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Hello. I don't understand what did I do wrong on my last edit on Jaska Raatikainen. Can you give me an explication? Loyal to Metal (talk) 07:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101074200","author":"Loyal to Metal","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Loyal_to_Metal-20241101074200-Editing_trouble","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241101133300-Loyal_to_Metal-20241101074200"]}}-->

You added influences with no references. Binksternet (talk) 13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101133300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241101133300-Loyal_to_Metal-20241101074200","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, Could you please explain why you remove my edit? Rabbitsforever (talk) 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241102192800","author":"Rabbitsforever","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rabbitsforever-20241102192800-Greenwood","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! I noticed that you reverted my edits for the wiki page of Kathryn Bernardo. I overhauled the whole page as there are too many unnecessary info and clutter. I also corrected a lot of grammatical errors which I think devalues the page.

If you will compare my edit from the previous one, it is a big improvement as it is more coherent and concise. I also added present vital info as there are a lot that has been missed. If I may, I will revert my edits on that page as it took me hours to finish it. Rest assured that no critical info has been removed. Thank you. Itslouagain (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104140200","author":"Itslouagain","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Itslouagain-20241104140200-KB_edit","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241104140500-Itslouagain-20241104140200"]}}-->

Whatever improvements you have planned for the biography, don't remove existing citations. The biography is supposed to be a summary of published material, and the citations represent that material. Binksternet (talk) 14:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104140500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241104140500-Itslouagain-20241104140200","replies":["c-Itslouagain-20241104140800-Binksternet-20241104140500","c-Itslouagain-20241104141100-Binksternet-20241104140500"]}}-->

I will restore the sources on the previous edit. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104140800","author":"Itslouagain","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Itslouagain-20241104140800-Binksternet-20241104140500","replies":[]}}-->

Can I revert back my edit and restore back the sources previously present? I want to avoid edit warring so I'll ask for your permission. Itslouagain (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104141100","author":"Itslouagain","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Itslouagain-20241104141100-Binksternet-20241104140500","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241104141300-Itslouagain-20241104141100"]}}-->

You can copy the article into your userspace and work on it there. Your userspace sandbox would be at User:Itslouagain/sandbox. Binksternet (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104141300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241104141300-Itslouagain-20241104141100","replies":["c-Itslouagain-20241104145300-Binksternet-20241104141300"]}}-->

This is noted. All citations previously removed were restored. Page now grew to 77 references. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104145300","author":"Itslouagain","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Itslouagain-20241104145300-Binksternet-20241104141300","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241104150200-Itslouagain-20241104145300"]}}-->

Thanks for keeping so many of the previous citations. Binksternet (talk) 15:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104150200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241104150200-Itslouagain-20241104145300","replies":[]}}-->

Source 166.181.255.91 (talk) 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104232200","author":"166.181.255.91","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-166.181.255.91-20241104232200-Please_add_\"progressive_soul\"_back_to_the_Isley_Brothers_article","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241104232900-166.181.255.91-20241104232200"]}}-->

Yes, it's in the source you linked, but they say the group "dabbled" in it, which is not a wholehearted assertion of genre.

In any case, the genre "progressive soul" must be discussed in the article body before it can be listed in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104232900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241104232900-166.181.255.91-20241104232200","replies":["c-166.181.255.91-20241105001500-Binksternet-20241104232900","c-166.181.255.91-20241105001800-Binksternet-20241104232900"]}}-->

Then add it to the body. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105001500","author":"166.181.255.91","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-166.181.255.91-20241105001500-Binksternet-20241104232900","replies":[]}}-->

Robert Christgau also referred to the Isleys as a progressive soul group in the 1970s. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105001800","author":"166.181.255.91","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-166.181.255.91-20241105001800-Binksternet-20241104232900","replies":[]}}-->

Hello I saw you reversed my edits on the Wikipedia pages for Shane McRae and Bad Teacher crediting him for a minor role in the unrated version of the film. I assume this is because he’s not credited on IMDB so I didn’t provide a source, but I actually looked at his page again and saw this photo still of him from the film from the scene in the unrated version of the film. Is this enough source to add the film to his page and the credits section of the Bad Teacher page? 2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415 (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108150100","author":"2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415-20241108150100-Shane_McRae_edits","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241108223600-2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415-20241108150100"]}}-->

