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Hello,

You left me a message about being biased on Atatürk.

It was not bias, the previous text was biased.

The Ottoman genocide on Armenians is broadly discussed on the page, but someone put in on the front page as of Atatürk had something to do with it. People who quickly read about Atatürk will think he was complicit in the genocide, thus throwing filth on his name.

If you read the rest of the article you will see he was not complicit, but not everyone reads it and the people who want to ruin his name know this tactic... that part does not have to be on his front page as it is not something about him.

In regards,

CptBearguy CptBearguy (talk) 17:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102175500","author":"CptBearguy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CptBearguy-20240102175500-Bias","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240102203700-CptBearguy-20240102175500","c-Binksternet-20240102210300-CptBearguy-20240102175500"]}}-->

Kemal saw the Armenians as a direct challenge to Turkey's existence, and he fought to save Turkey by wiping them out. This is a major element of his life and career. Binksternet (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102203700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240102203700-CptBearguy-20240102175500","replies":[]}}-->

The Bloomsbury textbook The Armenian Genocide: The Essential Reference Guide (ISBN 9781610696883) says that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was "the founder of the Republic of Turkey, and the consummator of the Armenian Genocide." You will find this on page 83. The editors of this textbook are saying that the Armenian Genocide was the brainchild of others, but Kemal carried out the action of genocide to make it happen. Binksternet (talk) 21:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240102210300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240102210300-CptBearguy-20240102175500","replies":["c-CptBearguy-20240106164800-Binksternet-20240102210300"]}}-->

Have you even fact checken that source? Mustafa Kemal Atatürk criticized and punished the people who carried out genocides against Christians.

People think everything that happened was done by a lieutenant-colonel, because he became the first president. CptBearguy (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240106164800","author":"CptBearguy","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CptBearguy-20240106164800-Binksternet-20240102210300","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240106201800-CptBearguy-20240106164800"]}}-->

Wikipedia does not require fact-checking of sources like that, especially when it's such a broad summary of scholarship. We do, however, require balancing all the best sources to come up with our own best summary of the topic. Binksternet (talk) 20:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240106201800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240106201800-CptBearguy-20240106164800","replies":[]}}-->

I was one of the backup singers on this song and several others when Dawn was a fledgling group. Toni WIne, the songwriter on Candida, was a close friend and a back up singer like me. Jay Siegel of the Tokens was singing too. ANd often refers to us as the Early Dawn, There are contracts through AFTRA documenting those sessions and I still get singer royalties for them through AFTRA AFM. On Dawn's first album, there are liner notes that credit the aforementioned. Rgrean (talk) 01:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104014100","author":"Rgrean","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rgrean-20240104014100-Knock_Three_Times","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240104033200-Rgrean-20240104014100"]}}-->

If someone was looking only at album liner notes, they would be frustrated. The original 1970 edition of Candida doesn't have any performer credits. It just says "Special thanks to Tony Orlando." Re-issue copies of that album from Razor & Tie have liner notes written by Hank Medress in September 1996 saying that the original performers were Tony Orlando, Telma Hopkins and Joyce Vincent. Of course he is skipping ahead in chronology, jumping over the complicated parts, even though he was the producer and would be expected to tell the whole story. Sad.

On the other hand, books about the topic agree with you, listing the backing singers as Robin Grean, Toni Wine, Ellie Greenwich and Jay Siegel on vocals for the song "Candida", with lead singer Tony Orlando supported by Phil Margo on drums, making it almost a full Tokens date. The song "Knock Three Times" was Tony Orlando on lead, Robin Grean, Toni Wine and Jay Siegel on harmonies. This is laid down in Jay Warner's book, American Singing Groups: A History from 1940s to Today. Binksternet (talk) 03:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104033200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240104033200-Rgrean-20240104014100","replies":[]}}-->

Sometime last year, a user called RockabillyRaccoon made some unsopported changes to the Rap rock template, and you never did anything about it. I tried to fix them, and you immediately reverted what I did! What gives? 2600:6C5A:417F:794E:C8FF:8BB3:7DF9:BBB4 (talk) 02:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104020200","author":"2600:6C5A:417F:794E:C8FF:8BB3:7DF9:BBB4","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:C8FF:8BB3:7DF9:BBB4-20240104020200-Why_didn't_you_block_RockabillyRaccoon?","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240104025000-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:C8FF:8BB3:7DF9:BBB4-20240104020200"]}}-->

At the time, RR was not blocked. You made this combination of edits, adding punk rap and emo rap. As usual your additon was completely unsupported. RR's removal of your addition was correct. On June 20, you added a bunch more stuff to that template, and on June 21 your IP range Special:Contributions/2600:6C5A:417F:794E:0:0:0:0/64 was blocked for six months. The next month you were blocked as Special:Contributions/47.36.25.163. You definitely have a problematic record on Wikipedia relative to genre-warring. I will continue to remove unsupported stuff that you add. Binksternet (talk) 02:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104025000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240104025000-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:C8FF:8BB3:7DF9:BBB4-20240104020200","replies":["c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240104233100-Binksternet-20240104025000"]}}-->

I was adding some genres, and since punk rock is definitely a subgenre of rock music, punk rap actually has basis in this template. (I guess I can kind of understand the removal of emo rap, though; I've heard some emo rap songs, and I heard no rock in them. However, I can't help wondering why emo rap is called that if it has no elements of emo.) 2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65 (talk) 23:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104233100","author":"2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240104233100-Binksternet-20240104025000","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240105004900-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240104233100"]}}-->

There ya go, trying to figure it out on your own. You should be citing books or experts on the web. Binksternet (talk) 00:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240105004900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240105004900-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240104233100","replies":["c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240105010300-Binksternet-20240105004900"]}}-->

You do realize that RockabillyRaccoon was a sockpuppet, right? Why are you trusting their edits? 2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65 (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240105010300","author":"2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240105010300-Binksternet-20240105004900","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240105010400-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240105010300"]}}-->

RR is a real person with some faults and some strengths. Their edits were not 100% wrong. Binksternet (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240105010400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240105010400-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:78FC:976E:4C43:DA65-20240105010300","replies":["c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:17C:611C:1056:89CB-20240106010700-Binksternet-20240105010400"]}}-->

It still doesn't change the fact they they were a sockpuppet. On most sites, aren't edits by sockpuppets usually seen as untrustworthy? 2600:6C5A:417F:794E:17C:611C:1056:89CB (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240106010700","author":"2600:6C5A:417F:794E:17C:611C:1056:89CB","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-2600:6C5A:417F:794E:17C:611C:1056:89CB-20240106010700-Binksternet-20240105010400","replies":[]}}-->

I noticed that you undid my edit on Five's Got the Feelin page, I only corrected the release date with was the 8th June 1998, Yes it may have been released in Sweden on 2nd June 1998, But Five are not a swedish group, they are a British group so it should be the UK release date which is 8th June 1998, not 2nd June 1998. 82.19.40.217 (talk) 18:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104182300","author":"82.19.40.217","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-82.19.40.217-20240104182300-Issue_on_Five's_Got_the_Feelin'_release_date","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240104183800-82.19.40.217-20240104182300"]}}-->

The first release is definitive no matter where it was released. Binksternet (talk) 18:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240104183800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240104183800-82.19.40.217-20240104182300","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I recently seen your 'talk' message. While I come to understand the issues with editing disruptions there is actually some sort of mistake. I'm not this "SonicClub" user that you were referring to, when it comes to the edit on Tweetie Pie, it was more or less acted more as a "good faith" edit. I hope this clears up any sort of misunderstandings.

