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Archive 1

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Official or state religion

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Argentina has separation between state and church, catholicism is not official, im correcting it.Maberk

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I think the official and state religion in Argentina IS Catholicism, even though there's freedom of creed (libertad de culto). You can check these pages from Ministery of Economy and Buenos Aires Gov .- Mariano 07:30, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

This was the subject of some discussion in the Spanish wiki. Juridical opinion on the matter is far from clear, but there is no specific statement avowing official status. The exact wording in the Constitution ("el estado soporta", my emphasis) is usually taken to mean economic support (which is effectively granted only to the Catholic Church). 62.57.7.25 20:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-19T20:09:00.000Z","author":"62.57.7.25","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-62.57.7.25-2005-11-19T20:09:00.000Z-68.85.133.204-2005-05-22T17:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Popular cults

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I'm moving some un-wiki-like content inserted by 64.76.47.107, so we do something about it if possible. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-11T15:30:00.000Z","author":"Pablo-flores","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pablo-flores-2005-11-11T15:30:00.000Z-Popular_cults","replies":[],"displayName":"Pablo D. Flores"}}-->

Ceferino Namuncura is very popular. The virgen Itati is very popular. The virgen india in La Rioja. Señor de Mailin in Santiago del Estero. The virgen Urkupiña (Salta and Jujuy).

Not sure what this is- translate and it might go well in the article.

En la Patagonia y gran parte del resto del país se venera a Ceferino Namuncurá, nacido en Chimpay, provincia de Río Negro, hijo de una cautiva criolla y un "lonco" mapuche.

En la provincia de Corrientes se venera al gaucho Gil, advocación de la virgen de Itatí y a Curuzu Jose.

En la provincias de Salta y Jujuy se veneran a las advocaciones de la virgen de El Rosario y de Las Mercedes y a la virgen del rio blanco y paypaya.

En Santiago del Estero se venera al señor de Mailín, la virgen de Huachana y la virgen de Sumampa.

En Bariloche se venera a la virgen de las Nieves y a la virgen del Nahuel Huapi.

En Catamarca se venera a la virgen del Valle.

En la provincia de Buenos Aires se venera a las advocaciones llamadas vírgenes de San Nicolás de los Arroyos, y Luján, tambien a Pancho Sierra.

En Cordoba de venera a la virgen de Punilla.

En Neuquén se venera a la advocación de la virgen de Andacollo.

En La Rioja se venera al Niño Alcalde y al Cristo de la Peña y a la virgen india de Sanagasta.

En Misiones es venerada la virgen de Iguazu.

En San Juan y gran parte del país se venera a la Difunta Correa y a la virgen del valle de Tulum.

En La Pampa se venera a Santa Maria de La Pampa.

En Santa Cruz se venera a la virgen de Guer Aike.

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This anon user is undoubtedly trying to contribute, but not getting it right. I can't do much today; tomorrow I'll take the text, translate what I can, and make a big single paragraph of it leaving out the links (unless someone wants to research on all those virgins and saints). --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-13T14:35:00.000Z","author":"Pablo-flores","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pablo-flores-2005-11-13T14:35:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2005-11-12T13:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Pablo D. Flores"}}-->

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Saints and different Virgin Mary names

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It would be interesting to make a reference to the cult of Saints, which is predominent in Argentina, as well as to the various "virgin Maries", to whom you are supposed to pray to get a specific request. There is a Saint and a Mary for every type of request, and people tend to have private mini-altars in their homes. Sprotch 04:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-07-11T04:02:00.000Z","author":"Sprotch","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sprotch-2005-07-11T04:02:00.000Z-Saints_and_different_Virgin_Mary_names","replies":["c-Damifb-2007-07-10T10:41:00.000Z-Sprotch-2005-07-11T04:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

This is wrong, we are not Afghanistan. At least in cities, people DON'T have private mini-altars in their homes.--Damifb 10:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-10T10:41:00.000Z","author":"Damifb","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Damifb-2007-07-10T10:41:00.000Z-Sprotch-2005-07-11T04:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

An important aclaration: We are not talking here about "Virgins". They are different advociations of the same Holy Virgin Maria, the mather of Jesus, daughter of Saint Ana. The different names came from different aspect of her live, or different forms of representation of Myriam, Maria for the spanish spoken. The Virgin Maria is also considered saint, and more, she was the example of all saints after him. This can be readed in their biographies. I will change virgins per Virgin Mary names, I suppose it's clear why.

