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The level of Belgian nationalism amongst Flemish people is the lowest it has ever been. As much independence from Belgium and the Walloon region can be considered a common philosophy over the entire line of the Flemish government, from left over center to right-wing.

Two major separatist parties received about 35% of the votes (yes, two parties having the main goal of separating Belgium), and after the B-H-V fiasco where the Walloons neglected to rectify one of the basic principles of the Belgian state, it is highly doubtful that people will become more nationalist. In fact, even center and left-wing parties want to see proverbial Walloon blood in regard to B-H-V.

The modifications of 81.244.145.136 (anonymous coward), which was described as "tendentious article, this is far more concurrent with the facts. Unnecessary degrading adverbs removed", are counter-indicative of reality, even more so now than the original version of the article. This change made the article say practically the opposite of what was said in the original version.

There is no measurable level of Belgian nationalism in the Flemish majority. Anybody who follows national politics a bit would know that.

Even though I am Flemish (and separatist), I consider my message here a best-effort attempt to give an objective and generalised view for the Flemish population.

Admittingly, this is a highly sensitive article.

This is completely incorrect. Opinion polls show that 1 on 4 Belgians wants more power for the central state and even a unitary country as it was before. The problem is that this important national minority has no acces to the media. That explains why the B.U.B. has sued the Belgian public televisions (Dutch and French speaking) before court. A decision is expected in late spring 2006.

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Update

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"The effect of state reforms discussions to take place in 2005 is not predictable."

Can anybody update this? J-C V 13:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-13T13:13:00.000Z","author":"J-C V","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J-C_V-2006-03-13T13:13:00.000Z-Update","replies":[]}}-->

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Advocates?

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"Parti socialiste" (french speaking) is not at all a party advocating for a big federal government. It is the opposite : they want more powers to the so-called Walloon Region (there is no such thing as walloon identity), where they have the majority. They do not like federal government because they are in minority (French speaking people are less than 40% in Belgium). If they want a big government for the federal level, it is because they want big government everywhere : they are socialists. David Descamps 12:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-02-20T12:34:00.000Z","author":"David Descamps","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_Descamps-2007-02-20T12:34:00.000Z-Advocates?","replies":[]}}-->

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Does Belgian Nationalism really exist?

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Belgians were always a splited folk, from the foundation of the Belgian state until WW I Belgium was dominated by Walloons, now the Dutch speaking part of Belgium is economically stronger and many Flandrians who vote for the separatist party Vlaams Belang, whose members call themself Flandrian Nationalists, which suggests the existence of a Flandrian Nation.--95.114.71.13 (talk) 15:21, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-08-23T15:21:00.000Z","author":"95.114.71.13","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-95.114.71.13-2015-08-23T15:21:00.000Z-Does_Belgian_Nationalism_really_exist?","replies":["c-Lebob-2015-08-24T11:29:00.000Z-95.114.71.13-2015-08-23T15:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

In fact Belgium has never been dominated by the Wallons but by French speaking people who belonged to the nobility and to the upper-class. These people were used to speak French irrespective of their location. They were Flemish, Walloon or inhabitants of Brussels. This explains why French has been the main language in the administration in Belgium for almost a century. Flemish acknowledgment as national language is in fact linked to the extension of voting right to more (and less wealthy) people followed by the introduction of the universal suffrage after WWI. The "Belgian state dominated by the Walloons" is a Flemish myth with no real historical background. --Lebob (talk) 11:29, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-08-24T11:29:00.000Z","author":"Lebob","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Lebob-2015-08-24T11:29:00.000Z-95.114.71.13-2015-08-23T15:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-95.114.63.211-2015-09-18T08:12:00.000Z-Lebob-2015-08-24T11:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

No there was a Walloonian Dominance in Belgium it isnt myth.--95.114.63.211 (talk) 08:12, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-09-18T08:12:00.000Z","author":"95.114.63.211","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-95.114.63.211-2015-09-18T08:12:00.000Z-Lebob-2015-08-24T11:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dapperedavid-2016-09-30T00:38:00.000Z-95.114.63.211-2015-09-18T08:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Having family in Belgium I can tell you Belgian nationalism exists, most of it is from the French speaking part, but there are also Flemish people who wish to stay in Belgium, otherwise Flanders would be independent. My Flemish grandpa, being part of the navy, was always nationalistic about Belgium (especially its food), whereas my grandma was more in favor of Flemish independence. I think the nationalist sentiment of Belgium is indeed small compared to other countries, but often underestimated (also there is foot ball). --Dapperedavid (talk) 00:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-30T00:38:00.000Z","author":"Dapperedavid","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Dapperedavid-2016-09-30T00:38:00.000Z-95.114.63.211-2015-09-18T08:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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"Overwelmingly Strongly"

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First of all this seems a bit doubly. Second I'm not too sure if this is the right representation of the Flemish sentiment. I think simply saying "majority" would suffice, as how it is now suggests that there are barely any Flemish who favor Belgian nationalism, which isn't entirely fair to say. --Dapperedavid (talk) 00:29, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-09-30T00:29:00.000Z","author":"Dapperedavid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dapperedavid-2016-09-30T00:29:00.000Z-\"Overwelmingly_Strongly\"","replies":[]}}-->