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Cardinalsmyles
Speaking of blocks, just a heads up, but I'm not sure the block did much good. The nonsensical/disruptive editing, albeit now copyvios, has resumed on Hawaii Five-0 and its episode page. Cluelessness continues, no response to warnings and no edit summaries or action on talk pages. --Drmargi (talk) 22:46, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I was so hoping this could be avoided, but I fear it's time to lower the cluehammer. We've had two more incidents, one copyvio, and one disruptive. Warning go unheeded (see talk page; I warned for both) and no change of behavior. It's almost like he/she is showing someone how to move a list table to a new article; he/she puts it in, then takes it back. More likely, they don't know how to work around the redirect I put in. Either way, I see no productive editing to speak of aside from very small stuff. --Drmargi (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Indeed; and they still refuse to discuss, at all, ever; I don't think any more WP:ROPE can be reasonably given. Accordingly, I've indef'd them; maybe if they finally start discussing now progress can be made. - The BushrangerOne ping only22:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
G'day from Oz; I came across this new User. His/her edit history started just before the last SPI, so I'm not sure of this one being an Rk sock, but there is a very familiar pattern to the edits. I guess if there can be a "false positive" in an SPI such as we saw a couple of months back, there can also be a false negative. D'you reckon it's worth another SPI at this stage? YSSYguy (talk) 01:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, could you please have a look at this edit? I'm really getting fed-up with the disparaging remarks that this guy throws in my direction. Also, do you know an admin with experience in categories/categorization to have a look at edits like this one? Thanks. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
He just was at it again (see my talk page), so ANI it's certainly going to be, as soon as I have time for that. Stupid me, should've thought of BrownHairedGirl myself. Thanks for reminding me of her :-) --Guillaume2303 (talk) 21:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Caught Battle Circus (film) which was a harbinger of the later MASH movie and TV series; mainly obscure today but it starred Humphrey Bogart, June Allyson and Keenan Wynn (also a helicopter movie set in the Korean War!) FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
... and found another one, Flight From Glory, a 1937 B film that features some spirited flying by famous Hollywood stunt pilot Paul Mantz (uncredited) and presages the later Only Angels Have Wings (1939), with the same scenario of a South American airline carrying on the precarious business of flying over the Andes. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC).
Sorry about that; been being chewed up by RL and lack of sleep. Looking at the WZ-523, it looks to me like it could be a valid article. I think I have that Jane's book so I'll take a deeper look after the race! - The BushrangerOne ping only18:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
BR, User:MartinVillafuerte85 seems to be adding some seeming good content to aircraft articles, but seems to make no effort to cite his sources. He has a number of notices on his talk page about this dating back at least a couple of years, includign several from the past 2 months. Is their any way you can "encourage" compliance on this issue? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 01:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
BR, User:Jajadelera2 appears to be a vandalism-only account dedicated, quite oddly, to changing production dates on airliner articles. Could you look into blocking it? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
The 64.223.104.226 is on a crusade to change all biography articles to incorporate birth/actual names in place of/or as the common name. I have already attempted to open a dialogue on his talk page, to no avail and on the Barbara Stanwyck article where I first spotted changes occurring and where I have already hit 3r, at first thinking the edits were incidental. After doing a rudimentary check, I noted a wide pattern of disruptive editing that has been noticed by other editors. What can be done now? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC).
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Tim Richmond (June 7, 1955 – August 13, 1989) was an Americanrace car driver from Ashland, Ohio. He competed in IndyCar racing before transferring to NASCAR's Winston Cup Series (now Sprint Cup Series). Richmond was one of the first drivers to change from open wheel racing to NASCAR stock cars full-time, which has since become an industry trend. He won the 1980 Indianapolis 500 Rookie of the Year award and had 13 victories during eight NASCAR seasons.
Richmond achieved his top NASCAR season in 1986 when he finished third in points. He won seven races that season, more than any other driver on the tour. When he missed the season-opening Daytona 500 in February 1987, media reported that he had pneumonia. The infection most likely resulted from his compromised immune system, which was weakened by AIDS. The disease drastically shortened his life. Despite the state of his health, Richmond competed in eight races in 1987, winning two events and one pole position before his final race in August of that year. He attempted a comeback in 1988 before NASCAR banned him for testing positive for a banned substance; after NASCAR insisted on access to his entire medical record before reinstating him, Richmond withdrew from racing. NASCAR later stated their original test was inaccurate.
