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Didn't see that coming! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025091700","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241025091700-Huh...","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20241025092200-DoubleGrazing-20241025091700"]}}-->

@DoubleGrazing, I didn't spot it at first as the general junk and SHOUTING was a distraction. What a waste of our time :/ KylieTastic (talk) 09:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025092200","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20241025092200-DoubleGrazing-20241025091700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello :)

I am just learning about wiki editing as am working on correcting the 4hero article. The photo is of Marc Mac and mc MG, not 4hero, I have uploaded images into the wikimedia commons and will upload more as soon as i can.

The real image of Marc Mac and Dego is this one:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Electronic_music_produders_4hero,_producers_Mark_%22Marc_Mac%22_Clair_%26_Denis_%22Dego%22_McFarlane.png

That other image is causing problems as used everywhere but is not a photo fo Dego.

Is it possible for you to help me submit this photo instead for their article?

I see all of my photos were deleted from this article. I&I22 (talk) 10:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025105700","author":"I&I22","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-I&I22-20241025105700-Correcting_4hero_photo","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20241025111800-I&I22-20241025105700"]}}-->

Hi I&I22, I have requested over on commons the image File:Marc mac and Dego - 4HERO.jpg is renamed to remove Dego. I've also updated the 4hero image description. However File:Electronic music produders 4hero, producers Mark "Marc Mac" Clair & Denis "Dego" McFarlane.png has not got any valid license so it flagged for deletion unless you can provide proof that Marc Mac released the image and they had the rights to do that anyway as many images of artists do not belong to them. KylieTastic (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025111800","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20241025111800-I&I22-20241025105700","replies":["c-I&I22-20241025112900-KylieTastic-20241025111800","c-I&I22-20241025113800-KylieTastic-20241025111800"]}}-->

Great i will follow up thank you! the photo that is listed there as "Marc Mac and Dego" is also not only incorrectly identifyied portraits but also incorrectly attributed with photographer credits. I&I22 (talk) 11:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025112900","author":"I&I22","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-I&I22-20241025112900-KylieTastic-20241025111800","replies":["c-I&I22-20241025112900-I&I22-20241025112900"]}}-->

gah typos! but am sure you undestand my general gist > . < I&I22 (talk) 11:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025112900","author":"I&I22","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-I&I22-20241025112900-I&I22-20241025112900","replies":[]}}-->

Is it possible to update that photo on their site to say "Marc Mac from 4hero and mc MG" as this is the correct description. I&I22 (talk) 11:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025113800","author":"I&I22","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-I&I22-20241025113800-KylieTastic-20241025111800","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20241025114500-I&I22-20241025113800"]}}-->

It would be if it was provable, we cannot accept people just saying something is true. I only managed to verify that they have performed together, I could not find a video or image to match that image to be sure. I'm sure the person who originally named it as Dego also thought they were correct. I concluded you were probably correct but not enough to be sure. It does not help that they are looking down and have an obscured face. What would be best if artists just released some images under CC-BY etc, but it's very rare. Copyright and licensing is a real pain. KylieTastic (talk) 11:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241025114500","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20241025114500-I&I22-20241025113800","replies":["c-I&I22-20241029143900-KylieTastic-20241025114500"]}}-->

hello again, you mean that you cannot find a photo in Wikimedia commons that verifies that the photo listed is of Marc Mac & mc MG? There are tons of photos from 4hero's photostream albums of that same dj session with Marc Mac and mc MG. They often performed together. It was Marc Mac who told me directly that it was mc MG in the photo. Dego looks very different and is taller than Marc Mac, even that dark photo it is obvious if one knows what mc MG & Dego look like. It will all get sorted out eventually! Marc Mac has sent me photos and will upload them properly so there are more copyright free photos to choose from . For sure, I work in arts and culture as a professional artist, so well appreciate that image making copyright can be tricky to navigate. Although tbh still not enough protection for artists who create the original images and also it's so odd having your likeness available and not being able to control it, even though it's a photo of you! Thanks so much for your help & inputs :) I&I22 (talk) 14:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029143900","author":"I&I22","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-I&I22-20241029143900-KylieTastic-20241025114500","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! Hope you're doing well.

