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Zachman Framework - small rewrite - please consider notability and NPOV tags

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Hello,

I made an attempt to remove some of the POV problems with the article on the Zachman framework and added references to establish notability. I don't believe the article is perfect, by any stretch, but I do think we can meet the bar for Notability. I hope that I have met the bar for NPOV, but that is always difficult for a practitioner of the field that John Zachman essentially invented.

That said, I looked in the history to find the person who most likely placed the NPOV and Notability tags onto the article. That appears to be you. Can you review the article now? I'm hopeful that we have crossed the bar to remove those tags.

I am no expert in Wikipedia, so if you have suggestions for further improvements to the page, I'm all ears. Your guidance and insight would be invaluable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickmalik (talkcontribs) 02:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-01T02:37:00.000Z","author":"Nickmalik","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nickmalik-2008-03-01T02:37:00.000Z-Zachman_Framework_-_small_rewrite_-_please_consider_notability_and_NPOV_tags","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-01T16:26:00.000Z-Nickmalik-2008-03-01T02:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

I appreciate the help and the notification. I'll take a look and comment there. Thanks again! --Ronz (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-01T16:26:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-01T16:26:00.000Z-Nickmalik-2008-03-01T02:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ronz: Additional references have been added to the Zachman Framework article. I can't see any remaining statements that might need any more. Could you have a look at it and let us know if you spot anything? If it looks OK now, could the tag be removed? Thanks --Phogg2 (talk) 16:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-05T16:09:00.000Z","author":"Phogg2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Phogg2-2008-03-05T16:09:00.000Z-Zachman_Framework_-_small_rewrite_-_please_consider_notability_and_NPOV_tags","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-05T16:11:00.000Z-Phogg2-2008-03-05T16:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll take a look. Thanks for the good work there! --Ronz (talk) 16:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-05T16:11:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-05T16:11:00.000Z-Phogg2-2008-03-05T16:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Newmatilda.com page

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Hi Ronz

I've just checked the page I created: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Matilda

There are a number of issues with referencing and image copyright which need to be resolved.

The image in question is our company logo. We own this image and the copyright but I'm unable to insert the copyright tag. I've followed the guidelines but I'm still unable to re-upload.

I'm unclear on the problem with the referencing of details on the page and the links I have chosen. I have endeavored to link to other wiki pages wherever possible however there are some pages (particularly for our contributors who do not have wiki pages) which link to the newmatilda.com site. Can you suggets a way around this as we would like to include these details of contributors on the page.

Thanks in advance, I appreciate the time and effort made in improving our wiki page.

Regards Rod McGuinness newmatilda.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newmatilda (talkcontribs) 23:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-02T23:36:00.000Z","author":"Newmatilda","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newmatilda-2008-03-02T23:36:00.000Z-Newmatilda.com_page","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-03T17:37:00.000Z-Newmatilda-2008-03-02T23:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've avoided getting involved in image copyright problems, and am unfamiliar with the relevant policies and guidelines. Best I can do is find a way to get help from someone that understands the issues.
I haven't looked at the article in some time. I'll take a look and see what I can do to help. --Ronz (talk) 17:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-03T17:37:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-03T17:37:00.000Z-Newmatilda-2008-03-02T23:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Enterprise architecture

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Hi Ronz, This page is heating up again, and there are some edits by new people who may not be used to our system. One, User talk:Mkernatmkerndotcom, already managed to get himself blocked for vandalism. This man appears to be an expert in the EA field, though he didn't make a very graceful entrance. I won't be able to catch up with that page for a while, but I hope we can try to harness the energies of the new people, since the article needs better information. If it gets extremely confusing we could try full protection until people start using the Talk page, but I hope that won't be necessary. If you see funny stuff happening there I'd suggest we not immediately worrying about spam issues; give them a little time. It's possible we could open up a new COIN item if a centralized discussion is needed. EdJohnston (talk) 01:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-03T01:51:00.000Z","author":"EdJohnston","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdJohnston-2008-03-03T01:51:00.000Z-Enterprise_architecture","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-03T17:38:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2008-03-03T01:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good advise. I'll stay away from the article and just try to help with the discussions and COIN. --Ronz (talk) 17:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-03T17:38:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-03T17:38:00.000Z-EdJohnston-2008-03-03T01:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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ANI