Richmond grew up in a wealthy family and lived a freewheeling lifestyle, earning him the nickname "Hollywood". In describing Richmond's influence in racing, Charlotte Motor Speedway president Humpy Wheeler said: "We've never had a race driver like Tim in stock car racing. He was almost a James Dean-like character." When Richmond was cast for a bit part in the 1983 movie Stroker Ace, "He fell right in with the group working on the film," said director Hal Needham. Cole Trickle, the main character in the movie Days of Thunder, played by Tom Cruise, was loosely based on Richmond and his interaction with Harry Hyde and Rick Hendrick. (Read more...)
is removing sourced content from Billy Hunter. On the basis of the editor's name, he or she has a conflict of interest. Maybe you want to do something about this....William15:24, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi BR: This relatively new user is on a bit of a campaign to replace many aircraft type images with his own. I have tried to engage him on his talk page and pointed out WP:AIRCRAFT-IMAGES and the requirement to discuss before removing to him, but he doesn't seem to be slowing down. I have had to go and fix pretty much all of them he has removed, re-inserting the deleted images back in, while leaving his additions. You originally welcomed him in April, I thought perhaps a word from you might help reinforce the message to discuss images before removing them. - Ahunt (talk) 20:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I think we fought that one to a standstill, so no rush. In the meantime I hope you get your life under control . - Ahunt (talk) 20:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Well yes, it's at a standstill because you won't answer the question I've asked you multiple times on Ze-dan's talk page. ;-) This isn't about deleting images anymore; it's about the choice of infobox image.
Also Bushranger, your project's last bullet point at WP:AIRCRAFT-IMAGES is a bit screwed up. It's basically saying that you can't be bold in changing out an infobox image... which is a bit weird to start with, but because no one ever looks at the guideline, it's only pointed to after-the-fact, which kind of defeats the purpose of a preventative guideline. Would you like to tackle that or should I start a discussion? ;-) Ed[talk][majestic titan]20:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
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There's an editor who keeps turning his article into what mostly resembles a campaign press release. The article has RS, NPOV, and OR issues at least. He reverts my work, I tried editing out alot of the patting on the back material(Endorsements, unreferenced accomplishments, material from Aronberg press releases, results of a poll done by the Aronberg campaign), he reverted again[1]. Can you take a look at this article? Oh and be aware of this also[2]....William00:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Just blocked User:6993L as somebody from the back of the sock draw who just created 2012 Algerian Air Force C-295 crash, now late UK time so I have to do some RL stuff, any chance of you or one of the TPS giving this a sanity check and raising a sock investigation, if not I will come back to it tomorrow, thanks. I could be wrong but the fact that he/she copied the template from FlyMontserrat Flight 107 and forgot to change the registration rang some loud bells. MilborneOne (talk) 23:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Hey, Bushranger! I know you're going to be delighted to hear this, but our old pal Cardinalsmyles is back, block evading on a new IP: 97.85.224.28. He/she went active on October 23, but until today, it wasn't obvious it was the same person. There's already a warning on their talk page about copyvios, and now they're back to trying to force an edit on the Hawaii Five-0 article. I'm going to file an SPI so it's documented, but given the back-up there and this editor's disruptive nature, wanted you to be aware of it as well, since you've handled them in the past. --Drmargi (talk) 00:23, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
You tell me and we'll both know, bunkie! And why so often over such trivial stuff? I've met the master above while wandering through SPI. Clearly, he's not acquainted with the definition of insanity. --Drmargi (talk) 11:59, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Austin Dillon is 63 points (as of Texas) ahead of Cole Whitt in ROTY standings. Likewise, brother Ty is 82 ahead of Cale Gale in the ROTY battle. My point is, that I think that Ty and Austin have enough points to clinch ROTY titles in their respective series. Do you agree?Gaeaman787 (talk) 22:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
This editor continues, despite a huge number of warnings on his talk page, to make unsourced changes to sourced specification tables. As warnings seem to have no effect, perhaps more serious measures are needed to get his attention.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:25, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
There was an AFD discussion in July 2012 concerning the U.S. network television schedules. After the discussion was closed, you placed the standard link to the discussion on the articles' talk pages. However, it appears a link to the 2007 AFD discussion was used twice, and the 2012 AFD did not get linked. I'm having difficulty finding the 2012 AFD. Can you help me out? Firsfron of Ronchester18:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I noted that you merged Category:Recipients of the Prisoner of War Medal with Category:American prisoners of war. This is problematic for a few reasons, but mostly because the medal criteria is broader than the international law definition of POWs (so hundreds of medal recipients, while captives, are not actually POWs). For example, Lloyd Bucher and William R. Higgins were not POWs, but they were POW Medal recipients (and this was legally correct). This is because international law requires conflict between two states before you can have POWs. Bucher was held by N. Korea without an armed conflict, and Higgins was held by Hezbollah without an armed conflict. So, neither are actually POWs. The POW Medal should probably be called the "Captivity Medal," because it recognizes more than POWs.
