I want to point the following Now taking a second look to the comment of IP 198.164.219.128

1) Steve clark is the only notable player who played the rare Gibson XR1 discontinued on 1983, source provided.

2)IP 198.164.219.128 pointed "It's not a Les Paul players list its a list for all Gibson instruments" if this is the case just the title of the article is wrong (List of Gibson players) I would consider evaluate and give more detail of what the article is looking for.

3) It happen again as always, no one comes and join the discussion just the same 2 persons who has been stopped the inclusion, wikipedia its no easy for everybody, most of the people could help the discussion does not know how to get into this discussion neither know we are having one right now. I have received accusing attacks from others IP's before(canadians) whom never been editing wikipedia before but how curious their first edit they did its reverting my edits in a very experienced way, I suspecting is the same person using other Ip but Im not going to do nothing because I dont know how to carry this over.--76.26.24.74 (talk) 05:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-12T05:06:00.000Z","author":"76.26.24.74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.26.24.74-2011-02-12T05:06:00.000Z-Gibson_Les_paul_players_list","replies":["c-202.174.176.253-2011-02-12T15:12:00.000Z-76.26.24.74-2011-02-12T05:06:00.000Z","c-76.26.24.74-2011-02-22T02:46:00.000Z-76.26.24.74-2011-02-12T05:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Of the 2 IPs that you've argued with: 1 is located in Portland Oregon, United States and the other is located in Northern British Columbia, Canada. That's about 1000 miles difference and in 2 different countries. You have argued that Steve Clark is a famous person. But you have failed to verify that any of his Gibson guitars were notable. Or that his playing a Gibson meant any great difference to Gibson sales. He was a celebrity. But when he died Gibson sales didn't skyrocket. And no one appears to have been quoted in any of your links as saying that they switched over to Gibson because they saw Mr. Clark playing one. You fail to miss the entire point of the debate. And the entire point of the article. A generic list of Gibson players would have 100 000 names on it. The point of the list is notability. Gibson never made a Steve Clark signature model. He played guitar in an extremely popular band and it is sad that he was an alcoholic who drank himself to death at the height of his fame.. But, in the grand scheme of things, the brand of guitar he played made no real difference at all to anyone other than him. 202.174.176.253 (talk) 15:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-12T15:12:00.000Z","author":"202.174.176.253","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-202.174.176.253-2011-02-12T15:12:00.000Z-76.26.24.74-2011-02-12T05:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

hello IP 202.174.176.253 check this link for "And no one appears to have been quoted in any of your links as saying that they switched over to Gibson because they saw Mr. Clark playing one." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25GwOPoiYo8&feature=player_embedded#. and this one for the Gibson signature for Mr Clark. http://www.steveclarkguitar.com/StevesHysteriaTourGuitars.html another source says the following:

GM: I've always associated you, Steve, with Gibson Les Pauls and you, Phil, with Les Pauls and then later Ibanez Destroyers. What guitars are you currently playing?

Steve: I've always played Les Pauls - in fact, I've just signed a deal with Gibson which is really good 'cos they'll make me anything I want. Guitarist Magazine (July 1988) - written source.

I think there is BIG misconception in the article, just look at the title "List of Gibson players" but you are not the first person saying "failed to verify that any of his Gibson guitars were notable". so the article should be called List of notable gibson GUITARS, Im not the only one who have seen this misconception, I have seen lots of people saying this right after Wikilbs delete their stuff. Anyway I have bring to the table that Steve was also notable for playing during pyromania world tour and appeared on videoclips the extremely rare Gibson XR-1, I swear to god nobody else at least famous has been playing this model. You can see Steve clark playing this guitar on the blockbuster/heavy MTV rotation video "photograph" heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ5bS3_BCDs . that does not count?. I posted two sources about this one but of course its been ignored.