A day after you declined the draft, it was created in article mainspace with very similar content. I'm not exactly sure what would be the best procedure; do you have any thoughts? Cheers. LR.127 (talk) 02:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027024200","author":"LR.127","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LR.127-20241027024200-Draft:Black_Insurrectionist_has_been_created_anyway.","replies":["c-Alpha3031-20241027032100-LR.127-20241027024200","c-KylieTastic-20241027093900-LR.127-20241027024200"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) LR.127, technically AFC is not mandatory and there are no other substantial contributors to that draft so there's no copyright issue, but you can always nominate it for deletion (after standard WP:BEFORE) if you believe that it is not notable. Otherwise, if you're not confident one way or another you can tag it for whatever issues you think there are, and someone else from NPP will probably get to it eventually. Alpha3031 (t • c) 03:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027032100","author":"Alpha3031","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alpha3031-20241027032100-LR.127-20241027024200","replies":[]}}-->

LR.127, yes basically as Alpha3031 said. Do note that although at the point they did a copy-paste-move the draft and main-space articles were the same when I declined it was a single sentence and a single source. Unless a user is mandated to use AfC, if they choose this route deal with it as you would any article created in main-space: edit, tag and flag for deletion if appropriate. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 09:39, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027093900","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20241027093900-LR.127-20241027024200","replies":[]}}-->

Hey KylieTastic,

This is my first wikipedia experience. Clearly I'm really bad at it. I am hping that my latest update will pass the test. If not, please help. Eve is certainly a notable person in flim, tv, casting, for her enitre career. Here's the link to the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eve_Brandstein - I appreciate your support. Thank you, WikiStarBlue WikiStarBlue (talk) 03:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027033700","author":"WikiStarBlue","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WikiStarBlue-20241027033700-Hi_KylieTastic_-_Page_Eve_Brandstein","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20241027094800-WikiStarBlue-20241027033700"]}}-->

@WikiStarBlue, writing a new article from scratch is considered by many as the hardest way to start editing so don't worry about having issues. Wikipedia has a lot of policies and guidelines but the key one to understand is WP:Notabilty. Basically all new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS) - Also see WP:DIRECTOR. So you need to find 3+ good sources with significant coverage to show she is notable. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 09:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027094800","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20241027094800-WikiStarBlue-20241027033700","replies":[]}}-->

Is it showing up on sandboxes for you? It is only showing on articles in draft space for me. Shadow311 (talk) 22:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029224600","author":"Shadow311","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shadow311-20241029224600-Question_regarding_AFC_Helper_script.","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20241029230000-Shadow311-20241029224600"]}}-->

@Shadow311, yes - my last review was one. KylieTastic (talk) 23:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029230000","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20241029230000-Shadow311-20241029224600","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, KylieTastic. This page is being developed. Would you be able to rescind your rejection please? Ingenierofilantropo (talk) 21:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030213100","author":"Ingenierofilantropo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ingenierofilantropo-20241030213100-Draft:_Matthew_Duran","replies":["c-KylieTastic-20241030213600-Ingenierofilantropo-20241030213100"]}}-->

@Ingenierofilantropo It's not rejected, just declined. You can improve and resubmit. All new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS). So at the moment not even close to showing notability and most claims unsourced. KylieTastic (talk) 21:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030213600","author":"KylieTastic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KylieTastic-20241030213600-Ingenierofilantropo-20241030213100","replies":["c-Ingenierofilantropo-20241030213700-KylieTastic-20241030213600"]}}-->

Understood. Thank you so much! Ingenierofilantropo (talk) 21:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030213700","author":"Ingenierofilantropo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ingenierofilantropo-20241030213700-KylieTastic-20241030213600","replies":[]}}-->