Well, if some were merged that shouldn't be in the new category, they can be boldy removed. The discussion resulted in a merge consensus; the medal itself was determined to be overcategorisation, and the best way to deal with it was to merge to ensure that no articles were left uncategorised, at that point the "outliers" like the ones you mention can be removed as cleanup. If you think the entire consensus was wrong, however, the place to bring it up is at WP:DRV. - The BushrangerOne ping only02:15, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Pole position driver Kasey Kahne maintained his lead on the first lap of the race. Edwards started in the second position on the grid, and became the leader of the race on the fourth lap. Shortly after a restart on lap 22, championship leader Denny Hamlin spun sideways, resulting with damage to his splitter. Martin Truex, Jr. took the lead on lap 73, but after the final pit stops Edwards was first. He maintained the lead to win the race, having led it for 192 laps.
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He won the 2012 Turkey Night Grand Prix (which is a major midget car race) and a bunch of USAC National Midget races in 2012. I changed some of the organization / structure of the article so please review - and make changes as you feel fit. Former midget drivers frequently come back to these major off-season races including the Chili Bowl. Cheers! Royalbroil16:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Can you have a look at jenks24 talk page? I understand you were involved in the deletion of the Interchange page and jenks is not responding on his talk page. Thanks
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(talk page stalker) I wouldn't semi them; both articles aren't receiving an obscene amount of vandalism, and a lot of the vandalism that does occur is reverted by bots. These are also high-profile articles. You might be better served by a request at WP:RFPP, where a few people can form a consensus. Ed[talk][majestic titan]06:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Hola Bushranger! Just recently, the links to some old RPG on Reina Victoria Eugenia class battleship were tagged as dead, which reminded me of something you said long ago regarding a possible GAN if that source could be backed up. Well, it's been replaced by Conway's 1906 to 1921, so I'd like to know, once again, if she's seaworthy, I mean, GANworthy. Buggie111 (talk) 04:08, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Check the article; I saw it on TCM recently and thought, great, another "lost" aviation movie and then, I began to realize the painful pairing of Katherine Hepburn and Bob Hope had led to a monumental disaster with Hepburn trying to do Garbo while Hope was mugging away. In the end, the mess was so bad that even Hope, who owned its rights, disowned the film and arranged to have it locked away for over 40 years until, presumably, all the principals had died, and Turner Classic Movies could make a deal to re-release the porridge. FWiW (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC).
Hi, I see you closed out this CfD. However user JPL had created dozens of these [xxx establishments in Foo] proposals over many days - its a real mess and super-painful. This one is an outlier and so misses out all the fun 8-( . Nonetheless the last edit was 48 hours ago. Is there any way you can revert this close to keep it alive or put it on hold - as its premature to close out this solitary Syria CfD until the main discussion here comes to a conclusion. Thanks,
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Well, it's already been processed, unfortunatly, but as there was only one entry (an ice cream establishemnt - !), if the 'main' discussion closes against it, it should be trivial to simply recreate it. - The BushrangerOne ping only02:16, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
yes, many of these items are a bit low down the scale, but I'm sure it means something to someone. But some people will quote your close as a precedent. Can you keep an eye open for it when the other discussions end. By the way, although you didn't participate in that discussion, you have participated in identical CFDs recently, and so are obviously not a disinterested party. You probably need to let someone else close out the other 'establishments' discussions when they;ve done their course. Best regards, Ephebi (talk) 04:05, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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Daytona International Speedway is a race track in Daytona Beach, Florida, United States. Since opening in 1959, it has been the home of the Daytona 500, the most prestigious race in NASCAR. In addition to NASCAR, the track also hosts races of ARCA, AMA Superbike, Grand-Am and Motocross. The track features multiple layouts including the primary 2.5 miles (4.0 km) high speed tri-oval, a 3.56 miles (5.73 km) sports car course, a 2.95 miles (4.75 km) motorcycle course, and a .25 miles (0.40 km) karting and motorcycle flat-track. The track's 180-acre (73 ha) infield includes the 29-acre (12 ha) Lake Lloyd, which has hosted powerboat racing. The speedway is owned and operated by International Speedway Corporation. The track was built in 1958 by NASCAR founder William France Sr. to host racing that was being held at the former Daytona Beach Road Course. His banked design permitted higher speeds and gave fans a better view of the cars. Lights were installed around the track in 1998, and today it is the third largest single lit outdoor sports facility. The speedway has been renovated three times, with the infield renovated in 2004, and the track repaved in 1978 and 2010. (Read more...)
