This page should be deleted due to lack of notability Pdmack (talk) 16:09, 14 October 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-14T16:09:00.000Z","author":"Pdmack","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pdmack-2016-10-14T16:09:00.000Z-Notability","replies":["c-JJMC89-2016-10-14T16:45:00.000Z-Pdmack-2016-10-14T16:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
He is a thought criminal so the page must be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40B:8403:9958:7151:C6F8:C76E:7BCE (talk) 19:10, 16 October 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-16T19:10:00.000Z","author":"2601:40B:8403:9958:7151:C6F8:C76E:7BCE","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:40B:8403:9958:7151:C6F8:C76E:7BCE-2016-10-16T19:10:00.000Z-Notability","replies":[]}}-->
https://infogalactic.com/w/index.php?title=Mike_Cernovich has a much better page on Cernovich, we could use that. Weaselkeeper (talk) 20:26, 16 October 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-16T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Weaselkeeper","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Weaselkeeper-2016-10-16T20:26:00.000Z-Notability","replies":[]}}-->
TROLLS FOR TRUMP, Meet Mike Cernovich, the meme mastermind of the alt-right. By Andrew Marantz, New Yorker, 31 October 2016
By the way, the "controversy" section is too long. TweedVest (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-24T15:59:00.000Z","author":"TweedVest","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TweedVest-2016-10-24T15:59:00.000Z-New_source","replies":[]}}-->
It's a major article by journalist who spent a bunch of time with Cernovich. Have added a lot using it as a source. --BoogaLouie (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-04T21:07:00.000Z","author":"BoogaLouie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BoogaLouie-2016-11-04T21:07:00.000Z-New_source","replies":[]}}-->
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Mike Cernovich is not a men's right activist: https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/799710458907217921
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Mike Cernovich is not alt-right.
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/800843651672723456
http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/08/31/is-mike-cernovich-part-of-the-alt-right/ Dasadidas (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-23T02:29:00.000Z","author":"Dasadidas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dasadidas-2016-11-23T02:29:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_23_November_2016","replies":["c-Grayfell-2016-11-23T04:33:00.000Z-Dasadidas-2016-11-23T02:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
Please take out the alt-right social media context. Just because people follow him does not make his message alt-right only. 2605:A601:904:B900:C49D:8161:9CEB:FA75 (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-24T14:22:00.000Z","author":"2605:A601:904:B900:C49D:8161:9CEB:FA75","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2605:A601:904:B900:C49D:8161:9CEB:FA75-2016-11-24T14:22:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_24_November_2016","replies":["c-Grayfell-2016-11-24T23:48:00.000Z-2605:A601:904:B900:C49D:8161:9CEB:FA75-2016-11-24T14:22:00.000Z"]}}-->
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I did my best to clean up the sourcing here. The problem is much of the article relies on a single New Yorker opinion piece: Trolls for Trump. From WP:NEWSORG:
When you eliminate that and the self-sourcing, there's not much meat here beyond two authors' opinions of Cernovich (New Yorker and Daily Beast.) Do others agree? Should ite be proposed for deletion? James J. Lambden (talk) 21:03, 28 November 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-28T21:03:00.000Z","author":"James J. Lambden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-James_J._Lambden-2016-11-28T21:03:00.000Z-AfD?","replies":[]}}-->
I've nominated this article for deletion (link.) James J. Lambden (talk) 02:50, 29 November 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-29T02:50:00.000Z","author":"James J. Lambden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-James_J._Lambden-2016-11-29T02:50:00.000Z-AfD?","replies":[]}}-->
@Somedifferentstuff: Why remove this? It's standard procedure to have a link to a subjects official website. It's not an endorsement, just an additional resource for the user. See {{Infobox person}}. — Strongjam (talk) 16:50, 25 January 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-01-25T16:50:00.000Z","author":"Strongjam","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Strongjam-2017-01-25T16:50:00.000Z-Website_param_for_infobox","replies":["c-Somedifferentstuff-2017-01-27T11:43:00.000Z-Strongjam-2017-01-25T16:50:00.000Z"]}}-->
The references either mention Cernovich as alt-right in passing or show that he's alt-right, but he's not a racist. Yet the linked wikipedia page defines the alt-right as a type of white supremicist, etc., which is not consistent with sources obviously using the term alt-right very losely. Thus, this article is engaging in original research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.215.124.15 (talk) 12 January 2017
The IP is correct. I have removed the description from the lead per WP:BLP. Wikipedia is calling the subject something that he himself refutes (that is sourced later in the article). Mr Ernie (talk) 19:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-16T19:56:00.000Z","author":"Mr Ernie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mr_Ernie-2017-02-16T19:56:00.000Z-Alt-Right_term_in_lede_is_Original_Research","replies":["c-Grayfell-2017-02-16T20:14:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2017-02-16T19:56:00.000Z","c-Mr_Ernie-2017-02-16T20:47:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2017-02-16T19:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
...the new ambiguity about who is or isn’t part of the alt-right, or the alt-light, or new right.
