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@Bogong: Howdy, thanks for applying your expertise to the Austal article. There were a few issues, which I addressed with my trailing edit, but your addition lacks references. Would you be so kind to provide your sources? Thanks! →‎ GS →‎ ☎ → 14:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-03-28T14:02:00.000Z","author":"GrapefruitSculpin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GrapefruitSculpin-2018-03-28T14:02:00.000Z-Recent_addition_to_Austal","replies":[],"displayName":"GS"}}-->

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Hello Grapefruit. I have no trouble with your modifications to the paragraph I wrote on the Austal page, except that you have removed my reference to Gross Tons and replaced it with (conventional) tons. In non military shipping, especially in relation to ferries and cruise liners Gross Tonnage is the standard measurement of a ships capacity. Note that it is a measure of the enclosed volume of a ship, NOT it's weight (or displacement). Because fast multi hull ferries are relatively light but have a lot of enclosed space, the number of Gross Tons is usually many times the displacement tonnage, so in that sense your edit wildly distorts the standard measure of gross tonnage.

I added my single background paragraph because while the majority of Austal built ships are ferries, the vast majority of the page is about Austal's naval and defense products, so I though the fast ferries they built should at least receive a few lines. What I wrote about the first decade of large, fast multi hull ferries in the 1990s is widely known within the ship building and ferry industries (feel free to ask absolutely anyone). So I can easily track down published references for these widely known facts (note I didn't add any opinion or analysis of Austal or the industry). However I don't see much point in spending an hour or two finding published sources so I can footnote things if there is a "gatekeeper" of the wikipedia page who will delete it. So you have my word that I'll footnote my little paragraph if it is substantially unaltered for a month (with the obvious exceptions of someone expanding it and hopefully you reverting tonnage to Gross tonnage). Thanks for your work. --Bogong (talk) 09:38, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

please note to survive the list needs a category (broader generic is fine) a lead sentence and a project tag on the talk page - these are fundamental elements that keep the ... whatevers... away JarrahTree 15:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-12T15:24:00.000Z","author":"JarrahTree","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JarrahTree-2018-05-12T15:24:00.000Z-thanks_for_your_list_of_shipyards","replies":[]}}-->

If only - there were powers that be - this is a weird and wonderful place - and being the instigator of the maritime history project I have never thought of myself as the powers that be in third person, I am just another editor. Please understand there are no powers that be - just other people - and most of us (I cannot speak for all the others) are just other people at their computers editing wikipedia. Thanks for your efforts, it would be great to see more editing...

JarrahTree is just a user name of a real live person (mine) - not a power or third person computer generated logarithm. cheers JarrahTree 23:11, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-12T23:11:00.000Z","author":"JarrahTree","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JarrahTree-2018-05-12T23:11:00.000Z-thanks_for_your_list_of_shipyards","replies":["c-JarrahTree-2018-05-13T07:49:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2018-05-12T23:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

hate to dissapoint you but I am not an administrator, and sorry to think your earlier editing experience has not been encouraging enough to call me suprisingly polite! JarrahTree 07:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-05-13T07:49:00.000Z","author":"JarrahTree","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JarrahTree-2018-05-13T07:49:00.000Z-JarrahTree-2018-05-12T23:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

We could include all the mining companies in this category. But wouldn't it be better just to include those with some particular historical significance? Rathfelder (talk) 14:44, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-07-15T14:44:00.000Z","author":"Rathfelder","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rathfelder-2018-07-15T14:44:00.000Z-Category:History_of_mining","replies":["c-JarrahTree-2018-07-15T14:48:00.000Z-Rathfelder-2018-07-15T14:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

page watcher - I am concerned that I have found vast numbers of categories with mining in the title of the category and no sign of anything to do with mining project on the talk page...

the parallel with history mining and mining companies question raised - determining historical significance of mining companies could be quite tricky imho. JarrahTree 14:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-07-15T14:48:00.000Z","author":"JarrahTree","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JarrahTree-2018-07-15T14:48:00.000Z-Rathfelder-2018-07-15T14:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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