- User talk:104.246.96.227 11:23pm EST, 8 Jan 2024

Okay, thanks for the note. Binksternet (talk) 05:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240109052100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240109052100-Notice_on_Block_Evasion","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi. The background section of the article has nothing to do with a negative comment from a critic reviewing the album following its release. That comment should be put on the reception section DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112172700","author":"DollysOnMyMind","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DollysOnMyMind-20240112172700-Title","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240112172800-DollysOnMyMind-20240112172700"]}}-->

If you don't restore the "idiotic" quote you will be blocked. It goes directly after Chris Brown talking nonsense about his title concept, which is in fact idiotic. Binksternet (talk) 17:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112172800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240112172800-DollysOnMyMind-20240112172700","replies":["c-DollysOnMyMind-20240112173300-Binksternet-20240112172800"]}}-->

it might be idiotic in your opinion, but it's not an information that should be provided on the background section of the article still, because it has nothing to do with the background of the album. It should be mentioned on the critical reception part of the article. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112173300","author":"DollysOnMyMind","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-DollysOnMyMind-20240112173300-Binksternet-20240112172800","replies":[]}}-->

I would like to make an official complaint about Jkaharper, every time a person's death is mentioned in Wikipedia, despite having a source on it, he always has to go and deliberately remove the person's cause of death such as a short illness as he did with Annie Nightingale. It's vandalism and I for one am getting fed up of it. Please can you stop him from doing this habbit because this is childish behaviour. 82.19.40.217 (talk) 17:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112174000","author":"82.19.40.217","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-82.19.40.217-20240112174000-Unhappy_with_User:Jkaharper","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240112175500-82.19.40.217-20240112174000"]}}-->

It's more tendentious editing than outright vandalism.

I can see why you might be peeved, but your own work has been questionable, for instance this combination of "peacefully" contrasted by your clunky addition of "battling". Awkward composition. Binksternet (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112175500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240112175500-82.19.40.217-20240112174000","replies":["c-82.19.40.217-20240112175600-Binksternet-20240112175500"]}}-->

He's done it again, he's reverted your edit now as well, this is edit warring and the only way this is gonna be stopped, is if he's blocked from editing. 82.19.40.217 (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112175600","author":"82.19.40.217","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-82.19.40.217-20240112175600-Binksternet-20240112175500","replies":["c-Jkaharper-20240112180700-82.19.40.217-20240112175600"]}}-->

I removed it as per WP:EUPHEMISM. "Brief illness" is not a cause of death. You would not find "illness" listed under cause on any death certificate. Everyone who dies of natural causes dies of an "illness". This is Captain Obvious level stuff. Non-encyclopaedic language like "passed away" or "died from an illness" should be avoided. --Jkaharper (talk) 18:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112180700","author":"Jkaharper","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jkaharper-20240112180700-82.19.40.217-20240112175600","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240112180900-Jkaharper-20240112180700"]}}-->

You violated WP:3RR in doing so. The information conveyed is that her illness was brief rather than lengthy, which you had no reason to remove. Binksternet (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240112180900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240112180900-Jkaharper-20240112180700","replies":["c-91.189.141.116-20240115133000-Binksternet-20240112180900"]}}-->

Then I think you should state that brief illness led to her death, but was not the cause of her death. I agree with Jkaharper 91.189.141.116 (talk) 13:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240115133000","author":"91.189.141.116","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-91.189.141.116-20240115133000-Binksternet-20240112180900","replies":["c-82.19.40.217-20240116151200-91.189.141.116-20240115133000"]}}-->

I'm sorry but your wrong, a brief illness was the cause of her death. 82.19.40.217 (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240116151200","author":"82.19.40.217","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-82.19.40.217-20240116151200-91.189.141.116-20240115133000","replies":[]}}-->

By reverting my changes I made few years ago, you have showed your point of view - the abortionist one. If no other point of view expect the right one is welcome, that means the only one existing is the "right one", which is not neutral by definiotion. I intend to edit the page adding lacking information. 91.189.141.116 (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240115132800","author":"91.189.141.116","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-91.189.141.116-20240115132800-Abortion","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240115140400-91.189.141.116-20240115132800"]}}-->

On Wikipedia, the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are considered promotional, non-neutral. Your edit to Maafa four years ago was not neutral, which is why I reverted it. Michelle Goldberg made a comparison to Hitler and published it, but you tried to negate that comparison based on your own unpublished analysis. Binksternet (talk) 14:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240115140400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240115140400-91.189.141.116-20240115132800","replies":[]}}-->

As part of your routine disruptive editing, you recently violated the 3RR on the Chris Brown article to continously revert and include an infobox image which happens to be a clear copyright violation. Im sure this violation and the ensuing temp block resulting from it will not stop your egregeious edit warring (considering you have numerous blocks for the same behavior on other articles) but neverthless Im leaving this message here to simply ask you to take interest in content as opposed to engaging in edit wars with individuals just for the sake of being disruptive. Thanks. Instantwatym (talk) 01:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240120012100","author":"Instantwatym","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Instantwatym-20240120012100-Recent_3RR_violation_on_Chris_Brown_article","replies":[]}}-->

Could you elaborate on "local inclusion criteria"? TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 17:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240121173000","author":"Trevortnidesserped","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Trevortnidesserped-20240121173000-List_of_one_hit_wonders","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240121175200-Trevortnidesserped-20240121173000"],"displayName":"TrevortniDesserpedx"}}-->

Yes. The page uses media statements for inclusion criteria. It does not use chart statistics. If the media say an artist is a one-hit wonder, then we list them. The page states this explicitly: "Each artist listed here has been identified by at least two publications as being a one-hit wonder in the U.S. Some artists listed here have reached the Top 40 on the US Billboard Hot 100 more than once."

This inclusion criteria was established six years ago by unanimous decision at Talk:List of 2010s one-hit wonders in the United States#Inclusion criteria. The discussion was the result of years of bickering about chart stats, and it was also part of a big merger. For no good reason the topic had been divided into seven decades covered by seven different pages. Binksternet (talk) 17:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240121175200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240121175200-Trevortnidesserped-20240121173000","replies":["c-Trevortnidesserped-20240122160200-Binksternet-20240121175200"]}}-->

Right, but if an act that was initially listed as a OHW on this page ends up having another hit following their listing, they ought to be removed from the list because the sources that were initially used are outdated, because they were made prior to the second hit. Example, Willow Smith, who was removed from the page in late 2021 following her hit "Meet Me At Our Spot." It is highly likely that there are two or three sources claiming that an act is a one-hit-wonder when they actually aren't, as they may not be entirely familiar with an artist's legacy/reputation and/or they may be looking at the artist from the perspective of their most well-known song, even if they did have a hit later on in their career. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 16:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240122160200","author":"Trevortnidesserped","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Trevortnidesserped-20240122160200-Binksternet-20240121175200","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240122161000-Trevortnidesserped-20240122160200"],"displayName":"TrevortniDesserpedx"}}-->

I can see your logic—we should not rely completely on outdated references with incomplete data. I'm sure such an argument would have leverage on the talk page when discussing a particular artist. In a case like that, the artist could be discussed in prose as previously have OHW status. Binksternet (talk) 16:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240122161000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240122161000-Trevortnidesserped-20240122160200","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings. Is this Dealer07 again? They seem to be taking exception to a perfectly good image, with a bizarre rationale. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240121185700","author":"Mac Dreamstate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mac_Dreamstate-20240121185700-Ava_Max","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240121195900-Mac_Dreamstate-20240121185700"]}}-->

Yes, it's Dealer07. Closely related IPs have been doing the classic English/British thing.[1] Maybe we should block the /40 range, although some collateral damage would result. Binksternet (talk) 19:59, 21 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240121195900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240121195900-Mac_Dreamstate-20240121185700","replies":[]}}-->

Max Weinberg has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (chat!) 10:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240123100100","author":"Spinixster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spinixster-20240123100100-Good_article_reassessment_for_Max_Weinberg","replies":[]}}-->

I am only sending you this discussion because i see that you have an abuse of authority, and i believe you do not have knowledge about rock music, i am a professional and an expert in the genre even if you do not believe me, if you ask me for a reference, you cannot always have them, i have already had experience with other users who have deleted articles in accounts previous to mine and even having evidence of their existence, i will simply ignore it due to the effort i have made and you seek to ruin it for me, Greetings. DarkWorld305 (talk) 00:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240124004700","author":"DarkWorld305","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DarkWorld305-20240124004700-Abuse_of_authority","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240124030300-DarkWorld305-20240124004700"]}}-->

So here's the deal. Wikipedia is based on WP:Reliable sources, not on individual editors who consider themselves expert. It doesn't really matter that you are a "professional" with experience. Per WP:No original research, your own analysis and conclusions do not have any leverage here. Wikipedia users like you and I are supposed to summarize published sources so that the reader gets the most important facts. You should be looking at the literature and helping to relay that to the reader.

