There is an obvious connection between the dollar sign and the cifrão sign. There must be some kind of historical connection between the two that is disregarded in this article. Has anyone ever heard of this? It could be interesting to make some further research on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.219.88 (talk) 23:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-29T23:54:00.000Z","author":"89.180.219.88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-89.180.219.88-2008-12-29T23:54:00.000Z-Portuguese_cifr\u00e3o_connection","replies":[]}}-->
I changed around the table. Really, only the code of it. I couldn't get the padding thing to work correctly. Could someone correct it? I hope whoever it may concern enjoys the reworking. It's easier to deal with now. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 07:58, 28 August 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-28T07:58:00.000Z","author":"D. F. Schmidt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-D._F._Schmidt-2005-08-28T07:58:00.000Z-the_table","replies":[]}}-->
Who the hell comes up with this crap? The word "yuan" (元) predates any Spanish influence by several hundred years. Like, say, the Yuan Dynasty? Hell, the use of coins in China is BC-era by itself. You expect me to believe the Chinese waited a couple of thousand years to name them?
Yuan/元 is a measure word for small round things among a host of other meanings. Coins, being small round things, invariably got enumerated with yuan/元. Further, claiming that this is the colloquialism is utter nonsense. The colloquialism for money's measure word (the primary unit, not the "dime" or "penny" equivalents) is kuai/块. So the article has managed to get everything--absolutely everything--wrong on this point.
Needless to say it's getting deleted. --MTR (严加华) 05:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-12T05:20:00.000Z","author":"Michael T. Richter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Michael_T._Richter-2005-08-12T05:20:00.000Z-Yuan\/\u5143","replies":[],"displayName":"MTR (\u4e25\u52a0\u534e)"}}-->
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From yen:
In the article:
--Error 23:56, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Have added "cheese" and "cheddar" to the list of slang words for dollar. "Cheese" is used in Jay-Z's "Big Pimpin," "Cheddar" can be found at http://www.thesource4ym.com/teenlingo/
Jay-Z does not say "spending cheese." http://www.amiright.com/misheard/song/bigpimpin.shtml Additionaly, most internet lyric data bases (searched through Google) show "spendin' G's" -GLewis, March 31
I completely agree with the merging of that section into this page. I'ts like having two articles for the same thing. 63.231.145.101 21:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-02-27T21:35:00.000Z","author":"63.231.145.101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-63.231.145.101-2006-02-27T21:35:00.000Z-merge","replies":["c-Macrowiz-2006-03-16T20:22:00.000Z-63.231.145.101-2006-02-27T21:35:00.000Z","c-SausMeester-2006-03-26T22:57:00.000Z-63.231.145.101-2006-02-27T21:35:00.000Z","c-Jesster79-2006-04-02T20:52:00.000Z-63.231.145.101-2006-02-27T21:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yep. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.48.43 (talk) 01:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC).__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-02T01:13:00.000Z","author":"75.73.48.43","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-75.73.48.43-2007-01-02T01:13:00.000Z-I_think_someone_should_mention_those_burlap_sacks_with_dollar_signs_on_them","replies":[]}}-->
This article mentions reasons for why the dollar sign might have two vertical lines without even mentioning anywhere in the article that it is even sometimes written with two vertical lines. Never mind, it's already mentioned. --Brandon Dilbeck 00:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-01-05T00:46:00.000Z","author":"Brandon Dilbeck","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brandon_Dilbeck-2007-01-05T00:46:00.000Z-Two_vertical_lines","replies":[]}}-->
In most Spanish-speaking countries, the symbol is known as signo pesos o signo peso (Peso sign), and not as signo dólar (Dollar sign). Considering also that the sign is in fact the Peso sign and was copied for the US Dollar, I don't think that the article should treat countries like Argentina, Cuba, México or Uruguay as countries that use the Dollar sign.
