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I noticed that someone had mentioned a similar system in Germany; the same thing also happened in China (the traditional length unit, the Li, was redefined as 500m; a similar thing happened with the Jin, a traditional weight unit). But although this seemed like the right article to mention this, perhaps there should be a new article on this phenomenon in general, rather than this one which is very France-specific. I'm fairly sure that the Netherlands had/has this sort of system too (my Dutch friends have talked about 500g pounds and 500ml pints), and the Catty article says that that unit has been redefined to 600g in Thailand. So I suspect that this is a feature of many countries who have moved to the metric system from traditional units.

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{{Quote_box|quote=I laugh at decimal divisions. ^[1]

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^ Napoleon I: "Je ne suis pas davantage content de celle que vous me présentez pour les quatre départements du Rhin. Je la veux sur l’échelle de celle de Cassini, et je me moque des divisions décimales." (I am also not pleased with what you give me for the four départements of the Rhine. I want it on the scale of Cassini, and I laugh at decimal divisions.) ('Reproaches on the subject of maps made at the Dépôt de la Guerre'. Military correspondence of Napoleon I, 6th volume, letter 1250 dated December 19th, 1809)[1]

Could some one reduce the width of this box in the article and why does it behave differently here after I did "copy and paste"?????? Peter Horn User talk 21:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-02T21:08:00.000Z","author":"Peter Horn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter_Horn-2009-08-02T21:08:00.000Z-References","replies":["c-Cassowary-2009-08-03T13:24:00.000Z-Peter_Horn-2009-08-02T21:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

G'day, Peter Horn. I've given it a max width of 50% which I think is much nicer than the default (by adding "|width=50%" just before the closing double braces). The reason it behaves differently here is that you haven't quoted all of the quote box: It extends from the {{ to the }}, and includes more than one paragraph (here). I was confused by this when I saw it just now, too! hope this helps! —Felix the Cassowary 13:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-03T13:24:00.000Z","author":"Cassowary","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cassowary-2009-08-03T13:24:00.000Z-Peter_Horn-2009-08-02T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-216.252.95.227-2012-04-12T18:44:00.000Z-Cassowary-2009-08-03T13:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Felix the Cassowary"}}-->

"Je me moque" here is not translated as "I laugh" but is the french equivalent of "I don't give a damn" 216.252.95.227 (talk) 18:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-12T18:44:00.000Z","author":"216.252.95.227","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-216.252.95.227-2012-04-12T18:44:00.000Z-Cassowary-2009-08-03T13:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinvl-2012-04-12T18:56:00.000Z-216.252.95.227-2012-04-12T18:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, I have amended the text accodingly. Martinvl (talk) 18:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-12T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Martinvl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinvl-2012-04-12T18:56:00.000Z-216.252.95.227-2012-04-12T18:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Thailand has the 'metric rai' (Thai ไร่) if 1,600 square metres. m.e. (talk) 14:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-26T14:27:00.000Z","author":"M.e","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-M.e-2009-11-26T14:27:00.000Z-Other_units","replies":[],"displayName":"m.e."}}-->

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I made a sequence of edits to the article, correcting spelling mistakes, fixing an isbn formatting error, adding additional sourced material to the article, removing unsourced material and introducing the English term for mesures usuelles, "ordinary measures" as used in Alder's book. All of those edits were reverted with one blanket reversion under the summary " It's only French. No need to bowdlerize the article.", I re-applied my edits, which were again reverted, this time a different reverter citing BRD. Can I invite editors to review and compare my additions with what was there before and invite them to comment thereon, and decide if any of what I did is worthy of keeping. Thank you. Credibility gap (talk) 23:15, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-31T23:15:00.000Z","author":"Credibility gap","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Credibility_gap-2013-10-31T23:15:00.000Z-Comments_and_support,_or_otherwise,_invited","replies":["c-Awien-2013-11-01T02:34:00.000Z-Credibility_gap-2013-10-31T23:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm not in a position to evaluate the referencing, but I have a couple of suggestions.

As a retired French teacher, I feel qualified to say that I consider "customary measurements" the better translation of mesures usuelles; it avoids the ambiguity of "measures" meaning suitable action, legislative enactment. I also think translating it once by way of explanation is enough; for the rest of the article it's appropriate to retain the term used in the actual decree and that is the title of the article.

Provided the refs check out, it seems to me that the pre-CredibilityGap text and his edits largely complement each other. I would suggest merging them rather than trying to choose between them.

FWIW. Awien (talk) 02:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T02:34:00.000Z","author":"Awien","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Awien-2013-11-01T02:34:00.000Z-Credibility_gap-2013-10-31T23:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Garamond_Lethe-2013-11-01T13:52:00.000Z-Awien-2013-11-01T02:34:00.000Z","c-Credibility_gap-2013-11-01T14:58:00.000Z-Awien-2013-11-01T02:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello Awien. I have several reasons to believe Credibility gap is the latest in the series of DeFacto sock puppets. Removing the subject of the article from the text of the article is (and I'm taking care here to describe the edit, not the editor) the kind of boneheaded edit that got this editor banned. After this sock is blocked I think it would be worthwhile to look at the remaining edits and see if there's anything worth keeping. Current investigation, past investigations. Garamond Lethet c 13:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T13:52:00.000Z","author":"Garamond Lethe","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Garamond_Lethe-2013-11-01T13:52:00.000Z-Awien-2013-11-01T02:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm going to refrain from contributing further to this page until that Garamond Lethe allegation has been has been withdrawn or dismissed. Credibility gap (talk) 14:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T14:58:00.000Z","author":"Credibility gap","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Credibility_gap-2013-11-01T14:58:00.000Z-Awien-2013-11-01T02:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->