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Obligatory notification: ANI Pete St.John (talk) 19:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-06T19:42:00.000Z","author":"PeterStJohn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PeterStJohn-2008-03-06T19:42:00.000Z-ANI","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-06T19:43:00.000Z-PeterStJohn-2008-03-06T19:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Pete St.John"}}-->

LOL! Into the briar patch I go again! --Ronz (talk) 19:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-06T19:43:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-06T19:43:00.000Z-PeterStJohn-2008-03-06T19:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Spot vs Editor5435

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Hi Ronz thanks for helping me with Editor5435. I would appreciate it though if you would take off the kid gloves. Note how he put an attack on me at the top of this page: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TruDef. Note the basis for my accusation of fraud: [1] (ditto here: [2]). Finally consider the stock activity: [3] that corresponds to the beginning of Editor5435/Technodo's editing of the page. Spot (talk) 07:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-07T07:39:00.000Z","author":"Spot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spot-2008-03-07T07:39:00.000Z-Spot_vs_Editor5435","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-07T16:52:00.000Z-Spot-2008-03-07T07:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

I started a report here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editor5435_.26_Spot. I'm extremely busy and may not have time to do anything further with this today. --Ronz (talk) 16:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-07T16:52:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-07T16:52:00.000Z-Spot-2008-03-07T07:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Editor5435-2008-03-08T19:36:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-07T16:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
I would like to defend myself against the insinuations Spot has made against me. The company (TMMI) issued a press release in December, 2007 and another in January, 2008 about its fractal compression development activities which coincided with a minor rise in its stock price. I was unaware of any renewed development in fractal compression until 2 weeks after the last announcement when I realized the Wiki article was out of date and inaccurate. I made my first contribution 23:39, 26 January 2008 under my old under name Technodo. My browser lost its cache and I couldn't remember my password so 3 days later I created a new account Editor5435. I have not logged in as Technodo since 05:04, 15 February 2008. Also, I have been accused of page blanking after I attempted to remove a page I created myself that everyone is screaming for its removal. As for Spot's continued harassment over (TMMI) on the fractal compression talk board I would like to point out the article has no mention of TMMI or TruDef, so its a pointless off topic discussion.--Editor5435 (talk) 19:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-08T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Editor5435","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Editor5435-2008-03-08T19:36:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-07T16:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Spot is still harassing me in my own talk page over off topic comments and accusations about TMMI. I have asked him on numerous occasions to stop. TMMI is not mentioned anywhere in fractal compression. What can be done about his annoying persistence in harassing me?--Editor5435 (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-08T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Editor5435","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Editor5435-2008-03-08T19:59:00.000Z-Spot_vs_Editor5435","replies":["c-Spot-2008-03-08T21:55:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-08T19:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's not harassment for me to defend myself against your attacks. If you don't want me to talk on your page, then don't talk about me. Furthermore you have only once, today, asked me to stop. I have only edited your talk page twice. Spot (talk) 21:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-08T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Spot","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Spot-2008-03-08T21:55:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-08T19:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Editor5435-2008-03-08T22:21:00.000Z-Spot-2008-03-08T21:55:00.000Z"]}}-->
I am only defending myself against your ongoing libelous attacks against me. The fact I have discovered your frequent abuse and violations of Wikipedia's COI and NPOV, not to mention notability issues is a separate matter which I have reported to Wikipedia administrators. I have asked you on numerous times to stop your harassment on the fractal compression discussion board, you have since expanding your level of harassment to include my personal talk page. You persist with this nonsense about TMMI, a subject that is not even mentioned in the article about fractal compression. Your ulterior motives are transparent.--Editor5435 (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-08T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Editor5435","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Editor5435-2008-03-08T22:21:00.000Z-Spot-2008-03-08T21:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Spot-2008-03-09T16:46:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-08T22:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
What have I said about you that's libelous? Spot (talk) 16:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-09T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Spot","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Spot-2008-03-09T16:46:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-08T22:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-09T16:48:00.000Z-Spot-2008-03-09T16:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
Please take this discussion to one of your talk pages, or the ANI. --Ronz (talk) 16:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-09T16:48:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-09T16:48:00.000Z-Spot-2008-03-09T16:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Vertebral Stapling