Believe me its pretty HARD find online sources, that video of Frank Hannon of Tesla talking about Steve was a very lucky shot. On the list there is more than 90+ guitarist without any source or merely describing the notability... I have build a complete description with several sources but its not enough, you need to comprehend its hard to find one single source describing the whole lead-in that is why you have to took pieces of sources and put them together just like I did. I know theres a lot of written sources for Steve-gibson relationship are those valid? Kerrang, circus magazines, The animal instinct book, I know for sure on any of these written sources we can debate the gibson sales due to steve, as I said its pretty difficult even for any of the artists on the list get a source saying that, but using the logic you can see Steve was a pionner of gibson guitar on the 80s through MTV just compare other bands of the era and none of them play gibson because they rather play flashy guitars like fender or hammer. If Gibson has any significant sales on the 80`s was because of Steve Clark and Slash after appetite album. I have 3 sources showing an independent list of notable gibson players included for example Jimmy page, angus young, etc.. steve clark. but how come all of them are on the article but steve, even one of the list im refering is from the Gibson web page...

I have bring many topics to discuss you cant complain "name of the article", "written sources", "artist on the list without sources" and of course summarizing the sources i have found for the inclusion of Clark, "the XR-1", and debating/correcting some of your comments with links.

So if you're agree the article of Steve would be like this:

Steve Clark (Def Leppard) played Gibson guitars exclusively during his career contributing significantly to the popularity of the brand part in due to the heavy rotation videos of the band on Mtv, the main one being a classic Gibson Les Paul Standard.^[1][2][3] He also used a Gibson Firebird and the twin neck Gibson EDS-1275, referred to onstage by Joe Elliott as the Gibson 18-string Razor.^[4]. He used on High 'n' Dry world tour a Gibson Explorer made out of rare Honduran mahogany.^[5] His primary axes on the Pyromania world tour were a Gibson Les Paul Standard and one of few notable players that played a rare Gibson Les Paul XR-1. He is seen playing a 58 Sunburst Les Paul on the massive hit video bringing on the heartbreak. During Hysteria world tour he used Gibson “Dirty Fingers” mounts on his Gibson models such as W-neck Gibson EDS and his own signature custom made white Gibson Firebird.^[6]

Regards --76.26.24.74 (talk) 02:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-22T02:46:00.000Z","author":"76.26.24.74","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-76.26.24.74-2011-02-22T02:46:00.000Z-76.26.24.74-2011-02-12T05:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey guys we are having some add ins for this matter on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Gibson_players#Steve_Clark If you wanna join the discussion here or there its fine, please join. --76.26.24.74 (talk) 01:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-03-01T01:57:00.000Z","author":"76.26.24.74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.26.24.74-2011-03-01T01:57:00.000Z-Gibson_Les_paul_players_list","replies":[]}}-->

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.gibson.com/it-it/Stile-di-Vita/Notizie-Rilevanti/Steve-Clark-0128-2011/&ei=r8RuTZ7ICois8APu34zuDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsite:gibson.com%2B%252B%2522steve%2Bclark%2522%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divnso another source --76.26.24.74 (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-03-20T16:52:00.000Z","author":"76.26.24.74","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.26.24.74-2011-03-20T16:52:00.000Z-Gibson_Les_paul_players_list","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently a discussion concerning moving the Warwick (disambiguation) page to Warwick taking place at Talk:Warwick (disambiguation). One of the targets is the Warwick bass brand (which I believe should be under the scope of this project, but has yet to be assessed). You may wish to comment. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 20:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-23T20:07:00.000Z","author":"Floydian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Floydian-2011-02-23T20:07:00.000Z-Discussion_affecting_an_article","replies":[],"displayName":"\u0284\u026do\u028f\u0257ia\u0272"}}-->

Since early in 2010, many editors have assisted in the referencing or removal of over 90% of the Unreferenced Biographies of Living People, bringing the total down from over 50,000 to the current 4,862 (as of 16:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)). Thank you for all of the work you've done to date, but we are now asking for your help in finishing this task. There are two main projects which are devoted to removing UBLPs from en.Wikipedia:

• WP:URBLP has set up a large number of topic based lists, which are updated each day by a WP:BOT. Your project's list is located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists/Unreferenced BLPs and currently contains 52 articles.
• WP:URBLPR is focusing on clearing out the backlog based on the month in which each article was tagged as being unreferenced. The current task is Category:Unreferenced BLPs from September 2009, and it is the last month remaining from 2009.
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Thank you for any assistance you can provide. The-Pope (talk) 16:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-01T16:26:00.000Z","author":"The-Pope","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The-Pope-2011-06-01T16:26:00.000Z-Unreferenced_BLPs_-_the_final_surge","replies":[]}}-->

Just wondering the merit of these list as many seem to attract a contant flow of IPs who just want to add there favourites regardless of whether they are truly notable... Fender pages being a current target. Mr Pyles (talk) 03:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-12-26T03:04:00.000Z","author":"Mr Pyles","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Pyles-2011-12-26T03:04:00.000Z-Fancruft_of_notable_player_lists","replies":["c-Sebread-2012-01-23T21:25:00.000Z-Mr_Pyles-2011-12-26T03:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yeah, I kinda agree. Having talk pages full of, well, guff, with far too long arguments about issues that don't really require the effort is getting a little tiresome, especially. I see they're now starting to spill over onto the WP talk pages (see above for just one example). Removing them might be a bit far...semi-protection maybe?--Sebread (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-23T21:25:00.000Z","author":"Sebread","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sebread-2012-01-23T21:25:00.000Z-Mr_Pyles-2011-12-26T03:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there. I was looking through the page for John Paul Jones recently, when I realised that it is still rated C Class on our quality scale. It's been improved significantly since I last had a look at it, and looking through our assessment criteria, I can say I think that it has the quality and substance, as well as a range of reliable references to qualify as a B Class article, if not an A class (maybe with a little more work). Seeing as it's quite an important article, I wasn't planning to just charge in and change it, so any thoughts, anyone? --Sebread (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-23T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Sebread","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sebread-2012-01-23T21:18:00.000Z-John_Paul_Jones_assessment","replies":[]}}-->

Looks like Mr Anonymous may be expanding his violations of WP:OWN to articles other than those associated with the Rolling Stones. I deleted his fanboy listcrufting of the lead paragraph of the Stratocaster article. (I'm surprised he didn't list Ronnie Wood in there somewhere) I expect he will return and put his POV faves back in. Worth keeping an eye on. Mr Pyles (talk) 02:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-30T02:45:00.000Z","author":"Mr Pyles","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Pyles-2012-01-30T02:45:00.000Z-Watch_out_for_fanboys_listcrufting_guitar_model_articles","replies":["c-Backtable-2012-01-30T06:17:00.000Z-Mr_Pyles-2012-01-30T02:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for the notification. Those articles aren't my specialty, but I hope this situation gets fixed in due time. Backtable ^{Speak to me}_{concerning my deeds.} 06:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-30T06:17:00.000Z","author":"Backtable","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Backtable-2012-01-30T06:17:00.000Z-Mr_Pyles-2012-01-30T02:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'd like to request some assistance with the article for the late (and, IMO, great) Shawn Lane. Recently I've had a go at re-writing the opening section as well as some of his bio, but lately I've slacked off a bit. Now, however, a rather over-eager user has come along making a huge amount of minor changes (mainly to the discography), as well as adding a whole bunch of external links. Take a look at the edit history for the article and it's certainly looking a bit.. bloated, wouldn't you say? Either way, because there are now so many links, perhaps someone with patience would like to sift through them and see which ones are relevant and could be incorporated into the article as references. I'm pretty sure not all of them are needed, as many seem to be review sites pertaining to albums rather than Lane himself. Since I'm not particularly knowledgeable about his life and career, I don't think I have much to offer besides having a huge admiration for his work—hence my request here. Besides, for the past three years I've done so much with the Allan Holdsworth article that it would feel daunting to start tackling another one, let alone crossing paths with a user who doesn't seem to know when to stop! Mac Dreamstate (talk) 01:05, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T01:05:00.000Z","author":"Mac Dreamstate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mac_Dreamstate-2012-03-15T01:05:00.000Z-Shawn_Lane","replies":["c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-06-13T19:05:00.000Z-Mac_Dreamstate-2012-03-15T01:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Per your request, I copy-edited the article, and found sources using High-Beam, so I am here to say, you owe me!  ;) *LOL*