Someone went back and changed the History section so that it misrepresents the source-- the BEP page cited specifically refers to the PesoS theory, but the text currently says the page advocates the US theory. I changed this once, and I'm not going to get into an edit war, but this is just wrong. The From 'US' section also gained an unjustified "This is the most likely theory" comment, which should probably also be removed. 72.18.225.169 01:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-06T01:41:00.000Z","author":"72.18.225.169","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-72.18.225.169-2007-04-06T01:41:00.000Z-History_again","replies":[]}}-->
Does anyone know if the U.S. Presidential $1 coin in 2007 is the first ever use of the dollar sign on United States money, coins or paper? This question is also on the Presidential $1 coin page, so if you know, please resolve this question there also. 209.26.38.244 14:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-03-15T14:40:00.000Z","author":"209.26.38.244","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-209.26.38.244-2007-03-15T14:40:00.000Z-First_use_of_\"$\"_sign_on_U.S._money?","replies":["c-209.26.38.244-2007-03-16T14:29:00.000Z-209.26.38.244-2007-03-15T14:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
"Although the dollar sign does not appear on any current circulating U.S. coins and is rarely encountered on U.S. coins, the American Eagle platinum coins do feature the dollar sign." -- Coin World, April 20, 2004; by Michele Orzano, Coin World staff.
Page 18: "The term "dollar" has a German name and Spanish symbol, but few U.S. coins have ever carried the famous symbol (the exceptions are the American Eagle platinum bullion coins), until now. The $ sign's placement on the reverse of the Presidential dollar coins is the first on a circulating U.S. coin (or at least the first on a U.S. coin intended to circulate)."
I have worked my way down the article and tried to reference it as much as I could. I added the tag unreferencedsection for the alternative theories section, some of which deserve more historic credit than other. Ideally it would benefit from a complete overhaul and removal of unverifiable entries. Regards, --Asteriontalk 21:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-15T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Asterion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asterion-2007-08-15T21:30:00.000Z-References","replies":[]}}-->
I think it would be a good idea to have a section about the symbol beyond just a simple representation of currency. The dollar symbol specifically is strongly associated with capitalism as a philosophy even for countries that have different currency. This can be either a positive or negative association. One example that comes to mind are the dollar brand cigarettes in Atlas Shrugged. I think that book is the source of the U+S=$ theory, which might be good to cite possibly as a way to discount the theory. However, it does show that for a good number of people the symbol has expanded beyond a convenient shorthand for currency. The article should at least touch on this fact. 64.132.80.134 (talk) 20:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-05T20:51:00.000Z","author":"64.132.80.134","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-64.132.80.134-2008-11-05T20:51:00.000Z-sybolic_value_of_$","replies":[]}}-->
Shouldn't there be something in the article about proper syntactical usage of the dollar sign? (eg. before the numerical dollar value, etc.)
This is in the article at the end of the section "Currencies that use the dollar or peso sign". Americans and Canadians always put the dollar sign before the number. There are other currencies that use the same symbol and I don't know about those currencies, but if you are talking about American or Canadian dollars, then any American or Canadian would tell you that it is correct to put the dollar sign before the number, and incorrect to put it after. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.254.176.10 (talk) 08:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-11T08:23:00.000Z","author":"94.254.176.10","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-94.254.176.10-2009-03-11T08:23:00.000Z-Proper_syntactical_usage_of_the_sign?","replies":[]}}-->
Is there any relationship between the town of Dollar, Scotland and the currency?
The town of Dollar nestles at the foot of the Ochil Hills is central Scotland and is famous for its school "Dollar Academy" which was inagruated in 1818AD by a wealthy merchant (John McNabb).
The town is also known for 15th century Castle Campbell that sits at the top of the Dollar glen between two 'burns': the burn of care and the burn of sorrow which are known for waterfalls and huge slab like rock vennels. The castle was known as the "castle of gloom" before an act of parliment in 1489, approved by James IV.
