Here Zhao Mengfu depicts the changing seasons with profound vibrancy and delicacy. The artist brought the work to his friend Zhou Mi—who had been exiled for refusing to work in the Mongol-controlled court—in hopes of comforting him with a reminder of the home to which he will never return. Autumn Colors on the Qiao and Hua Mountains, Zhao Mengfu, 1295

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You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. - I see that yu are busy, - will you still do the GA review? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241003122300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241003122300-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

I thought of you when I saw this Monument to the Genius of Beethoven (Dem Genius Beethovens). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006204500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241006204500-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

Of course I also thought of you for the songs by Hildegard of Bingen. Today Rohan de Saram - unbelievable story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007222400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241007222400-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

Today I remember an organist who was pictured on the Main page on his birthday ten years ago, and I found two recent organ concerts to match, - see top of my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011194300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241011194300-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

Today brought a timely promotion of Helmut Bauer to the Main page on the day when pieces from Mozart's Requiem were performed for him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012180600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241012180600-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016084800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241016084800-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

My story today is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on a psalm some thousand years old, - so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020174900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241020174900-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031231900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241031231900-October_music","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Aza24, from your page header I can glean that you are busy with IRL stuff. However, the Byzantine Empire FAR was opened on 30 October 2023, and thus will complete a full year in 23 days. We should try to make a last push and have it kept before this month ends. Your help is needed for the rewrite of the Arts section. The Literature subsection is already done, now only the Architecture, Art and Music subsections remain. I think the Renaissance subsection already meets FA standards and doesn't need much work. Do you think these can be rewritten within 23 days? Please let me know if you can work on this. Matarisvan (talk) 13:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241007130800","author":"Matarisvan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Matarisvan-20241007130800-Last_push_needed_for_Byzantine_Empire_FAR","replies":["c-Aza24-20241008040300-Matarisvan-20241007130800"]}}-->

Hi @Matarisvan, I would love to finish up the arts section but am hesitant on the timeline. I've already started on art in my sandbox (User:Aza24/sandbox) and I am very familiar with Byzantine music already, so don't expect that to be too difficult, but whether I could finish it up this month is uncertain because of my busy schedule at the moment.

Another concern I have is that even if we did finish the rewrite this month, the article needs a bit more than that. We had spoken extensively on the talk page on how the overall structure is rather uneven but Biz has convinced us to return to that once the rewrite is complete. But there are many sections which ought to be removed entirely (the Renaissance one, for instance), or content that needs to be rethought (where/how to talk about iconiclasm). Aza24 (talk) 04:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008040300","author":"Aza24","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aza24-20241008040300-Matarisvan-20241007130800","replies":["c-Matarisvan-20241008181600-Aza24-20241008040300"]}}-->

Hi, I completely understand. If you could just wrap up the Music subsection, we would only have 2 subsections in the Arts section, namely Art and Architecture, left to be rewritten; since Literature is already done and Renaissance is up for removal. Also, I think we should at least put it up for comprehensive reviews at FAR before the 30th so we can spot any issues we might not be seeing now. I have seen reviewers spot obvious issues which frequent editors miss due to getting used to the article layout. Worst case, we go back to the drawing board, the review has advanced far enough that we may get very few FARC votes. Would you agree? Matarisvan (talk) 18:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241008181600","author":"Matarisvan","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Matarisvan-20241008181600-Aza24-20241008040300","replies":[]}}-->

Before removing a category to an article, as you did to Category:Musicians from Imperial China, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. The category being added must already exist, and must be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. Please review the rest of the category trees. There is no reason to exclude a nationality like you're doing. Mason (talk) 03:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010035600","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20241010035600-October_2024","replies":["c-Aza24-20241010044100-Smasongarrison-20241010035600"],"displayName":"Mason"}}-->

@Smasongarrison, I don't think boilerplate templates for something between two experienced editors is anything but provocative. I'd suggest you look at the medieval music article; the topic is discussed by academic sources chiefly on Western Europe. There is no "narrow definition", this simply is the definition. Your insistence for including "Musicians from Imperial China" in "medieval musicians" is a complete invention for categories, which one would hope, at least pretend to follow RS. Would you add Ming Dynasty musicians to Renaissance musicians, and then Qing dynasty musicians to Baroque musicians? You are imposing a universality for a Western framework that does not exist.

