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Station layout

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The “Station layout” section shows a table of four rows labeled G, 1F, 2F, 3F. To me, it seems as if it's describing four levels, from G (which it labels “street level”) through three underground levels (1F, 2F, 3F). But the actual Pentagon Station only has two underground levels, as described in the article text immediately following the table. Is the table in error, or is there a style convention here that isn't obvious to the casual reader? Unician ∇ 08:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-23T08:35:00.000Z","author":"Unician","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Unician-2014-07-23T08:35:00.000Z-Station_layout","replies":["c-Golbez-2014-07-23T18:31:00.000Z-Unician-2014-07-23T08:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

The line after the table states that the trains are on two separate levels; this doesn't mean the mezzanine can't be on another level. It doesn't specify "two underground levels" that I see. --Golbez (talk) 18:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-23T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Golbez","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Golbez-2014-07-23T18:31:00.000Z-Unician-2014-07-23T08:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Unician-2014-07-23T20:37:00.000Z-Golbez-2014-07-23T18:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Exactly — the separate table rows and sequential numbering suggest that there are three underground levels, which is incorrect. Is there a convention among articles about WMATA Metrorail stations that the mezzanine should be listed on its own line, even if it's not on its own level? (This confusion occurs on a number of station articles, so it's not just a question of making a quick edit to this one.) Unician ∇ 20:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-23T20:37:00.000Z","author":"Unician","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Unician-2014-07-23T20:37:00.000Z-Golbez-2014-07-23T18:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The result of the move request was: moved. There does appear to be a consensus for the moves. An objection was raised to Pentagon Station, but it was also pointed out that it could be dealt with via a hatnote. Number 5 7 16:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-06T16:23:00.000Z","author":"Number 57","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Number_57-2015-02-06T16:23:00.000Z-Requested_move_23_December_2014","replies":[],"displayName":"Number"}}-->

– Following the move of the Green Line stations per the new WP:USSTATION guideline, these stations should have WP:NATURAL disambiguation (and eventually, consistency within the whole system). I think consensus there can be interpreted as a mandate to move them all, but for now, I thought this would be helpful for more pairs of eyes to check for possible naming conflicts. Note that Crystal City and Huntington need disambiguation. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","author":"BDD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z-Requested_move_23_December_2014","replies":["c-67.70.35.44-2014-12-23T23:39:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","c-Dicklyon-2014-12-24T23:53:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","c-NotUnusual-2014-12-29T06:28:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","c-Dicklyon-2015-01-05T02:34:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","c-Cuchullain-2015-01-05T14:51:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","c-Scottalter-2015-01-06T02:40:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","c-AjaxSmack-2015-01-23T03:19:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","c-Dicklyon-2015-01-23T05:17:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oppose "Pentagon Station", that should be an index (transport stations named Pentagon), for Pentagon (WMATA station) , Pentagon City (WMATA station), Pentagon bus station ; or it should redirect to Pentagon (disambiguation) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 23:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-23T23:39:00.000Z","author":"67.70.35.44","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-67.70.35.44-2014-12-23T23:39:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hold pending the outcome of Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2014 December#Greenbelt Station, which is being used erroneously as a precedent for capitalization. I might also oppose for other reasons, but let's get this figured out first. Dicklyon (talk) 23:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-24T23:53:00.000Z","author":"Dicklyon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dicklyon-2014-12-24T23:53:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Support. Judging from WP:NCDAB, "WMATA station" is an overly descriptive disambiguator. NotUnusual (talk) 06:28, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-29T06:28:00.000Z","author":"NotUnusual","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NotUnusual-2014-12-29T06:28:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Problem: User:Epicgenius has gone ahead and moved a bunch of these pages, and more, with capitalized "Station", citing the Greenbelt RM as reason, without waiting for the resolution of the case question or this RM discussion or others. Dicklyon (talk) 02:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-05T02:34:00.000Z","author":"Dicklyon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dicklyon-2015-01-05T02:34:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Support. There is clear consensus for the WP:USSTATION guidelines and the proposed titles better follow policy in regards to WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, WP:NATURAL, and WP:RECOGNIZABILITY.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-05T14:51:00.000Z","author":"Cuchullain","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cuchullain-2015-01-05T14:51:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"C\u00fachullain"}}-->
Support per WP:USSTATION. Adding station to the article title provides natural disambiguation, without the need for parenthetical disambiguation (in most cases) per WP:NATURAL. Regarding capitalization, if "station" is not in the official name (and I do not think it is), then it should be lowercase. If "Station" is in the official station name, then it should be capitalized. As for Pentagon Station, it should have a hatnote to a new disambiguation page for other uses of Pentagon Station with the links mentioned by 67.70.35.44. Also, I added the word "Station" to Crystal City, which seems to have been left out. --Scott Alter (talk) 02:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-06T02:40:00.000Z","author":"Scottalter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Scottalter-2015-01-06T02:40:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dicklyon-2015-01-06T02:43:00.000Z-Scottalter-2015-01-06T02:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Scott Alter"}}-->

