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Welcome, welcome, welcome Greyjoy! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:51, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

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February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award

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		Citation Barnstar
		This award is given in recognition to Greyjoy for collecting more than 5 points during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's FEB24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240308175500","author":"DreamRimmer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DreamRimmer-20240308175500-February_2024_WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles_backlog_drive_\u2013_award","replies":[]}}-->

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Why are more citations needed on List of Jewish Feminists wiki page?

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It's not clear to me why you added a "More Citations Needed" tag. This page is a list of Jewish feminists each with its own Wiki page where citations are presumably included. I'd like to remove this tag but wanted to understand why you added it. Nnev66 (talk) 22:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240329221800","author":"Nnev66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nnev66-20240329221800-Why_are_more_citations_needed_on_List_of_Jewish_Feminists_wiki_page?","replies":["c-Greyjoy-20240329225500-Nnev66-20240329221800","c-Greyjoy-20240329230600-Nnev66-20240329221800"]}}-->

I would rather not presume that each article has a reliable source. That being said I am willing to remove the tag for now and look into it a bit further, thank you for bringing this up with me. I do appreciate you reaching out. Greyjoy^talk 22:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240329225500","author":"Greyjoy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greyjoy-20240329225500-Nnev66-20240329221800","replies":[]}}-->

The issue with having assuming each article is referenced can be seen with this edit, in which multiple entries fail to include mentions of feminism or being Jewish, yet alone references to support these claims. Greyjoy^talk 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240329230600","author":"Greyjoy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greyjoy-20240329230600-Nnev66-20240329221800","replies":["c-Nnev66-20240402193400-Greyjoy-20240329230600"]}}-->

Thanks for your response! I'm starting to look through these pages to see if there are any that shouldn't be there. A couple are borderline but most look fine to me (I'm only through column one though). I realize this is a grey area. Nnev66 (talk) 19:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240402193400","author":"Nnev66","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nnev66-20240402193400-Greyjoy-20240329230600","replies":[]}}-->

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We can fix it

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See List of fact-checking websites. Most of that stuff was rescuable. That said, I am 2h in, and this list needs much more c/e. See my comments on talk. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240401090400","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Piotrus-20240401090400-We_can_fix_it","replies":[],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->

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Yahya Muhammad Hamid ed-Din

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I want to change the photo in this Yahya Muhammad Hamid ed-Din since it is from memory, and not related to the Imam. It was done by Ameen Rihani. Can we add multiple photos, and the most related to it. Here is a Facebook page that has the correct photo. https://www.facebook.com/Imam.Yahya.Hamidaddin Yousefmhamidaddin (talk) 22:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719220800","author":"Yousefmhamidaddin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yousefmhamidaddin-20240719220800-Yahya_Muhammad_Hamid_ed-Din","replies":["c-Greyjoy-20240720132000-Yousefmhamidaddin-20240719220800"]}}-->

Yousefmhamidaddin you can find information on adding images here. Greyjoy^talk 13:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720132000","author":"Greyjoy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greyjoy-20240720132000-Yousefmhamidaddin-20240719220800","replies":[]}}-->

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Vivian Lee page

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I see a number of problems with the Vivian_Lee#Huntsman_Cancer_Institute_controversy section on the Vivian Lee page, should I put this info in a comment for deletion, what do you think? And maybe just put a reference to David W. Pershing and Mary Beckerle for further info?

- the Huntsman controversy section is highly misleading. Do you have any insight on what happened here? There's no info on what kicked off the controversy (why was Mary Beckerle fired in the first place? Did it have to do with the last paragraph regarding financial transfers? There's certainly an implication there, is that a fair implication? Was there an investigation? Do you have access to those records?).

- Jon Huntsman Sr. comes off poorly and the man is dead and can't defend himself. He used his newspaper to wage a campaign here? Was the online petition independent of his campaign, truly a grass-roots effort? He predicted the governor and the legislature was going to be involved? Seriously? Did the governor or the legislature get involved?

- It's not clear how this reflects on Vivian Lee, there's not any solid information to form an opinion on what actually happened. Did she fire Mary Beckerle without David W. Pershing's consent? Could she do that? Did David W. Pershing ask for the firing? What really happened? Vivian Lee seems to just have moved on after many years at the university (how long do deans normally stay?). The controversy seems to be its own thing.

- In the President's entry (David W. Pershing), it seems like a much smaller thing. Why not move the whole story there instead, if you think this needs to be documented somewhere, with the apparently sub-standard sourcing? Or maybe, in Vivian Lee's and David W. Pershing's entries, refer to the Mary Beckerle entry, which also has a small section on this? Mary Beckerle seems the central character here, no?

- Jon Huntsman Sr.'s own newspaper doesn't seem like appropriate sourcing to corroborate his views, what do you think? Can one use opinion pieces in a self-owned paper as sources on Wikipedia?

As a minor edit, if you really think this section should be in there, the way you've laid out the sections doesn't work well. If anything, the Huntsman section should be a subsection of University of Utah. Right now you have the Verily section as a subsection of the controversy. 71.190.177.176 (talk) 23:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829235600","author":"71.190.177.176","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.190.177.176-20240829235600-Vivian_Lee_page","replies":["c-Greyjoy-20240830065600-71.190.177.176-20240829235600"]}}-->

71.190.177.176 the best place to have this discussion would be on the article's talk page so that other editors can also be involved. I reverted your edit because you removed a large referenced section without explanation.

"why was Mary Beckerle fired in the first place?", I have not had much to do with this article so I can only respond based on a quick look. Wikipedia articles are based on what is available in reliable sources so if the reason that Beckerle was fired has not been covered in a reliable source it will not be included in the article.

"Huntsman Sr. comes off poorly and the man is dead and can't defend himself." Once again articles are based on what is included in reliable sources and a lot of your questions appear to be speculation or original research, neither of which really belongs in an article.

I would suggest taking your questions to the article talk page so that users who have had more to do with this article can weigh in with your inquiries. Greyjoy^talk 06:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830065600","author":"Greyjoy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Greyjoy-20240830065600-71.190.177.176-20240829235600","replies":[]}}-->