You added a "trip rock" category to Hooverphonic[2] without any published source saying that Hooverphonic was "trip rock". You were edit-warring over material at Monkey3. You created some unlikely categories which are now under deletion discussion. Binksternet (talk) 03:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240124030300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240124030300-DarkWorld305-20240124004700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Binksternet,

I just thought I'd let you know that I have filed an SPI case on the User:Christeningchristina account and User:104.181.148.164 IP address, over at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dcasey98. I noticed that the newly created Christeningchristina account repeated the same edits more or less on the Psychedelic rock page, and had the same tone/'aggression' in the edit summaries as did the previous socks of Dcasey98 this month. Though I'm not very good with the specifics of the language they use in the edit summaries due to being unfamiliar with this user, so I just wrote down one similarity I saw, which is that one of their favourite words to use is "British appropriation" or similar.

Regards, — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240127015800","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20240127015800-Dcasey98_at_SPI","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240127021000-AP_499D25-20240127015800"],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

Excellent. You got the job done. Binksternet (talk) 02:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240127021000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240127021000-AP_499D25-20240127015800","replies":[]}}-->

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Just curious why you're removing all additions to the "In Popular Culture" section of the wiki on A Fifth of Beethoven. Considering one of them has been added three different times, I'd say there's some argument for notability, and certainly more notable than a 40-year old usage by the Irish Defense Force. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebookpolice (talk • contribs) 15:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209155200","author":"Thebookpolice","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thebookpolice-20240209155200-A_Fifth_of_Beethoven_edit_reversion","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240209163500-Thebookpolice-20240209155200"]}}-->

I removed this sentence:

• "The song also features in the series finale of Marvel Studios' Loki Disney Plus series."

If this appearance of the song is significant to the topic, then the media will have made an observation about it, and we can cite the source. It must be a human writing about how the appearance was memorable, not a bare listing of songs appearing in shows. Binksternet (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240209163500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240209163500-Thebookpolice-20240209155200","replies":[]}}-->

Hi - I'm pretty inexperienced and so I'm hoping you can help me understand what I should have done differently when I added this song's appearance in the movie Blaze. so that I know for the future. I thought I was pretty careful, specific, relevant and additive. However I noticed you later removed the entire section on the song's appearances in movies due to poor sourcing. These were edits from November 2022 (mine) and December 2022 (yours). Thank you so much. Thornstreet (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240211123600","author":"Thornstreet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thornstreet-20240211123600-Jambalaya_(On_the_Bayou)","replies":["c-Thornstreet-20240211130700-Thornstreet-20240211123600"]}}-->

This passage in the AFI Catalog shows that one of the appearances of the song (the one performed by Bonnie Bramlett aka Bonnie Sheridan) accomplished three things: 1) it advanced the movie's plot in a humorous way (allowing Earl Long and Blaze to consummate their mutual affection), 2) it deepened the audience's understanding of Long and his deep love for Louisiana culture, and 3) it showed Blaze to be a woman who is unfazed, compassionate and quick thinking.

From AFI: Long brings Blaze home with him, and she is shocked he lives in a rundown farmhouse. Once inside, Blaze strips and takes Long to bed, but discovers he is impotent. Blaze solves the problem by playing her guitar and singing ”Jambalaya.” AFI Catalog Thornstreet (talk) 13:07, 11 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240211130700","author":"Thornstreet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thornstreet-20240211130700-Thornstreet-20240211123600","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240211133200-Thornstreet-20240211130700"]}}-->

Your addition back in 2022 was accompanied by a citation to IMDb which I judged insufficient to show that the song appearance in the film was significant. Usually, these things need WP:SECONDARY sources with a human author to show that they are important. Secondary sources are definitive on Wikipedia. Basically, if the media have commented on the song's appearance in a film, it's important.

Your AFI link here shows that the song is more than incidental to the plot, but there's no author to cite. AFI staff wrote it anonymously. Perhaps you can locate a magazine or newspaper review of the movie which calls out the song as important. Binksternet (talk) 13:32, 11 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240211133200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240211133200-Thornstreet-20240211130700","replies":["c-Thornstreet-20240211140000-Binksternet-20240211133200"]}}-->

Thank you, that really helps clarify the standard for edits. I’ll see if there’s anything that’s individually authored, as you suggested. Thornstreet (talk) 14:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240211140000","author":"Thornstreet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Thornstreet-20240211140000-Binksternet-20240211133200","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, perhaps this isn't a big deal, but I added a bunch of new people to the OHW USA list yesterday. And when I added Jud Strunk, I accidentially wrote simply, "Jud Strunk" instead of "Added Jud Strunk" for the thing where you gotta briefly summarize your edit. Once you publish your edit, the "explanation thing" can't be changed, so I just wanted to clear that mistake up. I'll try to be more careful when typing out my edit summaries. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 19:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240213190500","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213190500-Minor_Mistake_I_made_on_the_OHW_page","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240213192400-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213190500"]}}-->

If you are concerned about a mistake in your edit summary, you can make a null edit (adding or taking away a space, for example) and rewrite your intended edit summary. It's not required. Just a courtesy. Binksternet (talk) 19:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240213192400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240213192400-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213190500","replies":["c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213193900-Binksternet-20240213192400"]}}-->

Cool! Thanks! Imma see how that works. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 19:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240213193900","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213193900-Binksternet-20240213192400","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240213194200-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213193900"]}}-->

By the way, the Barrett 2011 source contains a few entries that we have not yet listed. Binksternet (talk) 19:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240213194200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240213194200-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213193900","replies":["c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213195200-Binksternet-20240213194200"]}}-->

Yeah, I was aware of that. I will add them at some point if no one else does. Oh and by the way, if you don't mind, check out the 2000's section of the list. I recall scrolling through and seeing disqualifying sources for some of the entries. I recently had to replace a bunch of sources for the 1990's entries. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 19:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240213195200","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240213195200-Binksternet-20240213194200","replies":[]}}-->

Why are you reverting all updated music Certifications? What are you trying to accomplish? Those edits are all Reliably Sourced. 197.87.135.187 (talk) 20:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240216204300","author":"197.87.135.187","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-197.87.135.187-20240216204300-Reverting_music_Certifications","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240216205000-197.87.135.187-20240216204300"]}}-->

I looked up the sourcing for Danny Ocean and the FIMI website said Gold, not Platinum. I looked up the sourcing for Songbird (Fleetwood Mac song) and the BPI website said Gold, not Platinum. Since I looked the first time, the BPI website has been updated to say Platinum. So now your edit on that song can stand. It appears you are getting ahead of the sourcing, perhaps from social media or inside information. Binksternet (talk) 20:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240216205000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240216205000-197.87.135.187-20240216204300","replies":[]}}-->

The BPI updates their website every Friday. EVERY edit I made was updated today. I am not sure of the other edits you blanket-reverted.

