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WP:POV pushing

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Stop trying to push WP:FRINGE theories on WorldNetDaily or you will be reported and very likely blocked as a WP:NOTHERE WP:SPA Dronebogus (talk) 12:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831123900","author":"Dronebogus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dronebogus-20220831123900-WP:POV_pushing","replies":["c-Edotor-20220831124600-Dronebogus-20220831123900"]}}-->

Hi there, I think that the sources added are very credible, googles own ref material, and will stand any trial, google.com have manipulated their search result which bing, duckduckgo and brave search have not done. Hence your argument is very weak. And I notice that you go in attack and intimidation mode immediately before factual debate is done which is against Wikipedia editing standards. Edotor (talk) 12:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831124600","author":"Edotor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edotor-20220831124600-Dronebogus-20220831123900","replies":["c-Dronebogus-20220831130200-Edotor-20220831124600"]}}-->

You clearly don’t believe in what WP considers WP:RS so I’m refusing to have a debate you won’t engage in fairly per WP rules. You can either stop POV warring or face consequences. Dronebogus (talk) 13:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831130200","author":"Dronebogus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dronebogus-20220831130200-Edotor-20220831124600","replies":["c-Edotor-20220831130800-Dronebogus-20220831130200"]}}-->

Ok, you got the option for factual debate, but because of your choice this will according to wikipedia standards go to the next level in the recommendation on disputes. Edotor (talk) 13:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831130800","author":"Edotor","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Edotor-20220831130800-Dronebogus-20220831130200","replies":["c-Dronebogus-20220831131200-Edotor-20220831130800"]}}-->

I don’t know what that means, besides “debate me bro” which I told you I’m not doing because that’s not how it works. Dronebogus (talk) 13:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831131200","author":"Dronebogus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Dronebogus-20220831131200-Edotor-20220831130800","replies":["c-Edotor-20220831133700-Dronebogus-20220831131200"]}}-->

Believe me am 45 years old and a software engineer and software architect for over 20 years, and I am not interested in unnecessary debate, but when I try to do what wikipedia encourages:

Help:Contents -> Edit an article and when I see that you as a experienced editor does not follow wikipedia protocol you make me confused.

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Follow the normal protocol have set how conflicts should be handled. There are a number of set rules there ...

Please confirm if you agree with everything stated in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. If you do not agree with those then we stop right there.

The most efficient way would be to have a short audio or video conversation to avoid time waste, that would save both yours and my time. I am on google meet: meet.google.com/myu-ptxk-did, pls notify when your are available.

I have added a POV tag on the article since this has become apparent with the reference to this talk page. Edotor (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831133700","author":"Edotor","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Edotor-20220831133700-Dronebogus-20220831131200","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Doug, thank you for joining. I tried to add a google reference asserting an existing claim in the article. Two editors jumped on this immediately without following recommended wikipedia guidelines:

"There are many methods on Wikipedia for resolving disputes. Most methods are not formal processes and do not involve third-party intervention. Respond to all disputes or grievances, in the first instance, by approaching the editor or editors concerned and explaining which of their edits you object to and why you object. Use the article talk page or their user talk page to do so; be civil, polite, and always assume good faith."

Is this article informally locked for adding views that is corroborated outside wikipedia? Edotor (talk) 13:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831134600","author":"Edotor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edotor-20220831134600-Doug_Weller-20220831133500","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank u for the quick reply, and thank u for the information on the three-revert rule, however since this was heavily guarded article, what facts are allowed to be added if they are corroborated outside wikipedia? I realize since facts are disputed I will use the talk page to do contributions on this article, I hope that can work. Edotor (talk) 13:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831135900","author":"Edotor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edotor-20220831135900-Doug_Weller-20220831135400","replies":[]}}-->

BTW, who can add POV bias on an article, is there a grading/pass criteria before you can add that? Edotor (talk) 14:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831140500","author":"Edotor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edotor-20220831140500-Doug_Weller-20220831135400","replies":["c-Doug_Weller-20220901080700-Edotor-20220831140500"]}}-->

No grading/pass criteria. We need sources that are reliably published, see Wikipedia:Verifiability and WP:RS. Doug Weller talk 08:07, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220901080700","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-20220901080700-Edotor-20220831140500","replies":[]}}-->

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Never try to edit closed Arbitration cases

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Closed means closed. Doug Weller talk 08:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220901081000","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-20220901081000-Never_try_to_edit_closed_Arbitration_cases","replies":["c-Edotor-20220901081300-Doug_Weller-20220901081000"]}}-->

Thank u. Got it. Edotor (talk) 08:13, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220901081300","author":"Edotor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Edotor-20220901081300-Doug_Weller-20220901081000","replies":[]}}-->

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Talk page etiquette

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Just a quick FYI about WP:TALK#REVISE, to note that it's typically preferred not to edit talk page comments after you have been replied to, like in this edit. I don't think you meant any harm by it as you were clearly copy-editing, just wanted to draw your attention to it in the future, and take this opportunity to recommend a double-check prior to clicking submit. Thank you! Bakkster Man (talk) 13:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220902135000","author":"Bakkster Man","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bakkster_Man-20220902135000-Talk_page_etiquette","replies":[]}}-->