First, kudos to User:Andyroost for the collapsible template layout. My motivation for this edit was to improve readability. Short, wide templates are easier to read than tall, narrow ones. Feel free to continue the cleanup and any feedback is welcome. — MrDolomite • Talk 18:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-24T18:56:00.000Z","author":"MrDolomite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MrDolomite-2007-02-24T18:56:00.000Z-Adjusted_layout_February_2007","replies":[]}}-->
why does someone collapse the singles part to singles and other singles? it makes no sense since they are all "singles" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.236.86 (talk) 02:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-01-01T02:47:00.000Z","author":"71.3.236.86","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.3.236.86-2008-01-01T02:47:00.000Z-SINGLES","replies":[]}}-->
Done There is a discussion on the Avril Lavigne article regarding the replacement of this template and the Avril Lavigne singles template to form one condensed template included above (click [show] to view the template). If there are any objections to this change, please refer to the discussion previously linked and state your reasons for objection. If there are no reasonable objections to this change, the template will be replaced on 27 March 2010. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ]:[ Talk ] ~ 17:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-22T17:09:00.000Z","author":"ScottMHoward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottMHoward-2010-03-22T17:09:00.000Z-Replace?","replies":[]}}-->
This new album being added to the template appears to be an unofficial remix album released by Sony in the UK (it rather reminds me of Evanescence's "Not For Your Ears" bootleg album--notable in its own right, but not as an officially released album). I don't think it's notable enough to be included here as there are likely dozens of other albums that fit the same criteria that aren't included here. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 00:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-02T00:12:00.000Z","author":"ScottMHoward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottMHoward-2010-08-02T00:12:00.000Z-Essentials_Mixes_(Remix_Album)","replies":[],"displayName":"Scott M. Howard"}}-->
I saw the Tron template had done something interesting, and I thought it'd be fun to maybe do a similar thing with this template, only less involved. Avril's known for her black/hot pink colors (though apparently "lime green" is the new thing), so I did a quick mock-up at my sandbox. Although the spirit of WP:BOLD is to try stuff like this, I wasn't about to risk it without getting some feedback! Let me know what you think; would it be fun to try it out temporarily? My other thought was maybe do something like this for her next release in several years. We could've done a green theme for the latest album. Just a thought to keep things a little lively, show the world that the AL team is more fun than the rest of the community :D – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 10:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-08T10:36:00.000Z","author":"Keraunoscopia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-08T10:36:00.000Z-Hot_pink_template","replies":["c-ScottMHoward-2011-05-08T19:58:00.000Z-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-08T10:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"gala"}}-->
Can we please change it back to neutral. Avril's colors are not all hot pink anymore. The profile picture and the hot pink is very outdated. If ANY color, go with green to represent her latest album cover. The hot pink looks terrible —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.232.237 (talk) 23:42, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-10T23:42:00.000Z","author":"68.188.232.237","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-68.188.232.237-2011-05-10T23:42:00.000Z-Green_version","replies":["c-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-11T00:04:00.000Z-68.188.232.237-2011-05-10T23:42:00.000Z"]}}-->
I think there might be a much simpler way of coding this template for multiple color usage. In a way, I like the idea of the automatic determination of whether to display green or pink, but that would require modifying this template's inner codings each time a new article is to use the new color (or if the article is moved to a new name). I think the easiest way to change the color would be to call the template with {{Avril Lavigne}}, {{Avril Lavigne|pink}} or {{Avril Lavigne|green}}, depending on how it's coded as default, etc. This will make it MUCH easier for future articles to implement the color preference without having to hard-code it into the template itself. Speaking of hard-coding, we'll have to determine a default color to use first (probably pink) so that {{Avril Lavigne}} will display pink, {{Avril Lavigne|green}} will display green, {{Avril Lavigne|pink}} will display pink, and {{Avril Lavigne|gobbledegook}} will display pink. To do this, the parameters would be coded as:
{{Avril Lavigne}}
{{Avril Lavigne|pink}}
{{Avril Lavigne|green}}
{{Avril Lavigne|gobbledegook}}
|titlestyle = {{#switch: {{{1|pink}}}|green=background:#41DA00;color:#009900;|background:#FF88FF;color:#FF3366;}}
This also opens the door in case she decides to go blue in the future, or any other color. Simply adding a |blue= parameter to each of the color switches will make the new option available by calling {{Avril Lavigne|blue}}. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 05:11, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-13T05:11:00.000Z","author":"ScottMHoward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottMHoward-2011-05-13T05:11:00.000Z-Coding_multiple_colors","replies":["c-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-13T06:41:00.000Z-ScottMHoward-2011-05-13T05:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Scott M. Howard"}}-->
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I've added a new parameter to the template which allows someone to add collapse=on or collapse=off to the template call to make the template collapsed or not (it will default to autocollapse otherwise). The template had already defaulted to autocollapse before this implementation, but I've noticed that just about every single Avril Lavigne-related article shows the template as collapsed. Is this good or bad? Should the default be uncollapsed? Or should each of the most-important articles be called using {{Avril Lavigne|collapse=off}}? I'm not sure the best way to go about editing this, if the issue even needs to be addressed. Who knows, maybe a collapsed-by-default is a good thing?