But, even IF Songbird was true, why did you revert everything I added? 197.87.135.187 (talk) 20:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240216205300","author":"197.87.135.187","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-197.87.135.187-20240216205300-Reverting_music_Certifications","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240216222800-197.87.135.187-20240216205300"]}}-->

Because I lost trust in you after I failed to verify two entries in a row. Binksternet (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240216222800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240216222800-197.87.135.187-20240216205300","replies":[]}}-->

Hey Bink. I have a question. Apart from ambiguous links, what has the Switzerland-located IP done wrong? 113.210.105.117 (talk) 03:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240217030700","author":"113.210.105.117","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-113.210.105.117-20240217030700-About_2A02:AA12:E480:7380:D1FB:EFBA:2186:E7","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240217031500-113.210.105.117-20240217030700"]}}-->

I saw too many style mistakes, so I reverted the whole edit. The Swiss person added slashes between names in violation of MOS:SLASH, and they put single entries into the hlist template which is designed for multiple entries. Binksternet (talk) 03:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240217031500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240217031500-113.210.105.117-20240217030700","replies":[]}}-->

Wow. I've seen and personally dealt with several different kinds of LTAs before, ranging from trolls, to vandals that game permissions to edit protected articles, to persistent disruptors that attack other users, to umm MRY... But I've never seen a vandal as stealthy yet incredibly destructive as this one!! Ugh what a big pain in the rear this looks like to deal with. I ran my mass-rollback tool on some of the music-related edits from the /40 range that appear to be Hanoi-like to me, but unfortunately rollback does not do range reverts, i.e. if they make two edits but both are from slightly different addresses, it'll revert the last individual address to the previous one, rather than revert all edits from the range.

Regards, — AP 499D25 (talk) 04:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240217042900","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20240217042900-Hanoi_LTA","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240217043100-AP_499D25-20240217042900"],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

Yeah, this vandal's disruption is difficult to fix. They travel from Vietnam to the Philippines and back, so the IPs are all over. Binksternet (talk) 04:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240217043100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240217043100-AP_499D25-20240217042900","replies":[]}}-->

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Stix1776 (talk) 06:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240217061700","author":"Stix1776","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stix1776-20240217061700-Edit_Warring_on_Grover_Furt","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240217062000-Stix1776-20240217061700"]}}-->

You are trying to whitewash Furr which is a serious violation of WP:NPOV. Cut it out. Binksternet (talk) 06:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240217062000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240217062000-Stix1776-20240217061700","replies":[]}}-->

Kelly's group was signed to the Electra label in 1995, but were dropped months later, and did not release any music under that label or in that year. What exactly constitutes as active? All the members made their musical debut under Columbia in 1997 and all the other members' pages reflect that. If Kelly is considered active as of 1995, shouldn't all their pages be edited? 166.194.204.14 (talk) 01:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218013800","author":"166.194.204.14","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-166.194.204.14-20240218013800-Active_\/_Kelly_Rowland","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240218020800-166.194.204.14-20240218013800"]}}-->

I consider "active" to be engaged professionally, like making money with music, or touring, or any recognized work building the career. Signing with a label is "active". All the signees should start with 1995. Binksternet (talk) 02:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218020800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240218020800-166.194.204.14-20240218013800","replies":["c-166.194.204.79-20240321163800-Binksternet-20240218020800"]}}-->

The relevant members of the group with unlocked pages have been edited; you're going to have to change Beyonce's page, she is locked and the only member left to have signed in 1995. 166.194.204.79 (talk) 16:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321163800","author":"166.194.204.79","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-166.194.204.79-20240321163800-Binksternet-20240218020800","replies":["c-166.194.204.79-20240323174000-166.194.204.79-20240321163800"]}}-->

Hey Binksternet, I see you haven't edited your fellow Knowles yet. Do I have to create a separate edit request for that? 166.194.204.79 (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323174000","author":"166.194.204.79","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-166.194.204.79-20240323174000-166.194.204.79-20240321163800","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Mr. Bink- I received a reverted edit from you saying not to use a Podcast as a citation

My edit's aim was adding details to an author's history that I felt was missing. These details, (may it be his early personal life or the career pathways he has taken) are significant to his overall writing career and do not appear in his current page. It is extremely rare to find secondary information (as you suggested) about writer's backgrounds; as non-fiction writers tend to be interviewed about their subjects, and not themselves. The interviewer in this podcast actually asked the author about his background and career story...that publicly revealed a significant amount of information that I was adding to his page. Please reconsider that these facts are not in dispute and really should be part of his story.

This is the first time I have attempted to edit a Wiki page, so I am new at this. I ask for your help, please. To your point about taking out the "trivia" (i.e. which hospital he was born), I can just say he born in London etc, and keep his schooling there (I get your point)..... (by the way, no need to use foul language when making your point, I don't need the aggression, thank you). But the rest of the data that I included should be allowed as it enriches the page and his story.....of which is directly from the source himself. Would that help in reconsidering my edit please?

Thank you

JerseyRingo (talk) 14:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218140000","author":"JerseyRingo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JerseyRingo-20240218140000-Why_Not_Use_A_Podsast_for_Citation_?","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240218154200-JerseyRingo-20240218140000","c-JerseyRingo-20240218215300-JerseyRingo-20240218140000"]}}-->

The biography in question has been targeted multiple times by single-purpose accounts wishing to insert personal details that have not been published.[3][4] One of them used WP:PEACOCK wording to puff it up.[5] Hence my frustration. The new podcast appears to be a runaround attempt to get this stuff back in. The podcast doesn't change the fact that these details are unnecessary and excessive. WP:INDISCRIMINATE comes to mind. It's also vain and preening of Mark Lewisohn to keep trying to pad his bio. Wikipedia biographies are not the place for people to write about themselves as in a personal website.

Each major section of a biography should be founded on uninvolved WP:SECONDARY sources. Primary sources can be used to fill in appropriate detail. There are no secondary sources writing about Lewisohn's personal life. That makes his personal life unimportant with regard to Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218154200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240218154200-JerseyRingo-20240218140000","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks again for your reply... Please let me be clear, I don't know about these Wiki politics...I am not associated with Lewisohn or these past attempts you reference (nor am I that interested in all this). I guess you are doing your job.

But I will say that Wiki's rebuttal of my improvements for this entry make me feel that I should stop attempting them. Not a lot of encouragement here for new comers.

However, I would ask that you consider the entries given to the world-leading authorities on other major topics and judge if Lewisohn's is inadequate by comparison....that is what got into action in the first place.

Also, please consider how many other Wiki entries cite Lewisohn as a source of knowledge and information. For example, as there is already an entry for the school he attended, (Pinner County Grammar School), which lists past students who have attained a public postion.....I am at a loss to understand why it is deemed irrelevant for Lewisohn's name to be added, and for this to be cross-referenced in his own entry. It seems only logical to me. My attempts to improve his primary entry are not being done for helping his vanity (I have no idea if he cares!) but as an admiring fan of his work, I merely take time out of my day to ensure that the information in terms of the important books and other projects he has created or assisted in.

