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A user called RockabillyRaccoon has been vandalizing the templates for Hip hop and Rap rock. Could you put an end to this? 2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374 (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608222200","author":"2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374-20230608222200-Vandalism_Report","replies":["c-Anthere-20230608222900-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374-20230608222200"]}}-->

I do not see anything wrong. Where ? Anthere (talk) 22:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608222900","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anthere-20230608222900-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374-20230608222200","replies":["c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374-20230609001000-Anthere-20230608222900"]}}-->

The user states that Rap metal and Punk rap aren't subgenres of rap rock.2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374 (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230609001000","author":"2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:E400:4C15:61F0:5374-20230609001000-Anthere-20230608222900","replies":[]}}-->

• User:RockabillyRaccoon
• Rap metal
• Punk rap

Well,

1. I know nothing about rap metal and punk rap. Zero. So I do not see how my input here would be useful
2. I do not think you should call an editor you disagree with «a vandal ». This user may be right or wrong, or anything in between, but his track record does not immediately spring to my mind as being the track record of a vandal. So please mind the words. You may disagree... that does not make him a vandal. A vandal is not someone you disagree with, a vandal is here to voluntarily damage the encyclopedia
3. You have zero track record yourself. Any reason to trust you over him ?
4. I advise that... if you disagree with him... you go talk to him on his talk page beyond what has already been done
5. You may also discuss that on the talk page of the said articles to try to gather input from other knowledgeable people
6. Or take it to discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Hip hop (I have not looked if that project was still active though)
7. Or you may look for the active biggest content contributors to the said articles and invite them to give their opinion on the matter

In any cases, a person you simply disagree with, is not a vandal. Be nice :) Anthere (talk) 10:12, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230609101200","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anthere-20230609101200-Vandalism_Report","replies":[]}}-->

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Noted bot-friend. Anthere (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231114202100","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anthere-20231114202100-DPL_bot-20231114060400","replies":[]}}-->

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Noted. Usually I do so when text is rather large. Otherwise not. I must clearly have forgotten yesterday. Sorry about that. Anthere (talk) 21:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231205212500","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anthere-20231205212500-Red-tailed_hawk-20231205033500","replies":[]}}-->

Precious

Three years!

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What is your reason for stating that the content is compatibly licensed? Looking at the legal page, it seems that only content published after Nov. 2016 is automatically CC BY 4-ed. Prior content seems to be treated on a case-by-case basis. Do you have anything that explicitly releases that page under a compatible license?

Only very old usecases or archived discussions remain on the WIPO website that might be prior to 2017. The very very big majority of the content is post 2017. The treaties summary pages I work with were all reworked end of 2023 when they did a major rehaul of the website. This major update of the website broke many url of pages by the way, links I am slowly fixing one by one because they failed to maintain relationship between some old urls and new urls.

Incidently, I also contacted a few months ago the WIPO legal office to ask them about the exact copyright status of the old treaties and texts, after Wikisource editors asked me to inquire (so that they could put the old treaties on wiki source). I got the answer that « all the content published on the website was to be considered CC BY 4.0, unless otherwise tagged ». Yes... even those prior to 2016... (which seems very odd... I know)

About « how do I prove that pages I work on are post 2016 »... errr... well, I am personally sure because those pages basically did not existed as-is last year [1]. I am also sure because the website was entirely updated in 2023. And I am sure because the content of those pages is very up to date (definitely not 10 years old -). And they published statements about the work they did to clean up and complement all treaty pages [2]. Anthere (talk) 22:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240606224500","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anthere-20240606224500-WIPO_Performances_and_Phonograms_Treaty-copyright_rational_requested","replies":[]}}-->