Thanks for closing that Bushranger, I did take a hard look at developing an article on the sponge genus but information is very hard to come by - maybe one day. Mikenorton (talk) 18:17, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Bushranger, I noticed that you deleted the John Golden page last year. I've done some research on Golden and think that he really does pass the notability test. I've started a draft on my user page that I was hoping you could review and let me know if you agree. It seems obvious to me there is a lot more information on him that we could cite, but I'm having trouble getting around pay walls so far. Let me know if you think we could put this up as a stub:
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012–13 Vitória S.C. B season
While your speedy close was correct, the AfD is valid as I agree that the article needs deleting (no notability or meaningful content) - would it be possible for you to re-open the AfD, or should I start a whole new one? GiantSnowman13:39, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Isn't Nelson Piquet still technically with Turner, they haven't announced anything as of late except for JEb Burton and Paludo. I only brought it up since you had put Piquet in the former drivers column of the Turner template. Also I'm trying to solve the Whitney/HSM issue but it doesn't seem like anyone really cares to fix it.Gaeaman787 (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
According to The Great Guru - er, Jayski's - Piquet's former ride is listed as "TBA" on the team charts, and I think Piquet's contract ran out at the end of the season? Most of the silly season yap I've heard has Piquet not at Turner next year, but nothing confirmed yet. As for Whitney/HSM, what exactly needs to be done? - The BushrangerOne ping only19:23, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
St. Paul churches
Looks like you fed the bot with confusing data so these got moved to the wrong name. Since I objected to the speedy as nominated, I can't fix this. So please readd for the bot. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Appreciate and accept your recent comments on WP:AIRCRAFT talk page, I didnt have a problem with your original comments or in fact you raising WP:COMMONSENSE, it was the replies and comments from some of the other editors that questioned the good faith and motives of contributors I didnt like, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I'm somewhat new to Wikipedia and was wondering if you can give me some insight. I created a page about a company named Apogee Instruments, but it was just deleted by you. I'm trying to figure out why it was deleted when these similar companies' pages are allowed to remain in Wikipedia: LI-COR Biosciences and Decagon Devices. I believe Apogee is at least as notable as both of those companies. I guess maybe my mistake was adding information about Apogee that I believe proved notability, but I did so after several votes had been cast. Is there some kind of appeal I can submit where it can be re-opened to voting. Thanks. Myniceguy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi mate! Yes, we've been through this several times now. Is there anything that can be done? I'd really rather not have yet another related thread archived from ANI without closure/action. It's just a massive distraction from legitimate work. It would be good to have the AFD closed, a couple of potential titles salted and a couple of articles semi'd. Do you think it would be worth me asking for as much at ANI? Stalwart11123:04, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Damn it! Got archived already (and I got knuckle-rapped for de-archiving an unresolved thread only last week). Anything you could do or would you consider yourself too involved? My requests would have been:
Hi Bushranger. You recently deleted this article. I was wondering if you could email me a copy of the talk page. I am curious who and how it was passed as a Good article and whether it was ever reassessed as part of the GA sweeps. Cheers AIRcorn(talk)06:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Category:Saint Louis City, Missouri geography stubs
Regarding the naming issue — something that comes to mind is the National Park Service's weekly list of new historic sites. See here for one where they mention St Louis, or here for a comparable setting in Virginia. Nyttend (talk) 21:57, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm not trying to correct you or to defend the current scheme. I'm saying "since the current one is problematic, let's use the NPS scheme". Nyttend (talk) 03:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Both these pages I CSD them. Both are vanity pages created by the persons themselves. The first person has a few references but they are hardly notable, the second(Created over 4 years ago) is unreferenced. Most links are dead or barely touch on the person. Can you check both out. If CSD don't apply, would you recommend them for AFD and how? Thanks for the help.
BTW I found a hoax baseball article named Moss Trestman yesterday. It had been up on WP for 3 years and one editor had come across it almost a year ago, recognized it as a hoax, but did nothing. Article is gone now but I just thought I'd relate it....William02:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Hoaxers never seem to stop, alas. The first one there has been deleted; the other however appears to have at least some claim of notability, although it needs some serious puffery removal! - The BushrangerOne ping only08:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Bushranger, I created a page entitled Steven M. Cohen (Attorney) which you deleted. Could you send me all of the code from the page I created so I can edit it and make it more acceptable? My e-mail address is <snipped> Thanks very much.