...in the big picture, I don't think my (or anyone's) motivations should be a criteria. I thought helping the content with accurate or comprehensive information is the aim of Wiki. I ask that my learning, or misunderstanding how to go about this, should not be viewed in such a syndical way. JerseyRingo (talk) 21:53, 18 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218215300","author":"JerseyRingo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JerseyRingo-20240218215300-JerseyRingo-20240218140000","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240218215700-JerseyRingo-20240218215300"]}}-->

I would be more understanding if there was any source for Kingsbury Maternity Hospital, which there isn't short of speaking to Lewisohn himself, or his family, or digging through UK birth records. The hospital does not appear on his website or in the cited podcast. My best guess is that you are getting your information from Lewisohn. That realization was the end of me being nice. Binksternet (talk) 21:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240218215700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240218215700-JerseyRingo-20240218215300","replies":["c-JerseyRingo-20240219195900-Binksternet-20240218215700"]}}-->

Much luck to you...sounds like you have a challenging job and you try to do it well.

I guess my curiosity got me into a Wiki vortex that I didn't realize was there, along with some history baggage that I was not party to.

I respect anyone who works hard at what they do, like you seem to. But this is just a hobby for me, I really don't have the deep motivated interest to debate.... and as for the hospital, its simple. I remember him saying this in a theatre presentation a few years ago and the name of the hospital stuck with me because I knew some people who were treated there at one time. I assure you, I wasn't sent to do this by anyone. Just me and something to do on the weekends.

This was my first, and it was quite an experience. With this unexpected harsh environment, I'm not sure I'd try to contribute again...nor donate, for that matter.

I wish you all the best, and as your work brings you in touch with the public, I encourage you to be "nice" to anyone who walks into your life....Be big...we should never: "end of me being nice."

Life is too short and people need your support, even within a volunteer environment like this.

"Peace and Love, as Ringo would say. JerseyRingo (talk) 19:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240219195900","author":"JerseyRingo","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-JerseyRingo-20240219195900-Binksternet-20240218215700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there. I changed some information for the release date of the debut KISS album. If you read Behind The Mask (the authorized biography), it clearly states the record was actually released on the 8th of February, NOT the 18th. You can keep out my addition about the discrepancy behind the release, but I implore you to keep the changes about the 8th being the release date. CJEntertainment101 (talk) 03:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240219035200","author":"CJEntertainment101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CJEntertainment101-20240219035200-Kiss_album_changes","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240219052800-CJEntertainment101-20240219035200"]}}-->

Blogs like the one you cited fail WP:USERG, especially when there is no author named. A brief look around Google shows many high quality sources supporting the release date of February 18, 1974, for the first Kiss album. You would need a very, very strong source to change the date on Wikipedia, since Wikipedia's mission is to summarize the literature about a topic.

Picking apart the blog's own sourcing shown in scans of pages and clippings, I can confirm one of them saying that the album is scheduled for February 8. That's from Record World published on Feb 9—see page 19.[6] It does NOT say that the album was actually released on Feb 8. Albums have been known to fail their expected release dates.

Another source the blog uses is the 1994 book Kisstory written by Jeff Kits. It's a very large, photograph-heavy limited edition fan book but it has a few factual errors, according to Brett Weiss writing in Encyclopedia of KISS on page 119. That makes it less authoritative.

So if you were to make an acceptable argument on Wikipedia to change the date, you would want to look through higher quality sources. You might cite the book Going Platinum: KISS, Donna Summer, and How Neil Bogart Built Casablanca Records which says Feb 8 on page 79, and you might cite the book And Party Every Day: The Inside Story of Casablanca Records which says Feb 8 on page 51. I expect that the most success you might have starting a new discussion at Talk:Kiss (Kiss album) would be to introduce a lack of certainty that Feb 18 is the correct date. Folks here might decide that both dates should be listed, with attribution for each date. But it should not be introduced as a controversy, because none of the writers have described it that way except the blogger. Binksternet (talk) 05:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240219052800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240219052800-CJEntertainment101-20240219035200","replies":[]}}-->

Hi,

could I trouble you to explain this reversion in more detail? My impression was that it's SOP for artist pages that don't have a qualifier themselves (like "(musician)" or "(group)") to include hatnote links to self-titled works that do have one (like "(album)"), so I've been adding those when I come across one that doesn't already have it, which is rare. Are there exceptions I should be aware of? Cheers!

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You're right. Sorry. Binksternet (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240219194000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240219194000-2A02:560:5821:6C00:4D3D:867E:F3EB:2F3C-20240219191700","replies":["c-2A02:560:5821:6C00:4D3D:867E:F3EB:2F3C-20240219195900-Binksternet-20240219194000"]}}-->

No worries at all, simply did not want to unwittingly repeat a mistake. :)

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There was nothing wrong with my edit to The Monkees. Please do not allow "your own point of view, or your own personal analysis" to affect how you view edits. My rewrite is more descriptive and more accurate. It changes nothing about the information, point of view or analysis of the article. I'm sure the message you sent is just a copy/paste whenever you undo an edit you don't like, but try not to let your personal opinions cloud your editing.128.151.71.8 (talk) 13:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221131300","author":"128.151.71.8","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-128.151.71.8-20240221131300-The_Monkees","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240221152500-128.151.71.8-20240221131300"]}}-->

Your wording is a whitewash. You are hiding the fact that some Monkees were missing from that particular project. The phrase "varying configurations" does not convey enough information. Binksternet (talk) 15:25, 21 February 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240221152500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240221152500-128.151.71.8-20240221131300","replies":[]}}-->

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Hey Binksternet--do you have a magical place you can pull some sources out of, for this record? It's really good! ;) Drmies (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240302234800","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-20240302234800-Force_of_Nature_(Talk_Talk_album)","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240303014400-Drmies-20240302234800"]}}-->

I'll look for something after my work shift today. Binksternet (talk) 01:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303014400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240303014400-Drmies-20240302234800","replies":["c-Drmies-20240303234800-Binksternet-20240303014400"]}}-->

Thanks. Hope you had a good day! Drmies (talk) 23:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240303234800","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-20240303234800-Binksternet-20240303014400","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240304015000-Drmies-20240303234800"]}}-->

Drmies, I can't find anything except retail sales websites. This sucks... It's much worse than usual. Nobody has reviewed it except for some unnamed retailer staff in a short blurb. Binksternet (talk) 01:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240304015000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240304015000-Drmies-20240303234800","replies":["c-Drmies-20240304162200-Binksternet-20240304015000"]}}-->

Yeah, I was afraid of that. I'm sure you've noticed this too: music from the 70s and the 80s seems to have fallen in this pre-internet hole, with articles never digitized or behind paywalls. And I guess Talk Talk's time is just over. Hey, thanks for trying; I appreciate it. PS you're in the recording business? Drmies (talk) 16:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240304162200","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drmies-20240304162200-Binksternet-20240304015000","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240304170200-Drmies-20240304162200"]}}-->

Live sound. Binksternet (talk) 17:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240304170200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240304170200-Drmies-20240304162200","replies":["c-Drmies-20240304181900-Binksternet-20240304170200"]}}-->

Oh awesome can you get me tickets for... ? ;) Your business has changed a lot since I was young, hardware-wise certainly. Drmies (talk) 18:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240304181900","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Drmies-20240304181900-Binksternet-20240304170200","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240304203500-Drmies-20240304181900"]}}-->

For sure. I started on analog consoles which relied on outboard gear. There were never enough compressors on the gig, and never enough parametric equalizers. You had a limited number of these critically important functions, and you would have to decide where they would be patched into the system. The losers in that decision would not sound as good. Your cable loom between the mixer and the outboard gear probably had intermittent problems with worn-out shielding or frayed conductors. Any piece of gear could have a cold solder joint requiring you to punch the item with your fist to get the electrons flowing again. The grounding scheme of each rackmount item was suspect, and you spent an hour every day tracking down buzzes and hums.