The best way to convince editors the label is due is with specifics: which sources and what text? James J. Lambden (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-19T21:29:00.000Z","author":"James J. Lambden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-James_J._Lambden-2017-02-19T21:29:00.000Z-Alt-Right_term_in_lede_is_Original_Research","replies":["c-Parabolist-2017-02-19T21:47:00.000Z-James_J._Lambden-2017-02-19T21:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
All 3 of these of these sources support the former alt-right label [1] [2] [3] as well as this self description [4] -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 05:46, 21 February 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-21T05:46:00.000Z","author":"Somedifferentstuff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Somedifferentstuff-2017-02-21T05:46:00.000Z-Sourcing_that_supports_former_alt-right_description","replies":[]}}-->
See this source [5] and this edit [6] regarding "new right". -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 06:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-21T06:26:00.000Z","author":"Somedifferentstuff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Somedifferentstuff-2017-02-21T06:26:00.000Z-Sourcing_that_supports_former_alt-right_description","replies":["c-James_J._Lambden-2017-02-22T19:15:00.000Z-Somedifferentstuff-2017-02-21T06:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
The feud was a positive step in his mission to separate himself from the alt-right.
Cernovich said he “for sure” sees himself as the leader of the “new right.”
This reads more like a hit-piece than an encyclopedic entry. it proclaims him a member of the alt-right despite no sources to back it up. At the bottom under "Media and Views", it says he admits to being a misogynist. The source given is a sarcastic tweet making fun of Canadian policies. I'm gonna go ahead and remove this unless someone gives a good reason not to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.76.56 (talk) 06:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC) The lead says other people call him a member of the alt-right, but is that really fair? Clearly the purpose of labeling him as such is to discredit him. I don't like other people's attacks on him being one of the first things people read when they come here. The page has definitely improved, and I'm not going to change it again, but I think it should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.76.56 (talk) 03:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-21T06:08:00.000Z","author":"173.23.76.56","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-173.23.76.56-2017-02-21T06:08:00.000Z-Extremely_biased_article","replies":[]}}-->
Parabolist Removed the sentence She comes from a secular Muslim Persian background. with this edit. I feel that considering the subject being called as alt-right, new-right, and conservative that this is useful information to put in. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-01T22:52:00.000Z","author":"Emir of Wikipedia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-03-01T22:52:00.000Z-Ethnicity_and_religion_of_wife","replies":["c-Parabolist-2017-03-01T23:51:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-03-01T22:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
She comes from a secular Muslim Persian background.
