Template talk:Barbarian kingdoms

The Barbarian kingdoms portal was recently deleted. I've removed the red link from the template. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 12:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


The actual "successors"

How to call direct successor states like the Eastern Rome Empire, Soissons, Nepos's Dalmatia or even Sub-Roman Britain and the Mauro-Roman Kingdom? Latin states? Direct successor states? I'm putting them in the "see also" section for the moment.

Referring to the Eastern Roman Empire, the realm in Soissons, the realm of Nepos or the Sasanian Empire as in any way related to the concept of "Barbarian kingdoms" is insanity. I've removed them from this template. Ichthyovenator (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Barbarian_kingdoms about the rename of the article of "Barbarina Kingdom" to "Early-medieval states". Please go and participate in the discussion. The "see also" in this template is being used for entities that aren't "barbarians", but have some relation with them in the Post roman period (the roman sucessor kingdoms of Soissons and Dalmatia).

You need to sign your name after you write stuff on talk pages and it's not really a discussion if only one person has written and no one has responded. I've weighed in over there for what it's worth. There is no compelling argument for including either of the four polities I removed, especially not while the template carries the name "Barbarian kingdoms", perhaps this could be looked over if there turns out to be support for renaming. The Sasanian Empire was founded before the migration period, in 224, and only became something that could be described as "post-Roman" with its brief conquest of Roman territories in the time of Heraclius in the 600s. The Eastern Roman Empire and Nepos's Dalmatia are not states separate from the Roman Empire and are not suitable for inclusion in a template that says it is limited to "Barbarian kingdoms". Unless you can back up their inclusion here with some argument that builds on reliable sources, they should be omitted, especially as long as the template is about Barbarian kingdoms. Ichthyovenator (talk) 09:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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