When digital mixers started becoming popular for live sound in 1997–2001, I was super happy. Now I had compressors and parametric filters on every input and output. Robotic assembly ended the poor soldering jobs. Grounding schemes improved after years of industry discussion about what was best. These days, a buzz or hum is rare. And I can walk up to someone else's console and load my show from a USB stick, saving an hour of setting up the mix. No more heavy copper snakes between the stage and the mix position; all you need is some CAT6 cable. Oh, and the loudspeakers sound waaaay better. Everything is better now. Binksternet (talk) 20:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240304203500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240304203500-Drmies-20240304181900","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi,

Thank you for clarifying your changes, but I do not agree with placing a nationality/national identity if this is disputed between countless sources. There are many claims for and against this, especially that Zamenhof's legacy in Russia is meagre and that Zamenhof was both a citizen of the Russian Empire and the Kingdom of Poland formed in 1917. Erasing his legacy in Poland would be most unwise. Furthermore, I think this needs to go to talk and a Wikipedia:Consensus should be reached. I have restored the original version where nationality is not addressed. Moreover, there was a discussion on L. L. Zamenhof page a while back. Any revert from now on would constitute edit warring. Merangs (talk) 19:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240310194200","author":"Merangs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Merangs-20240310194200-Esperanto","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240310195900-Merangs-20240310194200"]}}-->

So you propose to have your preferred version in place while you put handcuffs on me?

I looked at the Zamenhof talk page and saw no such consensus. Kwamikagami expressed repeatedly that Zamenhof identified as a Russian Jew. Jack Upland argued against over-emphasizing the Polish aspect. Feketekave argued against emphasizing any nationality at all. JorisvS said Zamenhof was natively Russian Jewish. Some people argued for listing Polish nationality but they didn't have enough policy backing or numbers to form a consensus. Binksternet (talk) 19:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240310195900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240310195900-Merangs-20240310194200","replies":["c-Kwamikagami-20240310201500-Binksternet-20240310195900"]}}-->

I've read that Z was 'Polish' later in life, by nationality if not by ethnicity, and in our articles on them we claim that his children were Polish (I think that may have been their native language). I don't know how much he identified as Polish, though he appears to have raised his children as Polish-speakers. (I don't know about Yiddish or Russian. They may have picked up Polish from their peers and used something else at home, I don't know. Z may have switched to Polish as his daily language after moving to Warsaw, and used that with his children, again I don't know.) He didn't think of himself as Polish when he created Eo, though, and Poland got its independence only months before his death.

Requiring a discussion for a contested edit is not "placing handcuffs" on you. WP is a collaborative enterprise, and for that we need to collaborate. There was a famous (and interminable) debate at around this time as to what was a Turk. Nationality is not a straightforward concept.

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@Binksternet: - Firstly, you are creating an edit war by imposing changes onto an article that was seldom modified for years and that is not healthy. I really do understand the contribution and the motivation for seeking the detailed truth about this, but here the problem is much deeper and goes beyond Wikipedia. Secondly, was he a Litvak Jewish or Russian Jewish now because the narrative keeps changing per your comments. I am attempting to create a neutral consensus here and not aiming for a 'Polish' outcome at all, though this was the narrative for a century and was taught at schools. Merangs (talk) 20:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240310201900","author":"Merangs","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Merangs-20240310201900-Kwamikagami-20240310201500","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240311034100-Merangs-20240310201900"]}}-->

My stance is that it's not healthy to continue hosting a slanted viewpoint that has been in place for years. A good example is the recent series of corrections made by one motivated editor to articles about Germany in World War II to counteract the influence of sources which promote the myth of the clean Wehrmacht. That work is stellar.[7]

Z was ethnically Litvak Jewish. Z was proud of his Jewish heritage, but he did not spend any time worrying about his ethnicity. He considered himself Russian Jewish because his family was in close association with the Russian government who was running things in the area. He spoke Yiddish and Russian natively, and learned Polish later. This is formative stuff. Beyond that, his thinking was transnational and international. He did not promote Russian interests or Polish interests or even Jewish interests. His family was focused on integrating with non-Jewish society. Binksternet (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240311034100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240311034100-Merangs-20240310201900","replies":["c-Kwamikagami-20240311043600-Binksternet-20240311034100"]}}-->

Z tried to create a unified Yiddish as well as Eo, so he was certainly concerned with the Jewish community. He spoke Russian natively (well, probably Belarusian, which is still considered a dialect of Russian where it's spoken inside Russia) and was a promoter of Russian literature. But yes, he also appears to have picked up Polish at a young age, and pre-Eo orthography shows a Polish influence.

The problem with nationality is defining it. If you mean ethnicity, then no, he was not Polish. If you mean citizenship, he was only Polish in the last months of his life. If you mean region, well, it all starts getting rather amorphous. — kwami (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240311043600","author":"Kwamikagami","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Kwamikagami-20240311043600-Binksternet-20240311034100","replies":["c-Merangs-20240311222900-Kwamikagami-20240311043600"],"displayName":"\u2014 kwami"}}-->

I agree with your comment on "he did not promote Russian interests or Polish interests or even Jewish interests", and as such "generating" a nationality or national identity in the Esperanto article is not necessary if this topic is so sensitive and debated. In a way, I do not think that us, a handful of Wikipedia users, even should approach this topic with contradicting bibliography and force an outcome as it will just create more hostility. Merangs (talk) 22:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240311222900","author":"Merangs","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Merangs-20240311222900-Kwamikagami-20240311043600","replies":["c-Kwamikagami-20240312003300-Merangs-20240311222900"]}}-->

There's no question that he was a Jew, only whether he was a rusa or pola Jew. But he wasn't a ruso or a polo, and citizenship can be robustly cited. — kwami (talk) 00:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240312003300","author":"Kwamikagami","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Kwamikagami-20240312003300-Merangs-20240311222900","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240312040500-Kwamikagami-20240312003300"],"displayName":"\u2014 kwami"}}-->

I'm late to the game, but Z's bio doesn't even say the word "Jewish" in the lead section. I can see there was an RfC about it in 2021, but dang. It's awful to hide that fact. What a crime. Binksternet (talk) 04:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240312040500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240312040500-Kwamikagami-20240312003300","replies":["c-Kwamikagami-20240312040900-Binksternet-20240312040500"]}}-->

I'm taking out 'ophthalmologist' and 'Warsaw'. His notability is Esperanto, so that should be the first thing mentioned. We might say he was 'a Russian-Polish Jew', but that can be discussed later. — kwami (talk) 04:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240312040900","author":"Kwamikagami","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Kwamikagami-20240312040900-Binksternet-20240312040500","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014 kwami"}}-->

Hi, I see you've been removing bold from some music articles quoting MOS:boldface, I looked at it and don't really see how it pertains to line-ups sections of some articles. Just wondering what part you've been interpreting as the guideline for that. Mewhen123 (talk) 13:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240315131700","author":"Mewhen123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mewhen123-20240315131700-Bold_removal","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240315153700-Mewhen123-20240315131700"]}}-->

I was looking at MOS:NOBOLD which says "Avoid using boldface for emphasis in article text" and "Avoid using boldface for introducing new terms." The bolding in band lineups was being used as form of emphasis to introduce new band members. Binksternet (talk) 15:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240315153700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240315153700-Mewhen123-20240315131700","replies":[]}}-->

On Tupac's page it was removed that he is a symbol of activism and fight against inequality. I have various professional sources that demonstrate his work as an activist (in fact he was also a very influential activist), can I send them to you to edit the page? Tupac in addition to being a rapper, was also a very important activist Pier1999 (talk) 13:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320134000","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320134000-Tupac_Page_on_Wikipedia","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240320151800-Pier1999-20240320134000"]}}-->

But is he consistently described as an activist in books and the media? Binksternet (talk) 15:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320151800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240320151800-Pier1999-20240320134000","replies":["c-Pier1999-20240320155900-Binksternet-20240320151800","c-Pier1999-20240320160500-Binksternet-20240320151800","c-Pier1999-20240320230900-Binksternet-20240320151800","c-Pier1999-20240320233500-Binksternet-20240320151800"]}}-->