Seriously, I learned about the great late Lane doing research for tritone tuning, and now I am happy to have read that you raised these concerns.

The article on tritone tuning does need a source that Lane used BFBFBF for tri-tone fascination's "tri 7-5". Please help!

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-13T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-06-13T19:05:00.000Z-Mac_Dreamstate-2012-03-15T01:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

I have started articles on major-thirds tuning and augmented-fourths tuning (tritone tuning) for the guitar, as well as written a short section on regular tunings in the article on guitar tunings.

My knowledge is meager, my sources have been few, my editing has been hurried, and the guitar-tunings article is viewed by 1600 innocents daily. Both articles may appear on DYK, soon, as I have nominated them at DYK. Thus,

• informed second-opinions, or
• a DYK review or both

would be great.

Thanks! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:56, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-13T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-06-13T18:56:00.000Z-Regular_tunings","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

The DYK nomination for

still need to be reviewed.

The fact about Shawn Lane's use of the BFBFBF augmented-fourths tuning for the Tritone Fascination's Tri 7/5 needs a citation. Please help!

Thanks! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC) 16:07, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-25T17:14:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-06-25T17:14:00.000Z-The_Tritone_fascination...?_Please_help!","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

The regular tunings section of guitar tunings was getting too long, so I spun-off a more detailed article.

Your comments are welcome. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-28T21:07:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-07-28T21:07:00.000Z-Spin-off_article:_Regular_tunings","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

The automatic peer-reviewer suggested that articles have infoboxes, so I created the following box, which summarizes the summary table in regular tunings.

Major thirds
An equilateral triangle circumscribed by the chromatic circle specifies a major-thirds tuning, which has consecutive open-notes a major third apart (four semitones).
Aliases	All thirds
Interval	Major third
Semitones	4
Example(s)	E-G♯-c-e-g♯-c'-e' D♯-G-b-d♯-g-b'-d'♯
Other instruments	Seven-string guitar
Repetition	After 3 strings
Advantages	Reduced hand-stretching: major and minor chords on 2 consecutive frets
Disadvantages	Reduced range on 6 strings
Left-handed tuning	Minor sixths tuning
Associated musician
Guitarist	Ralph Patt
Regular tunings (semitones)
Trivial (0)
Minor thirds (3)
Major thirds (4)
All fourths (5)
Augmented fourths (6)
New standard (7, 3)
All fifths (7)
Minor sixths (8)
Guitar tunings

Updated with modern infobox syntax. 20:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments are welcome. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-07T13:08:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-07T13:08:00.000Z-Infobox:_Regular_guitar_tunings","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

Discussion here.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-29T19:09:00.000Z","author":"Gilderien","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gilderien-2012-07-29T19:09:00.000Z-Article_Nomenclature","replies":[]}}-->

Jazz-guitarist Ralph Patt's new article needs a picture. :)

Its Did You Know nomination

• ... that the music of Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, and Arnold Schoenberg inspired jazz guitarist Ralph Patt to introduce major-thirds tuning?

needs to be has been reviewed, too by the nefarious felinophilic leader of SPECTRE! :) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-11T00:06:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-11T00:06:00.000Z-Ralph_Patt","replies":["c-Spike_Wilbury-2012-08-11T00:44:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-11T00:06:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

It seems a little strange to have a picture in the infobox that's not the subject... is that becoming more of a norm? --Spike Wilbury (talk) 00:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-11T00:44:00.000Z","author":"Spike Wilbury","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Spike_Wilbury-2012-08-11T00:44:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-11T00:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-21T07:53:00.000Z-Spike_Wilbury-2012-08-11T00:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

'Twas passing strange, indeed.

