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This article has zero citations for sources of the facts quoted. It is in urgent need of a rewrite.

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Libel case

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He was a claimant in a landmark libel case in the English courts - so much so that there is now a "Reynolds defence" in libel cases - this needs to be addressed.--Macca7174 15:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-10T15:46:00.000Z","author":"Macca7174","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Macca7174-2007-04-10T15:46:00.000Z-Libel_case","replies":[]}}-->

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Mahon Tribunal references

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Added details of his activities emerging in tribunal. Copy edited to remove original research in contravention of NPOV and NOR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.187.176 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-17T20:15:00.000Z","author":"194.46.187.176","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-194.46.187.176-2007-12-17T20:15:00.000Z-Mahon_Tribunal_references","replies":[]}}-->

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Irish form of his name

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Several sources which we should regard as "reliable" use the Irish form of his name. Not just http://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Reynolds and http://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailbhe_Mac_Raghnaill but also Irish government documents and biographies (e.g. http://www.archontology.org/nations/eire/eire_govt/reynolds.php)

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None of those are reliable sources, the first 2 are wikis, and government departments translate the names of ministers in to Irish regardless, where they use this or not. Reynolds is not KNOWN by his Irish name, it's just a translation. See WP:IMOS#Correct_Irish_orthography_in_naming_people for correct usage in en.wikipedia. Also, I have never heard called Ailbhe Mac Raghnaill used in any English language media when referring to Reynolds now or during his time in public office, unlike Éamon Ó Cuív who is always known by his Irish name in Irish and English. Snappy (talk) 03:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-30T03:29:00.000Z","author":"Snappy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Snappy-2009-05-30T03:29:00.000Z-ClickRick-2009-05-29T22:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-ClickRick-2009-05-30T06:35:00.000Z-Snappy-2009-05-30T03:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

1. Indeed the first two are wikis but

1. They are wikipedia family so we should AGF

2. I said "not only" those sources

2. The fact that the Irish government used the name means that we are not inventing the name here - we are merely including the fact of it being used. This argument alone is sufficient for the Irish form of his name to warrant inclusion here.

3. You made no mention of the biographical source which I cited.

4. You are right to cite that part of MOS. Paragraph 2 refers. Look at the example given there - it's almost identical to this one.

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The fact that the Irish government used the name means that we are not inventing the name here - we are merely including the fact of it being used. - So you are suggesting we use other peoples inventions then? The fact remains, Albert Reynolds was/is NEVER referred to in the English language media in Ireland other than by his name in English. I have never heard of archontology.org so I don't know if it reliable or not. I'm not disputing that the Irish translation of his name is Ailbhe Mac Raghnaill, I am disputing whether he ever used this name or was known by it. Indeed, there is no evidence that Reynolds even speaks the Irish language. You are engaging in WP:OR or copying other peoples OR. Snappy (talk) 07:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-30T07:44:00.000Z","author":"Snappy","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Snappy-2009-05-30T07:44:00.000Z-ClickRick-2009-05-30T06:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-ClickRick-2009-05-30T09:06:00.000Z-Snappy-2009-05-30T07:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

You are suggesting that WP should deny the Irish form of the name, despite it having been used by the Irish government in official documentation. I see a failure to meet WP:NPOV if we allow that. --ClickRick (talk) 09:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-30T09:06:00.000Z","author":"ClickRick","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ClickRick-2009-05-30T09:06:00.000Z-Snappy-2009-05-30T07:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Snappy-2009-05-30T09:40:00.000Z-ClickRick-2009-05-30T09:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Whereas you are suggesting we add in fiction made up by civil servants who indulged in their own OR. WP is not here to replicate other peoples mistakes. There is no evidence that Albert Reynolds was known by this name, no evidence that he used it and no evidence that he even speaks the language. Can you provide any reference from the Irish Times, the Irish Independent, the Irish Examiner, RTÉ or any other English language media outlet referring to Albert Reynolds by the Irish language translation? Snappy (talk) 09:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-30T09:40:00.000Z","author":"Snappy","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Snappy-2009-05-30T09:40:00.000Z-ClickRick-2009-05-30T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Two terms

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Reynolds served two (short) terms, not one. He headed a FF-PD government in succession to Haughey in 1992, and then after a general election served two years from January 1993 to 1994 in a FF-Labour coalition. 109.79.105.185 (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-11-21T22:56:00.000Z","author":"109.79.105.185","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-109.79.105.185-2012-11-21T22:56:00.000Z-Two_terms","replies":[]}}-->

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Apparently there are two places called "Kilglass": Kilglass in County Sligo for which we have an article and Kilglass (Roscommon) in County Roscommon for which we do not. I've looked on the map and the second one fits the bill better (not to mention I've been told by someone with local knowledge that we're wrong ;-), so I've linked to it to help someone get an article up and running for it. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 13:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-07-30T13:42:00.000Z","author":"Phil Boswell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Phil_Boswell-2015-07-30T13:42:00.000Z-Place_of_birth","replies":[],"displayName":"Phil"}}-->

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Where in WP:IMOS justifies your edits? Snappy (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-09T17:42:00.000Z","author":"Snappy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Snappy-2015-12-09T17:42:00.000Z-WP:IMOS","replies":["c-Murry1975-2015-12-10T10:06:00.000Z-Snappy-2015-12-09T17:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

It doesnt, Ni being mentioned in the article, and NI being used in the same CONTEXT in the article are two completely different things. As WP:IRE-IRL makes case on, at this rate the whole article title would need re-addressing, and who wants that hassle. Murry1975 (talk) 10:06, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-10T10:06:00.000Z","author":"Murry1975","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Murry1975-2015-12-10T10:06:00.000Z-Snappy-2015-12-09T17:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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