Can we get a picture of the Potosi mint mark? Drutt (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-07T13:52:00.000Z","author":"Drutt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drutt-2009-11-07T13:52:00.000Z-Potosi_mint_mark","replies":["c-TriniMu\u00f1oz-2009-12-01T19:36:00.000Z-Drutt-2009-11-07T13:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
Why did they revert it back to "Dollar sign" only? the symbol is used for both currencies, the Dollar and the Peso, it was perfectly logical and neutral for this article to be named "Dollar/Peso sign", does anyone have a reason for removing (and ignoring) the word Peso form the title? Supaman89 (talk)
Edited out opening line, but will make a note here in case someone reverts the edit: The dollar sign was never "originally" the peso sign - it was originally the real de ocho sign. The slang for that coin was peso in Spanish and... dollar in English. It's always been the dollar sign in English, so the lede should explain it's used in both contexts without claiming one or the other has priority. — LlywelynII 20:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-02-24T20:38:00.000Z","author":"LlywelynII","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LlywelynII-2011-02-24T20:38:00.000Z-Dollar_sign_NEVER_\"originally\"_the_peso_sign","replies":[]}}-->
At least in Brazil (where we use the two lines version of the sign), it is widely known/accepted that the origin of the symbol is from Tariq ibn Ziyad, and his conquest of Iberian Peninsula. He then ordered his servants to write a map on the coins, showing his path: curved like an S and through the Pillars of Hercules (that being the reason for two lines, not one). Here are some references (they were hard to find, since it's so widely known!):
http://noticias.terra.com.br/educacao/vocesabia/interna/0,,OI3326592-EI8402,00.html (in portuguese) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.123.163.166 (talk) 01:39, 21 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-21T01:39:00.000Z","author":"189.123.163.166","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-189.123.163.166-2010-01-21T01:39:00.000Z-origin_-_Tariq_ibn_Ziyad","replies":[]}}-->
P.S.: Forgot to say, even being being wide known, most people would know it as something like: "some thing about a map, with a curvy path and then somehing to do with Pillars of Hercules being the two lines" (few people would actually know on the fly the name of the guy or more details (I just googled for "cifrão colunas de hércules origem" to find the reference where I found the man's name)). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.123.163.166 (talk) 01:45, 21 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-21T01:45:00.000Z","author":"189.123.163.166","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-189.123.163.166-2010-01-21T01:45:00.000Z-origin_-_Tariq_ibn_Ziyad","replies":["c-LlywelynII-2011-02-24T20:39:00.000Z-189.123.163.166-2010-01-21T01:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
I think the Cifrão article could and should be adapted into the Dollar sign article. The only thing that separates the cifrão from the dollar sign is that the cifrão always had a double stroke. Which the dollar sign has in many of its variations. Furthermore, the cifrão article isn't very long and can easily be a paragraph in the dollar sign one.
The difference is confusing and only vaguely elaborated upon. Thoughts? SergioGeorgini 11:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-18T11:25:00.000Z","author":"SergioGeorgini","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SergioGeorgini-2007-08-18T11:25:00.000Z-Merger_with_Cifr\u00e3o?","replies":["c-Asterion-2007-08-23T17:20:00.000Z-SergioGeorgini-2007-08-18T11:25:00.000Z","c-Rursus-2008-02-21T09:08:00.000Z-SergioGeorgini-2007-08-18T11:25:00.000Z","c-67.99.103.78-2008-04-22T11:32:00.000Z-SergioGeorgini-2007-08-18T11:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
This is precisely what's wrong with Wikipedia. It clearly is the same symbol, with a shared history. They don't coincidentally look exactly the same, they are exactly the same with only a different word used. The dollar symbol in the US is exactly the same with the same history. Yet Llywelyn spams every opinion with "no it's not" without any reasoning, and that makes the issue settled?Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 11:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-08T11:33:00.000Z","author":"Promontoriumispromontorium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Promontoriumispromontorium-2011-08-08T11:33:00.000Z-Merger_with_Cifr\u00e3o?","replies":[]}}-->
