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Sm8900 (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618174600","author":"Sm8900","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sm8900-20240618174600-Welcome_to_Wikipedia!-1","replies":[]}}-->

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

See WP:BLP. Statements, starting with the date of birth, need to be sourced or removed.

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Greenman (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240713172700","author":"Greenman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Greenman-20240713172700-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jane_Fine_(July_13)","replies":["c-ChurroCat-20240715142200-Greenman-20240713172700"]}}-->

Hi @Greenman I will leave this comment on the Talk page for Jane Fine, but I've added a reference to nearly every sentence, so I think that the page should be ready to be checked again (by you or any other qualified editor). ChurroCat (talk) 14:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715142200","author":"ChurroCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ChurroCat-20240715142200-Greenman-20240713172700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, ChurroCat! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Greenman (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240713172700","author":"Greenman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Greenman-20240713172700-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jane_Fine_(July_13)-1","replies":[]}}-->

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

way too many primary sources here.

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Theroadislong (talk) 14:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715141900","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theroadislong-20240715141900-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jane_Fine_(July_15)","replies":["c-ChurroCat-20240715142200-Theroadislong-20240715141900","c-ChurroCat-20240715142600-Theroadislong-20240715141900"]}}-->

Hi! Can you clarify about "way too many primary sources"? I believe that this is the opposite, given that I have added references to nearly every sentence (as I was instructed by a previous editor) from secondary sources.

The artist is notable. She is one of a few female artists to have won an individual NEA grant, she is represented by a number of collections, and was an integral part of the Williamsburg art scene from the 1980s onwards. ChurroCat (talk) 14:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715142200","author":"ChurroCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ChurroCat-20240715142200-Theroadislong-20240715141900","replies":[]}}-->

@Theroadislong Can you advise on which primary sources were "too many"? ChurroCat (talk) 14:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715142600","author":"ChurroCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ChurroCat-20240715142600-Theroadislong-20240715141900","replies":["c-Theroadislong-20240715142900-ChurroCat-20240715142600"]}}-->

You have used [1] 12 times for example and there are other instances of profile pages which are primary. Theroadislong (talk) 14:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715142900","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Theroadislong-20240715142900-ChurroCat-20240715142600","replies":["c-Theroadislong-20240715143000-Theroadislong-20240715142900","c-71.249.54.92-20240715143100-Theroadislong-20240715142900"]}}-->

Please wiki link the museums so it is clear that they are notable. Theroadislong (talk) 14:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715143000","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Theroadislong-20240715143000-Theroadislong-20240715142900","replies":["c-71.249.54.92-20240715143100-Theroadislong-20240715143000"]}}-->

Okay, I'll do that, too, if that helps make a case for their notability. 71.249.54.92 (talk) 14:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715143100","author":"71.249.54.92","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-71.249.54.92-20240715143100-Theroadislong-20240715143000","replies":[]}}-->

Okay, I'll change that. 71.249.54.92 (talk) 14:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715143100","author":"71.249.54.92","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-71.249.54.92-20240715143100-Theroadislong-20240715142900","replies":[]}}-->

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jane Fine. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 18:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715183900","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theroadislong-20240715183900-AfC_notification:_Draft:Jane_Fine_has_a_new_comment","replies":[]}}-->

Jane Fine, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Theroadislong (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715195300","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theroadislong-20240715195300-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_Jane_Fine_has_been_accepted","replies":["c-ChurroCat-20240715200100-Theroadislong-20240715195300"]}}-->

Thank you! ChurroCat (talk) 20:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715200100","author":"ChurroCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ChurroCat-20240715200100-Theroadislong-20240715195300","replies":["c-Theroadislong-20240715201400-ChurroCat-20240715200100"]}}-->

For any future edits please request edits with the template {{edit COI}} on the article talk page. Theroadislong (talk) 20:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240715201400","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Theroadislong-20240715201400-ChurroCat-20240715200100","replies":[]}}-->

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SafariScribe was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240723173400","author":"SafariScribe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SafariScribe-20240723173400-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_James_Esber_(July_23)","replies":["c-ChurroCat-20240723174100-SafariScribe-20240723173400"],"displayName":"Safari Scribe"}}-->

Hi! Would you be able to tell me which sources are unreliable? I purposely used sources from JSTOR and Google Books when possible. Many of the websites are art magazines and journals, too. Please let me know and I can revise. Thanks! ChurroCat (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240723174100","author":"ChurroCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ChurroCat-20240723174100-SafariScribe-20240723173400","replies":[]}}-->

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I'm sorry! I honestly thought you were encouraging people to edit it given that you wrote "it's a mistake; fix it yourself." ChurroCat (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240723185400","author":"ChurroCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ChurroCat-20240723185400-SafariScribe-20240723182000","replies":[]}}-->

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