I uploaded a fair-use photograph. Maybe a jazz-guitarist can rally the community to upload a Creative-Commons 3.0 BY SA photo? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 07:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-21T07:53:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-21T07:53:00.000Z-Spike_Wilbury-2012-08-11T00:44:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

Major thirds tuning's talk page has a discussion of chord diagrams. Mr. Alexandre Oberlin kindly donated diagrams (TuxGuitar, etc.) for C major and C minor.

It would be easier for me to use the LaTeX package GChords to produce PDF files.

I assume that (when prudent) all diagrams in one article should have the same format. Perhaps this project could develop a user essay and then guidelines for chord diagrams? (Perhaps such policies have been developed in non-English Wikipedias?)

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-24T11:12:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-24T11:12:00.000Z-Chord_diagrams","replies":["c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-26T15:35:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-24T11:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

I created consistent diagrams, some of which are shown in the article as snapshotted and exported PNG files. A PDF file with some exposition and all the images has been uploaded to the Wikimedia Foundation. This file also includes a dictionary of basic chords.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-26T15:35:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-26T15:35:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-08-24T11:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

I have expanded and revised guitar chords. It now contains

• more discussion of regular tunings (and open tunings), using illustrations I uploaded for major thirds tuning.
• brief introduction to guitar chords now independent of the tuning (while also emphasizing the emphasis on standard tuning). I mentioned the Roman numeral analysis discussed by two sources as explaining the popularity of the CAGED major-chords in popular music.
• Discussion of repeated notes (for increased volume) and inversions and alternative voicings as important for guitar. These observations seem trivial, but I cannot find references.

It's probable that I made mistakes, and so outside-eyes would be appreciated. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:36, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-02T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-09-02T22:36:00.000Z-Guitar_chords","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

For guitar chord, I've added some artists to illustrate power chords (PT) and chord progressions. The citations for progressions are synthetic, since I referenced songbooks having the chords, not a scholar stating "this is the key and here is a chord progression".

• Cat Stevens: The First Cut is the Deepest
• Chuck Berry: Johnny B. Goode

Please help with secondary sources or improved examples. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:31, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-16T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-09-16T17:31:00.000Z-Guitarists_for_guitar_chords","replies":["c-Bobyllib-2012-09-21T10:19:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-09-16T17:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

• "It's a Blues riff in B, watch me for the changes, and try to keep up." - Fox, Michael J, Back to the Future, 1985 ;-) -- Bobyllib (talk) 10:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-09-21T10:19:00.000Z","author":"Bobyllib","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bobyllib-2012-09-21T10:19:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-09-16T17:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-10-15T09:44:00.000Z-Bobyllib-2012-09-21T10:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

My mild original-research with Cat Stevens and Chuck Berry has been replaced with citations to academics writing about Paul McCartney and Elvis Presley (whose photograph lacks a guitar). Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:44, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-15T09:44:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-10-15T09:44:00.000Z-Bobyllib-2012-09-21T10:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

Tribute guitars doesn't exist yet. I am not knowledgable enough to create it. Is it worthy of its own article?--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-05T20:09:00.000Z","author":"Canoe1967","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Canoe1967-2013-01-05T20:09:00.000Z-Tribute_guitars?","replies":[]}}-->

The article Hardcore tuning has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No references. Google books has exactly one mention of "hardcore tuning", which is a copy of this "article". It is not notable. Implausible claim of notability.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-16T12:48:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2013-01-16T12:48:00.000Z-Proposed_deletion_of_Hardcore_tuning","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

There is a discussion occuring here regarding which music articles should be deemed vital to the Wikipedia project. Your input would be appreciated. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-19T22:04:00.000Z","author":"GabeMc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GabeMc-2013-03-19T22:04:00.000Z-Vital_articles","replies":[]}}-->

The new article overtones tuning may interest guitarists.