Wikipedia is supposed to be a summary of published facts. If the fact hasn't been published, it is not for Wikipedia. We are not here to figure out all the missed stuff and make sure it gets in. Binksternet (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108223600","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241108223600-2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415-20241108150100","replies":[]}}-->

I've undone your removal of the Beach Boys' cover from the "cover versions" section as they did do a cover of this song, on a top 10 charting album, and there are citations provided which confirm this. There was no good reason to remove this info. 2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9 (talk) 18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108181400","author":"2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9-20241108181400-You've_Got_To_Hide_Your_Love_Away","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241108223900-2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9-20241108181400"]}}-->

WP:SONGCOVER is the good reason. The cover version doesn't get a boost from being on a Top 10 album; it has to be judged on its own merit. At the bare minimum, the cover version should be described as extraordinary by the media. Any charting cover version is certainly included. Binksternet (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108223900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241108223900-2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9-20241108181400","replies":["c-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D-20241109053300-Binksternet-20241108223900"]}}-->

Maybe if we were talking about a less notable group, but it seems to me that the fact that specifically The Beach Boys - being the most successful American band (of the decade and possibly of all time) and specifically in 1965 at the peak of their popularity and much-ballyhooed rivalry with The Beatles - recorded and released a cover of a Beatles song on an album that went to #6 in the US and #3 in the UK is noteworthy enough to warrant a sentence's mention on the song's page. It feels like a glaring enough omission NOT to include it that while reading this page I went "oh wow why isn't that here? I'll be a diligent Wikipedia user and add it." But since that's not enough for you (and apparently you're the ultimate arbiter here?) it was also released as a single in Japan in 1966 [1] and here are two reviews which mention it as a standout track on the album [2] [3] and HERE are two Beatles(not Beach Boys)-centric websites which mention it outside of the context of the album [4] [5]. Can that be it please? 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D (talk) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109053300","author":"2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D-20241109053300-Binksternet-20241108223900","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241109163800-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D-20241109053300"]}}-->

I don't pretend to be the arbiter but I am quite active on Wikipedia, so my viewpoint gets more visibility.

The thing about the prominence of the Beach Boys is that, if their version of the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" wasn't mentioned by the media, then it was judged less important by the media. We would be giving it undue weight if we list it. The fact that the song was released as a single isn't good enough for WP:SONGCOVER. The single must have charted somewhere to be important. Binksternet (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109163800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241109163800-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D-20241109053300","replies":["c-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549-20241110010600-Binksternet-20241109163800"]}}-->

Their version of the song was mentioned by the media, in the examples I provided as well as others. Even if it is "less important" than the original song (an impossible metric for any cover of a Beatles song to top), that doesn't mean it doesn't merit a mention in the article. Nowhere in the song cover guidelines does it say that a cover version must have charted as a single to be considered noteworthy. I'll quote your response to the user above: "Wikipedia is supposed to be a summary of published facts." It is a published fact that The Beach Boys, an extremely notable band, released a cover version of this song, which was also released as a single and has been discussed, as I've now provided multiple links attesting to. Per the songcover guidelines, a cover should EITHER be "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc. is not sufficient" OR meet the requirements for a standalone page. I'm not trying to create a standalone page for this or act like it deserves one. But I am providing much more evidence than the examples listed in the guidelines as insufficient ("an album track listing or discography"). This satisfies the first of the two criteria listed, which in and of itself is sufficient to merit its inclusion in the article. It would not be giving it "undue weight" but an entirely appropriate mention. In fact, I can go to many, many other musician's pages and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of less notable cover songs than this one being included, without issue. Since it bothers you so much and you've decided it's your prerogative, why haven't you gone and cleaned house on every other music page? You are pretending to be the arbiter here - the fact that you do this a lot doesn't mean that you're not doing it. You are being willfully obtuse and overly proscriptive in your own personal interpretation of these guidelines - to what end I can't imagine, unless it's to satisfy some personal bias. A cursory Google search of your username shows that you have quite a reputation as something of a Wikipedia bully, who uses the pretense of neutrality to inject your own personal bias into articles - and looking deeper into your edit history confirms this to be true. Given that, it's clear that there's no way I'm going to get you to do a 180 and admit that you're wrong here, and you'll just keep removing valid edits until people get fed up and leave - so that's what I'm doing, congratulations you win again. But I'll leave you with this: I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you didn't actually set out to codify your personal biases and beliefs in a space that's supposed to be a public resource of neutral information, and that you do in fact believe that you're acting in good faith in defense of said neutrality. Based on your edit history and your rightly-earned reputation, I would suggest that you might consider that you've lost sight of your (correct and ultimately noble) goal and have let your personal biases get in the way of doing what you clearly see as your job - to the detriment of Wikipedia and its reputation as a source of information. Nobody in the world is perfect, but you seem to have an entirely inflated and unhealthy sense of your own infallibility, which doesn't serve you (or anyone else) well. Just food for thought. 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549 (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241110010600","author":"2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549-20241110010600-Binksternet-20241109163800","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241111051000-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549-20241110010600"]}}-->