Also, I'm wondering about your message to Red Tailed Hawk on 2023-12-05, where you apparently explained that you don't always attribute CC BY 4 content. As I'm sure you're aware, that attribution isn't optional. Failure to add it does, in fact, constitute a copyright violation. Could you clarify your statement? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240606222100","author":"GreenLipstickLesbian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GreenLipstickLesbian-20240606222100-WIPO_Performances_and_Phonograms_Treaty-copyright_rational_requested","replies":["c-Anthere-20240606224100-GreenLipstickLesbian-20240606222100"]}}-->

When it is a sentence such as «  The treaty entered into force on August 19, 1980 »; even if I might have technically copy pasted it, I believe the sentence is too short and not creative enough that it deserves attribution. So no... I will add a source for the information, but I do not add an attribution tag for such as short and bland statement. I only add attributions when it is more specific and long. Anthere (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240606224100","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anthere-20240606224100-GreenLipstickLesbian-20240606222100","replies":[]}}-->

Regarding [3], please note that poorly targeted redirect is not a WP:CSD, indeed it is explicitly covered by WP:NOTCSD point 15. As such please undelete the page and list it at WP:RFD, thanks. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:EC70:F3C0:8B09:A76 (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618144100","author":"2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:EC70:F3C0:8B09:A76","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:EC70:F3C0:8B09:A76-20240618144100-Trademark_Law_Treaty","replies":["c-Anthere-20240618180200-2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:EC70:F3C0:8B09:A76-20240618144100"]}}-->

Done sir. Anthere (talk) 18:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240618180200","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anthere-20240618180200-2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:EC70:F3C0:8B09:A76-20240618144100","replies":["c-2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:9D6D:4D6C:4CB2:A165-20240618214700-Anthere-20240618180200"]}}-->

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Why did you replace {{cite book}} for a book with {{cite web}} across a number of articles? Remsense ‥ 论 01:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126015500","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Remsense-20241126015500-Citation","replies":["c-Anthere-20241126020800-Remsense-20241126015500"]}}-->

Because the previous reference was linking to a pdf. And WIPO changed the pdf name... so ALL pdf links are broken. I take it you may not be happy with my change from a book to a web, but the reference you are putting back is a 404... Anthere (talk)

ah and yes... you may suggest that I change the reference to the new pdf. EXCEPT that this is not the first time they are breaking links. They regularly update their pdf and break link. They also even sometimes change the url of their webpage and create 404. So I am TRYING to find the most stable and long term working link instead of putting a link to a very unstable pdf. Anthere (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126020800","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Anthere-20241126020800-Remsense-20241126015500","replies":["c-Remsense-20241126020900-Anthere-20241126020800","c-Anthere-20241126021300-Anthere-20241126020800"]}}-->

The point is that it's a book, not a webpage. You can supply a stable link without altering that, if I'm understanding correctly. Remsense ‥ 论 02:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126020900","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Remsense-20241126020900-Anthere-20241126020800","replies":[]}}-->

NO, it is not a book. It is on online report. Please do provide me with the exact reference that you will be happy for me to put back. I have added 150 of those references with a pdf. One week later, those book references were ALL broken. A colleague helped me to fix many of those and I was finishing fixing the broken links. You reverted all of those to a broken link. This is getting really tiring. So I would like to suggest that you provide me with the link that you will consider suitable. Otherwise, I must confess that I am half thinking of keeping a broken reference in all those articles. Anthere (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126021300","author":"Anthere","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Anthere-20241126021300-Anthere-20241126020800","replies":["c-Remsense-20241126022100-Anthere-20241126021300"]}}-->

Where did the ISBN come from, then? I am confused, and {{cite web}} cannot accept an ISBN. Assuming it does have an ISBN, then it is a book, even if it is hosted online. I will look at this tomorrow, but consider asking for help somewhere like Help talk:Citation Style 1? Remsense ‥ 论 02:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126022100","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Remsense-20241126022100-Anthere-20241126021300","replies":[]}}-->

Dear @Anthere:,

I am looking how to reuse a citation already used in the article. I know the concept behind that we should give a name to the reference in order to call it back at the place we want but I am not sure of how to do it. Do you know if there is a help page that explains how to do it?

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