Even if you ignore the above, Imperial China lasted from 221 BCE to 1912 CE, how exactly does that line up with 500–1400? Medieval China is a very specific period, c. 200 – 975 CE, how could any of this make sense? Aza24 (talk) 04:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010044100","author":"Aza24","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aza24-20241010044100-Smasongarrison-20241010035600","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20241010044900-Aza24-20241010044100"]}}-->

You know what... I don't think this is going to be a productive conversation. You do have reasonable points, however, I think you're the one imposing a western framework by removing the category by arguing that the era is only for westerns. Would you remove Category:Musicians of the medieval Islamic world because they're not western? Mason (talk) 04:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010044900","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20241010044900-Aza24-20241010044100","replies":["c-Aza24-20241010052700-Smasongarrison-20241010044900"],"displayName":"Mason"}}-->

@Smasongarrison, I feel we're still talking past each other. Unfortunately, these are problems of such bizarre nuance, that Wikipedia may be the only place in musicology which has ever faced them. I find it strange that you're convinced I am "arguing that the era is only for westerns". I am simply talking about the term "medieval music", not the Middle Ages. Every book/class/article etc. about medieval music talks about Western music during the middle ages, that is simply how the term is used. There is no such thing as a term to encompass deeply different and oftentimes completely unrelated musical cultures from the years 500–1400.

This being said... my best suggestion would be for a creation of a Post-classical music category (see Post-classical history), which would could then separate medieval music from Chinese, Islamic etc.. This is, of course, not a common term, but neither is the idea of a unified global music between the years 500–1400. Aza24 (talk) 05:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010052700","author":"Aza24","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Aza24-20241010052700-Smasongarrison-20241010044900","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20241010131000-Aza24-20241010052700"]}}-->

I agree that we're talking past each other. My point is that it looks like you are removing the category because they're not a western nation. I understand that you're arguing about the genre. But I don't think that the category is limited to a genre of musician. I think you're right that this category doesn't fit based on the centuries covered, but I think you should consider the fact that there are many other categories related to medieval occupations that aren't music or arts related. Mason (talk) 13:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010131000","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20241010131000-Aza24-20241010052700","replies":[],"displayName":"Mason"}}-->

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greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125160800","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241125160800-November_music","replies":[]}}-->

I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241130203600","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241130203600-November_music","replies":[]}}-->

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On the Main page today Jean Sibelius on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's Fifth from the opening of Notre-Dame de Paris. We sang in choirs today. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208215300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241208215300-December_music","replies":[]}}-->

Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212102300","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241212102300-December_music","replies":[]}}-->

Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered, and you were behind it! I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. Thank you for turning to the Bach cantata, but I have urgent work on five four others for Advent, Christmas and New Year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216160700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241216160700-December_music","replies":[]}}-->

I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218174700","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241218174700-December_music","replies":[]}}-->

My second Christmas story is about Christum wir sollen loben schon, BWV 121, 300 years today, and its song, 500 years old. An aria is inspired by a baby leaping in his mother's womb. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241226223900","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241226223900-December_music","replies":[]}}-->

My third Christmas story is different. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241227190500","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20241227190500-December_music","replies":[]}}-->

Aza24, I want to express gratitude for the work you've performed on Byzantine Empire and in the discussion over the review. We have more to do, but it's much easier now due to your contributions. Biz (talk) 19:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241211191800","author":"Biz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Biz-20241211191800-Thank_you!","replies":["c-Aza24-20241212071600-Biz-20241211191800"]}}-->

Hi @Biz, thanks for this note. I'm happy to help and look forward to contiuing the process. I'm yet to look back over my new editions; I expect I'll do some revising of them soon. I'm also considering taking a crack at the Science and medicine section, which seems a bit jumbled.