Is there any point in the theory that the dollar sign was formulated from a U and an S? It's little more than theory which is completely false. Moustan 86.10.97.187 (talk) 19:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-07-22T19:02:00.000Z","author":"86.10.97.187","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-86.10.97.187-2008-07-22T19:02:00.000Z-US","replies":[]}}-->
Agree: should be erased or moved from the "origin theories" part.Tuqui (talk) 05:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-18T05:32:00.000Z","author":"Tuqui","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tuqui-2008-12-18T05:32:00.000Z-US","replies":[]}}-->
You're argument that it should be removed from origin theories is because it's an origin theory? Does that make any sense to you? Stating "which is completely false" is just an opinion. Hence why there are multiple origin theories listed in the first place. Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 11:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-08T11:35:00.000Z","author":"Promontoriumispromontorium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Promontoriumispromontorium-2011-08-08T11:35:00.000Z-US","replies":[]}}-->
The dollar sign is most likely an abbreviation of "PesoS", not "PeSo", as the article indicates. In Spanish, words are commonly abbreviated by using the first and the last letter(s). There is a definite study on the subject by Alvaro Moreno: El signo de pesos, cuál es su origen y qué representa?, published in Mexico City in 1965, which shows many sources for some forms of the dollar sign being used to denote the Mexican peso in the British colonies in North America. One or two strokes are used indiscriminantly. -Ralf
Back in August 2007, Asterion (since retired) introduced the reference to Arthur Nussbaum's A History of the Dollar to support the Pillars of Hercules theory, but offered no page citation. I have now looked at that book and found that Nussbaum actually believed the "Ps." theory, which as my past edits should show, is much, much better documented. On August 18, 2010, an editor using the IP address 203.87.178.24, reverted my previous edits alleging that the Pillars theory is the "most widely accepted" theory, but offered no new evidence. Most on-line sources that propose this theory as the more plausible one simply reflect the text offered here in the Wikipedia article since its beginning and are, therefore, not much more than echo of this article. I have left the latest text on this theory here under "alternative theories." Best, TriniMuñoz (talk) 06:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-09-03T06:38:00.000Z","author":"TriniMu\u00f1oz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TriniMu\u00f1oz-2011-09-03T06:38:00.000Z-August_2011_edit","replies":[]}}-->
The abbreviation for "sestertius" was never HS. It was IIS. A sestertius consisted of 2,5 asses, two full and one half ass. "Half" is "semi" in Latin. Thus "sestertius" : "the half-third one" or "the third one is half" or abbreviated: IIS.2.201.2.60 (talk) 23:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-14T23:04:00.000Z","author":"2.201.2.60","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2.201.2.60-2012-11-14T23:04:00.000Z-Sestertius","replies":[]}}-->
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5554/zzab7ny.jpg -- I don't know much about this, but when I've seen it recently I thought - Hmm, that looks like the dollar sign... (That's a photo of US House of Representatives chamber, United States Capitol.)
This was not original research, but is an entry in a dictionary of occult symbols. The connection is that cinnabar is used in some spells having to do with money, particularly in Feng Shui. -- Frotz(talk) 05:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-06T05:20:00.000Z","author":"Frotz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Frotz-2013-12-06T05:20:00.000Z-Relevance_of_the_cinnabar_symbol","replies":["c-Tuckerresearch-2013-12-07T02:48:00.000Z-Frotz-2013-12-06T05:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hey guys, I'm concerned about reference 17 which is used throughout the article. The ref is an almost exact copy of a Wikipedia article, and while all the facts look right, as per WP:CIRCULAR it's bad practice to cite content that is originally from Wikipedia. Guys, we don't want citogenisis. I can start, but a bunch of this article is sourced from this ref, and I don't have time to find all the sources. It's not high priority (it's not like we don't have any citations) but we definitely need better sources down the line.
