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Delisted--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-03T15:45:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2009-09-03T15:45:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Let me say that I recognize that this is one of the 200 most important biographies and one of the 201 core biographies on English Wikipedia although it is not a 120 vital biographies. I am hoping not to have to delist this because of lack of interested editors.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-29T06:17:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-29T06:17:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am reviewing this article as part of GA Sweeps. This article needs much work to bring it to the current standards of WP:WIAGA. I am about to outline a partial list of issues that need to be addressed. After I post this listing, I will give concerned and interested editors a week before I reevaluate the article's quality rating. I will be following along with the progress of the article and may make additional comments as it is appropriate.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-27T20:13:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:13:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:30:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

The images could use WP:ALT text according to the alt text checker.
Three dablinks need to be fixed.
The article has a deadlink
There are several entire paragraphs without any inline citations. In some cases, groups of paragraphs composing entire subsections have no citations. This will not pass the current standards at WP:WIAGA. Please make sure each paragraph has at least one citation assuming that the article is organized enough that separate paragraphs constitute separate ideas and need individual citations.
It seems to me that the following images are sculptural and may need FURs: File:Jefferson Memorial with Declaration preamble.jpg, File:Thomas Jefferson's Paris house memorial.jpg, File:MtRushmore Tom close.jpg.
The article has contained a {{Expand-section}} tag since March.
There is a bulletpointed list that should probably be converted to prose.
I may make further comments as this review progresses.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-27T20:30:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:30:00.000Z-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-27T20:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I believe the Article needs structure. The first section should be just Jefferson's biography, from his birth to death with time line periods. Any subject areas such as Slavery, Sally Hemings, or Presidency should be seperate from the main biography. Also, links should be made to main Articles, if not already done so. {Cmguy777 (talk) 17:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)}[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-04T17:43:00.000Z","author":"Cmguy777","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cmguy777-2009-09-04T17:43:00.000Z-GA_Reassessment","replies":[]}}-->

In the biography section there is no mention of slaves being owned by Jefferson or his Plantation life on Monticello. Slavery was much a part of Jefferson's life as the Declaration of Independance. I believe this topic should be addressed in one or two paragraphs.{Cmguy777 (talk) 00:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)}[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-28T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Cmguy777","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cmguy777-2009-08-28T00:04:00.000Z-GA_Reassessment","replies":["c-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-28T04:57:00.000Z-Cmguy777-2009-08-28T00:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I do not generally guide a reorganization of an article during a GAR review. It is not required to pass. However, it is not uncommon for a group of editors who are similarly interested in improving an article while it has their simultaneous attention to do such an overhaul. I would be very happy to see expansion of the text. I personally feel that Jefferson is an important enough figure that his WP:LEAD should use the entire four paragraphs that are acceptable, but three is not so deficient that it would cause a problem with retaining the rating.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-28T04:57:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2009-08-28T04:57:00.000Z-Cmguy777-2009-08-28T00:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There is tremendous ongoing editorial activity occurring on the article, but it seems to be just regular editing and nothig tailored to address the concerns above. Since these concerns have been ignored for a week, I am delisting the article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-03T15:45:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2009-09-03T15:45:00.000Z-GA_Reassessment","replies":[]}}-->