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P.S. - Apparently the order in which the parameters is called doesn't matter ({{Avril Lavigne|collapse=on|green}} is the same as calling {{Avril Lavigne|green|collapse=on}}). I assumed green should have to be called first given the {{{1}}} usage, but I guess the 1 just means the first parameter without an = sign being used. Who knows--Wikipedia can be weird sometimes. =D ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 18:43, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-16T18:43:00.000Z","author":"ScottMHoward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottMHoward-2011-05-16T18:43:00.000Z-Collapse_parameter","replies":["c-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-17T08:13:00.000Z-ScottMHoward-2011-05-16T18:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Scott M. Howard"}}-->
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Currently, the images link in the template takes you to Category:Images of Avril Lavigne, an unfree, no-gallery category on en.wikipedia.org that pretty much has album covers, maybe posters, screenshots, any other unfree images. How would the importance of this category rank against the free images category available at Commons? Should we update the link to go there instead? I'm not sure about having two image links... that might clutter the template up. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 08:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-17T08:16:00.000Z","author":"Keraunoscopia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-17T08:16:00.000Z-Images","replies":["c-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-18T02:03:00.000Z-Keraunoscopia-2011-05-17T08:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"gala"}}-->
Is this a joke? I Help, When I Can.[12] 05:14, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-21T05:14:00.000Z","author":"IHelpWhenICan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-IHelpWhenICan-2011-08-21T05:14:00.000Z-Hot_pink?","replies":["c-Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars-2011-08-24T17:00:00.000Z-IHelpWhenICan-2011-08-21T05:14:00.000Z"],"displayName":"I Help, When I Can."}}-->
EDITWAR halt on editing: For months, this is the way the template has looked. There's extensive discussion above regarding how it came about. It was changed and that's the way it remained for months and thus this becomes consensus. Please have a VALUABLE discussion before editwarring against consensus. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 23:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-24T23:05:00.000Z","author":"ScottMHoward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottMHoward-2011-08-24T23:05:00.000Z-Hot_pink?","replies":[],"displayName":"Scott M. Howard"}}-->
...the correct template is not being used for this artist. The pink (and green) styling of this template also make a joke of the music project and prevents consistency in the project's style. I think that the proper template should be used. Please state your opinions below. I Help, When I Can.[12] 23:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-24T23:51:00.000Z","author":"IHelpWhenICan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-IHelpWhenICan-2011-08-24T23:51:00.000Z-Besides_the_godawful_color...","replies":["c-ScottMHoward-2011-08-25T00:25:00.000Z-IHelpWhenICan-2011-08-24T23:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"I Help, When I Can."}}-->
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Templates that use color should keep accessibility in mind for thoses that are are partially or fully color blind. We actually use this colours as an example Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Color --> WP:COLOUR.Moxy (talk) 22:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-25T22:58:00.000Z","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxy-2011-08-25T22:58:00.000Z-Besides_the_godawful_color...","replies":["c-IHelpWhenICan-2011-08-25T23:22:00.000Z-Moxy-2011-08-25T22:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
I completely agree with what IllaZilla said. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan page. If you'd like to create your own colors of templates, then create your own LavignePedia. This isn't the place. Just because you two users don't like the normal colors means jack shit, to put it frankly. — Status {talkcontribs 00:08, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-26T00:08:00.000Z","author":"Status","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Status-2011-08-26T00:08:00.000Z-Besides_the_godawful_color...","replies":["c-Keraunoscopia-2011-08-26T02:29:00.000Z-Status-2011-08-26T00:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
The divisions made in the "Studio albums and singles" section of the template add unnecessary bulk to it. The information can be easily conveyed in the typical format. Avril Lavigne does not have enough articles to support such divisions. Chime in everyone. I Help, When I Can.[12] 20:42, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-02T20:42:00.000Z","author":"IHelpWhenICan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-IHelpWhenICan-2011-09-02T20:42:00.000Z-The_divisions","replies":["c-IHelpWhenICan-2011-09-02T20:44:00.000Z-IHelpWhenICan-2011-09-02T20:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"I Help, When I Can."}}-->
