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I was a long-time reader and lurker (since 2003). I appreciate the Five pillars and the idea of open knowledge, and want to give something back; this is why I began editing in 2021. I'd like to receive your feedback on anything I've done. Expect a reply! :)

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Thanks for your work on Helianthus devernii and for getting it to DYK. —  AjaxSmack  05:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240718054100","author":"AjaxSmack","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AjaxSmack-20240718054100-Helianthus_devernii","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20240718110300-AjaxSmack-20240718054100"]}}-->

Thanks, I'm happy about that article's progress. It's a nice topic. —Alalch E. 11:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240718110300","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20240718110300-AjaxSmack-20240718054100","replies":[]}}-->

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You recently created a new article (Bob Kindred). Maybe it could be renamed to Robert Bob Kindred? Just because the last two words of his name aren't the best title. Or Robert Hamilton Bob Kindred, though that could be too long. Loymdayddaud (talk) 10:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829105200","author":"Loymdayddaud","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Loymdayddaud-20240829105200-Your_new_article","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20240829111400-Loymdayddaud-20240829105200"]}}-->

Hello. It should be Bob Kindred per WP:NICKNAME, because he was predominanly called Bob, not Robert. (Bob is derived from Robert) —Alalch E. 11:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829111400","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20240829111400-Loymdayddaud-20240829105200","replies":["c-Loymdayddaud-20240829122600-Alalch_E.-20240829111400"]}}-->

Ah, okay. Loymdayddaud (talk) 12:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829122600","author":"Loymdayddaud","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Loymdayddaud-20240829122600-Alalch_E.-20240829111400","replies":[]}}-->

The creating editor is in need of some sensitive help in order to understand Wikipedia. Perhaps you will be the person to help them. The topic may be proven to be notable, which will be a useful thing. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902163200","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Timtrent-20240902163200-Thank_you_for_your_work_in_Draft:Karin_van_der_Laag","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20240902165600-Timtrent-20240902163200"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

Thanks, I share your sentiment of being sensitive to autobiographers who are new to editing and hope for a resolution based on understanding. It seems like it will be hard to demonstrate notability, however. —Alalch E. 16:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902165600","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20240902165600-Timtrent-20240902163200","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Alalch E., I noticed your edits to The Peel Club article. As you may be aware, this has been a contentious subject, with the article previously proposed for deletion (I contributed to the AfD discussion) and then subject to an (ongoing) deletion review (link). Thank you for your edits. Paul W (talk) 12:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904124100","author":"Paul W","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paul_W-20240904124100-Peel_Club","replies":["c-Paul_W-20240904124800-Paul_W-20240904124100"]}}-->

Just noticed that you are more than aware of the above. :-) Paul W (talk) 12:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904124800","author":"Paul W","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Paul_W-20240904124800-Paul_W-20240904124100","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20240904135700-Paul_W-20240904124800"]}}-->

Thanks. What to say... Hoping for a constructive resolution based on understanding. —Alalch E. 13:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904135700","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20240904135700-Paul_W-20240904124800","replies":["c-Paul_W-20240905142300-Alalch_E.-20240904135700"]}}-->

Excellent work on merging the article and countering the original editor's arguments - Well done! Paul W (talk) 14:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905142300","author":"Paul W","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Paul_W-20240905142300-Alalch_E.-20240904135700","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20240905143300-Paul_W-20240905142300"]}}-->

Thank you! And thanks for your significant improvements to the content. —Alalch E. 14:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905143300","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20240905143300-Paul_W-20240905142300","replies":[]}}-->

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 Note: This is about the HBS Wikivoyage test wiki and is not enwiki related

Hej vidim da si ostao još samo ovdje aktivan. Ja sam isto spustio aktivnost skoro svugdje.

Jel ima šanse da se raktiviraš na HBS Wy Inkubatoru u sezoni 2024-2025?

Htio bi da pođemo javno prije godišnjice u proljeće 2025. za CEE Spring  ;-) Zblace (talk) 09:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928090200","author":"Zblace","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zblace-20240928090200-InCUBATORiranje","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20241005171500-Zblace-20240928090200"]}}-->

@Zblace: Ima šanse. Reaktiviraću se. Razmišljao sam malo ovih dana, i imam neke ideje šta bi trebalo učiniti, vjerovatno pokoja policy stranica i iščistiti ako ima zaostalog sadržaja na engleskom. Stvarno ne znam sad oko onog listing šablona, tu se moram sjetiti dokle se stiglo, ako se uopšte imam čega sjetiti. Vidimo se tamo uskoro.—Alalch E. 17:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241005171500","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20241005171500-Zblace-20240928090200","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article StoneToss you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Lazman321 -- Lazman321 (talk) 17:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002170100","author":"Lazman321","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lazman321-20241002170100-Your_GA_nomination_of_StoneToss","replies":[]}}-->

The article StoneToss you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:StoneToss and Talk:StoneToss/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Lazman321 -- Lazman321 (talk) 16:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241004162100","author":"Lazman321","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lazman321-20241004162100-Your_GA_nomination_of_StoneToss_2","replies":[]}}-->

I'm not comfortable with making an account or talking on here i just wanna put correct info and stuff on here thanks to EmperorTigerstar's video on Yugoslavia is all. 2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008163700","author":"2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA-20241008163700-Stop_changing_what_I'm_doing.","replies":[]}}-->

