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No more compilations

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Hi.

Regarding edit #606706931:

According to KDE Software Compilation § Fifth series, there are no more compilations, so, IMHO, there should be no more entries in "Software Compilation"
Links to Frameworks 5 (redirect to KDE Frameworks) and KDE Plasma Workspaces 2 (redirect to KDE Plasma Workspaces#Plasma 2) already appear in the navbox; KDE Applications 5 is a red link at this time and, per WP:REDLINK and WP:NAVBOX, must not exist

Best regards,
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Hello there! To me, three links (Frameworks 5, KDE Plasma Workspaces 2 and KDE Applications 5) added in the above mentioned edit are redundant, as two of them are already present in the navbox (as KDE Frameworks and Plasma 2), and the third one is a redlink, which makes no sense in a navbox. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-20T08:06:00.000Z","author":"Dsimic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dsimic-2014-05-20T08:06:00.000Z-Codename_Lisa-2014-05-19T10:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-ScotXW-2014-05-21T12:58:00.000Z-Dsimic-2014-05-20T08:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am aware of that, see Talk:KDE_Software_Compilation#Fifth series. So besides "must not" and bla bla, any suggestions how to apply document the changes? User:ScotXW^t@lk 12:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-21T12:58:00.000Z","author":"ScotXW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ScotXW-2014-05-21T12:58:00.000Z-Dsimic-2014-05-20T08:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dsimic-2014-05-22T07:57:00.000Z-ScotXW-2014-05-21T12:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"User:ScotXW"}}-->

Sorry, I'm having slight troubles in understanding you, but to me it seems that such explanations are better to be left to appropriate articles. Navboxes are just brief collections of links, thus they shouldn't go into historical overviews, additional explanations etc. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:57, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-05-22T07:57:00.000Z","author":"Dsimic","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dsimic-2014-05-22T07:57:00.000Z-ScotXW-2014-05-21T12:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Unclear focus

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I'm not exactly sure what this navbar accomplishes. In the present state, it's a rather large unfocused and sprawling thing which serves mainly to link all articles somehow connected to KDE. This includes some which are, from a user's perspective, clearly KDE-ish, some relevant only to developers (the various libraries that make up the KDE frameworks), some unrelated projects that form the basis of KDE when running on top of unixoid OSes (say X.org, Freedesktop stuff), and tons of articles on various small goodies that come with KDE, are built on top of Qt/KDE, or have some other vague relation to KDE.

In my opinion, we should restrict the contents of the navbox to articles which are 1) notable enough such that they're well-maintained and there's actually stuff to write about and 2) have a clear connection to KDE in that they're considered to be part of the core of KDE and what defines KDE. This obviously excludes Freedesktop etc., which are important foundations but not specific to KDE (should be discussed in the KDE article, not the navbar), and also excludes minor apps such as Kanagramm, which are important in their own right, are part of the KDE ecosystem, but are not what defines KDE (this is what categories are for). So in my opinion, the navbox should focus on KDE integration technologies, very major KDE apps which high user awareness, and core components of the KDE desktop.

Please discuss, I'd rather not make sweeping changes without feedback. Have a happy new year. Marquenterre (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-31T12:11:00.000Z","author":"Marquenterre","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marquenterre-2017-12-31T12:11:00.000Z-Unclear_focus","replies":["c-LTosky-2018-01-16T21:05:00.000Z-Marquenterre-2017-12-31T12:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think that the focus should be based on the meaning of KDE: KDE is the community. A community which is the creators of many products, from Frameworks, Plasma, passing through Calligra, Partitionmanager, Krita, the bundle KDE Applications, etc, up to AtCore and WikiToLearn. Kanagram is a KDE product (distributed with KDE Applications). Plasma is just one of the products (the term "KDE desktop" is not found anywhere on kde.org nowadays). So regarding the applications, either simply list all of them (or their bundles), but the list can be really long, so maybe it's better to add the links to the pages which contains the list. On the other side, special links to things which defines the community, like KDE e.V., the KDE Manifesto, etc, can be kept in the template, so it should not grow too much.--LTosky (talk) 21:05, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-01-16T21:05:00.000Z","author":"LTosky","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LTosky-2018-01-16T21:05:00.000Z-Marquenterre-2017-12-31T12:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->