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Notes on my October 2017 update

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Birth: Ancestry.com have a Leonard Frederick Puddefoot born in October 1898 in Stepney. Given that I can't imagine any other Leonard Frederick Puddefoot's around in that place at that time, I've added it. I know Ancestry.com isn't supposed to be a reliable source but it fits in with what was here already. Note, however, that the birthplace is sourced from the 1911 Census (a copy of the doc is on the Falkirk Football Historian ref).

Falkirk: The only evidence I have seen regarding him playing for Falkirk is the newspaper clipping referenced (this is User:John meffen's site). Everything else I've read is vague mentions so I have reworded this completely. I'm just not convinced that he played for them competitively, but I have added a cite to The Scotsman to show that there are reports that he did (they actually say he played two games for them). Unless I see a squad-list with him in it, I think I will remain unconvinced. Does anyone know if such records exist for Falkirk for that time? Per the reworded section, I've removed Falkirk from the infobox and also removed him from Category:Falkirk F.C. players (and also Category:Scottish Football League players). I've posted a note on the Falkirk F.C. talk page to this effect.

Örgryte IS: The addition to this is simply me comparing dates on the club article and associated ref (which is why I've avoided using a phrase such as "He won..."). It would be great to add something that mentions him in association with the league win.

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Thanks - I've also left a message at WT:FOOTY. Giant Snowman 09:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-07T09:03:00.000Z","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-2017-10-07T09:03:00.000Z-Nzd-2017-10-07T00:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cattivi-2017-10-07T13:18:00.000Z-GiantSnowman-2017-10-07T09:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Giant"}}-->

The Hibs - Falkirk match was a league game, not a pre-season friendly. [1] Leonard F. Puddefoot is in Scottish League players' division one 1890/91 to 1938/39 by Steve Emms and Richard Wells page 190: Falkirk 1922-23 1. When you search ancestry for DOB's you'll find dates of registration of births. Not by month but by quarter. October 1898 means Q4 1998. Because registration of birth isn't the same thing as birth it's not impossible that he was born on September the 30th. As you can see on the census, he was ca. 4 years younger than his brother. Born in 1898 won't be far off. Cattivi (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-07T13:18:00.000Z","author":"Cattivi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cattivi-2017-10-07T13:18:00.000Z-GiantSnowman-2017-10-07T09:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nzd-2017-10-07T13:43:00.000Z-Cattivi-2017-10-07T13:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aha! Brilliant. Thanks very much. I shall amend accordingly. Nzd (talk) 13:43, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-07T13:43:00.000Z","author":"Nzd","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Nzd-2017-10-07T13:43:00.000Z-Cattivi-2017-10-07T13:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nzd-2017-10-07T14:19:00.000Z-Nzd-2017-10-07T13:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Done now. I've also added playing position from the new ref, and the bit about it being a trial from the existing Scotsman ref.Nzd (talk) 14:19, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-07T14:19:00.000Z","author":"Nzd","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nzd-2017-10-07T14:19:00.000Z-Nzd-2017-10-07T13:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->