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Hi- I added some info regarding vertebral stapling & you removed it for advertising?? It is a medical procedure performed at hospitals - becoming much more widely available. Please see the link to Boston Children's Hospital http://www.childrenshospital.org/clinicalservices/Site1171/mainpageS1171P4sublevel10Flevel17.html

Plus I added several research articles regarding the procedure. I am not advertising it! It is a proven medical procedure which is saving many children from wearing a back brace 23/7 for many years and often inevitible fusion.

Please allow some info regarding this treatment option on the scoliosis page - it is not experimental or chiro like spinecor or scroth. If you have a personal issue with vbs, please learn more.

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Have you read the notes on your talk page yet? Your username matching a promotional website is enough to create great concerns about your edits in light of WP:COI, WP:SPAM, WP:SOAP, etc. Let's get these concerns resolved first. --Ronz (talk) 18:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:06:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:06:00.000Z-Vertebralstapling-2008-03-09T20:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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"Fuzzy control" resource

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I'm puzzled that in this edit you removed a link to download a "further reading" resource as spam. How is that spam? Shouldn't we make it easier, not harder, for the user to access such resources? I agree that the link wasn't inserted very well and it needed to be changed to fit in better, but it didn't need to be deleted entirely. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-09T23:56:00.000Z","author":"Furrykef","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Furrykef-2008-03-09T23:56:00.000Z-\"Fuzzy_control\"_resource","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-10T03:09:00.000Z-Furrykef-2008-03-09T23:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

See User_talk:24.208.184.79. My concern is that 24.208.184.79 appears to be editing solely to promote Kevin M. Passino. If you think the book is good further reading material, then a link to the actual book itself (that indicates it's a 500+ page pdf) would be useful. --Ronz (talk) 03:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T03:09:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-10T03:09:00.000Z-Furrykef-2008-03-09T23:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Scoliosis

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Hi- I am wondering why you removed all of the info which was added to inform people about Vertebral Stapling. This is a surgical procedure performed by leading orthopedic surgeons in the United States. Please explain why you won't allow this content to be included. Are you a chiropractor?

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Ron report this to the spam project.
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carawinslow, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - Content that does not belong in an encyclopedia is excluded.. Wikipedia is NOT a "repository of links" or a "vehicle for advertising" . Equally Wikipedia is not a place to to promote your site--Hu12 (talk) 18:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:08:00.000Z","author":"Hu12","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hu12-2008-03-10T18:08:00.000Z-Scoliosis","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:12:00.000Z-Hu12-2008-03-10T18:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Carawinslow is the second editor to add this information with an obvious WP:COI. I've moved the information to the article talk page for discussion.
I'll write a spam report. --Ronz (talk) 18:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:12:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:12:00.000Z-Hu12-2008-03-10T18:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

How can I possible have a vested interest in a surgery which is performed at hospitals (including Shriners - which is non-profit)? The reason Dr. Betz is mentioned several times is because he pioneered the surgery over 5 years ago, and is the surgeon who is training other orthopedic surgeons in the procedure. He gives credence to it being a viable option for patients with scoliosis. He is the Chief of Staff at Shriners Hospital in Philadelphia - a NON-Profit hospital. I DO not have any vested interest, other than trying to raise awareness for a relatively new surgery which may save children years of wearing a back brace. The articles I supplied are from medical journals - not opinions. I completely understand if this info needs to be reviewed before it is posted - but please do not accuse me of having an obvious WP:COI when this is not the case at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carawinslow (talkcontribs) 18:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:21:00.000Z","author":"Carawinslow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carawinslow-2008-03-10T18:21:00.000Z-Scoliosis","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:24:00.000Z-Carawinslow-2008-03-10T18:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