Off the top of my head I can say San Cayetano (saint patron of labor, massive pilgrimages to ask or thank for work on his day); Virgen del Rosario de San Nicolás (main shrine in San Nicolás de los Arroyos), who supposedly talks to a woman and asked for a basilica to be built for her; Virgen de Luján (Luján, Buenos Aires). I don't know much about this. I know no-one who has a domestic mini-altar (though stamps in special places are common). --Pablo D. Flores 10:37, 11 July 2005 (UTC)k__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-07-11T10:37:00.000Z","author":"Pablo-flores","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pablo-flores-2005-07-11T10:37:00.000Z-Saints_and_different_Virgin_Mary_names","replies":[],"displayName":"Pablo D. Flores"}}-->

You could add more pagan figures such as Difunta Correa -Mariano 10:41, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

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State-church relations

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I've just incorporated some content about the document released by the Episcopal Conference on 12 November 2005. This topic is obviously of interest to me, but I'm worrying that the "conflicts" section is already larger than the rest of the article (and bound to grow much larger, it seems). The "Kirchner" section is of course what takes up most of it, but it'd be very good to have a history of State-Church relations in Argentina, since 1983 or better, since the beginning of the Republic, if at least as a series of section stubs. Should we move the "conflicts" content to a separate article? Should it be State-Church relations in Argentina? Only State-Church relations in Argentina during the Kirchner administration? Opinions are welcome. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 11:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-14T11:34:00.000Z","author":"Pablo-flores","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pablo-flores-2005-11-14T11:34:00.000Z-State-church_relations","replies":["c-Marianocecowski-2005-11-14T12:44:00.000Z-Pablo-flores-2005-11-14T11:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pablo D. Flores"}}-->

Hi Pablo. I don't know exactly what to tell you, but to take a look at the articles in Category:Religion and politics. Following the naming convension of Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it might be good to use State-Church conflicts in Argentina, as an article in Category:History of Argentina. Mariano(t/c) 12:44, 14 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-14T12:44:00.000Z","author":"Marianocecowski","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Marianocecowski-2005-11-14T12:44:00.000Z-Pablo-flores-2005-11-14T11:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Pablo-flores-2005-11-15T14:05:00.000Z-Marianocecowski-2005-11-14T12:44:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mariano"}}-->

Well, let us hope we don't come to such extremes... "Relations" seems more general, though of course, good news are no news, so most of the article will be taken up by conflicts. I'm gathering some historical (non-recent) material to flesh up the beginning. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-15T14:05:00.000Z","author":"Pablo-flores","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pablo-flores-2005-11-15T14:05:00.000Z-Marianocecowski-2005-11-14T12:44:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Pablo D. Flores"}}-->

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Cábalas

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Would it be good to have something on Argentine 'beliefs'? Say, Cábalas (not the Jewish ones, but more of the 'touch your right one' kind), red 'pulseritas', etc? Hard not to fall in the original research hole, but seams worth trying. Mariano(t/c) 07:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-04-26T07:43:00.000Z","author":"Marianocecowski","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marianocecowski-2006-04-26T07:43:00.000Z-C\u00e1balas","replies":["c-Damifb-2007-07-10T10:45:00.000Z-Marianocecowski-2006-04-26T07:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mariano"}}-->

Hmmm. I don't think it goes under "religion"...--Damifb 10:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-10T10:45:00.000Z","author":"Damifb","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Damifb-2007-07-10T10:45:00.000Z-Marianocecowski-2006-04-26T07:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Judaism

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One of the Jewish groups in Argentina includes the Sephardi Jews, composed of Spanish and Portuguese migrants to Argentina. Migration began in the 18th century and continued until a few years after birth of Israel. A majority of Sephardi Jews migrated to Argentina as a result of Argentina and the Sephardi migrants speaking spanish. However, after the creation of Israel, Sephardi tensions amongst Islamic countries began to rise resulting in the remaining Sephardi populations, found mainly in Morocco, migrating to Argentina. Buenos Aires holds almost the entire Sephardic Jewish population in Argentina, home to roughly 50,000. In Argentina, Sephardi Jews remained separate of Ashkenazim Jews, who in the later half of the 20th century, made up most of the Jewish population in Latin America. However, as an overwhelming amount of of the Argentinian population became Ashkenazic, the Sephardic Jews were faced with marrying outside of the Sephardi Jewish community. This shift additionally encouraged the Sephardic Jews in Latin America to create the FESELA to raise awareness of their minority status within the countries and become active in promoting cultural events and educational projects in an effort to maintain their cultural legacy.^[1]

References

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Peer Review

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Great Job. The one thing I would recommend is deleting the very last section regarding religious affiliation in Argentina because it is talked about throughout the article. Other than that I thought you did a great job as you brought in relevant outside information and you formulated your sentences well. Jmpfer04 (talk) 15:41, 29 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-29T15:41:00.000Z","author":"Jmpfer04","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jmpfer04-2017-03-29T15:41:00.000Z-Peer_Review","replies":[]}}-->

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