Sticking to what you did, your second edit which included two references was still a violation of WP:SONGCOVER. The Slowinski credit in the AV media citation doesn't refer to any prose analysis by Slowinski saying that this cover version was extraordinary in some manner. Instead, Slowinski and Boyd are credited as the researchers who figured out which song contained which musicians from which recording sessions. The songs are not praised or panned in a critical review, just listed in order as part of the album. That's not enough to get through the SONGCOVER requirement. Your second citation is an example of the song being performed live in concert, which again is not enough to increase its importance for Wikipedia to notice. Three things can convey importance: chart success, a major award nomination, or critical commentary in books, newspapers, magazines, etc.

Now about my actions: Wikipedia's original intent was to summarize a topic's most important points for the reader. It was never meant as a full and complete collection of every fact about a topic. Wikipedia's current policy continues with this idea: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not says that the online encyclopedia "does not aim to contain all the information, data or expression known on every subject." There are other websites trying to fill that gap, for instance secondhandsongs is attempting to list every song cover no matter how obscure. Wikipedia's refusal to include every fact is the spirit which drives my removal of the lesser known song covers from song articles. Binksternet (talk) 05:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111051000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241111051000-2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549-20241110010600","replies":[]}}-->

You're calling me out on “awful sourcing” and restored a version that uses a damn YouTube video as a source. Is this a joke? ThisIs00k (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111174500","author":"ThisIs00k","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThisIs00k-20241111174500-Willow_Smith","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241111174600-ThisIs00k-20241111174500"]}}-->

I got that one backwards. Sorry. Binksternet (talk) 17:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111174600","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241111174600-ThisIs00k-20241111174500","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there Binksternet, I came across some edits from the above User:ThisIs00k today and noticed that it felt very familiar to this LTA: WP:LTA/MJH. A bit of genre warring / changes going on, and a heavy focus on R&B music articles. I have already published an SPI report over here, but anyways would you agree with my findings that this is another likely sock of MariaJaydHicky? — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114011200","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20241114011200-Another_User:MariaJaydHicky_sock?","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241114023500-AP_499D25-20241114011200","c-This0k-20241114063700-AP_499D25-20241114011200"],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

Yes, someone's sock. It's also too close to the existing username User:This0k and should be blocked as a spoof. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114023500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241114023500-AP_499D25-20241114011200","replies":[]}}-->

That is not me. This0k (talk) 06:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114063700","author":"This0k","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-This0k-20241114063700-AP_499D25-20241114011200","replies":[]}}-->

I don't think "Nope nope nope" and "Rv image vandalis," are helpful edit summaries when reverting good faith edits, which is what these appear to be. Is there something I'm missing here? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114180600","author":"Qwerfjkl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qwerfjkl-20241114180600-Unhelpful_edit_summaries","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241114181100-Qwerfjkl-20241114180600"]}}-->

