Talk:Monumento de la Fundación de México-Tenochtitlan

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English title?

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Is there a more appropriate page title for this article, perhaps in English? ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-26T15:19:00.000Z","author":"Another Believer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T15:19:00.000Z-English_title?","replies":["c-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T19:29:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T15:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

@MX: Curious if you have any thoughts about an English title. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:29, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-26T19:29:00.000Z","author":"Another Believer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T19:29:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T15:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-MX-2018-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T19:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
It would be the "Monument of the Founding of Mexico−Tenochtitlan". I tried Google-ing this phrase but it seems like no English source has translated it in their language. I would double-check to see if "Fundación" is even capitalized. I saw some sources not do it. MX () 19:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-26T19:40:00.000Z","author":"MX","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MX-2018-11-26T19:40:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T19:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T22:05:00.000Z-MX-2018-11-26T19:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
@MX: I created the article based on the 2 inline citations used in the current version of the article. I am definitely open to other titles based on secondary coverage, and I'm not sure if an English translation is appropriate if no English sources use "Monument of the Founding of Mexico−Tenochtitlan". ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:05, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-26T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Another Believer","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T22:05:00.000Z-MX-2018-11-26T19:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@In ictu oculi: Do you happen to have an opinion here? I'm not sure what the rules are for English-language translations at English Wikipedia. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:34, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-11-26T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Another Believer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Another_Believer-2018-11-26T22:34:00.000Z-English_title?","replies":[]}}-->

I suspect most people who want to find an article on this topic will use the Spanish name. I couldn't find any sites on Google that use an English-language title. Trip Advisor calls it "Monumento a la Mexicandidad", which can be translated to the awkward "Monument of Mexicaness". As for the question of capitalization of "fundacíon", I see no reason to use the cap.Michael E Nolan (talk) 23:00, 21 January 2019 (UTC)Michael E Nolan[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-21T23:00:00.000Z","author":"Michael E Nolan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Michael_E_Nolan-2019-01-21T23:00:00.000Z-English_title?","replies":["c-AlanM1-2019-03-21T06:17:00.000Z-Michael_E_Nolan-2019-01-21T23:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

I found and added another government source, the Historic Center website, which calls it Monumento a la Fundación de México-Tenochtitlán. Note the a (to) instead of de (of) and the final á. Assuming it is, indeed, a stress mark, it does sound correct that the last syllable is stressed, though perhaps a native speaker can comment on whether it is unnecessarily redundant (i.e. would the last syllable be stressed without the mark?). The two cited government sources and Brittanica use á. ["monument of the foundation of mexico-tenochtitlan" nGrams] show significant usage of both – currently 9:4 without the accent. I don't find any hits in a Google search for "monument of the foundation of mexico-tenochtitlan" or "monument to..." —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-21T06:17:00.000Z","author":"AlanM1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AlanM1-2019-03-21T06:17:00.000Z-Michael_E_Nolan-2019-01-21T23:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Another_Believer-2019-03-21T14:38:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-03-21T06:17:00.000Z"]}}-->
AlanM1, Thanks for contributing to this discussion. I do not speak Spanish, so I'm not comfortable saying much more here, but I definitely want the name of this article to be correct, whether Spanish or English. Are there any other editors you may be able to bring into this conversation? ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:38, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-21T14:38:00.000Z","author":"Another Believer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Another_Believer-2019-03-21T14:38:00.000Z-AlanM1-2019-03-21T06:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Location? Neighborhood?

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Anyone able to add coordinates and/or an appropriate neighborhood category? Is the monument within the Historic center of Mexico City? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-21T01:55:00.000Z","author":"Another Believer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Another_Believer-2019-03-21T01:55:00.000Z-Location?_Neighborhood?","replies":["c-Another_Believer-2019-03-21T02:17:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2019-03-21T01:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

@AlanM1: Thanks for adding coordinates. I've added the category. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-21T02:17:00.000Z","author":"Another Believer","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Another_Believer-2019-03-21T02:17:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2019-03-21T01:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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