Since you're an admin, I was wondering if you could move the Humphrey Smith Motorsports page, which was incorrectly moved by User:D-Day, back to Phil Parsons Racing. Since PPR, not HSM is a continuation of Prism and HP Racing. HSM is completely new team, and should get a completely new page. Whitney should remain defunct and have its info on PPR removed. Gaeaman787 (talk) 02:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
IMHO? Those probably should all go, except perhaps for WW2. "Cold War" is too nebulous (everything the US, UK, France, Russia, etc. produced c.1948-1991 could be included); Gulf War is too narrow (same reason as Falklands). WW2 is on the borderline (defining for sure, but everything in the era was used in it more or less.) - The BushrangerOne ping only22:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
OK understood, I would probably say ww2 might mean some debate but I am not sure why it is an exception to the "weapons by war" precedent, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 22:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
The whole PPR thing got messed up (in good faith, but still messed up) when the PPR page was moved to Humphrey Smith Motorsports. I moved that back earlier but had missed this. HSM needs its own page with Whitney defunct (but still with a page) and PPR seperate (as it is now, I think?) - The BushrangerOne ping only22:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
It's a newly created article, and maybe by the person himself. He's claiming he played in the NFL, but NFL.com says no. He has tried putting in references, one is a book and the other is a dead end. I don't know what should be done with this article. He took down a prod too....William19:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
List of the verified oldest known transgender is a very poorly defined article. Its not a list, just one entry. There was a second, but I removed it per WP:RS because its source was a blog from 5 years ago. Another problem- The one entry is the oldest in china, not world wide. Third, where's the verification for any of this? Note the list is verified. I prodded it, but is there any grounds to CSD it?...William01:07, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I've restored Harry Dunn at User:JHunterJ/Harry Dunn and added citations. The article is (red) linked from 50 or more articles, so I'm hoping that the additional citations will meet GNG. The deletion review process suggests starting with the closing admin, so here I am. What should I do next? Is a move back to mainspace OK, or would I need the formal review? Thanks, and cheers! -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't think I've done so; I was looking just at the general notability guidelines. I have no particular knowledge of football; I only stumbled on this because of WP:MALPLACED's list. Since the deletion, Harry Dunn (disambiguation) exists while Harry Dunn doesn't. Normally, I'd move the dab to the base name and fix the incoming links, but there are a lot of incoming links and most (or all) intend the football player/manager. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:53, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I saw you edited this in the past. An editor has made a mess of the template's colors. Can you fix it? I would do it but am not sure how. Thanks....William17:19, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
A few months ago I related to Ryan the standard offer. If he'd stop socking for a year, he might even get me to sponsor his return. I don't have a problem cleaning up his spelling and grammar. Unfortunately Ryan didn't listen. Sigh.......William23:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
You may not have understood points I tried to make
In this comment I think you are addressing a counter-argument to a point no one attempted to make, and that you appear to not to have noticed the point I already made. You wrote:
"The Coast Guard Medal is not at the level of medals that confers notability."
Wouldn`t it be more correct to say: "The Coast Guard Medal is not at the level of medals that confers sufficient notability, all by itself, for an awardee to merit an individual article"?
It has long been accepted here that being the recipient of a nation's highest award is sufficient to make the awardee "notable" -- all by itself. When one reviews the articles on recipients of the highest award, their awards are often their sole claim to notability. That is true for civilian medals like the George Cross, as well.
I see nothing in the record to suggest there has ever been any consensus that lesser medals confer zero notability. Are you aware of any discussions that explicitly concluded lesser medals conferred zero notability?
John Kerry won Bronze Stars -- didn't they confer enough notability that they are worth noting in an article about him, even though they confer less notability than a Silver Star, which, in turn, confers less notability than a Medal of Honor?
Some medals are very common, and not widely unknown, outside the military. In the US context the Purple Heart is pretty common, isn't it? My recollection was that John Kerry's Purple Hearts would not usually be considered worth mention in the John Kerry article, if it weren't that some critics challenged the significance of his wounds, and implied he used insignificant wounds to get sent home early.
When an article says an American served in Vietnam, I think we wouldn't usually mention that they were entitled to wear campaign medals that any veteran who served in Vietnam is entitled to wear. Have I got that right?
So, don't various medals confer a range of notabilities? Is so, how does the Coast Guard Medal compare with the Silver Star and Bronze Star? I am no expert. I don't know. But they aren't awarded that often, and they do seem to require significant daring, which would suggest to me they confer a significant fraction of the notability of a Medal of Honor -- a lot more than the very common medals not worthy of mention.
