I would like to second Daniel's closing statement at this DRV. I found your commentary very helpful and well-argued and I hope it will give guidance to many others as to how the G4 criterion should be interpreted. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240805084700","author":"Sjakkalle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sjakkalle-20240805084700-Thanks!","replies":[]}}-->

Perhaps I've forgotten how to find prior deletions, but this article that you just moved to Draft, and it's prior deletion is not showing a reason in our Curation tools. That's why I created the TP - to allow some discussion about what is happening. Atsme 💬 📧 14:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240901145100","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Atsme-20240901145100-BTW_-_logs","replies":["c-Cryptic-20240901150000-Atsme-20240901145100"]}}-->

They should show up if you go to the page where it was actually deleted, 2024 FIBA 3x3 U23 World Cup – Men's tournament. (And if not, they're definitely here.)

Anyway, I followed up on the talk page of the user who pasted it there, as it wasn't their first cut and paste move. —Cryptic 15:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240901150000","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20240901150000-Atsme-20240901145100","replies":["c-Atsme-20240901161600-Cryptic-20240901150000"]}}-->

Oh, I see what happened now. I was looking for a deleted article (AfD) when it was actually moved to Draft. Thank you! Atsme 💬 📧 16:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240901161600","author":"Atsme","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Atsme-20240901161600-Cryptic-20240901150000","replies":[]}}-->

here and apologies if my first template set the bot off to begin with. I wish our robot overlords ate problem editors! Star Mississippi 02:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917023400","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20240917023400-Thanks_for_the_laugh","replies":["c-Cryptic-20240917025300-Star_Mississippi-20240917023400"],"displayName":"Star"}}-->

It was me moving the templates around that set it off. Not entirely surprising, but since it's also an AnomieBot that splatters the irritating redundant {{pp}}'s all over pages that get protected, I was hoping for some lenience. —Cryptic 02:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917025300","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20240917025300-Star_Mississippi-20240917023400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Closer of The Peel Club DRV declined to output atrribution history as text--said to talk to original deleter--and so did the original deleter--said that I should have done it while the page was still up and now they don't want to mess with it; said that I might find someone else to do it. It makes sense to say that I should have done it anticipating the page's re-deletion. But I first envisioned a redirect with history kept. User:SmokeyJoe also recommended that, noting that the page has been irreversibly merged. You noted that an alternative method is available (presumably a talk subpage with the history as text). Would you ehhm do the needful? —Alalch E. 09:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917092100","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20240917092100-Merge_of_The_Peel_Club_into_Glasgow_University_Conservative_Association","replies":["c-Cryptic-20240917135200-Alalch_E.-20240917092100"]}}-->

A list of authors is sufficient - WP:attribution does not require blame; WP:Copying within Wikipedia#Repairing insufficient attribution. You could get a full list of editors from the api even as a nonadmin (like so; sandbox), but I'll pare that down a bit by removing non-content edits: Hellenistic accountant, Cylinder8837 and Paul W up to the afd; DowryOfMary, Paul W, Hellenistic accountant and Alalch E. for the recreation over the {{tempundelete}} during DRV. The two versions appear textually unrelated at a glance, but it wouldn't be burdensome to attribute Cylinder8837 too. —Cryptic 13:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917135200","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20240917135200-Alalch_E.-20240917092100","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20240917220000-Cryptic-20240917135200"]}}-->

Thank you. I did this: Special:Diff/1246261416. Do I need to put this text anywhere else? (e: put it directly on the talk page too) —Alalch E. 22:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240917220000","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20240917220000-Cryptic-20240917135200","replies":["c-Cryptic-20240918124100-Alalch_E.-20240917220000"]}}-->

Usually it's put in an edit summary in the merged-to page. —Cryptic 12:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240918124100","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cryptic-20240918124100-Alalch_E.-20240917220000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Cryptic, as I've mentioned at the EFN discussion, I'm here to request 3 filtered queries to get me started. 1. Can you make one that lets me see redirects of a specific year? 2. Can you make one that lists redirects with a certain word in the title? (Example: Since I've got experience categorizing Journal redirects, I'd start with one having Journal or journal in the title.) 3. Can you make one that lets me see redirects that redirect to an article that is in a specific category or its subcategories? (Example: If I want to see redirects to articles in this cat or in its subcats.) Thanks for taking a look at this. Nobody (talk) 05:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016054100","author":"1AmNobody24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-1AmNobody24-20241016054100-Redirect_query","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241016055400-1AmNobody24-20241016054100"],"displayName":"Nobody"}}-->

Yes to all three. The second is easiest. The third is fastest and most natural, at least for a specific category; once you start asking for entire category trees, things can break very quickly - many categories eventually include nearly every other category as a descendant. The first is the slowest, and most awkward, and probably not terribly useful. It's not in general detectable when a page was made a redirect, at least not before the "new redirect" tag existed; the timestamps of the first and last edit can be found, but aren't necessarily relevant, and they're no help in narrowing down the query - every single uncategorized redirect in mainspace needs to be found first, and then filtered for its timestamps.