Loosen up. Those edit summaries were meant to alert longstanding editors that consensus was being violated. I'm not going to change my style for the few times I choose to sound the alarm. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114181100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241114181100-Qwerfjkl-20241114180600","replies":["c-Qwerfjkl-20241114182000-Binksternet-20241114181100"]}}-->

And why would longstanding editors need to be alerted? I'm just saying, a less bitey approach might have been better. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114182000","author":"Qwerfjkl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Qwerfjkl-20241114182000-Binksternet-20241114181100","replies":[]}}-->

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Hey. It's been a minute. I was pressed about this author by the name of Ian Hall and his books on One-Hit Wonders of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and whether or not he could be used as a source for the List of One-Hit Wonders in the United States wiki page. He is from Scotland and now lives with his wife in Topeka, Kansas. His book includes chart data from different countries, primarily building off of the Billboard Hot 100 in the states. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120221500","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20241120221500-Question_about_an_author_and_his_book","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241121024100-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20241120221500"]}}-->

The problem with his books is that they are self-published through CreateSpace. That means WP:USERG is the applicable guideline. The books are not considered a reliable source unless Ian Hall can be argued as a notable expert on music topics. Is he famous for music analysis or criticism? Binksternet (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121024100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241121024100-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20241120221500","replies":["c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20241121025000-Binksternet-20241121024100"]}}-->

I can't say he's famous from the looks of it. Even if he knows his stuff really well. I could be inaccurate on that though. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121025000","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20241121025000-Binksternet-20241121024100","replies":[]}}-->

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Could I contact you via e-mail over a Wikipedia editing matter concerning another editor, that I think should not be open for all to see, at least for the time being ? Nothing too sinister or deep, but you know how it goes. Or you can contact me on [email protected], whichever suits you. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127202300","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241127202300-A_need_for_some_privacy","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241127202800-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241127202300"]}}-->

I will ping you offline. Binksternet (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127202800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241127202800-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241127202300","replies":["c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241127204700-Binksternet-20241127202800"]}}-->

Thanks. I presume you mean off-Wiki ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127204700","author":"Derek R Bullamore","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241127204700-Binksternet-20241127202800","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241127205000-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241127204700"]}}-->

You presume correctly. Binksternet (talk) 20:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127205000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241127205000-Derek_R_Bullamore-20241127204700","replies":["c-73.110.70.75-20241201054900-Binksternet-20241127205000"]}}-->

Am not surprised to see an old favourite editor, and a new favourite, collaborating. Cheers, both. Press on. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201054900","author":"73.110.70.75","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-73.110.70.75-20241201054900-Binksternet-20241127205000","replies":[]}}-->

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You might look back to the Tehanu article, and the hodge-podge "Focus, pacing, style, and interpretation" section. There is a lot of unsourced essay content there, that I simply can't bold-edit away myself (because editing from IP, and knowing what it likely will trigger). And good working alongside you today. [Thanks for being patient when I inadvertently reverted (but then returned) your redactive edits tot he overly long Plot summary.] Cheers. A former logging editor and Prof. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201054800","author":"73.110.70.75","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-73.110.70.75-20241201054800-Hey_friend.","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241201061100-73.110.70.75-20241201054800"]}}-->

Cheers. I'll take another look. Binksternet (talk) 06:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201061100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241201061100-73.110.70.75-20241201054800","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241201063200-Binksternet-20241201061100"]}}-->

I restored the shorter plot section that I had copyedited. Per WP:NOVELPLOT, the plot section should not exceed 700 words. Per MOS:PLOT, the plot section is written in the narrative present, which is a change I enacted. If the plot is very briefly summarized elsewhere, for instance in the lead section, then this summary is written from the author's perspective. Binksternet (talk) 06:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201063200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241201063200-Binksternet-20241201061100","replies":["c-73.110.70.75-20241201103700-Binksternet-20241201063200"]}}-->