What is your reasoning to do what you did when I said I'm not comfortable making my own account on here and people like you telling me what to do? 2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA (talk) 17:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008171400","author":"2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA-20241008171400-Stop_changing_what_I'm_doing.","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20241009012000-2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA-20241008171400"]}}-->

Wikipedia is not about what you want and are comfortable with. The purpose of Wikipedia is to provide useful articles for readers. This website attracts free labor from interested individuals who want to help other people gain access to free knowledge. To recruit such people, Wikipedia advertises itself as an "encyclopedia that anyone can edit", grants editing privileges to most people on the planet, such as you, and tells them to wp:be bold in their pursuits. They have an opportunity to donate their time and energy, but they don't have a right to ask anything from Wikipedia. It's a one-way street. If someone just does things they want to do and their desires are not converting into meaningful contributions, their editing privileges get revoked. This could happen to you. So far, you have been doing things that you want to do but have not been making valid contributions.

"Anyone can edit" is not "everyone can make the changes they want and prevent others from undoing those changes". The most fundamental principles of Wikipedia are the wp:five pillars. The third pillar says that editors need to seek wp:consensus; should conflicts arise, they need to discuss on the appropriate talk page; they need to follow wp:dispute resolution. From these fundamental principles issue other, also important principles, elaborated into policies. They are sets of codified best practices with wide acceptance among editors, and they describe standards all users should normally follow, including you.

Whether you have or will make an account is irrelevant. All of this is the same for all editors. Not having an account is normal. You can participate on talk pages and participate in dispute resolution without an account. Not having an account restricts you from some things, but it does not exclude you from following the principles of Wikipedia. Preventative action can be taken to cause you to become unable to do what you have been doing even if you do not have an account.

Among the policies is (the rather essential-sounding) wp:Editing policy. If your desired change has proven controversial and you want to prevail in the dispute, you need to to make a make a proposal on the talk page. Again, no one cares what you're comfortable with. It isn't about you. Bold editing does not excuse edits against existing consensus or edits in violation of the wp:core content policies. If someone indicates disagreement with your bold edit by reverting it or contesting it in a talk page discussion, you need to consider your options and respond appropriately. The go-to option is called the wp:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. If your edit has been reverted, but you want it to stick, and a discussion has not been started, you need to start it.

Repeatedly overriding each other's contributions is called wp:edit warring. It is forbidden.

That's the reasoning. This is not just my opinion. It's how it is on Wikipedia, so consider yourself informed. Sincerely —Alalch E. 01:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009012000","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20241009012000-2601:243:1A00:4510:4964:50C6:E4B6:CDFA-20241008171400","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful analysis of the relevant notability criteria with special regard to this article. I appreciate your involvement. I feel I cannot contribute more than a neutral stance to this discussion, becuase of my involvement with helping the creating editor. You have improved my understanding of the points you have analysed, and I will use that to inform my own thought processes better in the future.

I will watch the outcome of the discussion with interest. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016210200","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241016210200-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Karin_Van_Der_Laag_(2nd_nomination)","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20241016211700-Timtrent-20241016210200"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

You're welcome. I was very close to entering a neutral !vote myself. —Alalch E. 21:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016211700","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20241016211700-Timtrent-20241016210200","replies":[]}}-->

I simply aded a second citation to the details of his injuries prior to death. That second citation is quite valid and should stand. --15:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC) Giacomo1968 (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019155300","author":"Giacomo1968","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Giacomo1968-20241019155300-Killing_of_Yahya_Sinwar","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20241019155400-Giacomo1968-20241019155300"]}}-->

There's no point in accumulating citations for information that is already supported by a reference, in this case, a very solid BBC source. That doesn't help the reader verify information. —Alalch E. 15:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019155400","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20241019155400-Giacomo1968-20241019155300","replies":["c-Giacomo1968-20241019155800-Alalch_E.-20241019155400"]}}-->

Multiple citations beyond 2 are over-citations. Adding a second citation is valid because one validates the other. --15:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC) Giacomo1968 (talk) 15:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019155800","author":"Giacomo1968","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Giacomo1968-20241019155800-Alalch_E.-20241019155400","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20241019155900-Giacomo1968-20241019155800"]}}-->

No, one does not validate the other, where did you get this from? The point is to enable the reader to see the source of the information. This is not contentious information. —Alalch E. 15:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019155900","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20241019155900-Giacomo1968-20241019155800","replies":["c-Giacomo1968-20241019160100-Alalch_E.-20241019155900"]}}-->

What you edited it to — putting the second citation deeper in the text — is fair and valid. Thank you! --16:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC) Giacomo1968 (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019160100","author":"Giacomo1968","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Giacomo1968-20241019160100-Alalch_E.-20241019155900","replies":["c-Alalch_E.-20241019160600-Giacomo1968-20241019160100"]}}-->

You're welcome, and thanks for reaching out. I also summarized the content in the lead to avoid repetition of the exact same phrasing in the lead and the body. —Alalch E. 16:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019160600","author":"Alalch E.","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Alalch_E.-20241019160600-Giacomo1968-20241019160100","replies":[]}}-->

The article StoneToss you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:StoneToss for comments about the article, and Talk:StoneToss/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Lazman321 -- Lazman321 (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019174200","author":"Lazman321","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lazman321-20241019174200-Your_GA_nomination_of_StoneToss_3","replies":[]}}-->