I tried to make the point that while BLP1E does allow for exceptions, where a single event, like winning a Medal of Honor, is sufficient to establish notability, most individuals' notability is determined by adding up multiple factors that confer notability. I tried to make the point that in Richard Dixon's case, we do have multiple factors conferring notability.
I'd appreciate if you clarified whether you meant to suggest that lesser medals conferred zero notability.
I do recognize that it would be perfectly reasonable for you to say you acknowledge multiple factors can add up to our notability threshhold, and that, in your opinion, the factors in Dixon's case fall short. Geo Swan (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm. I saw that too, but I'm not 100% sure on that one, actually - as LBD is an aircraft-series designation, and it's arguably as much an unmanned aircraft as a missile (see also Republic-Ford JB-2). It kinda straddles the line! I reckon it can be moved (I was the one who originally moved it back in the Great Aircraft Article Naming Change, I see), but it might be contested. - The BushrangerOne ping only22:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
That was some get-together, wasn't it. I wonder how gentlemanly cockroaches act differently from ungentlemanly ones. I'm not going to block the exterminator, though I will probably keep an eye on him. Drmies (talk) 20:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi mate, just pickin' on ya 'cos you're an admin and seemed to be active right now... Might be time to protect German battleship Bismarck and/or block an IP user with a history of disruptive editing who seems to be back after the Xmas/NY holidays. By all means check the history of article and user and make your own mind up... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
I've sunk his battleship by protecting the article for two weeks, and given him a v3 warning to boot (since he's obviously returning to grind his axe with Parsec). - The BushrangerOne ping only01:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
I csd it but article creator took it down, bot put it back up, but then a brand new out of nowhere account[7] took the csd down. I suspect the new account is a sock of the creator. Note the creator has tried to create this article multiple times[8], and its been taken down. AChang65 in the past has taken down the CSD tags. Pretty clear case of socking to me....William04:22, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
And he's under the username of User:Thomy98. He just vandalized the 2013 Truck Series page, as well as Cole Whitt's article and created a fanmade Abu Dhabi rally team. So if you'd be so kind as to report him as a sockpuppet and indef ban him. Another question, but how does one apply for being a administrator. Yes, I've been banned once before (though that was 4 years ago), and I think I've become a more responsible editor for Wikipedia. So, to further help you all out, I was wondering how to go to the next step of administrator. Thanks!Gaeaman787 (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I just realised I forgot the second part of your question, sorry! With regards to being an admin, I wouldn't worry too much about a past block on your record, if you've learned from it and not repeated what got you blocked - indeed, there are those who regard a clean block log as suspicious. I'd suggest you take some time and read through the significant policies and guidelines, getting a full understanding of them (for instance, you've used "ban" when "block" is what's meant - those are different things). Then I'd suggest asking somebody from outside your usual editing sphere to take a look at your editing - I'd suggest Ed - to give a kind of "outside opinon", as it were. If at that point you're still prepared to grasp for the mop, be prepared for the nattering nabobs of negativism to come out of the woodwork at the circus that is RFA (one person openly speculated that I was a sockpuppet of a disgraced past admin on no other basis than he and I both were in the aircraft project, for instance) - it's not for the faint of heart. But if you're ready to face it, then good luck. - The BushrangerOne ping only22:01, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jasser Haj Youssef
You closed this debate as no consensus despite it was only created one week ago and had been relisted (twice on the same day by mistake). Would you explain this? I wanted to consult with you before reverting the close. SwisterTwistertalk01:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I missed the accidental double-relisting - saw it had been "relisted twice" and preusmed it was 'dead from lack of discussion'. Thanks for the catch, I'll revert that. - The BushrangerOne ping only01:09, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
See WP:DESYSOP: "The Arbitration Committee can ask for an administrator's permissions to be removed. However, they will generally not accept a case unless other methods of dispute resolution have been attempted." Hope this helps. Usually a RFC into the admin's actions would be a good step before ArbCom assuming that there is a need for an RFC of course. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
...the comment about "nice ermine" in the very thread you graciously re-opened at least generated a small chuckle that cooled your blood pressure at least a little (✉→BWilkins←✎) 18:21, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi, it seems that you made this deletion without checking for backlinks to the deleted categories. This was still linked to one of them; this and this also linked to each other's old name, and some other songs/albums categories too. This article linked to an old category too. It's worth doing; hope this doesn't come across as a nag! – FayenaticLondon20:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
The mentions of the video and exterminator are in the article's top section. His edits are just repeating it. BTW I deleted his first entry to my talk page by accident and I just restored it. Nothing malicious, just careless editing by me....William00:43, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Why doesn't he just call me an "asshole"? I am not a spa. I looked it up. I have made improvements on articles about an airplane crash and a hospital. If you look in Wikipedia, you will find many people who write about one article on one day. I have written about three totally different subjects in one hour. SupportMelissaKetunuti (talk) 00:51, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thank you for welcoming me
Thank you for welcoming me.