GeekX (talk) 19:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-04-23T19:55:00.000Z","author":"GeekX","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GeekX-2015-04-23T19:55:00.000Z-Reference_17","replies":["c-Thnidu-2015-09-29T04:35:00.000Z-GeekX-2015-04-23T19:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
lock it cause it good Wikipedia13editor (talk) 22:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-16T22:22:00.000Z","author":"Wikipedia13editor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikipedia13editor-2015-10-16T22:22:00.000Z-good_page_$","replies":[]}}-->
This page was a redirect to Talk:Dollar, and there didn't seem to be a reason. So, I removed the redirect, and duplicated the text. I hope that was the right thing to do. Ingrid 03:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-05T03:20:00.000Z","author":"Mom2jandk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mom2jandk-2006-03-05T03:20:00.000Z-redirect","replies":[],"displayName":"Ingrid"}}-->
A Strange Article.. For the first time I find this article,about one of the most famous symbols in the world very strange.After all 1796 is not really so very far away and the American Colonies were centres of huge trades involving cotton and tobacco... Surely it would not take a serious investigator little effort to find the real origins of this symbol...yet there is no real certainty presented only one idea ..which itself goes against Wiki rules.. In fact it suggests that someone somewhere actually wants to obscurethe real origins of the sign for perhaps ..emotional reasons..? Anyway here are some ideas The real question is..What was the basic official currency of the British American Colonies..I dont mean unoficial..there were many unofficial currencies circulating indeed buying things might be quite complicated ..I want to buy your two chickens but only have Spanish coins and you only have dutch Guilders etc But whatever money people used in real life what was the OFFICIAL money used of buying land etc? And the answer I suggest would be the British pound and British shilling. Whatever symbol was used by America its interesting that it follows naturally the British by putting the symbol in front of the amount and NOT BEHIND the amount.Secondly ,I suggest that most transactions were in SHILLINGS. now the normal way of writing the British Shilling sign was to write what was called a LONG S that looked like the letter F and put a line through it in other words writing something that looked very similar to a Dollar sign (certainy far more similar than the absurd peso/Dollar mixture. I would therefore suggest as articles have previously strongly suggested that as all British trading practices were taken over and maintained by the new American Republic that the dollar sign really is merely a continuation of the British shilling sign with the name shilling changed to Dollar .As someone has mentioned here the word Dollar was not unknown to the British and the term dollar for five shillings and half a dollar for two shillings and sixpence where quite common in my youth and had been around for several centuries There is nothing unusual therefore in the American nation switching from British shillings to American Dollars and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dollar_sign&action=edit§ion=5#keeping essentially the same sign / — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.197.78 (talk) 14:59, 10 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-10T14:59:00.000Z","author":"176.63.197.78","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-176.63.197.78-2017-04-10T14:59:00.000Z-redirect","replies":[]}}-->
No one seems to have mentioned anywhere the fact that the double-stroked $ appeared in a stylized fashion on the front of the old-style $10.00 bill. The numerals were arrayed atop of "S" scrollwork to make the double-stroked $.
I think that's quite a stretch...if anything, the thick double verticals of the zeroes make it look more like a *triple* stroked $. I think it's really just scrollwork, unless you have any sources attesting to the contrary. Djublonskopf (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-06-04T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Djublonskopf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Djublonskopf-2018-06-04T16:24:00.000Z-Other_appearances_of_the_symbol","replies":[]}}-->
Whatsup with one and two strokes thru S? So the $ symbol in for non-US dollar and double stroked S is for US dollar? Can someone explain? -pedro
As far as the dollar sign goes, it is merely a stylistic choice or popular fashion that decides what symbol one may write. With computers, most but not all fonts will produce a single-stroked sign. I did find a few fonts that do give a double-stroked symbol for the same key (Shift+4). 207.189.230.42 (talk) 04:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-05-28T04:51:00.000Z","author":"207.189.230.42","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-207.189.230.42-2008-05-28T04:51:00.000Z-Number_of_strokes","replies":[]}}-->