I nominated it for DYK:

• Did you know ... that, on Bad Company's "Can't Get Enough", the ringing guitar uses an open tuning constructed from C's overtones (pictured)?

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:39, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-21T10:39:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2013-03-21T10:39:00.000Z-Overtones_tuning:_DYK_nomination","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

I have had no experience with writing this kind of article on a musician, so perhaps someone would be kind enough to give this one the once-over? Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-18T17:26:00.000Z","author":"Invertzoo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Invertzoo-2013-05-18T17:26:00.000Z-John_McCurry","replies":["c-Canoe1967-2013-05-18T17:43:00.000Z-Invertzoo-2013-05-18T17:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Most times you can email them for a decent image. Just mention that they need to be a 'free licence' from the photographer who is normally the copyright holder. If they don't have an image already like this article then I usually warn them that someone may upload a bad image they found somewhere like Flickr that has a free licence. I have had them email me photos to put in articles and them help them license through OTRS. The backlog bot there is set to 60 days, I think. I usually put them in the article as soon as I get them and wait for the paperwork at commons. See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS for the proper license format they need to fill out and the email address to send to. Give the image a name like John McCurry New York 2013.jpg so if we get more they are easy to sort. Let me know if you need a hand at commons or want me to upload it there for you.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-18T17:43:00.000Z","author":"Canoe1967","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canoe1967-2013-05-18T17:43:00.000Z-Invertzoo-2013-05-18T17:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Invertzoo-2013-05-18T21:02:00.000Z-Canoe1967-2013-05-18T17:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank so much for your reply Canoe1967. I will see what I can do about an image. Do you think the article itself is sort of OK for a beginning? As I said, I am not at all used to writing this kind of article, and plus I don't really properly understand what the listings at allmusic.com mean, but I am doing my best. Invertzoo (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-18T21:02:00.000Z","author":"Invertzoo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Invertzoo-2013-05-18T21:02:00.000Z-Canoe1967-2013-05-18T17:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Canoe1967-2013-05-19T01:52:00.000Z-Invertzoo-2013-05-18T21:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Looks fine. Far better then some of the lame articles I created. Other editors may whine about the Julian Lennon section and may try to delete it altogether. Far too many deletionists at en:wp. I don't know much about music articles either and try to stick with images. Others in this project may help though. If you keep it below the radar then others won't pick on it too much. --Canoe1967 (talk) 01:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-05-19T01:52:00.000Z","author":"Canoe1967","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canoe1967-2013-05-19T01:52:00.000Z-Invertzoo-2013-05-18T21:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thought it proper to inform you Wikifolks of a move discussion at Talk:Lash Huffman#Requested move. Some primary topic issues involving Stevie Ray Vaughan and a disambiguation page you may (or may not) be concerned about. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-27T00:58:00.000Z","author":"InedibleHulk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-InedibleHulk-2013-07-27T00:58:00.000Z-Requested_move_about_a_Stevie_Ray","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your good works. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-31T15:14:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2013-07-31T15:14:00.000Z-Retiring","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

I noticed someone stopped by the talk page of Santa Cruz Guitar Company and added the project template, so I went through my watchlist and added it to the talk page of all articles I thought were within the scope of the project. Would be great if someone could have a look and remove it if I added pages where it's not really relevant (some of them are obviously within the scope of the project, though). Here's the list of talk pages where I added the template:

• Talk:Tom Anderson Guitarworks
• Talk:James Tyler Guitars
• Talk:Suhr Guitars
• Talk:Floyd Rose
• Talk:3rd bridge
• Talk:Collings Guitars
• Talk:Floyd D. Rose
• Talk:Floyd Rose SpeedLoader
• Talk:Fretboard Journal
• Talk:Strat Plus
• Talk:Tariqh Akoni
• Talk:Vibrato systems for guitar
• Talk:Z.Vex Effects