User william JE just wrote that he is getting an administrator and you are one so you may be acting as the police.
There is a new article. It needs improvement, I agree. It is very new. There was a debate WITHIN the article about whether to keep it. William removed this. I agree! However, he also removed factual information about the murder. This is either sloppy, devious, or unintentionally bad.
There's no "police" on Wikipedia; admins support the policies. Information is not removed from articles based on not liking it; it's removed based on Wikipedia's policies. Policies, guidelines, and generally followed practices regarding the inclusion of information in an article, or the article itself, include Verifiability, Notability, Reliable Sources, and What Wikipedia is Not. It's worth mentioning that the standard for inclusion in Wikipedia is Verifiability, not Truth; facts can be "true", but if they have not been reported in reliable, third-party sources, they can't be included in an article. If you have concerns about the article's content, the first place to discuss them is the article's talk page, where Consensus can be established regarding the inclusion or exclusion of content. If you believe the article should not be deleted, you can remove the Proposed Deletion tag; the other editor, or any other editor, can then choose to send the article to Articles for Deletion if they still believe it should be deleted; an AfD tag can not be removed from the article, however the community as a whole will have the chance to evaluate it and determine if it meets the policies and standard for inclusion in Wikipedia. - The BushrangerOne ping only00:43, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
You wrote " Information is not removed from articles based on not liking it; it's removed based on Wikipedia's policies." This is not true. Anyone can remove anything they don't want. I suspect this is far more common that looking up a policy and removing a sentence based on policy violation. Even if one is well intentioned and improves an article, say by correcting grammar (which removes some words), they are improving it, not removing something because of a policy violation.
WP:IDONTLIKEIT is a link for a reason; the people who remove information against policy are called vandals; there are many, but simply removing content, even sourced content in some cases, is not vandalism. I'm not a bureaucraft, you'll want to request a username change at WP:CHU. - The BushrangerOne ping only02:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Portal:NASCAR is a place where we can exhibit our best articles and most interesting free images. Any article which is FA, GA, High or Top importance can be added for display as a Selected article or as a Selected biography, free images can be added to be displayed as Selected pictures. All of these are chosen randomly for display on each page view to avoid both bias and having to manually update the page monthly. If you've created or seen an article or image that you feel would be a good addition to the portal, follow the instructions on the pages linked above. Please nominate articles or images on the talk pages.
The consensus of the community, in the AN/I discussion linked, was for the topic ban; you'd have to ask there for precise details, as all I did was close the discussion by the consensus. - The BushrangerOne ping only00:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
...ouch, confusing when a race name get swapped between the year's dates isn't it! And fixing the links to the GFR500 is gonna be a pain as a result. Anyway, I've made the moves, lemme know if there's anything else that needs a mop shook at it. - The BushrangerOne ping only01:00, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I forgot about all of those links, it would have been a lot simpler if they renamed the fall race to Virginia 500 instead of changing both races. --Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs)01:04, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted you to know that your witty closing comment on that thread [11] was noticed, and the prolonged fit of laughter that it induced was the highlight of my afternoon. Thanks! Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 06:13, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
On 29 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article AAM-N-4 Oriole, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the United States Navy planned to use Orioles and Meteors to shoot down enemy aircraft? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
On 29 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article AAM-N-5 Meteor, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the United States Navy planned to use Orioles and Meteors to shoot down enemy aircraft? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Dear BR: This is a request for you to review this situation, as this user asked you before to look at this same issue in 2011. As this user indicated in that talk page post, he or she represents the school that is the subject of the article Tak Sun Secondary School. At that time you indicated that the content was copyrighted and did not restore it. As you can see at User_talk:Tssswebmaster this article has since been created and deleted as WP:SPAM several times and the user warned for WP:COI. His or her mission seems to be to create a promotional article here to attract students to his or her school. The last time the article was recreated I considered once again sending it to WP:CSD as spam, but some research turned up that the school is actually notable, for a number of academic shortfalls and a financial scandal. So rather than send a notable subject to deletion I fixed the article, replacing the unsourced and copyright vio promotional text with encyclopedic content. Naturally this has not sat well with the user who is determined that the article contain only promotional material and nothing negative. WP:COI of course warns users about exactly this outcome, saying: "If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want to have included in an article, note that it will probably find its way there eventually." Anyway the user has been consistently vandalizing the article to remove cited content and replace it with uncited promotional text. I have just given them a final warning for this on their talk page, but they show no signs of stopping or communicating with anyone. I was wondering if I could impose upon you to review the matter and take whatever action you deem appropriate under the circumstances. Thank you for considering this request. - Ahunt (talk) 12:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for reviewing it! I expect that event will happen by tomorrow morning based on recent edits. - Ahunt (talk) 22:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I was significantly surprised at your decision to re-list this deletion debate - what were your thoughts behind that if you don't mind me asking? ---- nonsenseferret01:56, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
No worries, I jumped a bit too quickly. To be honest though, I was really wondering whether given the details of this one whether I should request further action, thought I'm not sure what form this action could take - the page has been attempted to be submitted a few times (there are examples in user space) in the past with slightly different names, I fear it goes beyond a simple hoax if you understand what I'm saying. ---- nonsenseferret02:02, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Without saying too much, there is a closely related page Jojar_S_Dhinsa which might have some sort of notability from mentions in the press, but I think should be looked at with a very careful eye as to whether it is appropriate to keep? Any thoughts? ---- nonsenseferret02:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi, wikipidia.