There are better explanations based in medieval Iberian manuscripts about the origin of the dollar sign. I will look into this and get back here. But everything here is folk-etymology. Evertype 18:05, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)
There are images about from a source that i think may be entitled 'Key of Solomon the King (Clavicula Salomonis)', that features a symbol very similar to the dollar sign($), this book is from the middle ages, this could be a link it http://www.luckymojo.com/kingsolomonwisdom.html, i either saw this symbol here or some other book, but i rememebr it being called different. Not mentioned in article but should be if confirmed.Book M 10:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-12-14T10:18:00.000Z","author":"Book M","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Book_M-2006-12-14T10:18:00.000Z-Number_of_strokes","replies":[]}}-->
Jpmo22 19:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC) Pedro, the Dollar Sign ($) and Cifrão ( S ‖ ‖ --> ) {\displaystyle (\mathrm {S} \!\!\!\Vert )} are differents simbols, US Dollar uses Dollar Sign and Brazilian currency use Cifrão. Please don't get confused about that, many people think they are the same but they are not.__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-27T19:19:00.000Z","author":"Jpmo22","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jpmo22-2007-08-27T19:19:00.000Z-Number_of_strokes","replies":["c-71.243.28.62-2008-06-13T22:12:00.000Z-Jpmo22-2007-08-27T19:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
the article seemed to contain a fair amount of original research, and it didn't distinguish accepted origin theories from kookery. The image even combined the most likely origin (PS) with a clear "urban legend" aitiology (US). dab (ᛏ) 09:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-04-25T09:38:00.000Z","author":"Dbachmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dbachmann-2006-04-25T09:38:00.000Z-cleanup","replies":["c-Jorge_Stolfi-2021-08-13T00:34:00.000Z-Dbachmann-2006-04-25T09:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"dab"}}-->
The theory that has always attracted me is that the symbol is merely a cancelled "S" for "solidus", just as the pound is a cancelled "L" for "libra", the penny is a cancelled "c" for "centum", etc. Cancellation of the initial letter as a means of abbreviation has been around since the days of the scriptoria. If anyone could find a cancelled S predating the Pillars of Hercules, we could at least put that bit of folk-etymology to rest. 201.160.132.141 17:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)(Robert Biddle, unregistered user)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-06-04T17:50:00.000Z","author":"201.160.132.141","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-201.160.132.141-2007-06-04T17:50:00.000Z-origin_of_the_symbol","replies":["c-Jorge_Stolfi-2021-08-13T01:05:00.000Z-201.160.132.141-2007-06-04T17:50:00.000Z"]}}-->
Has anybody any information on why the sign precedes the number? It doesn't make really sense from a syntactical point of view. When seen as a dimensional symbol it should be right behind the number (like "twenty volts" is 20V), however for some reason it precedes it. Polemon (talk) 19:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-14T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Polemon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Polemon-2009-09-14T19:14:00.000Z-Why_does_the_$_precede_the_number","replies":["c-80.99.38.208-2012-07-13T22:02:00.000Z-Polemon-2009-09-14T19:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
In § Operating systems, the indented part under bullet point "In Unix-like systems..." begins
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supposed to mean? It's certainly not English. --Thnidu (talk) 04:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-09-29T04:39:00.000Z","author":"Thnidu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thnidu-2015-09-29T04:39:00.000Z-Gibberish","replies":["c-Thnidu-2015-09-29T04:45:00.000Z-Thnidu-2015-09-29T04:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
The dollar sign originates from the use of the representation of the Pillars of Hercules on the Spanish pieces of eight. This pre-dates any other usage by at least 40 or 50 years, and perhaps by 300 years. Before editing this article again please take a look at the images used to confirm this hypothesis. Any other explanation is just urban myth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.41.212 (talk) 21:40, 26 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-26T21:40:00.000Z","author":"193.61.41.212","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-193.61.41.212-2017-04-26T21:40:00.000Z-Pillars_of_Hercules","replies":[]}}-->