I haven't yet attempted to assess the quality of any of these pages, but I might just hand them to SuggestBot's assessment algorithm to get a fairly accurate starting point. Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 18:12, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-30T18:12:00.000Z","author":"Nettrom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nettrom-2013-12-30T18:12:00.000Z-Project_template_added_to_several_pages","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Yoshihide Ōtomo#Requested move, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Michitaro (talk) 01:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-02T01:11:00.000Z","author":"Michitaro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Michitaro-2014-02-02T01:11:00.000Z-Move_request","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated John Mayer for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-25T18:52:00.000Z","author":"SNUGGUMS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SNUGGUMS-2014-08-25T18:52:00.000Z-FAR","replies":[]}}-->

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-01T22:47:00.000Z","author":"Harej","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harej-2014-10-01T22:47:00.000Z-Comment_on_the_WikiProject_X_proposal","replies":[]}}-->

Does anyone have access to, say, old guitar magazines that might give of details on the equipment used on Metallica's Master of Puppets? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-14T00:03:00.000Z","author":"Curly Turkey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Curly_Turkey-2014-11-14T00:03:00.000Z-Details_on_equipment_used_on_Master_of_Puppets?","replies":[],"displayName":"Curly\u00a0Turkey"}}-->

Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-14T16:57:00.000Z","author":"Harej","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harej-2015-01-14T16:57:00.000Z-WikiProject_X_is_live!","replies":[]}}-->

Fresh eyes may prevent a fifth or sixth reversion. is a 14:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-21T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Is not a","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Is_not_a-2015-01-21T14:48:00.000Z-George_Benson:_Jehovah's_Witness?","replies":[],"displayName":"is"}}-->

It's very rare that an amp article has one. The only one I could find (though I didn't look around too much) is on Fender Blues Junior and it's just a wikitable cobbled together. Eman235/talk 22:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-19T22:14:00.000Z","author":"Eman235","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eman235-2015-06-19T22:14:00.000Z-Anyone_care_to_create_an_amplifier_infobox?","replies":[]}}-->

I've noticed that a lot of articles have a severe lack of sources regarding what equipment is used by the artist. Fact is, this needs to be corrected. There's no excuse for putting a bunch of gear that you THINK you saw the artist use, and not cite a legitimate source.

If you need help, go to Equipboard, they have a database of many musicians with the gear they use, all of which are backed up by credible sources. Check there, then start updating the equipment subsections in the artists' pages. Vulpest Narcist (talk) 23:30, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-22T23:30:00.000Z","author":"Vulpest Narcist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vulpest_Narcist-2015-07-22T23:30:00.000Z-Equipment_Sources","replies":[]}}-->

Not a Project member, but I noticed that the articles resonator guitar and dobro have a total of one source between them. There's a lot of information on the pages, though, which seems to be correct based on a quick web search. I've tagged the pages as needing more refs, but honestly, they qualify as OR right now. I implore someone with the time and knowledge to help fix them before an admin comes by and threatens deletion. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 04:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-05-03T04:42:00.000Z","author":"2ReinreB2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2ReinreB2-2017-05-03T04:42:00.000Z-Unreferenced_articles","replies":[]}}-->

Looks like this WikiProject is dead, but just in case... The strum article needs serious help. I went to the article to learn about strumming and strum notation and basically didn't learn anything useful. Kaldari (talk) 18:18, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-11T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Kaldari","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kaldari-2018-01-11T18:18:00.000Z-Strum_article_needs_help","replies":[]}}-->

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

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On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

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Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   10:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-31T10:57:00.000Z","author":"The Transhumanist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Transhumanist-2018-05-31T10:57:00.000Z-Background","replies":[]}}-->

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

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A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Classical guitar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Classical guitar until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:46, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-06-02T23:46:00.000Z","author":"Northamerica1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Northamerica1000-2019-06-02T23:46:00.000Z-Nomination_of_Portal:Classical_guitar_for_deletion","replies":[],"displayName":"North America"}}-->

