Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games/Archive 2010

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Currently Template:Gaelic games in Ireland is on over 500 pages it shouldn't be on more than about 30. Do you have an objections to removing this template from pages which are not shown on it? Gnevin (talk) 13:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-09T13:32:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-01-09T13:32:00.000Z-Removing_Template:Gaelic_games_in_Ireland_from_all_none_related_pages","replies":["c-Derry_Boi-2010-01-11T20:05:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-01-09T13:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Go for it! Derry Boi (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-11T20:05:00.000Z","author":"Derry Boi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Derry_Boi-2010-01-11T20:05:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-01-09T13:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Magioladitis-2010-01-13T13:03:00.000Z-Derry_Boi-2010-01-11T20:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
 Done Please check manually some of them to verify everything went ok. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-13T13:03:00.000Z","author":"Magioladitis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Magioladitis-2010-01-13T13:03:00.000Z-Derry_Boi-2010-01-11T20:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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County colours

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I noticed that only some county colours were represented properly by images on Wikipedia Commons. Not all had .svg versions, some needed to be redirected (since some county colours duplicate others), and others weren't consistently named. I've finished off doing .svg versions and fixed some redirects, so now all 32 county colours are on Wikipedia commons. They look like this:

Dublin Kildare Wicklow Wexford Kilkenny Carlow Laois
Offaly Westmeath Meath Longford Louth Waterford Cork
Kerry Tipperary Clare Limerick Galway Mayo Sligo
Roscommon Leitrim Donegal Fermanagh Tyrone Derry Down
Antrim Armagh Cavan Monaghan

They can be used by using [[File:Colours of County.svg]] (e.g. [[File:Colours of Dublin.svg|25px]] -> ). Does anyone feel that any of the colours need adjustment? If you do, can you put the colour that you think it should be in the form 'RRGGBB' and I'll make the changes. Also, are there any other colours that need to be represented? I'm thinking of stuff like non-Irish GAA teams like London. I don't know the necessary colour combinations, but if anyone wants to post some, I'll do up images for them. Teester (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-15T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Teester","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Teester-2010-01-15T18:23:00.000Z-County_colours","replies":["c-Gnevin-2010-01-21T21:07:00.000Z-Teester-2010-01-15T18:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good work but where will these be used? I'm worried about decoration Gnevin (talk) 21:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-21T21:07:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-01-21T21:07:00.000Z-Teester-2010-01-15T18:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gnevin-2010-01-21T21:21:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-01-21T21:07:00.000Z"]}}-->
For example I think O'Byrne Cup 2007 looks crap and should be removed Gnevin (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-21T21:21:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-01-21T21:21:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-01-21T21:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Peter Canavan Featured Article Candidate

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I tidied the article up a bit, and put it up for FAC. Having seen some of the trivial bollocks that gets on the home page, I think a GAA star or two wouldn't go a miss.

Follow it here Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Peter Canavan/archive2 --Macca7174talk 00:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-16T00:03:00.000Z","author":"Macca7174","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Macca7174-2010-01-16T00:03:00.000Z-Peter_Canavan_Featured_Article_Candidate","replies":[]}}-->

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Deletion of unreferenced BLPs

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Hi folks

I just thought I'd notify this project of a development which may be relevant.

Last year, I drew attention to the number of wholly unreferenced articles within this project's scope, and in particular the number of wholly unreferenced biographies of living people -- it's at Players for deletion, above.

The new development is that some admins have begin deleting unreferenced BLPs without any warning. This is currently being discussed at arbcom (see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#BLP_deletions), and while the whole thing is still highly contested, it does seem likely that in the months ahead there will be many more deletions of unreferenced BLPs. A discussion on how to proceed is underway at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people.

Meanwhile, I suggest that this project may want to consider another referencing drive. Here are the lists of unreferneced BLPs:

Catscan (the external tool which generates those lists) doesn't seem to be working at the moment, but I presume that it will be back soon. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-21T20:47:00.000Z","author":"BrownHairedGirl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BrownHairedGirl-2010-01-21T20:47:00.000Z-Deletion_of_unreferenced_BLPs","replies":[]}}-->

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Help an orphan

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There are a fair few GAA related orphan's as can be seen here and that's just for this month. Some of these could be fixed easily by adding a club to a template for example Gnevin (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-01-21T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-01-21T21:10:00.000Z-Help_an_orphan","replies":[]}}-->

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More disruptive editing from Mooretwin

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The following is a copy of a message that I left on the talk page of User:Mooretwin that may be of interest to other editors:

I'm curious. I made an edit at 23:50 on March 23rd to Talk:Northern Ireland giving you a friendly reminder to refrain from the kind of ad-hominem accusations that you were making against User:Iamstiff which, incidentally, I happen to think were in violation of WP:BITE. 36 minutes later at 00:26 on March 24th you're suddenly editing Lurgan, a page that you haven't edited in about a year, but one that I have made a substantial number of edits to in recent weeks in an attempt to get it up to GA status. Your edits were exactly the sort of thing that I was likely to challenge given our previous encounters on GAA-related pages, and sure enough I ended up challenging them. Care to explain your sudden interest in Lurgan and why you shouldn't be getting in trouble, this time for violation of WP:HOUND? --Eamonnca1 (talk) 08:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-24T08:01:00.000Z","author":"Eamonnca1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eamonnca1-2010-03-24T08:01:00.000Z-More_disruptive_editing_from_Mooretwin","replies":[]}}-->

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Unreferenced living people articles bot

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User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects provides a list, updated daily, of unreferenced living people articles (BLPs) related to your project. There has been a lot of discussion recently about deleting these unreferenced articles, so it is important that these articles are referenced.

The unreferenced articles related to your project can be found at >>>Wikipedia:WikiProject Gaelic games/Archive 2010/Unreferenced BLPs<<<

If you do not want this wikiproject to participate, please add your project name to this list.

Thank you. Okip 02:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-28T02:48:00.000Z","author":"Okip","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Okip-2010-03-28T02:48:00.000Z-Unreferenced_living_people_articles_bot","replies":[]}}-->

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Michael "Duxie" Walsh and Michael 'Ducksy' Walsh

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Same player? --necronudist (talk) 19:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-29T19:33:00.000Z","author":"Necronudist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Necronudist-2010-03-29T19:33:00.000Z-Michael_\"Duxie\"_Walsh_and_Michael_'Ducksy'_Walsh","replies":["c-Tameamseo-2010-03-29T20:45:00.000Z-Necronudist-2010-03-29T19:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, they need to be merged. Tameamseo (talk) 20:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-29T20:45:00.000Z","author":"Tameamseo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tameamseo-2010-03-29T20:45:00.000Z-Necronudist-2010-03-29T19:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Teester-2010-04-06T18:42:00.000Z-Tameamseo-2010-03-29T20:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
 Done Teester (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-04-06T18:42:00.000Z","author":"Teester","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Teester-2010-04-06T18:42:00.000Z-Tameamseo-2010-03-29T20:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Sports Notability

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Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons

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GAA redirect change

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I note User:Alaney2k has changed the GAA redirect from Gaelic Athletic Association (wherre it has redirected for seven years) to redirect instead to GAA (disambiguation). I thought I'd mention it here in case anyone disagrees with this - a previous attempt was reverted on the grounds of "Gaelic Athletic Association" being the primary version as User:Gnevin said. Tameamseo (talk) 23:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-14T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Tameamseo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tameamseo-2010-06-14T23:39:00.000Z-GAA_redirect_change","replies":["c-Gnevin-2010-06-16T07:42:00.000Z-Tameamseo-2010-06-14T23:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

There is now an open RM at Talk:GAA (disambiguation) Gnevin (talk) 07:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-16T07:42:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-06-16T07:42:00.000Z-Tameamseo-2010-06-14T23:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Template:Gaelic games barnstar

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Since we don't already have one, I've made up a barnstar for Wikipedia:WikiProject Gaelic games:

The Barnstar of Lovely Hurling
This is only an example!

Please use it as you see fit. Teester (talk) 18:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-20T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Teester","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Teester-2010-07-20T18:55:00.000Z-Template:Gaelic_games_barnstar","replies":[]}}-->

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File:Countieshf.GIF

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I'd like to propose the replacement of File:Countieshf.GIF with Image:Gaelic_Games_County_Map.svg for a couple of reasons:

  1. It's an SVG rather than a GIF
  2. There doesn't seem to be any particular reasoning (that I can identify) behind which counties are football, hurling or dual in File:Countieshf.GIF. File:Gaelic_Games_County_Map.svg has counties currently in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship in yellow, those in the All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship in blue and those involved in both in green.

Thoughts? Teester (talk) 18:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-07-20T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Teester","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Teester-2010-07-20T18:55:00.000Z-File:Countieshf.GIF","replies":["c-Gnevin-2010-08-05T15:04:00.000Z-Teester-2010-07-20T18:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