Yes, for example when a star was dedicated to him in Hollywood, he was described as an activist and a revolutionary, as well as being a culturally influential rapper. I also contacted various academic scholars from various countries around the world, who have done various studies on Tupac. I can pass you all the sources, Tupac did a lot for the black community in the 90's. Pier1999 (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320155900","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320155900-Binksternet-20240320151800","replies":[]}}-->

obviously however, various books have been written about him which also talk about his work as an activist and there are many media articles that describing him as an activist Pier1999 (talk) 16:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320160500","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320160500-Binksternet-20240320151800","replies":[]}}-->

Can I send you the sources? I could improve Tupac's Wikipedia page. It is important that it is written that he is a symbol of struggle and activism against inequalities, because his life was also based on activism. I saw you removed Tupac from the activist category, but that's a mistake. Pier1999 (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320230900","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320230900-Binksternet-20240320151800","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240320232300-Pier1999-20240320230900"]}}-->

You are free to show me sources, but those sources won't erase the great mass of sources that call him a rapper. A rapper who puts out music about social injustice is not necessarily an activist. Tupac spent very little time building up the community, examining political policies or organizing social movements. Binksternet (talk) 23:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320232300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240320232300-Pier1999-20240320230900","replies":["c-Pier1999-20240320234200-Binksternet-20240320232300","c-Pier1999-20240320234400-Binksternet-20240320232300","c-Pier1999-20240320235900-Binksternet-20240320232300"]}}-->

https://thehilltoponline.com/2018/03/28/the-black-kennedys-how-the-shakur-family-bridged-rap-and-politics/?fbclid=IwAR3iJD_SQvDyr1tr4UPseU4y2t9gpy83QYPvv2rtXpbkeP6I6gg0uzyzgGc "With his 25 years on Earth, Pac proved that rappers are the minority’s true politicians as he did more for the live of blacks than any president before or after his existence. Not only did he facilitate a gang truce during the 1992 Watts Riots while creating a code of conduct for gang relations which is still followed to this day, Pac also contributed to numerous community activism movements." This Is Justin Cohen for Hilltop (Washington’s Howard University newspaper) Pier1999 (talk) 23:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320234200","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320234200-Binksternet-20240320232300","replies":[]}}-->

That's actually not true, Tupac was very involved in activism. Pier1999 (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320234400","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320234400-Binksternet-20240320232300","replies":[]}}-->

I also have other articles always written by academic scholars that demonstrate Tupac's great commitment as an activist however. I suggest you find out more Pier1999 (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320235900","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320235900-Binksternet-20240320232300","replies":[]}}-->

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2002/01/27/in-search-of-hip-hops-tupac-shakur/ I'll quote this article from the Chicago Tribune, it's an interview with Michael Eric Dyson, he is an academic scholar, one of the most important in African-American history. He also wrote a book about Tupac: "Holler If You Hear Me: Searching for Tupac Shakur." "Tupac, like King and Malcolm, was martyred, so he had that impact. He was also hugely influential when he lived–controversial, to be sure." In another part of the interview he says he was lecturing on the three icons: Martin Luther King, Tupac and Malcolm X. Like I said: Tupac was an influential activist Pier1999 (talk) 23:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320233500","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240320233500-Binksternet-20240320151800","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240321004200-Pier1999-20240320233500"]}}-->

We usually give student newspapers less weight, and the writer at The Hilltop doesn't say explicitly that Tupac was an activist. That's also the problem with Dyson's book, Holler, which does not label Tupac an activist. The Chicago Tribune source doesn't even carry the words "activist" or "activism", so I don't know why you would list it.

More explicit sources are this one about Ben Westhoff’s book Original Gangstas, and Karin L. Stanford's piece in the Journal of Black Studies. The latter source acknowledges that the mainstream media do not classify Tupac as an activist even though some of his life's work was essentially political and social activism. Which means that Stanford's scholarly article about his activism actually supports the idea that the majority of literature about Tupac does not categorize him as an activist. Binksternet (talk) 00:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321004200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240321004200-Pier1999-20240320233500","replies":["c-Pier1999-20240321011000-Binksternet-20240321004200","c-Pier1999-20240321011400-Binksternet-20240321004200"]}}-->

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/148529.Tupac_Shakur_ "Acclaimed for his writings on Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr., as well as his passionate defense of black youth culture, Michael Eric Dyson has emerged as the leading African American intellectual of his generation. Now Dyson turns his attention to one of the most enigmatic figures of the past decade: the slain hip-hop artist Tupac Shakur.Five years after his murder, Tupac remains a widely celebrated, deeply loved, and profoundly controversial icon among black youth. Viewed by many as a "black James Dean," he has attained cult status partly due to the posthumous release of several albums, three movies, and a collection of poetry. But Tupac endures primarily because of the devotion of his loyal followers, who have immortalized him through tributes, letters, songs, and celebrations, many in cyberspace.Dyson helps us to understand why a twenty-five-year-old rapper, activist, poet, actor" Pier1999 (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321011000","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240321011000-Binksternet-20240321004200","replies":[]}}-->

In reality in Dyson's book, as the description also says, Tupac is described as an actor, rapper, poet and activist Pier1999 (talk) 01:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321011400","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240321011400-Binksternet-20240321004200","replies":[]}}-->

More typical of the literature is this piece in The New Yorker which says that Tupac's parents were activists, but he was living the thug life of conspicuous luxury and excess. Binksternet (talk) 01:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321011900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240321011900-Tupac_Page_on_Wikipedia","replies":["c-Pier1999-20240321013600-Binksternet-20240321011900"]}}-->

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/books/review/tupac-shakur-authorized-biography-staci-robinson.html "“Tupac Shakur” is a touching, empathetic portrait of a friend. Even familiar stories achieve new intimacy at closer range. And small moments help clarify longstanding narratives, coloring in the outlines of this well-known tale of the actor-rapper-activist who died at 25." This is an article from the NY Times and it talks about the book that was written by Staci Robinson about Tupac. The only biography authorizes Pier1999 (talk) 01:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321013600","author":"Pier1999","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pier1999-20240321013600-Binksternet-20240321011900","replies":["c-David_Tornheim-20240321023800-Pier1999-20240321013600"]}}-->

Shouldn't this discussion be on the talk page of the article instead of here? I haven't extensively read the WP:RS on Tupac, but I have read up on him here and there, probably from both mainstream and from academic and higher quality sources. I did see his mother speak in San Francisco many years ago at Modern Times Bookstore on Valencia. I've long thought of "activist" as an appropriate label for him--rather than gangster for sure--but probably more as a secondary label rather than primary labels like "rapper", "artist", "musician", and "poet". Pier1999 has provided some RS above to support that claim. Also, I think what the mainstream media (i.e. NYT, CNN, Fox News, etc.) labels are of lesser importance than what the academic sources say per WP:RS: "Many Wikipedia articles rely on scholarly material. When available, academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources." I would, of course, make exceptions for reviewers who have substantial expertise about what they are writing about. Mainstream media treats so many subjects so superficially, they often get things wrong, or they exaggerate or leave out key facts. They love extremes, violence, and promote unreasonable stereotypes. Have either of you seen the film Hype!? Or are familiar with the Liebeck v. McDonald's case? This article (which I found in Google scholar) starts:

According to the book Black Demons: The Media’s Depiction of the African American Male Criminal Stereotype by Dennis Rome, “African American men are most typically seen as criminals, athletes, sports commentators, or entertainers....” (Rome 6).... Since the 1980s, the images that hip-hop and rap artists have created through the media have been solely based on gang violence, sex, drugs, and nonconformity... In the book Hip Hop Matters: Politics, Pop Culture, and the Struggle for the Soul[] of a Movement, S. Craig Watkins described gangsta rap as, “the unfiltered voice of a generation of angry and alienated young black men who inhabited America’s abandoned ghettos” (Watkins 45).

