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Wow, I ask for clarification, and get a topic ban. --Kyohyi (talk) 17:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-22T17:33:00.000Z","author":"Kyohyi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:33:00.000Z-Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction","replies":["c-Acroterion-2015-10-22T17:39:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, you made a blatantly inappropriate edit with a misleading edit summary and you got topic-banned. Acroterion (talk) 17:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-22T17:39:00.000Z","author":"Acroterion","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Acroterion-2015-10-22T17:39:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Um, no. The terminology is right from the source, and the second sentence is unsourced. If this is your rationale then I will probably appeal this to AE. --Kyohyi (talk) 17:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-22T17:41:00.000Z","author":"Kyohyi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:41:00.000Z-Notice_that_you_are_now_subject_to_an_arbitration_enforcement_sanction","replies":["c-Acroterion-2015-10-22T17:49:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Your exercise in "tightening up" a BLP doesn't require making the concise summary an exercise in prurient shaming in a BLP. You may wish to read WP:BLP again, especially the "exercise great caution" part. Acroterion (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-22T17:49:00.000Z","author":"Acroterion","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Acroterion-2015-10-22T17:49:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:58:00.000Z-Acroterion-2015-10-22T17:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

BLP also requires that we not use "conjectural interpretation of sources". This includes stating "positive coverage" instead of "reviews" --Kyohyi (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-22T17:58:00.000Z","author":"Kyohyi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:58:00.000Z-Acroterion-2015-10-22T17:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Brustopher-2015-10-22T18:07:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Acroterion: Can you email me what you redacted? If it's what I suspect it is, then it's not actually a BLP violation (what I think it is has been in the Gamergate controversy article for months). Brustopher (talk) 18:07, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-22T18:07:00.000Z","author":"Brustopher","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Brustopher-2015-10-22T18:07:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2015-10-22T17:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Brustopher-2015-10-22T18:22:00.000Z-Brustopher-2015-10-22T18:07:00.000Z","c-Acroterion-2015-10-22T22:54:00.000Z-Brustopher-2015-10-22T18:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well it wasn't what I expected... But yeah there is absolutely no justification for a topic ban here. Kyohyi inserted no defamatory information. The worst he can be accused of is using tasteless language, but it's the exact same tasteless language the source uses. Even the revdel seems unnecessary. Kyohyi does good work keeping a lot of Manosphere/Gamergate related topics BLP policy compliant, and it would definitely be a net negative to take them away from the topic area. Please reconsider. Brustopher (talk) 18:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-22T18:22:00.000Z","author":"Brustopher","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Brustopher-2015-10-22T18:22:00.000Z-Brustopher-2015-10-22T18:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Look, if "[you are] unable to edit and check sources to what [you] see as a sufficient standard", as your user page says, stay out of BLPs. I didn't know Acroterion topic banned you from GamerGate, and while this series of reverts doesn't rise to the level of an infraction, it doesn't reflect well on you. I moved the note to the main text, hoping that that will appease you a bit, but as Dumuzid said, it provides relevant context. Moreover, your edit summary was at least partly (if not mostly or wholly) incorrect: this is not an opinion piece. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-06T16:29:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2017-12-06T16:29:00.000Z-Zo\u00eb_Quinn","replies":["c-Kyohyi-2017-12-06T16:34:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-12-06T16:29:00.000Z","c-Kyohyi-2017-12-06T17:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-12-06T16:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm not interested in a pissing match with you DrMies. The article is a book review, reviews by their nature are opinions, that's what makes it an opinion piece. Further, I'm rejecting that Ars technica is a reliable source on a persons emotional state, the writer nor the publication have the expertise to make that judgement call. BLP applies to Eron Gjoni just as much as any other living person. --Kyohyi (talk) 16:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-06T16:34:00.000Z","author":"Kyohyi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kyohyi-2017-12-06T16:34:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-12-06T16:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You know what? Acroterion please come and evaluate this situation. If I'm really in the wrong on this please, and I'm serious on this, please topic ban me from BLP's, and Gamergate. I'm just utterly flabbergasted that a book review is considered a reliable source about someone being scorned, further that this can get stated in Wikipedia's voice. Here are the recent changes to date: [[1]],[[2]], [[3]], [[4]], [[5]], [[6]], [[7]], [we had to stop it with the tools we had at the time21] --Kyohyi (talk) 17:02, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-06T17:02:00.000Z","author":"Kyohyi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kyohyi-2017-12-06T17:02:00.000Z-Drmies-2017-12-06T16:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Acroterion-2017-12-07T02:11:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2017-12-06T17:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm not going to offer an opinion on the reverts except to note that Kyohyi's concerns about BLP seem misplaced - the article's not the unambiguous mess/troll magnet that it was two years ago. The only issue at hand is sourcing, and that's subject to consensus. The topic ban is ancient history as far as I'm concerned - it came at a time when we had fewer tools to deal with a tide of salacious speculation/accusation, and at its height in the fall of 2015 we had to stop it with the tools we had at the time. Nowadays, as a direct result of GamerGate we don't have to employ so many blunt instruments like topic bans, and we are in general more proactive about trouble spots. Kyohyi's topic ban came as a result of what appeared to be a misplaced sense of concern (I had to go back and look at events from that time) that ended up restoring speculation about people's private lives. Nothing in the current discussion rises to that level, nor is there ongoing disruption. Acroterion (talk) 02:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-07T02:11:00.000Z","author":"Acroterion","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Acroterion-2017-12-07T02:11:00.000Z-Kyohyi-2017-12-06T17:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I was policing BLP before there was even a policy. It is not a violation to note the parallels between Carlson's rhetoric and white supremacist talking points, when that parallel has been drawn on national TV - especially in the context of a previous writer for Carlson having been fired for being a white supremacist. Guy (help! - typo?) 20:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-12T20:30:00.000Z","author":"JzG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JzG-2021-04-12T20:30:00.000Z-Nope","replies":["c-Kyohyi-2021-04-12T20:39:00.000Z-JzG-2021-04-12T20:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Guy"}}-->

Your original research is noted. However it's not appropriate on Wikipedia. --Kyohyi (talk) 20:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-12T20:39:00.000Z","author":"Kyohyi","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kyohyi-2021-04-12T20:39:00.000Z-JzG-2021-04-12T20:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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