Why don't you link to the "debunked" part of the pizzagate scandal, you ideological shill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3B98:E020:7D43:4E0C:A5F2:1590 (talk) 02:51, 30 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-30T02:51:00.000Z","author":"2602:306:3B98:E020:7D43:4E0C:A5F2:1590","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2602:306:3B98:E020:7D43:4E0C:A5F2:1590-2017-03-30T02:51:00.000Z-to_the_knob_who_wrote_the_article","replies":[]}}-->
please change ((STD)) to ((Sexually transmitted infection|STD)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4305:C70:CD62:384B:46E2:BB7E (talk • contribs)
This is regarding this edit. He is prolific in his social media and self-publishing output, but that isn't sufficient for including material. Yes, some of it might be scandalous or particularly offensive, or maybe some editors find the content removed to be brilliant, but either way, Wikipedia is not a platform to share his opinions. Without secondary, reliable sources, this should be kept to basic details per WP:BLPSPS. He isn't reliable for statements of fact, nor is he a recognized expert in sexuality or military history or politics or drugs, so his opinions on those things need outside context. Grayfell (talk) 06:49, 13 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-13T06:49:00.000Z","author":"Grayfell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grayfell-2017-04-13T06:49:00.000Z-Secondary_sources_for_views_and_opinions","replies":[]}}-->
The wording, especially in the intro paragraph is extremely biased. Not only should that info be reserved for the body of the article, but it should be rewritten to be less biased and editorialized.
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I agree that aspects of this article seem unencyclopedic and biased, however, finding credible information on Cernovich is difficult. For example, the Amazon.com page for his book Gorilla Mindset claims it is a 2015 best-seller, however, no 2015 best-seller list lists it as such. Also, what is the basis that it was the "most successful non-fiction book launch of 2015"?
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Hi,
I stumbled upon this page earlier and could not help myself from getting quite upset at the entirety of the content in this Page. My animosity grew after inspecting the talk page and history page. What is up with this? My faith in Wikipedia has been dealt a significant blow.. I would go into detail regarding my grievances but have decided to save that for another day- I am starting this thread to open a dialogue concerning my grievances about the Page and anything that may be related. I will end this post by adding a simple breakdown of the references currently used for this Page.. the lopsidedness of sourcing truly is a fallacy to everyone that has viewed this page in seeking accurate information about Mike Cernovich.
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Ya, I understand that. But Wikipedia states that articles should reflect a neutral point of view.. Judging by the talk page and history of revisions I think it is safe to say that this is a contentious Page. I have found numerous instances of erroneous or misleading statements made in this article due to unreliable sourcing and failure to remain objective. I believe that this issue is mostly a result of structural design flaws in the way Wikipedia articles are managed.. everyone holds inherent beliefs that may influence their writing, potentially voiding any sense of impartiality on the part of editors. Moreover, Mike Cernovich belongs to an interesting subset of persons as he is, more or less, engaged in confronting what pop-culture has ascribed the title of fake news to. Inarguably, his main competitors are the ones where most of this Page is deriving its references from- I see that as a monumental injustice, regardless of the topics contained in the Page. (Bryochemist (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-05T17:22:00.000Z","author":"Bryochemist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bryochemist-2017-06-05T17:22:00.000Z-Page_shows_flagrant_and_pervasive_bias","replies":["c-PeterTheFourth-2017-06-05T19:17:00.000Z-Bryochemist-2017-06-05T17:22:00.000Z","c-DrFleischman-2017-06-22T21:18:00.000Z-Bryochemist-2017-06-05T17:22:00.000Z"]}}-->
References
"On topic" my ass. If they want to "vent" by casting aspersion, calling us "scumbags", and similar behavior, they should do it elsewhere. This is spinning wild conspiracies about named editors based on a superficial understanding of their edit histories and an even thinner understanding of Wikipedia peppered with trivial mentions of extremely vague, totally unactionable complaints about the article. Don't be credulous to that kind of trolling. Grayfell (talk) 10:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-23T10:18:00.000Z","author":"Grayfell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grayfell-2017-06-23T10:18:00.000Z-Page_shows_flagrant_and_pervasive_bias","replies":["c-There'sNoTime-2017-06-23T10:38:00.000Z-Grayfell-2017-06-23T10:18:00.000Z"]}}-->