If you've got lists of words or regexes to search for in the titles, or categories (and depths in their trees), I can take a look in maybe twelve hours; it's late here. Also WP:RAQ is better for this than my talk page, though it's still likely to be me answering. —Cryptic 05:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016055400","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241016055400-1AmNobody24-20241016054100","replies":["c-1AmNobody24-20241016055700-Cryptic-20241016055400"]}}-->

Thanks, I'll put some things together and list it at WP:RAQ. Nobody (talk) 05:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016055700","author":"1AmNobody24","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-1AmNobody24-20241016055700-Cryptic-20241016055400","replies":[],"displayName":"Nobody"}}-->

You seem unusually crotchety tonight. Everything ok? Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:39, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027213900","author":"Spartaz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spartaz-20241027213900-Checking_in","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241027215200-Spartaz-20241027213900"]}}-->

Maybe a bit short on sleep, but mostly irritated by OwenX's claim that talking to the deleting admin first is not just required, but policy, when it's deliberately not even process.

And now irritated that WT:DRV's archives are screwy and mostly unlinked from WT:DRV itself and not linked from each other at all, and I can't find the last discussion about it. But the gist of the most recent consensus is, if I remember it correctly (and that's a big if) - that some editors would be intimidated into not asking for review at all if they had to go to the same person who deleted their page and who they see as an antagonist and let them gatekeep. —Cryptic 21:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027215200","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241027215200-Spartaz-20241027213900","replies":["c-Spartaz-20241027215800-Cryptic-20241027215200"]}}-->

I think I see it differently but agree that DRVs essence is providing a credible fair platform to reassess decisions. That said, you seem to have upset Frank Anchor further down the page and that’s not usually your style. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027215800","author":"Spartaz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Spartaz-20241027215800-Cryptic-20241027215200","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241027221300-Spartaz-20241027215800"]}}-->

Oh. I'd not commented there for a day and a half, so didn't think that's what you were talking about. Genuinely crotchety about the continued attempts to make unanimous three-week-long deletion discussions unable to delete pages, when the initial reason for WP:NOQUORUM was to stop people closing them as no consensus. (Archive I was looking for was at Wikipedia talk:Deletion review/Archives/2020/September, fwiw. Whose bright idea was it to set it up so it's mostly one section per archive page? Sheesh.) —Cryptic 22:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027221300","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241027221300-Spartaz-20241027215800","replies":["c-Spartaz-20241027221800-Cryptic-20241027221300"]}}-->

Its been that way since the very beginning. Its driven me mad for over a decade. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027221800","author":"Spartaz","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Spartaz-20241027221800-Cryptic-20241027221300","replies":["c-Spartaz-20241027221900-Spartaz-20241027221800"]}}-->

Gosh its 18 years since I started contributing to DRV. No wonder I feel so out of synch myself. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027221900","author":"Spartaz","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Spartaz-20241027221900-Spartaz-20241027221800","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241027222400-Spartaz-20241027221900"]}}-->

Ha. I managed to find WP:VFU within my first week after registering. [1] —Cryptic 22:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027222400","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241027222400-Spartaz-20241027221900","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20241028003400-Cryptic-20241027222400","c-Spartaz-20241031210500-Cryptic-20241027222400"]}}-->

I say delete the NOQUORUM shortcut and eradicate any instance of the word "quorum" in PAGs (no significant instances that I'm aware of; it's in that section's header however, and headers should merely describe and not color the actual content too much even in policy pages). It's unhelpful figurative language. —Alalch E. 00:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241028003400","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20241028003400-Cryptic-20241027222400","replies":[]}}-->

Now that is impressive :-) Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031210500","author":"Spartaz","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Spartaz-20241031210500-Cryptic-20241027222400","replies":[]}}-->