If you're denying that you're Cara Winslow, then I'll ask for further help in investigating my concerns. Otherwise, I'll stick by my claim that it is obvious. --Ronz (talk) 18:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:24:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:24:00.000Z-Carawinslow-2008-03-10T18:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am not denying who I am - but how do I have a vested interest?Carawinslow (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Carawinslow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carawinslow-2008-03-10T18:31:00.000Z-Scoliosis","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:34:00.000Z-Carawinslow-2008-03-10T18:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please read WP:COI, WP:SPAM, and WP:SOAP. --Ronz (talk) 18:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:34:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:34:00.000Z-Carawinslow-2008-03-10T18:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Hu12-2008-03-10T18:37:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
vertebralstapling.com "Copyright 2008. Amanda Pompa, Maria Follenius and Cara Winslow. All rights reserved."..External links policy on Advertising and conflicts of interest states You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent. Unfortunately your conflict of interest editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote vertebralstapling.com ..--Hu12 (talk) 18:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:37:00.000Z","author":"Hu12","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Hu12-2008-03-10T18:37:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-10T18:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Well, I certainly did not mean to promote it, it is only meant as a support for people who are interested in learning about vertebral stapling. I really would appreciate your consideration of including some information about vertebral stapling as an option to the treatment of scoliosis. I do not profit from this in ANY way - I am just trying to get info out to people who are struggling with a diagnosis of scoliosis for their child. This is a fairly new procedure and it is hard for parents to learn about it.Carawinslow (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T18:45:00.000Z","author":"Carawinslow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carawinslow-2008-03-10T18:45:00.000Z-Scoliosis","replies":[]}}-->

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Spot

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Ronz, its inappropriate for you to include someone's personal nickname in the "Other meanings" list in the Wiki article about the word "Spot". The entry is not notable in the context of the article. It is by no means a common meaning for the English word "Spot".--Editor5435 (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-11T18:25:00.000Z","author":"Editor5435","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Editor5435-2008-03-11T18:25:00.000Z-Spot","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-11T18:36:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-11T18:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I understand you're frustrated with your experiences with Wikipedia. I suggest you find other articles to work on, articles where you have no conflicts with the editors. --Ronz (talk) 18:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-11T18:36:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-11T18:36:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-11T18:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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TMMI

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The link is NOT spam, its relevant to the article on Philip Taylor Kramer, stop with letting personal influences effect your editing activities.--Editor5435 (talk) 05:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-12T05:08:00.000Z","author":"Editor5435","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Editor5435-2008-03-12T05:08:00.000Z-TMMI","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-12T05:12:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-12T05:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

"stop with letting personal influences effect your editing activities" Follow your own advise. You're likely to be blocked again if you don't. How many times have you added that link to articles now? I don't believe any of them met WP:EL. Overall, it looks like WP:SPAM when you repeatedly add the same link to multiple articles against WP:EL. --Ronz (talk) 05:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-12T05:12:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-12T05:12:00.000Z-Editor5435-2008-03-12T05:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Editor5435-2008-03-12T05:18:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-12T05:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
The link is entirely meets the requirements of WP:EL since its relevant to Philip Taylor Kramer, his company, his life's work. You sure have a double standard allowing Spot to shameless promote his own personal web sites yet you delete links that are relevant in other articles. How can you possibly say TMMI link isn't relevant to Philip Taylor Kramer? Do you have the slightest idea of the subject matter or just go around butchering articles you have absolutely zero understanding of? I don't understand what's going on here.--Editor5435 (talk) 05:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-12T05:18:00.000Z","author":"Editor5435","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Editor5435-2008-03-12T05:18:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-12T05:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Editor5435 & Spot ANI

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Hi Ronz, the incident report you originally made about Editor5435 scrolled off the top of the page. I saved it here as per the instructions at the top of the page. Do you know if this is somewhere admins will continue to find it? Spot (talk) 09:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-13T09:42:00.000Z","author":"Spot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spot-2008-03-13T09:42:00.000Z-Editor5435_&_Spot_ANI","replies":[]}}-->

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PowerBeam

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Ronz,

What's the deal? I would like to know the reasoning behind removing our blurb about our technology from the Wireless Energy Transfer page. My understanding is that this is a fact based system. And the fact is we have developed a way to transmit electricity safely using lasers and no one else is doing this but us. The public has a right to know that this is being done and that such technology exist.