The theory of overlaying 'P' and 'S' directly mentions the pieces of eight as the major currency of the New World – isn't it much more pausible and straightforward to use the symbol actually on the coins, rather than dream up some other explanation that is largely unsupported (and unsupportable). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.41.212 (talk) 21:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-04-26T21:48:00.000Z","author":"193.61.41.212","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-193.61.41.212-2017-04-26T21:48:00.000Z-Pillars_of_Hercules","replies":["c-Ehrbar-2019-03-15T00:44:00.000Z-193.61.41.212-2017-04-26T21:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
The section giving the origin as the Pillars of Hercules motif is uncited and has been uncited for a long time. I believe it to be an urban myth. There is an unexplained leap of faith from the pillars motif (that definitely did appear on Spanish coins) to the US symbol (that did not appear on US coins). Is there any convincing reason why it should be kept? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-07-15T14:09:00.000Z","author":"John Maynard Friedman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John_Maynard_Friedman-2020-07-15T14:09:00.000Z-Time_to_delete_the_Pillars_of_Hercules_'origin'?","replies":["c-John_Maynard_Friedman-2020-08-16T16:35:00.000Z-John_Maynard_Friedman-2020-07-15T14:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
Browsing the David Rumsey Historical Map Collection I came across this old French map[1] puplished in 1625 that features the sign drawn on a lot of mountains, mostly the ones around cities/towns. I looked at some of the authors other region scale maps but didn't see it on any others, though I could have just missed it cus I only looked at like 10. What's up with this? Way to much 'noise' comes up when searching Google like sites to buy historical maps, gis related stuff, ect. Maybe the maps text says what it is but I cant find a translation and there's no symbol key. Technocolor (talk) 09:22, 20 January 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-01-20T09:22:00.000Z","author":"Technocolor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Technocolor-2019-01-20T09:22:00.000Z-Appearance_on_an_old_French_map?","replies":[]}}-->
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Has it escaped everyone's notice all these years that the dollar sign "$" is just a fancy "D" (with a simple flourish on top or with the cent sign (¢) on top) with a vertical line through?
Americans so opposed the British way of doing things that they drove their carriages from the left-hand side and on the right-handside of the road and also ran their horse races on a counter-clockwise track instead of the British clockwise track.
I don't see it so far-fetched that Americans would prefer a line running through their monetary symbol vertically instead of horizontally, as the British do, and to top the standard unit (D) with the least significant unit (c) to remind people that the least in our land comes first (that is, not the federal goverment).
This instead of the visual gymnastics one must achieve to see the Pillars of Hercules or the Mexican peso. (DFurlani (talk) 12:35, 4 April 2019 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-04T12:35:00.000Z","author":"DFurlani","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DFurlani-2019-04-04T12:35:00.000Z-Perhaps_a_fancy_\"D\"","replies":["c-Jorge_Stolfi-2021-08-13T02:16:00.000Z-DFurlani-2019-04-04T12:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the replacement of the cifrao image with a double overstruck S will have to be reverted, per MOS:ACCESS. The .SVG has (or at least should have) an alt= tag that tells screen-readers what it is. The mathematical markup is most likely impenetrable to them (unless anyone knows otherwise). Comments? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T20:54:00.000Z","author":"John Maynard Friedman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John_Maynard_Friedman-2021-08-12T20:54:00.000Z-Proposed_reversion_of_bold_edit_that_changed_cifrao.svg_to_mathematical_markup","replies":["c-Jorge_Stolfi-2021-08-13T02:07:00.000Z-John_Maynard_Friedman-2021-08-12T20:54:00.000Z","c-Jorge_Stolfi-2021-08-13T02:23:00.000Z-John_Maynard_Friedman-2021-08-12T20:54:00.000Z"]}}-->
Added 'citation needed' (sorry I wasn't logged in, it's been a while) and though I don't have time to dig it up myself, this Canada government site hints that this usage is correct, but it's in the context of using the CA currency symbol, not talking about general use of $. Hope someone can find something better. Good luck!
"...In a French document, when you need to specify the type of dollar (Canadian, American, Australian, etc.), the Translation Bureau recommends using the symbol $ CA to represent the Canadian dollar...The dollar sign is placed to the right of the dollar figure. Use a non-breaking space after the dollar figure, and between the dollar sign and the country code: 25,99 $ CA ..."
https://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/en/writing-tips-plus/canadian-dollar-symbol
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