Just to clarify one minor detail, with this edit and summary ("No consensus for rearranging entire template"), it was more in reference to the fact that it was changed from its divisions and then changed again to a completely different version soon after (restoring divisions and swapping "DVDs" and "Other Songs") so it felt like a free-for-all. Just in the last discussion, I don't mind change--but I prefer it done professionally and orderly. In addition, the removed "collapse" parameter is actually a useful addition to the template as the "autocollapse" function wikipedia uses does not operate as it should when there are other "hide" boxes used in the article which have nothing to do with navboxes (tracklists, etc) and thus the template becomes collapsed on articles in which the full template should be displayed.
On the matter of which version of this template should be used now that color is removed (thank you to everyone, by the way, for the proper discussion before such bold removals), I'd vote toward keeping the divisions. With there being so many singles (15), there is at least one line break (two on smaller resolutions), causing there to be at least 3 (or 4) row of text to accomodate both albums and singles. The divisions only make the template a static 4 rows for albums and singles. So vs. the 3 (and sometimes 4) rows, there's not that much difference--so why not add a touch of organization to it. So that's the way I'd vote. But a strong vote toward keeping the collapse parameter at the very least. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 21:03, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-02T21:03:00.000Z","author":"ScottMHoward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottMHoward-2011-09-02T21:03:00.000Z-The_divisions","replies":["c-IHelpWhenICan-2011-09-02T21:28:00.000Z-ScottMHoward-2011-09-02T21:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Scott M. Howard"}}-->
I'm with Scott. I preferred it the way it was - it was more organised and easier to read. Zylo1994 (talk) 17:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-08T17:58:00.000Z","author":"Zylo1994","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zylo1994-2011-09-08T17:58:00.000Z-The_divisions","replies":[]}}-->
Seems as if there's enough singles now to warrant it's only template anyways. — Status {talkcontribs 04:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-10T04:30:00.000Z","author":"Status","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Status-2011-09-10T04:30:00.000Z-The_divisions","replies":[]}}-->
Since the box is locked, I cannot add it to the list of her other songs. An administrator will have to do it instead.--67.84.73.254 (talk) 17:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-12-25T17:55:00.000Z","author":"67.84.73.254","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-67.84.73.254-2012-12-25T17:55:00.000Z-How_You_Remind_Me","replies":["c-ScottMHoward-2012-12-25T18:14:00.000Z-67.84.73.254-2012-12-25T17:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
Also Bad Reputation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.151.93 (talk) 18:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-13T18:05:00.000Z","author":"94.64.151.93","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-94.64.151.93-2013-01-13T18:05:00.000Z-How_You_Remind_Me","replies":[]}}-->
The collapsible option explanatory template appears twice, because it's also being used in the documentation. The documentation also explains what the template explains (with a list of examples). I'm wondering if the documentation in its entirety is simply redundant and should be removed? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 21:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-08T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Keraunoscopia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keraunoscopia-2013-02-08T21:35:00.000Z-Template:Collapsible_option","replies":["c-ScottMHoward-2013-02-08T21:43:00.000Z-Keraunoscopia-2013-02-08T21:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"gala"}}-->
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Let me place my reasons for the change in format here. I changed this template from the compound-group format to a single-group format due to a conversation that was had many months ago about how the format looks "bulky". Although, at the time, my analysis concluded that it made no major difference in bulk to have 4 rows dedicated to albums and singles vs. having 3 (or in some cases 4) rows dedicated to albums and singles, the future of the template using that style was called into question. I felt that it was now time to revert back to the standardized formatting of a Musical Artist Template now that a 5th studio album is approaching, and one new single from that album already announced. Having 5 rows of albums with only 4 or 5 singles per row does now add unnecessary bulk to the navbox, in my eyes, and having one row for albums and one row for singles solves this issue. I also believe (though unverified) that having compounded groups may cause accessibility issues with users that use screen readers. Instead of reading simple lines of Albums and then Singles, they may get a confused bundle of both albums and singles and may not be able to differentiate without the aid of the strictly visual organization.