My copy of https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/79597 no longer works for me. I get zero editors. Did something change? Did I forget to do something? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106194600","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-20241106194600-Broken_query","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241106225200-WhatamIdoing-20241106194600"]}}-->

Probably because Category:All WikiProject Medicine articles is empty (and deleted) now. —Cryptic 22:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106225200","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241106225200-WhatamIdoing-20241106194600","replies":["c-WhatamIdoing-20241106232900-Cryptic-20241106225200"]}}-->

Oh, of course. It's "pages" instead of "articles" now. Thanks. I've got my list. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106232900","author":"WhatamIdoing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WhatamIdoing-20241106232900-Cryptic-20241106225200","replies":[]}}-->

Happy adminship anniversary! Hi Cryptic! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of your successful request for adminship. Enjoy this special day! Adr28382 (Talk to me!) 13:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112134700","author":"Adr28382","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adr28382-20241112134700-Happy_Adminship_Anniversary!","replies":[]}}-->

Declining a CSD nomination is exactly why I believe that CSD must be a dual key event. Each of us has a firm idea and I am content that the mop and bucket overrule the editor proposing CSD. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112184500","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241112184500-Thank_you","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241112190600-Timtrent-20241112184500"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

You might be interested in this edit I just made to WP:CSD. I'd been mulling it a while; that decline is what pushed me over the edge. —Cryptic 19:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112190600","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241112190600-Timtrent-20241112184500","replies":["c-Timtrent-20241112191600-Cryptic-20241112190600"]}}-->

Good thoughts which need to be pushed out to the community as a whole, most assuredly to admins. As we continue we get better, usually 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241112191600","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241112191600-Cryptic-20241112190600","replies":[],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

Wishing Cryptic a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Best wishes! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC) right|80px[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119222400","author":"DaniloDaysOfOurLives","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DaniloDaysOfOurLives-20241119222400-Happy_(Belated)_Adminship_Anniversary!","replies":[]}}-->

P.S. I am so sorry for the lateness. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119222400","author":"DaniloDaysOfOurLives","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DaniloDaysOfOurLives-20241119222400-Happy_(Belated)_Adminship_Anniversary!-1","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for taking a look at File:John Adams - A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America Vol. II. (1787.jpg.

If you're still up and about, I'm wondering whether you could also take a look at File:Dubai Towers Istanbul.gif and File:Houston Tower.gif. Neither file has any source information or a copyright license, but the uploader has already removed the speedy deletion template once. It's also unclear whether they're official images or just made up stuff; so, I'm not sure they could even be converted to PD or non-free. The uploader also keeps wanting them to be displayed at their full-size in Houston Tower and Dubai Towers Istanbul which seems way too big for Wikipedia's purposes. I tried to make the images display smaller once, but was reverted. I've made them smaller again, but am not sure whether there's another better way to do the same thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128013300","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20241128013300-File:John_Adams_-_A_Defence_of_the_Constitutions_of_Government_of_the_United_Sta","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241128014100-Marchjuly-20241128013300"]}}-->

Neither have any encyclopedic value, and should just be removed from the articles regardless of size. The first one's going to eventually be speedied as an F4. Second might be pd-simple, but I wouldn't raise a ruckus over its eventual F4 meatbot deletion, and would take it to FFD if it were declined. —Cryptic 01:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128014100","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241128014100-Marchjuly-20241128013300","replies":["c-Marchjuly-20241128064700-Cryptic-20241128014100"]}}-->

Thanks for taking a look a these. FWIW, I also asked about this yesterday at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture#Images for never-built skyscrapers and so far at least one other person feels the images should be removed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128064700","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20241128064700-Cryptic-20241128014100","replies":[]}}-->

I promise, there will be a day when I link correctly and don't otherwise break syntax and you don't have to clean up behind me. In the interim, feel free and with my gratitude. Thanks for all you always do. Star Mississippi 23:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241130234200","author":"Star Mississippi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Star_Mississippi-20241130234200-Thank_you!","replies":[],"displayName":"Star"}}-->

Just wanted to say thanks for blocking that IP on the December 5th page. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205220200","author":"Onegreatjoke","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Onegreatjoke-20241205220200-Thanks!_2","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241205220400-Onegreatjoke-20241205220200"]}}-->

WP:AIV would've gotten a faster response. —Cryptic 22:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241205220400","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241205220400-Onegreatjoke-20241205220200","replies":[]}}-->

