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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 11:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-27T11:15:00.000Z","author":"BetacommandBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BetacommandBot-2007-08-27T11:15:00.000Z-WikiProject_class_rating","replies":[]}}-->

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I have just corrected the description of his novel Point de demain from "pornographic" to "erotic". I am familiar with the work in question (in the original), and there is not a single pornographic element in it.

N.B. I am not familiar with the etchings mentioned in the article, but if their description - also "pornographic" - is based on the same dubious parametres as the description of the novel, then I suggest their description be checked and possibly revised, too. (A reference to a place or work where the etchings can be seen, or are discussed, would also be useful.)

Point de Lendemain (sic). Point well taken.

For evidence of pornographic etchings, see items 49, 50 and 51 in the catalogue of the huge Denon exhibition held in the Louvre from October 1999 to January 2000.

Item 49, a signed etching of Le Phallus Phenomenal, is illustrated in the catalogue and is one of 23 etchings by Denon published as L'OEuvre Priapique in 1793 or 1794. The originals can be studied by the curious in the Bibliotheque Nationale.

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is the author Denon or Dorat? see page vii of the french edition, apparently translator Sutton dissagrees. Pohick2 (talk) 00:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-29T00:39:00.000Z","author":"Pohick2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pohick2-2009-08-29T00:39:00.000Z-91.106.28.64-2008-12-05T21:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The result of the move request was: page moved by someone. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-25T05:24:00.000Z","author":"Anthony Appleyard","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anthony_Appleyard-2013-08-25T05:24:00.000Z-Requested_move","replies":[]}}-->

Dominique Vivant → Vivant Denon – Page heading should read Vivant Denon, not Dominique Vivant. As the rest of the page attests, the man is best known historically as Vivant Denon. His full name was Dominique Vivant Denon, but "Dominique Vivant" alone is incorrect. Amy Gorilla (talk) 20:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z","author":"Amy Gorilla","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amy_Gorilla-2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z-Requested_move","replies":["c-Johnbod-2013-08-21T04:05:00.000Z-Amy_Gorilla-2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z","c-Johnbod-2013-08-21T14:53:00.000Z-Amy_Gorilla-2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z","c-A._Parrot-2013-08-21T18:49:00.000Z-Amy_Gorilla-2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Support almost any move - the current name is ridiculous, with no surname at all. What double-barreled surname? [refers to comment now removed] Let's be clear: the family name was originally "de Non", switched to "Denon" at the Revolution. "Dominique" is the first name he apparently never used, "Vivant" the middle name he did. For other WPs, the French and German use "Dominique Vivant Denon", the Italians, Spanish & Dutch just "Vivant Denon". Either is ok [[see further thoughts below]. The French begins "Dominique Vivant, baron Denon, dit Vivant Denon ou Dominique Vivant Denon". Nowinski's biography in fact uses "Vivant Denon" in the running text. Category:Barons of France seems to show no consistency, with most article titles not including the title (very unlike British ones). Many of our French 18th-century biographies over-include middle names in the title, but this is strictly the first name. The current name is so absurd, & seems to have been so since 2004, I'm boldly adding "Denon" at the end, without prejudice to a further move after this discussion - Oh well, it wouldn't let me. Johnbod (talk) 04:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-21T04:05:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2013-08-21T04:05:00.000Z-Amy_Gorilla-2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2013-08-21T04:31:00.000Z-Johnbod-2013-08-21T04:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

However it will let me move to Vivant Denon, so I've done that on the same basis. Johnbod (talk) 04:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-21T04:31:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Johnbod-2013-08-21T04:31:00.000Z-Johnbod-2013-08-21T04:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I presume the bot has changed the notice at the top, after my change, which I did not anticipate. Per the above, I think discussion should continue, & we can move again if needed. Johnbod (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-21T14:53:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-2013-08-21T14:53:00.000Z-Amy_Gorilla-2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wbm1058-2013-08-24T11:34:00.000Z-Johnbod-2013-08-21T14:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
Actually it's the template {{Requested move/dated}} that changed its own notice, because it recognized that the requested move as stated had been completed. On the other hand, the bot will keep reporting the original request, until the template is either removed or changed. Wbm1058 (talk) 11:34, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-24T11:34:00.000Z","author":"Wbm1058","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wbm1058-2013-08-24T11:34:00.000Z-Johnbod-2013-08-21T14:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2013-08-24T14:04:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2013-08-24T11:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ok, thanks. Johnbod (talk) 14:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-24T14:04:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Johnbod-2013-08-24T14:04:00.000Z-Wbm1058-2013-08-24T11:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Comment. His name shows up often in accounts of the beginnings of Egyptology, so I've seen it in several sources. I no longer have on hand the sources that talk about his Egypt-related work in depth, but The Complete Valley of the Kings and The Complete Temples of Ancient Egypt both mention him. They don't even use "Dominique" on first reference; they just call him "Vivant Denon" or even "Baron Vivant Denon", when not using his surname alone. If their usage is any indication, "Vivant Denon" is the most commonly used form of his name. I can't speak for other sources, though. A. Parrot (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-21T18:49:00.000Z","author":"A. Parrot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-A._Parrot-2013-08-21T18:49:00.000Z-Amy_Gorilla-2013-08-20T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Johnbod-2013-08-24T14:45:00.000Z-A._Parrot-2013-08-21T18:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

After looking around, at the book titles in citations, the name of his museum at Chalons etc, I'm now pretty sure "Vivant Denon" is the WP:COMMONNAME. Johnbod (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-24T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Johnbod-2013-08-24T14:45:00.000Z-A._Parrot-2013-08-21T18:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Engraving by Vivant Denon of a costume for French legislators designed by Jacques-Louis David. Denon (1747–1825) originally studied law and served as a attaché, but later devoted himself to art and literature and struck up a friendship with David. During the French Revolution, Denon was commissioned to furnish designs for republican costumes. In 1802, Napoleon appointed Denon to be the first head of the Musée Napoléon (now the Louvre).Drawing: Jacques-Louis David; engraving: Vivant Denon; restoration: Michel Vuijlsteke

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