Another point of interest while reformatting the navbox is the singles. One edit made during a revert to my change modified the term "Album singles" to simply "singles". I believe that if a row is titled singles, all singles in the navbox must then be placed in this row. The "Other songs and singles" row includes singles released by Avril Lavigne, but were not released through studio albums, and labeling both rows as singles add confusion to the box. If the row becomes "Singles", all singles located in the "Other songs and singles" row should then be moved to the "Singles" row (chronologically, of course), and the lower row should be renamed "Other songs" to include songs that Avril has notability but are not singles, studio album singles or otherwise.
I am starting a discussion here because my attempts to contact the user who reverted my original change has unanswered my request for discussion on their talk page, and the user history shows no discussion on his talk page whatsoever (and only 2 article talk page discussion edits in total). I feel a more public discussion on this subject is in order since this may be considered a major change. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 00:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-13T00:30:00.000Z","author":"ScottMHoward","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ScottMHoward-2013-02-13T00:30:00.000Z-New_Format","replies":[],"displayName":"Scott M. Howard"}}-->
Avril had already released over 15 singles, and there are a lot of songs related to avril so I propose Avril should have a separate template especially for her singles and songs, Avril Lavigne singles. Almost every artist had separate template for their singles like Rihanna, Britney, Kelly; and Avril should need to have also for easy navigation of her singles, and her template is a kinda crowded and unorganized.--Merida08 (talk) 10:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-04-27T10:53:00.000Z","author":"Merida08","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Merida08-2013-04-27T10:53:00.000Z-Separate_template_for_\"Avril_Lavigne_Singles\"","replies":["c-Keraunoscopia-2013-04-27T18:22:00.000Z-Merida08-2013-04-27T10:53:00.000Z","c-ScottMHoward-2013-04-27T21:28:00.000Z-Merida08-2013-04-27T10:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
Another viable option that I personally feel could be a good compromise would be a semi-separate singles template appended to the main template. A few other artists/music groups (Carly Rae Jepsen, Adele, Paramore) have taken this approach, and it would give the 'album: singles from that album' format some desire without adding bulk to the main template. The current layout of the template works perfectly fine, but it is something to consider, especially given how often a separate singles template is discussed. HERE is a draft of what the template would look like. Songsteel (talk) 05:00, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-30T05:00:00.000Z","author":"Songsteel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Songsteel-2013-10-30T05:00:00.000Z-Separate_template_for_\"Avril_Lavigne_Singles\"","replies":[]}}-->
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I just want to change the whole the thing, like putting each single from each album in one line. 197.205.19.246 (talk) 16:28, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-30T16:28:00.000Z","author":"197.205.19.246","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-197.205.19.246-2014-04-30T16:28:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_30_April_2014","replies":["c-Arjayay-2014-04-30T16:42:00.000Z-197.205.19.246-2014-04-30T16:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
This template's initial visibility currently defaults to autocollapse, meaning that if there is another collapsible item on the page (a navbox, sidebar, or table with the collapsible attribute), it is hidden apart from its title bar; if not, it is fully visible.
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