I support your redactive edits to move Tehanu away from its overly long Plot, to hit ca. 700 words. I would argue that the Plot now opens with a name of principle character only revealed with certainty later in the novel—at open, only hints appear tht the principle character is Tenar; she is identified as Goha. I think the Plot summary should use Goha, until the point in the narrative that it is revealed that Goha is the preceding novel's Tenar. (But I will not be the one to even partially revert your edit.) And still believe that the "Focus, pacing, style, interpretation" section should get your honing attention (for it contains a lot of unsourced editorial content). Cheers. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 10:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201103700","author":"73.110.70.75","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-73.110.70.75-20241201103700-Binksternet-20241201063200","replies":[]}}-->

It's look like MariaJaydHicky is genre warring in 808s & Heartbreak [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 07:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203070600","author":"TheAmazingPeanuts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheAmazingPeanuts-20241203070600-808s_&_Heartbreak","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241203070900-TheAmazingPeanuts-20241203070600"]}}-->

Socking as a lifetime career. Binksternet (talk) 07:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203070900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241203070900-TheAmazingPeanuts-20241203070600","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20241204145900-Binksternet-20241203070900"]}}-->

Do we have research into what motivates LTAs? In this case someone made an attempt at some point User_talk:MariaJaydHicky2. Polygnotus (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204145900","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241204145900-Binksternet-20241203070900","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241204174800-Polygnotus-20241204145900"]}}-->

It would benefit the community greatly to know what is their motivation. We might be able to use that information to redirect their energies.

That particular discussion in your link showed that MJH was pleading innocent at the same time she was block evading with IPs and socks. Pop psychology suggests that this kind of lying comes from narcissism's disconnect with shame or guilt. Anna Frodesiak tried to guide MJH gently toward Wikia, but MJH ignored the hint. I don't know what we could say or do to get a narcissist to go away to spend their time elsewhere. Binksternet (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204174800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241204174800-Polygnotus-20241204145900","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20241204200200-Binksternet-20241204174800"]}}-->

Thanks. I don't have much faith in pop psychology. But would surprise me if no one has researched this topic yet. I'll ask around. Polygnotus (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204200200","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241204200200-Binksternet-20241204174800","replies":[]}}-->

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

Thank you for your infinite patience when efficiently dealing with the Long-time abusers over at WP:AFC/R and at your own talk page. LR.127 (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209142200","author":"LR.127","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LR.127-20241209142200-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241209213700-LR.127-20241209142200"]}}-->

Thanks! Appreciated. Binksternet (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241209213700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241209213700-LR.127-20241209142200","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I noticed you are a user who frequents WP:GAN and thought you might be interested in Good Article Review Circles. It is an initiative that helps articles get reviewed more quickly through collaborative efforts. By joining, you will review another user's article and get your own GA nomination reviewed in return. Check out the project page for more details! —

Interesting concept. I'll take advantage some day. Binksternet (talk) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210014700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241210014700-Invitation_to_participate_in_WP:GARC","replies":["c-GMH_Melbourne-20241210024100-Binksternet-20241210014700"]}}-->

Appreciate it! GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210024100","author":"GMH Melbourne","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GMH_Melbourne-20241210024100-Binksternet-20241210014700","replies":[]}}-->

So there's this LTA by the name of User:MidAtlanticBaby who has been going around and copy-pasting some story usually attacking other editors or seeking attention from admins and whatnot, over and over and over again, across the help desk, teahouse and various other help forums or noticeboards (example diff). I've noticed that the "Demographics vandal" you've been dealing with lately also does something incredibly similar as well, where they repeatedly spam some big block of text on the help desk and/or teahouse, which all later have to be revdelled just like MAB's posts. I've never seen any of the posts by the demographics vandal for myself before, so I'm not exactly sure as to whether these two names are two different people or not. I'm quite very familiar with MAB but not so much with the demographics vandal. Anyway, can you confirm with me whether these are two different persons? That's all. Thanks! — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241211063200","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20241211063200-Quick_question","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241211064600-AP_499D25-20241211063200"],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

The person I call the Demographics vandal is a complex case, with more than one area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have other disruptive behavior patterns than the ones listed at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Demographics vandal.

