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What does this mean, if anything?

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There are two unsourced statements in the "Carolingian figure and legacy" section that appear so vague as to have little value. First: "Alcuin's friendships also extended to the ladies of the court, especially the queen mother and the king's daughters, though his relationships with these women never reached the intense level of those of the men around him." The fact that this appears under "Use of eroticised language" rather than the discussion of "Charlemagne" and his court, appears to imply that he preferred men. However, it could also be an exercise of prudence. Any man showing an "intense level" of friendship to any king's female relatives could well find himself a Cephalophore. Italian and Iberian history is full of regal sensitivity in this area. I doubt the Franks were more indulgent.

Second: "Furthermore, while at Aachen, Alcuin bestowed pet names upon his pupils – derived mainly from Virgil's Eclogues." "Furthermore" hints that this must be significant, but n.b. George W. Bush was famous for giving his associates nicknames, --- which a number of them apparently didn't particularly care for. Mannanan51 (talk) 05:24, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-02T05:24:00.000Z","author":"Mannanan51","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mannanan51-2014-08-02T05:24:00.000Z-What_does_this_mean,_if_anything?","replies":["c-Contaldo80-2014-08-06T08:22:00.000Z-Mannanan51-2014-08-02T05:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Both bits come from "Who's who in gay and lesbian history" by Aldrich and Wotherspoon. Yes, the implication is that sexually and emotionally he preferred men. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-06T08:22:00.000Z","author":"Contaldo80","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Contaldo80-2014-08-06T08:22:00.000Z-Mannanan51-2014-08-02T05:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I can find no reference to Alcuin's being canonized. Some martyrologies (which are not official in the Catholic Church) name him a "beatus", a blessed. However, there has been no official confirmation of his cultus.Caeruleancentaur (talk) 15:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-03-26T15:36:00.000Z","author":"Caeruleancentaur","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Caeruleancentaur-2015-03-26T15:36:00.000Z-Canonized?","replies":[]}}-->

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We now have in the article, in the oddly named "homo-erotic language" section, seven paragraphs dedicated to the topic of anal sex. This article, which is ostensibly about a medieval cleric and prominent figure at the court of Charlemagne (prominent in the history of education in European culture), now has more paragraphs dedicated to anal sex than the "legacy" section or any other for that matter in his article. I think we need to purge most of this fringe opinion; the American homosexual political activist John Boswell's views (whose opinion this is based on) is not taken seriously by established medievalist scholars. Claíomh Solais (talk) 20:34, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-09-29T20:34:00.000Z","author":"Cla\u00edomh Solais","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cla\u00edomh_Solais-2017-09-29T20:34:00.000Z-Homosexual_promotion\/obsession_in_article","replies":["c-Contaldo80-2017-10-02T09:28:00.000Z-Cla\u00edomh_Solais-2017-09-29T20:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

I suggest rather the task is you to flesh out the other sections. And where is the bit about anal sex? The obsession I fear is yours. Medieval scholars would be pretty relaxed about the information in this article. Although - granted - that Catholic apologists tend to get hot under the collar. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-10-02T09:28:00.000Z","author":"Contaldo80","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Contaldo80-2017-10-02T09:28:00.000Z-Cla\u00edomh_Solais-2017-09-29T20:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-2600:4040:F110:CF00:9CBF:9C98:71E5:C6DC-20231018023400-Contaldo80-2017-10-02T09:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

With all due respect, I am sincerely curious to learn which Medieval scholars would be comfortable with discussing specific acts of sodomy in-depth. I am not aware of any auch Medieval scholars, but am open to learning who they are. 2600:4040:F110:CF00:9CBF:9C98:71E5:C6DC (talk) 02:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231018023400","author":"2600:4040:F110:CF00:9CBF:9C98:71E5:C6DC","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2600:4040:F110:CF00:9CBF:9C98:71E5:C6DC-20231018023400-Contaldo80-2017-10-02T09:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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There is a street in York called 'Alcuin Avenue', named after Alcuin himself. Is this a relevant detail to add to the 'Legacy' section of this article? Thanks. 82.18.207.199 (talk) 22:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230531224700","author":"82.18.207.199","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-82.18.207.199-20230531224700-Opinions_on_adding_a_point_to_the_'legacy'_section?","replies":[]}}-->