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Guitar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Guitar until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:52, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-06-02T23:52:00.000Z","author":"Northamerica1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Northamerica1000-2019-06-02T23:52:00.000Z-Nomination_of_Portal:Guitar_for_deletion","replies":[],"displayName":"North America"}}-->

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z","author":"Walkerma","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Walkerma-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated John Frusciante for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 15:44, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-23T15:44:00.000Z","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Z1720-2021-10-23T15:44:00.000Z-FAR_for_John_Fruisciante","replies":[]}}-->

The picture here is pretty terrible. Anyone got a better snap of the former Oasis man? Dhalamh (talk) 10:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-01T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Dhalamh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dhalamh-2022-02-01T10:21:00.000Z-Picture_for_Paul_Arthurs_aka_Bonehead","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Black Francis for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 23:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-07T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Zmbro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zmbro-2022-02-07T23:40:00.000Z-FAR_for_Black_Francis","replies":[]}}-->

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z","author":"MediaWiki message delivery","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2022-04-29T16:01:00.000Z-User_script_to_detect_unreliable_sources","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I've been trying to clean up/flesh out information on guitars and basses, more specifically the technical aspects such as materials used for construction, availability, etc. and discovered this project.

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on making an effort to clarify a page being about an individual guitar model such as the Ibanez RG2228 vs a family or series such as the Fender Stratocaster. For a while I was really confused about all of this, because there were different models and variations and I was struggling to determine if the scope of certain Wikipedia articles or Wikidata entities or Wikimedia Commons categories were about general shapes/series or a specific model. Plus add on the whole models of certain years for things like Fender. I don't know if this is making sense, but it can seem very daunting and overwhelming, more for certain brands than others based on how they label or name their guitars. Ibanez for example makes it a bit easier for me to understand with their naming conventions using the series and then the model number.

Let me know if I need to clarify something, since I might be mixing up terms!

Lizzyd710 (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221018152400","author":"Lizzyd710","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lizzyd710-20221018152400-Clarification_on_Models\/Series\/Families","replies":[]}}-->

Would anybody be willing to copyedit Billie Joe Armstrong § Instruments? I started but I don't have sufficient knowledge of guitars to even understand what it is saying half the time. Thanks. –CWenger (^ • @) 01:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221213014800","author":"CWenger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CWenger-20221213014800-Billie_Joe_Armstrong_section_copyedit_needed","replies":[]}}-->

...which just squeaked by at AfD as no consensus no prejudice against re-nom soon. The closer did not want to delete this, and my comments say a lot about how I feel, despite my mild inclination to delete as non-defining. I can't by myself solve any of these issues, and we need some expert eyes to help source all the many unsourced assertions, and I'd say we're looking at at least a hundred needed for bare source each listing. I can't expect miracles, but the page deserves love soon from folks who would love it. BusterD (talk) 21:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230220215200","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BusterD-20230220215200-Need_some_expert_and_loving_assistance_on_List_of_Gibson_players...","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, all! I've been working on an article for Draft:Friedman Amplification and submitted it for review, but it's taking awhile. Is anyone here active in reviewing AfC submissions who can maybe take a look? I'd appreciate it, thanks! Mbinebri (talk) 23:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230331230200","author":"Mbinebri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mbinebri-20230331230200-Draft:Friedman_Amplification","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I've nominated the fairly recently created article Davide Lo Surdo for deletion. The deletion debate is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davide Lo Surdo. Graham87 16:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230703162400","author":"Graham87","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Graham87-20230703162400-Articles_for_deletion_nomination","replies":[],"displayName":"Graham"}}-->

Jeff Hanneman has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240126155600","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Z1720-20240126155600-Good_article_reassessment_for_Jeff_Hanneman","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mike Hall (musician)#Requested move 5 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240405165800","author":"UtherSRG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UtherSRG-20240405165800-Requested_move_at_Talk:Mike_Hall_(musician)#Requested_move_5_April_2024","replies":[]}}-->