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It has NOT been on permanent display at the Louvre in Paris since 1797.

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The lede states that "it has been on permanent display at the Louvre in Paris since 1797," but that sentence is clearly wrong and needs to be removed or reworded. Aside from the fact that - according to this very same article - "during the Franco-Prussian War (1870–1871), the painting was moved from the Louvre to the Brest Arsenal," the Mona Lisa was missing for 2 years after being stolen in 1911. Then we read that "during World War II, it was again removed from the Louvre and taken first to the Château d'Amboise, then to the Loc-Dieu Abbey and Château de Chambord, then finally to the Musée Ingres in Montauban," that "from December 1962 to March 1963, the French government lent it to the United States to be displayed in New York City and Washington, D.C.", and that "in 1974, the painting was exhibited in Tokyo and Moscow." Some people only read the lede of an article and those people are going to come away mistakenly believing that ... well ... that the Mona Lisa has been on permanent display at the Louvre in Paris since 1797, when that simply isn't true... FillsHerTease (talk) 19:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303192700","author":"FillsHerTease","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FillsHerTease-20240303192700-It_has_NOT_been_on_permanent_display_at_the_Louvre_in_Paris_since_1797.","replies":["c-Johnbod-20240303194400-FillsHerTease-20240303192700"]}}-->

Ok, I think a "normally" will cover it. No doubt they've often removed it for inspection and conservation, as museums usually do. Johnbod (talk) 19:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303194400","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-20240303194400-FillsHerTease-20240303192700","replies":["c-FillsHerTease-20240304030400-Johnbod-20240303194400"]}}-->

Thank you. I didn't want to edit an article as important as this. I wasn't even sure if I would be able to!

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Thank you 41.223.73.228 (talk) 17:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826175800","author":"41.223.73.228","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-41.223.73.228-20240826175800-FillsHerTease-20240304030400","replies":[]}}-->

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Mona Lisa and Madison Elizabeth

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I like the Mona Lisa a lot because it sounds like my name. Mona is short for Madonna, which sounds like Madison. Lisa is short for Elisabeta, which sounds like Elizabeth. I also look like the lady in the Mona Lisa. Madison Elizabeth Michelle (talk) 15:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240322155000","author":"Madison Elizabeth Michelle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Madison_Elizabeth_Michelle-20240322155000-Mona_Lisa_and_Madison_Elizabeth","replies":[]}}-->

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Proposal to add a book reference: Jean-Pierre Mohen, Michel Menu, Bruno Mottin, Mona Lisa: Inside the Painting, Harry N. Abrams, Inc., 2006 (ISBN-13 ‏: ‎978-0810943155). as already added to the french version of this page. Dureisseix (talk) 14:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503140200","author":"Dureisseix","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dureisseix-20240503140200-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_3_May_2024","replies":["c-FlightTime-20240503140600-Dureisseix-20240503140200"]}}-->

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 14:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240503140600","author":"FlightTime","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FlightTime-20240503140600-Dureisseix-20240503140200","replies":[]}}-->

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1956 acid attack (redux)

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No one has ever thrown acid on the Mona Lisa, as far as I can tell, and certainly not in 1956. But in 2003, a user added a false claim to that effect ([1]) — source unknown. In 2019, after checking historical newspapers, I removed the text ([2]) and added a note on the talk page.

Unfortunately, since 2003, various internet articles have included the acid attack (“5 times people have attacked the Mona Lisa!”) — yet another citogenesis incident. Recently, in January, User:Borgenland re-added info on the attack along with a cite ([3]); I’ve just removed it. Flamerule (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602172400","author":"Flamerule","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flamerule-20240602172400-1956_acid_attack_(redux)","replies":["c-Borgenland-20240602172800-Flamerule-20240602172400"]}}-->

I assumed good faith in that source but will not object to its removal if that is the case. Borgenland (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602172800","author":"Borgenland","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Borgenland-20240602172800-Flamerule-20240602172400","replies":[]}}-->

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On doit écrire le nom Monna Lisa avec 2 m m... car Mona est un vulgarité en Italian... Comme la chatte en français ...

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Monna Lisa et pas Mona Lisa Mona = Chatte en italien 2A01:E0A:199:6700:928:E8A0:2369:9CEA (talk) 12:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611124500","author":"2A01:E0A:199:6700:928:E8A0:2369:9CEA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2A01:E0A:199:6700:928:E8A0:2369:9CEA-20240611124500-On_doit_\u00e9crire_le_nom_Monna_Lisa_avec_2_m_m..._car_Mona_est_un_vulgarit\u00e9_en_It","replies":[]}}-->