It need as some definition other wise its WP:OR . Such as counties with Hurling and Football teams in Div 1 of the 2010 National leagues. Currently it's a list of McCarthy teams excluding Kilkenny. I mean Waterford and Tipp Dual counties not really? Maybe replace Dual with teams in both ? Gnevin (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-05T15:04:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-08-05T15:04:00.000Z-Teester-2010-07-20T18:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Teester-2010-08-05T16:28:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-08-05T15:04:00.000Z","c-Gnevin-2010-08-05T21:33:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-08-05T15:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
The problem (for me) is that there is no real definition of a football, hurling or dual county written down anywhere as far as I can see. It's always used as a county being 'traditionally' being 'good' at one or the other, without the criteria of 'good' being defined at all. I agree that I don't necessarily see Tipp or Waterford as dual counties, but I do see Dublin as one (at this stage), and I wouldn't say either Laois or Carlow are. That's my gut opinion and others may see it differently, and that's the problem. We could use a map based on National League performance as you suggest, but that would leave gaps in the map with counties qualifying for neither, and that doesn't feel right either. I like the idea of redefining the image as Maguire and McCarthy participants. The map is used in Hurling, List of Gaelic games terminology, Gaelic Athletic Association and Gaelic Athletic Association county. In each case, it could probably be re captioned in a suitable fashion without detracting from the article. Teester (talk) 16:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-05T16:28:00.000Z","author":"Teester","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Teester-2010-08-05T16:28:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-08-05T15:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Yeah re captioning would be needed but would be easy enough . Gnevin (talk) 21:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-05T21:33:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-08-05T21:33:00.000Z-Gnevin-2010-08-05T15:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Intention to remove flags

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As per WP:ICONDECORATION and Wikipedia:ICONDECORATION#Do_not_use_subnational_flags_without_direct_relevance . I'm going to remove all flags from All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2010 type article unless someone has an issue Gnevin (talk) 10:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-19T10:14:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-08-19T10:14:00.000Z-Intention_to_remove_flags","replies":[]}}-->

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RFC On Differing Football Nomenclature

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Hello, i'm looking for input from the Wikiprojects on all the Football codes so we can get a standardized wording for each brand of the sport. Doc Quintana (talk) 18:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-11T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Doc Quintana","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doc_Quintana-2010-09-11T18:49:00.000Z-RFC_On_Differing_Football_Nomenclature","replies":[]}}-->

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RFC Talk:Football#RFC:_Association_football

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The question being ask is Should football be WP:DAB'd for all codes when the code is first mentioned in the intro? Gnevin (talk) 09:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-10-05T09:42:00.000Z","author":"Gnevin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gnevin-2010-10-05T09:42:00.000Z-RFC_Talk:Football#RFC:_Association_football","replies":[]}}-->

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WikiProject cleanup listing

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I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T20:46:00.000Z","author":"Svick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Svick-2010-11-07T20:46:00.000Z-WikiProject_cleanup_listing","replies":[]}}-->

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Unreferenced biographies of living people

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You may be aware that there is a drive to ensure that we have no unreferenced articles about living people, by either adding references to articles or, if none can be found, deleting them. In working through our oldest such articles I notice that a significant proportion are about people involved with Gaelic sports, for example three of the four articles in that category that I have looked at today are Marty Morrissey, Brian Murphy (Gaelic games) and Eoin Murphy. I have added enough sources to those articles to avoid deletion, but as an Englishman with little knowledge of Gaelic sports I find it difficult to do the articles proper justice. Could some editors who have better knowledge of this subject have a go at sourcing articles from the oldest months listed at Category:Unreferenced BLPs? I'm worried that we might end up with articles about some very notable sportsmen being deleted. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-19T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Phil Bridger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Phil_Bridger-2010-11-19T18:33:00.000Z-Unreferenced_biographies_of_living_people","replies":[]}}-->

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Henry Shefflin

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Hello.

Just a little note to tell you that fr:Henry Shefflin will be soon a "Good Article" on the french side ! The first ever in french about gaelic games  ! Matpib (talk) 10:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-21T10:48:00.000Z","author":"Matpib","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Matpib-2010-11-21T10:48:00.000Z-Henry_Shefflin","replies":[]}}-->

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GAA counties category

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Hi; a discussion on renaming and/or subdividing Category:Gaelic games by county is at Category talk:Gaelic games by county#Categorisation. jnestorius(talk) 10:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-02T10:14:00.000Z","author":"Jnestorius","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jnestorius-2010-12-02T10:14:00.000Z-GAA_counties_category","replies":[]}}-->

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Tony Leahy can you help?

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Is the "retired Irish sportsperson" Tony Leahy stub the same Tony Leahy currently coaching St Finbarr's? If so, I wonder whether someone here would be kind enough to either let me know, or pop by and update the article, which has been languishing as an unreferenced biography of a living person since April 2009. I can't source the current text, which means that it's at risk of being proposed for deletion in the current drive to reduce the backlog of unreferenced BLPs. Any help gratefully received.--Plad2 (talk) 19:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-12-24T19:17:00.000Z","author":"Plad2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Plad2-2010-12-24T19:17:00.000Z-Tony_Leahy_can_you_help?","replies":[]}}-->

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