I want you to know that the reason I posted this particular paragraph that you removed on March 2nd was because Popular Science had written in article about wireless electricity in their February edition and when I contacted the reporter to ask why we were left out, her answer was "oh wow, I didn't even know you guys existed. When I searched wikipedia as a reference check you didn't come up." This was even more to my surprise as our inventor told me he made a post months prior that was no longer there.

If there is a issue with the wording or manner in which the paragraph is written or presented, then reply to this message and we can talk about how you feel such information should be presented.

If you removed because you are working for a competitor then we have issues! —Preceding unsigned comment added by PowerBeam (talkcontribs) 19:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-14T19:25:00.000Z","author":"PowerBeam","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PowerBeam-2008-03-14T19:25:00.000Z-PowerBeam","replies":[]}}-->

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Potential rewrite of WP:SELFPUB

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After repeatedly questioning PSWG1920 (talk · contribs) as to why s/he wants to rewrite WP:SELFPUB to allow more liberal use of self-published sources without receiving a response, I decided to look in edit history. That's where I found this discussion in which you participated, which provided what seems to be the answer. In light of this, I thought you might be interested in discussing the potential rewrite of this core policy. Dlabtot (talk) 21:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-18T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Dlabtot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dlabtot-2008-03-18T21:18:00.000Z-Potential_rewrite_of_WP:SELFPUB","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-19T05:33:00.000Z-Dlabtot-2008-03-18T21:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks. I'll probably be unable to contribute. FYI: the username "PSWG1920" refers to Perfect Sight Without Glasses. --Ronz (talk) 05:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-19T05:33:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-19T05:33:00.000Z-Dlabtot-2008-03-18T21:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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Hi, it's been awhile, we moved finally so take note of my new email address since it has changed and my computer is finally up and set up with everything.

Anyways, you know alot about spam and advertisements that shouldn't be allowed so I would like your opinion when you have time about this one at the IBS article. [4] I would appreciate it if you would take a look and give me your opinion, of course when you have the time. I would like to know if this is allowed or not because spam and advertisements I still haven't gotten a good handle on knowing what is acceptable and what is not except of course the very obvious. I hope you are well, --CrohnieGalTalk 21:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC) PS: Wrote this in a rush and didn't spell check, etc., sorry for any mistakes. :)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-21T21:40:00.000Z","author":"Crohnie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Crohnie-2008-03-21T21:40:00.000Z-A_request_about_a_link_...","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-22T05:19:00.000Z-Crohnie-2008-03-21T21:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"CrohnieGal"}}-->