calling us "scumbags"
self-described trolling tactic Cernovich is known for
Since this says it was expunged why is it included? Doesn't including an expunged conviction clearly violate the wikipedia BLP? This sort of thing is always removed from Hollywood-type stars' wikipedia pages. Seems like the editors here are saying that because he's perceived to be politically conservative that other rules or interpretations of wikipedia's rules should apply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.215.113.195 (talk) 04:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-18T04:12:00.000Z","author":"143.215.113.195","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-143.215.113.195-2017-04-18T04:12:00.000Z-Section_titled_\"Battery_conviction\"","replies":["c-Yukterez-2017-04-23T03:00:00.000Z-143.215.113.195-2017-04-18T04:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
Still zero explanation for why including an expunged charge is justifiable, except as an indirect attempt to smear the man. It's clearly listed in his "personal life" section, with absolutely zero link to his blogging career, simply stated for the sake of stating it. This entire page is clearly some leftie's fantasy. Y'all realize you look like disingenuous, dishonest cretins to everyone, right? Try separating your rabid personal opinions from Wikipedia sometime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.34.49 (talk) 19:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-06-28T19:28:00.000Z","author":"165.225.34.49","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-165.225.34.49-2017-06-28T19:28:00.000Z-Section_titled_\"Battery_conviction\"","replies":["c-DrFleischman-2017-06-28T19:47:00.000Z-165.225.34.49-2017-06-28T19:28:00.000Z","c-2601:401:503:62B0:D13:2E8D:1108:3A17-2017-07-11T19:19:00.000Z-165.225.34.49-2017-06-28T19:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
This revert removes a ton of sources and some text which has already been discussed endlessly. It's also the fourth revert in a short period of time, thus violating 3RR. Please self-revert and seek consensus.Volunteer Marek (talk) 07:55, 29 July 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-29T07:55:00.000Z","author":"Volunteer Marek","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Volunteer_Marek-2017-07-29T07:55:00.000Z-same_ol'_same_ol'","replies":[]}}-->
If continually brought up as "same ol' same ol'" then it would lend credence to, in fact, being closer to the true consensus- more so than what was formerly present. (Bryochemist (talk) 08:11, 29 July 2017 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-29T08:11:00.000Z","author":"Bryochemist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bryochemist-2017-07-29T08:11:00.000Z-same_ol'_same_ol'","replies":["c-DrFleischman-2017-07-30T04:34:00.000Z-Bryochemist-2017-07-29T08:11:00.000Z","c-Edaham-2017-07-29T23:38:00.000Z-Bryochemist-2017-07-29T08:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
Can you put int the Media and Views part how Cernovich believes that Hillary Clinton's 2016 Campaign was Funded by the Rothschild Family, according to one of his own Tweets on Twitter[1] and believes George W Bush, Saudi Arabia and the Israeli Mossad orchestrated the 9/11 terror attacks[2] And was born in Kewanee, Illinois according to this website[3] 95.73.31.209 (talk) 22:16, 31 August 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-08-31T22:16:00.000Z","author":"95.73.31.209","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-95.73.31.209-2017-08-31T22:16:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_31_August_2017","replies":[]}}-->
I have switched the infobox to Template:infobox writer since his occupation title was already listed and sourced as 'writer'. This is infobox also supports all previous tabs, and add important ones such as 'subject', and 'genre'. VivaSlava (talk) 08:05, 19 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-19T08:05:00.000Z","author":"VivaSlava","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-VivaSlava-2017-10-19T08:05:00.000Z-Writer_infobox","replies":[]}}-->
"In 2014, Cernovich promoted Gamergate, the harassment campaign that targeted several women in the video game industry, goading opponents with tweets such as "Who cares about breast cancer and rape? Not me."
should be:
"In 2014, Cernovich promoted Gamergate, goading opponents with tweets such as "Who cares about breast cancer and rape? Not me."