Good decline. Seconds ahead of me. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 11:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216110500","author":"Deepfriedokra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Deepfriedokra-20241216110500-User:Rakib_Uddin_Amin\/sandbox","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241216111000-Deepfriedokra-20241216110500"],"displayName":"-- Deepfriedokra"}}-->

I just don't get how attempting to write a biography, using the template outline we provide for new users to attempt to write biographies, is unrelated to Wikipedia's purpose. Yeah, it's an autobiography and will probably turn into a resume once there's more than just a name and a birthdate filled in, but the one's not forbidden and the other hasn't happened yet. —Cryptic 11:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216111000","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241216111000-Deepfriedokra-20241216110500","replies":[]}}-->

You were a bit hasty in your deletion of the Smarty LLC page. I was working on further information and the page was deleted by the time I tried to publish the update. Jknacnud (talk) 23:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224235100","author":"Jknacnud","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jknacnud-20241224235100-Deletion_of_Smarty_LLC","replies":["c-Cryptic-20241225000400-Jknacnud-20241224235100"]}}-->

More "critical acclaim sources" like https://www.bbb.org/us/ut/provo/profile/computer-software/smarty-llc-1166-90024722 and https://www.techbuzznews.com/smarty/, I take it?

I'm not going to reverse this. Avenue for formal appeal is Wikipedia:Deletion review, if you want to go that route. —Cryptic 00:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241225000400","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20241225000400-Jknacnud-20241224235100","replies":["c-Jknacnud-20241225015800-Cryptic-20241225000400"]}}-->

Certainly those were a couple links, but there is far more content. Perhaps I will just complete the article in a separate document before posting it to Wikipedia, since editing in place apparently makes it ripe for gleaning by moderators that are hungry for speedy deletion fodder. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jknacnud (talk • contribs) 01:58, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241225015800","author":"Jknacnud","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jknacnud-20241225015800-Cryptic-20241225000400","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you so much for your assistance. I did not realize the version in my drafts was the original article with the entire edit history from 2005 and remade the article on my own. My mistake! lullabying (talk) 05:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107051400","author":"Lullabying","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lullabying-20250107051400-Mink_(manga)","replies":["c-Cryptic-20250107052300-Lullabying-20250107051400"]}}-->

No, you did right. There's no reason to retain the old history if your creation was independent of it. —Cryptic 05:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107052300","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20250107052300-Lullabying-20250107051400","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, this notice is for everyone who took part in the 2018 RfC on lists of airline destinations. I have started a new RfC on the subject. If you would like to participate please follow this link: Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not § RfC on WP:NOT and British Airways destinations. Sunnya343 (talk) 00:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108004800","author":"Sunnya343","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sunnya343-20250108004800-RFC_Notice","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Cryptic,

I noticed your comment on AN that deletion/block logs only were started on December 22, 2004, at least on the log page you shared. Do you happen to know what was done to keep track of this information before December 22, 2004? I realize that this was before you started editing on Wikipedia but you seem to have a good institutional memory and thought you might know the answer. Thanks for any insight you can provide. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109031700","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-20250109031700-Query","replies":["c-Liz-20250109032000-Liz-20250109031700"]}}-->

I see that we have Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Deletion log/November 2004 (3) but do the logs go back before November 2004? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109032000","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liz-20250109032000-Liz-20250109031700","replies":["c-Cryptic-20250109033000-Liz-20250109032000"]}}-->

There's an index at Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Deletion log, and of other logs and similar pages at Wikipedia:Historical archive. I actually was editing then as an IP, but wasn't paying any attention to the administrative side until shortly before I registered - I don't know if this information was only ever manually recorded (it seems unlikely) or was in some other sort of log that was later transcribed onto these pages. There's probably admins listed in those logs that are still active; maybe one of them remembers. —Cryptic 03:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250109033000","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cryptic-20250109033000-Liz-20250109032000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @Cryptic, I am keen on working on Keshab Sigdel article. Can you restore it as a Draft so that I can work on it? The Wikimedian who had created it mainly contributes to his native language Wikipedia and reached out to me for help with this. - Satdeep Gill (talk • contribs 11:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110114400","author":"Satdeep Gill","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Satdeep_Gill-20250110114400-Restore_Keshab_Sigdel_as_a_Draft","replies":["c-Cryptic-20250110115100-Satdeep_Gill-20250110114400"]}}-->

I've restored it (Draft:Keshab Sigdel), but it's going to need urgent remedial action. —Cryptic 11:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250110115100","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cryptic-20250110115100-Satdeep_Gill-20250110114400","replies":[]}}-->