I've seen some of the MAB disruption but I haven't studied it. I cannot confirm these are two different people. Binksternet (talk) 06:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241211064600","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241211064600-AP_499D25-20241211063200","replies":["c-AP_499D25-20241211065000-Binksternet-20241211064600"]}}-->

I see, got it. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241211065000","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20241211065000-Binksternet-20241211064600","replies":[],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

Good morning! My name is Christian, and I'm an administrator on the English language children's encyclopedia called Vikidia. This morning, an article has been created, by someone using your WP username, and it's about you.

Could I ask if you have authorised this, please? If not, the article will be deleted as a violation of BLP. It features material taken word for word, from your userpage here, and is unsourced.

Many thanks for your attention, Dane|Geld 09:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212091500","author":"DaneGeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DaneGeld-20241212091500-Inquiry_about_an_article_created_at_the_English_language_Vikidia","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241212142600-DaneGeld-20241212091500"],"displayName":"Dane"}}-->

I did not authorize it. Thank you in advance for deleting it. Binksternet (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212142600","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241212142600-DaneGeld-20241212091500","replies":["c-Bishonen-20241212190500-Binksternet-20241212142600"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) DaneGeld, I see it has not been deleted yet, and the user "Binksternet" should surely be blocked. They have now made a second edit; note the edit summary. Bishonen | tålk 19:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212190500","author":"Bishonen","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bishonen-20241212190500-Binksternet-20241212142600","replies":["c-DaneGeld-20241212194600-Bishonen-20241212190500"]}}-->

Thanks, I'll remove it now, and indef the creator. Sorry for the delay! Dane|Geld 19:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212194600","author":"DaneGeld","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DaneGeld-20241212194600-Bishonen-20241212190500","replies":["c-DaneGeld-20241212202400-DaneGeld-20241212194600"],"displayName":"Dane"}}-->

To confirm, the user / vandal impersonating you at the English Vikidia has been indefinitely blocked for impersonation, our recent change logs indicate you did not authorise the article, and that too has been deleted and create protected to admin only. The userpage has been wiped, and the contents of the user's edit summaries have been suppressed within our logs.

I'd like to apologise for the delay in dealing with this, but I have been without internet for part of today, and been unable to get on here. If you ever wish to have a presence on the site, please leave a message on my talk page here, and I'll unlock the userpage and its associated talk, as well as unblock the account. With regards, Dane|Geld 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212202400","author":"DaneGeld","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-DaneGeld-20241212202400-DaneGeld-20241212194600","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241212203100-DaneGeld-20241212202400"],"displayName":"Dane"}}-->

Thank you for your prompt action. I will consider your kind offfer. Binksternet (talk) 20:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212203100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241212203100-DaneGeld-20241212202400","replies":[]}}-->

You're right that I did too much original research. I'll try to redo it referencing this source that has good info, including a section on the origin of the term and several of the sources I included. https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2444&context=theses That thesis suggests that Pollard might have picked up the term from an article in a rival Memphis paper in 11/16/1865, but I have a source that shows he used the term himself a day earlier than that. Pollard himself wrote in 1872 that he suggested the title to the publisher, but he was using the term himself even before the book was written. I don't have the Ulbrich book, but will try to get a copy. Brooklinehistory (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241215213300","author":"Brooklinehistory","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brooklinehistory-20241215213300-Origin_of_the_term_\"Lost_Cause\"","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241215225100-Brooklinehistory-20241215213300"]}}-->

Cheers, and thanks for having a good attitude. Binksternet (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241215225100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241215225100-Brooklinehistory-20241215213300","replies":[]}}-->