Glad to have you on board as well. – Aza24 (talk) 07:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212071600","author":"Aza24","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aza24-20241212071600-Biz-20241211191800","replies":["c-Biz-20241212170200-Aza24-20241212071600"]}}-->

Thank you @Aza24. Having your eyes on science and medicine will help us move a lot quicker. Biz (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212170200","author":"Biz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Biz-20241212170200-Aza24-20241212071600","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated History of Christianity - again - please take a look and criticize at will. Here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/History of Christianity/archive2 Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217234100","author":"Jenhawk777","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jenhawk777-20241217234100-nomination","replies":["c-Aza24-20241225075600-Jenhawk777-20241217234100"]}}-->

Hey @Jenhawk777, merry Christmas! I'm sorry to see that the nomination did not go your way. Reading through the FAC, I'm thinking you need to reconsider your approach to this article. What you have is a really fine GA, chalk full off high-quality sources and interest.

Of course, it's a completely noble effort to aim for an FA, but I have a feeling if you aim for something else, FAC will come right along: aiming for longetivity. Surely its best to create articles that can stand the test of time for decades to come? Thus, there's no rush in aiming for such a valuable product, perhaps considering reevaulating what you have.

You are coming at the topic from the perspective of an expert, with you own ideas and experiences; that is, it seems your are saying "I want to say *this*, now where do I source it?". That is why you have such an immesne diversity of soures and are coming across objections to disorganized structure. If you're only citing disparate articles and chapters, the article will appear like a collection of disparate articles and chapters. Instead, try restarting with the most core sources possible—rely on them until you absolutely cannot. Collect their main themes, and then fill in the gaps with your knowledge of other references.

For instance, why is A History of Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years not cited more? A book of essentially the same scope of your article, written by a prominent historian is a godsend. Or what about González? I see that Jaroslav Pelikan has a set of books on the same topic. You are spoiled by these kinds of publications; when I attempted the history of music I realized there is hardly a single worldwide historical overviews on the topic!

I hope this insight is not too obtrusive of me. I'd very much like to help you with the article moving forward. Aza24 (talk) 07:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241225075600","author":"Aza24","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aza24-20241225075600-Jenhawk777-20241217234100","replies":["c-Jenhawk777-20241225182600-Aza24-20241225075600"]}}-->

This is both helpful and kind. Thank you. Not having done an FA before I did not know that it has some special requirements. I didn't have a clue what Borsoka was talking about when he criticized its disparate elements as if it should tell a single story, because it isn't a single story. It is in fact multiple stories, but it turns out FAC does want a coherant narrative. That's a total rewrite and Airshipjungleman is doing that which is really amazing. I am learning just watching him work magic.

I did not actually begin from "I want to say this" but I did begin with the previous article's content. I have some knowledge of the early and Antique periods, but I am not knowledgable about the Middle Ages, so that was all new for me. I learned a lot doing this! I mostly used the "Cambridge History of Christianity" - 45 references to it. There were multiples I could have used as they mostly all say the same things, but in order to be sure I had the most recent scholarship I had to check journal articles as well. There are a lot of sources because there are a lot of topics under this big umbrella! I always check multiple references on any one topic just to be sure I understand the majority view of something - it can take me a week to get a few sentences that can be used. But I love the research part of this process. Reading reading reading. I always end up buying new books! I bought "The Early Christian World" this time!

I have company coming later today that I am cooking for so it's time to get the turkey started, but I wanted to be sure and tell you thank you for your sweet and valuable insights. I will be nominating it again, so you will have another chance one of these days! Bless you and yours, hope you are having a great holiday, Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241225182600","author":"Jenhawk777","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jenhawk777-20241225182600-Aza24-20241225075600","replies":[]}}-->

Hey Aza, how are you? It's nice to see you back! I recently published my longest articles, the first one is (long overdue) rewrite of El Lissitzky, and the second one is Jewish Ethnographic Expedition, which I sought would be a short one but then discovered troves of sources on everything: photos, music collection, theater, war, etc. I'll really appreciate if you'll be able to have a look at any of the two (or both!), any comments are welcome. Artem.G (talk) 12:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222122200","author":"Artem.G","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Artem.G-20241222122200-Greetings","replies":["c-Aza24-20241225073500-Artem.G-20241222122200"]}}-->

@Artem.G, nice to hear from you! Glad to see both of these articles progressing nicely. I'll take a look soon. Best – Aza24 (talk) 07:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241225073500","author":"Aza24","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aza24-20241225073500-Artem.G-20241222122200","replies":[]}}-->

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