Gamergate was not just about women getting harrassed. That's a one-sided viewpoint. Gamergate was also about male gamers revealing the bad journalism going on within the gaming community, falsely making the gaming community seem like it hated women. 174.117.121.225 (talk) 15:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-25T15:45:00.000Z","author":"174.117.121.225","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-174.117.121.225-2017-10-25T15:45:00.000Z-Remove_Gamergate_description","replies":["c-Calton-2017-10-26T01:52:00.000Z-174.117.121.225-2017-10-25T15:45:00.000Z","c-DrFleischman-2017-10-27T07:09:00.000Z-174.117.121.225-2017-10-25T15:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
The second sentence on the main page for Mike Cernovich is improper use of the English language. "Mike Cernovich (born November 17, 1977) is an American alt-right[6] social media personality, writer, and conspiracy theorist. His website "Danger & Play" started in 2012 and was originally known mainly for its content on men's empowerment. During the 2016 US presidential election campaign, it evolved into a largely pro-Donald Trump and anti-Hillary Clinton political blog.[7][8]"
The correct form would be either "known mainly for its content on men's empowerment but during the 2016 US presidential election campaign, it evolved." OR "During the 2016 US presidential election campaign his website [enter name here] evolved into a largely pro-Donald Trump and anti-Hillary Clinton political blog.[7][8]" 2603:3023:B06:DF00:4D29:1778:328B:8F12 (talk) 01:52, 9 November 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-09T01:52:00.000Z","author":"2603:3023:B06:DF00:4D29:1778:328B:8F12","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2603:3023:B06:DF00:4D29:1778:328B:8F12-2017-11-09T01:52:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_November_2017","replies":[]}}-->
No. it's not "improper", since "His website 'Danger & Play'" of the first sentence is clearly the antecedent to the "it" of the second sentence. Simply swapping out "it" with "the website" would solve any ambiguity issues. --Calton | Talk 03:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-09T03:16:00.000Z","author":"Calton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Calton-2017-11-09T03:16:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_November_2017","replies":[]}}-->
Calton is correct (well, I didn't see any ambiguity to begin with). Drmies (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-09T03:19:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2017-11-09T03:19:00.000Z-Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_November_2017","replies":[]}}-->
Some sources for Cernovich as a rape apologist and date-rape denier:
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@Drmies: The New Yorker sources call it a gender studies book. The New York Times source doesn't call it a book on dating, it only uses the word date when mentioning Cernovichs blog post not book content. It also doesn't mention this claim about his book saying women should submit to dominant alpha males. Furthermore what does the thing in brackets have to do with the book? You can say that he holds this view, which is already mentioned in the "Media and views section", but that has nothing to do with book, and putting it next your claim about him saying that the book is about women submitting to dominant alpha males seems like WP:SYNTH to me as the article mentions it in relation to Cernovich not his book. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-09T13:39:00.000Z","author":"Emir of Wikipedia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T13:39:00.000Z-Gorilla_Mindset_description","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2017-11-09T13:51:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T13:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
His self-published 2015 book, “Gorilla Mindset,” is a manual for men who want to “unleash the animal” within them. The book is filed under Gender Studies in the Amazon Kindle store. Until recently, it was the top seller in that category, ahead of “We Should All Be Feminists,” by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.
@Nomoskedasticity: You can choose to remove the "factoid", but as I said in my edit summary one being incorrect doesn't mean another is correct. Please read the source (The New York Time not The New Yorker) that now supports the information and tell me if you agree that is supports the given information, keeping in mind mt comments above. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:03, 9 November 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","author":"Emir of Wikipedia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z-Gorilla_Mindset_description","replies":["c-Drmies-2017-11-09T15:17:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","c-Drmies-2017-11-09T15:27:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","c-DrFleischman-2017-11-09T17:07:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","c-Softlavender-2017-11-09T22:53:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","c-Softlavender-2017-11-09T23:27:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","c-Grayfell-2017-11-09T23:33:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","c-Softlavender-2017-11-09T23:51:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z","c-Calton-2017-11-10T02:43:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-09T15:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
in which he talked about how women should submit to "dominant alpha males" (he believes "date rape is a liberal fiction").
In a blog post
Should we use the redirect Texas Church Shooting, or should we bypass the redirect and link to Sutherland Springs church shooting? The source we are using refers to the incident as the Texas Church Shooting, but this was changed by the now blocked sock HastyBriar321. As noted on their talkpage at User_talk:HastyBriar321#Redirects, they have been going around and doing similar changes on other pages. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-11-13T17:56:00.000Z","author":"Emir of Wikipedia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-13T17:56:00.000Z-Texas_Church_Shooting","replies":["c-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-13T17:57:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-13T17:56:00.000Z","c-DrFleischman-2017-11-13T18:58:00.000Z-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2017-11-13T17:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
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