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 174.208.225.98 (talk) 01:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216011100","author":"174.208.225.98","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-174.208.225.98-20241216011100-Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard\/Incidents","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. This is regarding your deletion of the section on the Sonoma County, California page. There is a section on the talk page for discussion, but you did not participate, either before, during, or after your deletion. Although it appears to be a common practice to delete the edits and additions of newcomers, it is still against Wikipedia rules and guidelines. Please follow the rules. If you're going to assert that content should be deleted, discuss it on the talk page. I did that, multiple times in fact. I was very patient. I was very careful. I spent a lot of time, and did a lot of work. "Too specific" is not a real standard, and I do intend to revert your edit. Magnolia did in fact consistently blatantly and deliberately violate Wikipedia's rules. The fact that there was an actual torture ring conducted by the Sonoma County government is in fact notable, whether or not people think it should be covered up is irrelevant. The fact that the person who organized the lawsuit against the County for the torture ring in 2015 was shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade is also notable. Again, please respect Wikipedia's rules. I don't know how much simpler I can put it. Don't delete content without participating in discussion. There has been a section on the talk page for more than 18 months. I put it there, to give people a forum to discuss the sections that I eventually added, after diligence, and patience. 18 month old invalid arguments do not weigh on consensus. Bad faith deletions do not weigh on consensus. "Too specific" isn't even applicable, firstly, and secondly it's plainly not a real standard. It's not valid. The content is notable, and is properly sourced. Merely throwing in your hat with Magnolia to cover up extremely heinous acts of brutality because you personally want the article to read like a tourist brochure does not weigh on consensus. You need a valid reason. The fact that you didn't participate in the talk page seems to implicate a lacking thereof. The page is about the County. The content relates to the County and it is not reasonably disputable that it should be in the article, if the article is to be considered objective. The article is not a tourist brochure.Isonomia01 (talk) 11:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241216111300","author":"Isonomia01","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Isonomia01-20241216111300-\"Too_specific\"_isn't_a_real_standard._Don't_randomly_delete_content_without_atte","replies":[]}}-->

I'm not going to revert your edit, but I will argue that the text added to History of Chinese Americans is inappropriate. Beyond the simple problems of bolding of headers, meta-analysis like " While the page currently focuses on the legislative details, it is essential to explore the broader social and political dynamics that led to its passage." is a discussion of the page and should be on the talk page, not in the article. I also suspect that quite a lot of that text is a copyvio and it has some fairly serious WP:NPOV issues. Can you take a closer look? Thanks, Opolito (talk) 07:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217073700","author":"Opolito","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Opolito-20241217073700-History_of_Chinese_Americans","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241217154300-Opolito-20241217073700"]}}-->

Yes, I'll look. I guess we had an edit conflict, but I didn't get a notice saying so. I thought the person's contribution was very flawed and so I removed the worst bits. You thought it was very flawed and removed all of it. I might end up agreeing more with your solution. Binksternet (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217154300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241217154300-Opolito-20241217073700","replies":[]}}-->

Dude Why TF are u reverting my edits. The video clearly is credible as MrBeast shows proof himself and u literally did not look at it HiGuys69420 (talk) 21:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217213300","author":"HiGuys69420","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HiGuys69420-20241217213300-WTF_DUDE????","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241217225800-HiGuys69420-20241217213300"]}}-->

I did look at it, and what I saw was some clowning around in the studio. But the single actually has MrBeast credited on Hi Hat, so you got me there. Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217225800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241217225800-HiGuys69420-20241217213300","replies":[]}}-->

Is the flag icons next to names on the list of time magazine articles not the correct format? I saw you also removed the flags for the other covers as well. Bicufo (talk) 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220125500","author":"Bicufo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bicufo-20241220125500-Flag_Icons_for_1920's_Time_Magazine_Covers","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241220154900-Bicufo-20241220125500"]}}-->

As I understand MOS:FLAG and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons, the flag should only be used if the person is coming to the list as a representative of their country, for instance athletes coming to the Olympics would show the flag of the country they are competing for. If a list of people is not associated with official representation of the country, then flags are not appropriate. Or if multiple politicians got together to discuss world affairs, they might be shown with the flag they represent. The Time magazine cover is not an athletic competition and it's not a convention of international politicians. Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220154900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241220154900-Bicufo-20241220125500","replies":[]}}-->