Good catch. I'm hesitant to allow links to home pages unless it's very strongly related to the topic of the article, or provides information directly related to the article. In this case, the editor who added it has a WP:COI given that he works for Vivid London Limited, which lists theguttrust.org as a client and whose name appears on the home page of theguttrust.org. I hope he hasn't added more such links elsewhere. --Ronz (talk) 05:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-22T05:19:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-22T05:19:00.000Z-Crohnie-2008-03-21T21:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-71.227.150.109-2008-03-22T15:49:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-22T05:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
FYI: I saw your comments, so I took a look. After comparing Vivid London's list of clients to edits by Neil Evans (talk · contribs), I spotted a series of other WP:COI issues ... adding a link for Herbie Frogg, making a series of edits to the Totte Mannes article, adding Vivid London to the Vivid DAB. --71.227.150.109 (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-22T15:49:00.000Z","author":"71.227.150.109","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-71.227.150.109-2008-03-22T15:49:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-22T05:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-22T16:11:00.000Z-71.227.150.109-2008-03-22T15:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
I was afraid that would be the case. This should be taken to WP:COIN. --Ronz (talk) 16:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-22T16:11:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-22T16:11:00.000Z-71.227.150.109-2008-03-22T15:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Crohnie-2008-03-23T15:05:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-22T16:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thanks for the help, I would never of caught all of the rest of it. How did you find all the other locations that were added? How did you know this editor worked for Vived London Limited, is it on his user page? I didn't got to his page or contributions or anything, I just deleted it from the article. --CrohnieGalTalk 15:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-23T15:05:00.000Z","author":"Crohnie","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Crohnie-2008-03-23T15:05:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-22T16:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-23T16:29:00.000Z-Crohnie-2008-03-23T15:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"CrohnieGal"}}-->
He mentions and links Vivid London Limited on his user page. --Ronz (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-23T16:29:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-23T16:29:00.000Z-Crohnie-2008-03-23T15:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Neil_Evans-2008-04-09T15:25:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-23T16:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
The information on Totte Mannes is on the official artists website, the link on the Jermyn Street page is totally legitimate (please check www.streetsensation.co.uk and you'll see the store in question on the street twice!) and as for the IBS page, I though the link to the UK national charity would be useful. I thought the whole purpose of Wikipedia was to add collective knowledge together, it seems strange that depending on how you acquire your collective knowledge that it can suddenly be deleted on a whim by one or two users who deem it COI. Neil Evans (talk) 15:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-09T15:25:00.000Z","author":"Neil Evans","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Neil_Evans-2008-04-09T15:25:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-03-23T16:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-04-10T03:57:00.000Z-Neil_Evans-2008-04-09T15:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
Follow WP:COI and you'll be fine. --Ronz (talk) 03:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-10T03:57:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-04-10T03:57:00.000Z-Neil_Evans-2008-04-09T15:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Neil_Evans-2008-04-10T11:13:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-04-10T03:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
With respect, I thought I was, I declared my interest (hence my detailed userpage) and I have attempted to edit articles in a way that is non-promotional but in a way that adds recognised facts. I have read through WP:COI and will attempt to ensure that further edits reach a happy medium between the adding information and ensuring that items are never promotional. I would like you to reconsider some of your revisions though. Neil Evans (talk) 11:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-10T11:13:00.000Z","author":"Neil Evans","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Neil_Evans-2008-04-10T11:13:00.000Z-Ronz-2008-04-10T03:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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RFC/U

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There is currently a RfC going on that you might be interested in. -Jéské (v^_^v Detarder) 01:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-28T01:26:00.000Z","author":"J\u00e9sk\u00e9 Couriano","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J\u00e9sk\u00e9_Couriano-2008-03-28T01:26:00.000Z-RFC\/U","replies":[],"displayName":"J\u00e9sk\u00e9"}}-->

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Depression and natural therapies

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Hi. I notice you restored the pov tag on the above article, saying few of the issues have been addressed. Which issues do you feel haven't been addressed, apart from POVfork, which is an issue in its own right? I revised it to make it more NPOV, as I said on the talk page, and I can't see any particular probs with it at the moment; if there is a prob, I'd like to know so I can fix it.

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CMMI

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Hi Ronz, Why did you remove the reference to the official CMMI book, which is part of the SEI software engineering series, that I added to the CMMI article. CMMI was augmented to cover the acquisition of software, systems, and IT. The added references is the only official SEI book that covers this CMMI topic. I would appreciate if you'd add the reference back in. (Huberthofmann (talk) 10:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T10:20:00.000Z","author":"Huberthofmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Huberthofmann-2008-03-30T10:20:00.000Z-CMMI","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-03-30T17:12:00.000Z-Huberthofmann-2008-03-30T10:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

See your talk page, WP:SPAM and WP:COI. --Ronz (talk) 17:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-30T17:12:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-03-30T17:12:00.000Z-Huberthofmann-2008-03-30T10:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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WikiDraw

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If wikidraw is a web site to create mind maps or mental map of wiki content: why is not an external link valid in the article of mind maps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.232.131.147 (talk) 23:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-31T23:37:00.000Z","author":"24.232.131.147","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.232.131.147-2008-03-31T23:37:00.000Z-WikiDraw","replies":["c-Ronz-2008-04-02T05:14:00.000Z-24.232.131.147-2008-03-31T23:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

See WP:SPAM, WP:EL, WP:NOT#LINK, and WP:COI. --Ronz (talk) 05:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-02T05:14:00.000Z","author":"Ronz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ronz-2008-04-02T05:14:00.000Z-24.232.131.147-2008-03-31T23:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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