I’m a Jang Jae-sup, PR manger of Incruit. Co. LTd. which the Best Korea Job info Company.
And I saw the your warning message about site delete below.
This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.
Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page.
Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the Guide to deletion.%5B%5BWikipedia%3AArticles+for+deletion%2FIncruit%5D%5DAFD
We were embarrassed because we still serve much job information to Korean Job seeker,
And we having advanced to Global Job market with our Job Solution, named ‘Nae-il Search’.
Nae-in Search serve 50th country job info now. <link snipped>
We were delete the unused link and hope to maintain current Incruit page.
We always thanks your devotional activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.106.59.1 (talk) 09:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Because simply adding a "see also" link at the top of the section, with no commentary, shouldn't require a sig, IMHO. If disagreed with it can always be added back of course. - The BushrangerOne ping only18:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Of course it should, because it is a commentary. For any given dispute, there are often many places we could "see also," (article talk, user talk, etc). TPG good practice doesn't really list exceptions (except like refactoring indenting). NE Ent03:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Paid editing (and stamping out thereof)
Hi. Just thinking about your comments against paid editing as seen on a recent ANI thread, I've seen several paid editing related incidents this week, three of which have got tangled up with conversations on my talk page - RupertJanisch (talk·contribs), Nickaang (talk·contribs) and aceagencysydney (talk·contribs) - and none of which have had much success getting the articles they want through Wikipedia due to general lack of notability, with a side order of conflict of interest. You might say "serves them right for being greedy", but my concern is more protecting some person working in PR for some non-notable company who's been ordered on high to "do the Wikipedia page" as part of the job, when they haven't got a hope in hell of succeeding. Is it worth firing up WP:RFC/PAID again - I notice the last discussion was three and a half years ago, and time's moved on, and the practice (unless I'm just being more observant) becoming more prevalent. What options do we have? Ritchie333(talk)(cont)20:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Honestly, I'm not sure the RFC would be worth it - there's well-entrenched, and well-argued to be fair, positions on both sides of the issue, and while logic suggests that paid editing is always a conflict of interest (at least to me!), any attempt to 'deal with it' will probably hit the same walls that block the adoption of Sign In To Edit, alas. - The BushrangerOne ping only20:47, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure its dreadfully bad wiki-etiquette to comment on someone else's conversation, so apologies for that. However, just wanted to agree 100 percent. For what it's worth the policies/guidelines seem a bit confused at the moment WP:COI seems to make it pretty clear if you have such a CoI then don't contribute, also Conflict_of_interest_editing_on_Wikipedia seems to indicate that as recently as last year Wales himself indicates a hard line should be taken against paid editing. However WP:NOPAY 'The act of accepting money or rewards for editing Wikipedia is not always problematic.' seems to totally undermine the general policy and this in particular I think makes it pretty hard to enforce clearly. I'm too new an editor to be proposing changes yet though :(. I feel like most editors are like the proverbial dutch boy with fingers in a dyke trying to hold back a flood of worthless and not notable business advertisements. Whichever was I look at it, it seems horrifying, maybe they should just accept that it will happen and start charging them vast sums of money for a special paid for entry - I guess that's the google search commercial model ;/ ---- nonsenseferret23:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
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