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A fact from Shalom chaverim appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 January 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "Shalom chaverim" ('Peace, friends'), a Hebrew traditional folk song, has been sung at events commemorating the Holocaust and victims of anti-Semitic violence?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shalom chaverim.

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... that "Shalom chaverim" (Peace, friends) was recorded by the vocal folk music quartet the Weavers live in Carnegie Hall on Christmas Eve 1955, in an arrangement by member Fred Hellerman? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Louis Zhang Jiashu
- Comment: I believe that this would be a good start into 2024, on New Year's Day.

Moved to mainspace by ToBeFree (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 19:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shalom chaverim; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231216191200","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20231216191200-Did_you_know_nomination","replies":["c-Narutolovehinata5-20231219021100-Gerda_Arendt-20231216191200"],"displayName":"Gerda\u00a0Arendt"}}-->

Proposing an alternative hook:

ALT1 ... that "Shalom chaverim" (Peace, friends), a Hebrew traditional folk song, has been sung at events commemorating the Holocaust and victims of anti-Semitic violence?

I understand the intention but the song's link to New Year's Day is tenuous at best (and is not mentioned in the article), so I wouldn't recommend this going up on New Year's Day given that the recording was actually for Christmas Eve, a completely separate date. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231219021100","author":"Narutolovehinata5","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Narutolovehinata5-20231219021100-Gerda_Arendt-20231216191200","replies":["c-Z1720-20231222141600-Narutolovehinata5-20231219021100"]}}-->

New enough, long enough. There is one sentence that needs a citation, and I added a cn tag to indicate where (there's a hidden note with a reference, not sure what that is about). No plagiarism detected. Hooks are cited and interesting. ALT0 would be good for Christmas Eve. ALT1 is cited to German sources so I will AGF the sources. QPQ done. Please ping me when the above concern has been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231222141600","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Z1720-20231222141600-Narutolovehinata5-20231219021100","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-20231222144400-Z1720-20231222141600"]}}-->

Thank you for the review! - It's probably no secret that I derived this article from Hevenu shalom aleichem. There, I had a source also for French and Spanish, but didn't find one yet for this one, and dropped the hidden comment. The sentence is true also for Shalom chaverim, not by my first-hand experience in Germany alone (where its sung often, and always in Hebrew when I watched), but the source for German that lists it in Hebrew and names a lot of books (I count 56), and the source for English that lists it in Hebrew and names 37 hymnals. If that's not enough, we can probably omit the sentence. - I prefer the original hook, mentioning an album with an article recorded at Carnegie Hall, really indicating significance, - vs. unnamed memorial events. I think it can still run on New Year's Day, when also the naming of Jesus is celebrated, - Christmastide is not just one evening or day. I'm not against it on Christmas Eve, but have already 1/2 article in that set, and would love to mention shalom to start 1924. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231222144400","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20231222144400-Z1720-20231222141600","replies":["c-Z1720-20231222144900-Gerda_Arendt-20231222144400"]}}-->

Approved. The uncited sentence has been resolved, article is still long enough. I still recommend for Christmas Eve as running it on New Years might confuse readers about why we are running a hook a week "late". Z1720 (talk) 14:49, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231222144900","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Z1720-20231222144900-Gerda_Arendt-20231222144400","replies":[]}}-->