[11] I am not "evading" anything. Now surely for you to accuse me of block evasion, you must have some real strong evidence, chief. Let's have it. 166.181.250.216 (talk) 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221221700","author":"166.181.250.216","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-166.181.250.216-20241221221700-I'm_going_to_need_some_evidence_for_this_claim","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241221221800-166.181.250.216-20241221221700"]}}-->

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sugar Bear/Archive which lists a ton of IPs in your range, and identical behavior. Binksternet (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241221221800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241221221800-166.181.250.216-20241221221700","replies":[]}}-->

I don't know if this user is related to MariaJaydHicky, but it appears to be the case [12] [13] [14]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222094200","author":"TheAmazingPeanuts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheAmazingPeanuts-20241222094200-Possible_sock_puppet_of_MariaJaydHicky","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241222160000-TheAmazingPeanuts-20241222094200"]}}-->

I see gaming the system of protection by gaining autoconfirmed status then immediately reverting a protected page, in this case the Nicki Minaj bio four days after first registering, showing in this edit that the user has been here before the hip hop article was moved from Hip hop music to Hip-hop which happened on December 2. The user account was created on December 17, so if they were a completely new user, they would only know the hyphenated hip-hop link, and they wouldn't try and correct it. Binksternet (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222160000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241222160000-TheAmazingPeanuts-20241222094200","replies":[]}}-->

The other day, I added the punk rock categories to the pages for speed metal and death metal, but you removed them. After reading the pages for those genres, I saw no mention of hardcore punk, so I removed them from the Hardcore punk template, but you added them back. What is the meaning of that? 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428 (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241222224400","author":"2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428-20241222224400-Your_recent_edits_make_no_sense.","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241223041400-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428-20241222224400"]}}-->

Your genre edits have been based on looking around at other Wikipedia articles.[15][16][17] I have pointed this problem out repeatedly to you, saying that other Wikipedia articles cannot be considered reliable per WP:USERG. Back in 2021 I advised you to read some musicology books instead, but you don't appear to be able or willing to do this. That's why I have a giant bug up my ass about your edits. Binksternet (talk) 04:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223041400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241223041400-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428-20241222224400","replies":["c-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27-20241223162300-Binksternet-20241223041400"]}}-->

Like I said, though, the pages for speed metal and death metal say nothing about hardcore punk, nor does the page for progressive rock say anything about electronic rock. I've seen you revert my edits for similar reasoning. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223162300","author":"2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27-20241223162300-Binksternet-20241223041400","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241223162500-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27-20241223162300"]}}-->

Here you are again referring to Wikipedia pages as reliable sources. ARGHH. Binksternet (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223162500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241223162500-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27-20241223162300","replies":["c-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27-20241223170300-Binksternet-20241223162500"]}}-->

It was a lack of sources I was going on. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223170300","author":"2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27-20241223170300-Binksternet-20241223162500","replies":[]}}-->

Why would you revert the italicization of hazzan. And why do it with zero edit summary - do you really believe it to be vandalism? 184.153.21.19 (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223085300","author":"184.153.21.19","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-184.153.21.19-20241223085300-Various_questions_.._but_for_starters_..","replies":["c-Binksternet-20241223154400-184.153.21.19-20241223085300"]}}-->

You added a borough right next to the note that says no boroughs. Binksternet (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223154400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20241223154400-184.153.21.19-20241223085300","replies":["c-184.153.21.19-20241223175400-Binksternet-20241223154400"]}}-->

Why if you disagree with that would you revert all of the other - I think facially proper - edits? And why without an edit summary. I thought we are supposed to use an edit summary, in particular when reverting non-vandalism (and of course where it is confusing as most of the material you reverted you have not mentioned you had a problem with). And (please tell me .. I'm just unaware of it) is there a rule against reflecting someone was born in Brooklyn? As we do in Sandy Koufax and Jay-Z and Michael Jordan and Joan Rivers? Also, less important I imagine, what is the thinking (Brooklyn is as large as many cities and has a character perhaps different than some of the other NYC boroughs), and will you delete Brooklyn from those bios as well? Thank you. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223175400","author":"184.153.21.19","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-184.153.21.19-20241223175400-Binksternet-20241223154400","replies":[]}}-->