Pentagon station is almost always lowercase "station" in books. Since station is not part of the official name, you should better qualify your support for this badly formed proposal. Dicklyon (talk) 02:43, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-06T02:43:00.000Z","author":"Dicklyon","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dicklyon-2015-01-06T02:43:00.000Z-Scottalter-2015-01-06T02:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-BDD-2015-01-06T14:21:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2015-01-06T02:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Most of those use a definite article though, indicating a descriptive rather than proper name. Pentagon Station is the Pentagon station (i.e., the station named "Pentagon Station" is the station that serves the Pentagon). And using descriptive names isn't really an option here when we have actual names to go by. --BDD (talk) 14:21, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-06T14:21:00.000Z","author":"BDD","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BDD-2015-01-06T14:21:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2015-01-06T02:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Scottalter-2015-01-06T20:54:00.000Z-BDD-2015-01-06T14:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

I changed Crystal City Station back to use WMATA. It needs to be disambiguated between the VRE station in the same city with the same name. Using Virginia as a disambiguator makes the article still ambiguous in this case. See Crystal City station. --Scott Alter (talk) 20:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-06T20:54:00.000Z","author":"Scottalter","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Scottalter-2015-01-06T20:54:00.000Z-BDD-2015-01-06T14:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-BDD-2015-01-07T14:41:00.000Z-Scottalter-2015-01-06T20:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Scott Alter"}}-->

Good call. I've redirected Crystal City station to Crystal City though—see WP:INCDAB. --BDD (talk) 14:41, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-07T14:41:00.000Z","author":"BDD","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-BDD-2015-01-07T14:41:00.000Z-Scottalter-2015-01-06T20:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Scottalter-2015-01-07T17:13:00.000Z-BDD-2015-01-07T14:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

With the current names, I agree that a separate DAB page is not needed. But when (if) both articles are renamed to "Crystal City station (WMATA)" and "Crystal City station (VRE)", then there should be a DAB page at "Crystal City station" - which is why I created it and think it can stand. --Scott Alter (talk) 17:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-07T17:13:00.000Z","author":"Scottalter","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Scottalter-2015-01-07T17:13:00.000Z-BDD-2015-01-07T14:41:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Scott Alter"}}-->

Support per nom with "Station" capitalized as the signs at the stations do. Would greatly prefer "Washington Metro" as a disambiguator to "WMATA" or "Virginia" which are far less helpful to readers seeking the correct article. (Yes, I know that other systems use the stations but their primary use is by Metro train and bus). — AjaxSmack 03:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-23T03:19:00.000Z","author":"AjaxSmack","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AjaxSmack-2015-01-23T03:19:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Oppose the capitalized "Station" per the new USSTATION guidelines. See more comments at [Talk:Vienna_(WMATA_station)#Requested_move_23_December_2014]]. Dicklyon (talk) 05:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-23T05:17:00.000Z","author":"Dicklyon","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dicklyon-2015-01-23T05:17:00.000Z-BDD-2014-12-23T18:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jmchuff-2015-02-01T09:59:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2015-01-23T05:17:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Also oppose the capitalized "Station". WMATA doesn't use "Station" in the names on their Web site. I think that the names are really descriptive terms saying where they're at (as in "the station at The Pentagon") and that the stations aren't unique entities themselves but instead pieces of the overall rail system and of the places they serve (see proper name)

Lastly, this same capitalization discussion is occurring on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (US stations). Jason McHuff (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-01T09:59:00.000Z","author":"Jmchuff","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jmchuff-2015-02-01T09:59:00.000Z-Dicklyon-2015-01-23T05:17:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Jason McHuff"}}-->

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