This sounds more along the lines of how I perceive Tupac. --David Tornheim (talk) 02:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240321023800","author":"David Tornheim","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-David_Tornheim-20240321023800-Pier1999-20240321013600","replies":[]}}-->

I've seen this edit summary before but this user has one edit (at this time) do you recognize it? or do you know a way to track edit summaries? No big deal, but when I saw the summary, I thought you'd be the one to ask :P - FlightTime (open channel) 21:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320211300","author":"FlightTime","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FlightTime-20240320211300-Possible_block_evasion,_sockpuppet","replies":["c-Iggy_the_Swan-20240320213800-FlightTime-20240320211300"]}}-->

I've also seen that edit summary on my watchlist but on a different topic altogether. Most likely different people use the same edit summary though block evasion could also seem likely. I've tried the edit summary search found at the bottom of our contributions pages and left the username box blank but the bad news is there are no results unless a valid username is filled in. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320213800","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20240320213800-FlightTime-20240320211300","replies":["c-FlightTime-20240320214900-Iggy_the_Swan-20240320213800"],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

@Iggy the Swan: Thanx for the comment, yeah when I saw the summary, I immediately recognized it, but the account only had one edit. Anyway I know Bink is great at research, hence my post here. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320214900","author":"FlightTime","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FlightTime-20240320214900-Iggy_the_Swan-20240320213800","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240320220500-FlightTime-20240320214900","c-Binksternet-20240320220800-FlightTime-20240320214900"]}}-->

That edit summary started showing up for lots of people a couple of days ago, including veteran editors. It doesn't indicate this new person is evading a block. Other factors must be examined. Binksternet (talk) 22:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320220500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240320220500-FlightTime-20240320214900","replies":[]}}-->

Same sort of decade-related edit from this edit from last June, but it doesn't look like block evasion. Binksternet (talk) 22:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320220800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240320220800-FlightTime-20240320214900","replies":["c-FlightTime-20240320221500-Binksternet-20240320220800"]}}-->

I'm no accusing anyone of evasion, its just the first thing that came to mind :P However thanx for your time :) - FlightTime (open channel) 22:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240320221500","author":"FlightTime","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-FlightTime-20240320221500-Binksternet-20240320220800","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I don't know if it's the right place to write but there is this user @216.181.9.217 who constantly changes genres in infoboxes. They've been doing this at Anne-Marie for quite a long time now and me and other editors were reverting it to the previous versions but with no results as this person edits it back just hours later. Today I decided to write on their talk page with warning and to let them know to discuss any unsourced changes beforehand but they just completly ignored it and guess what, edited the article again! I saw that person got one warning in February, 2 more from you this month and one from me today. In your last warning you wrote they 'may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time they add unsourced material to Wikipedia'. So I just wanted to ask, can we do something about it now that they are vandalising Anne-Marie's page too? I could be still reverting the edits but I don't see the point in doing it anymore considering that person edits it back hours later. And for context, Anne-Marie is a pop singer (does a bit of dance-pop and had some songs influenced by garage, pop-country, R&B etc.) and that person adds grime and R&B as main genres all the time (and while I can admit some of her early music was influenced by R&B, she never made any grime music). I'd be really grateful if you could have a look at this situation :) Goldlinexy (talk) 14:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323145200","author":"Goldlinexy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Goldlinexy-20240323145200-Complaint_about_user_216.181.9.217","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240323155200-Goldlinexy-20240323145200"]}}-->

I sent a report to WP:AIV. Let's see what happens with that. Binksternet (talk) 15:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323155200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240323155200-Goldlinexy-20240323145200","replies":["c-Goldlinexy-20240323211300-Binksternet-20240323155200"]}}-->

Thank you so much. From what I've seen that person got banned for a month but unfortunately just 3 hours after your revision another anonymous edit was made so possibly the same person under different IP address. May I ask you, since I'm pretty bad about all the reporting to administrators etc., if it continues can I report it to WP:AIV just like you did? Goldlinexy (talk) 21:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323211300","author":"Goldlinexy","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Goldlinexy-20240323211300-Binksternet-20240323155200","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240324005600-Goldlinexy-20240323211300"]}}-->

I went to WP:RPP and asked for page protection. Sometimes the admins who put pages into protection also block any new IPs who are from the same geographic area and are edit-warring in the same manner. Binksternet (talk) 00:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240324005600","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240324005600-Goldlinexy-20240323211300","replies":["c-Goldlinexy-20240324125800-Binksternet-20240324005600"]}}-->

That's good, thank you. Goldlinexy (talk) 12:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240324125800","author":"Goldlinexy","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Goldlinexy-20240324125800-Binksternet-20240324005600","replies":[]}}-->

Just to let you know the latest edit on the SPI above two days ago has already been added in the immediate section above with CU already on. But I think you are already aware this user still edits after the latest edit of the SPI, i.e. after 24 March 2024. Hopefully someone on the CheckUser team can act on it before Iggy Azalea etc. gets edited again. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240326163900","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20240326163900-Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations\/MariaJaydHicky","replies":[],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

My fact was removed about Hank never playing Your Cheatin' Heart live with the Drifting Cowboys because I had no reference. It was told to me by Don Helms, the steel player on the session. That should be good enough. If you don't believe it you will have to dig up his grave and ask him. You don't need to act like you know it all. Steelplayer2022 (talk) 15:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331153500","author":"Steelplayer2022","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Steelplayer2022-20240331153500-My_Hank_Williams_Post","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240331155600-Steelplayer2022-20240331153500"]}}-->

Your personal knowledge is not enough. Wikipedia is based on reliable, verifiable, published sources, not on the experiences of individual editors. Binksternet (talk) 15:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331155600","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240331155600-Steelplayer2022-20240331153500","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I'm DrKC MD. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Stop selectively removing content I add. It is petty harassment, and I have much better things to do with my time than to deal with your personality issues. DrKC MD (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403212600","author":"DrKC MD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DrKC_MD-20240403212600-April_2024","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240403214000-DrKC_MD-20240403212600"]}}-->

My first contact with you was on March 9 at the Punk subculture and List of political punk songs pages where you added a bunch of unreferenced analysis of your own,[8][9] violating WP:No original research. I don't think my warning to you on your talk page was hostile or "harassment", but it certainly was firm in saying stop doing what you've been doing.[10] From that warning, you reacted strongly to protect your indefensible violations, and you have doubled down by restoring text I removed. I don't see a good end to that path. You might wish to rethink your stance. Binksternet (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403214000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240403214000-DrKC_MD-20240403212600","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240403220600-Binksternet-20240403214000"]}}-->

DrKC MD, you don't have to issue two warnings in a row to my talk page. Once a conversation is initiated, you can respond at that thread. Binksternet (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403220600","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240403220600-Binksternet-20240403214000","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, I'm TheTechie. I noticed that you used a {{uw-vandalism4}} for an editor who has been block evading. Please note that it is likely better to not add that they are block evading in the description, as it may make the LTA'er more likely to keep abusing. That is all. If you reply, please ping me, my username is TheTechie. Thanks, thetechie@wikimedia: ~/talk/ $ 22:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403220800","author":"TheTechie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheTechie-20240403220800-User_talk:DinaRFranks","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240403221700-TheTechie-20240403220800"],"displayName":"thetechie@wikimedia"}}-->

TheTechie, that note was for others to see, not the sockmaster who is well aware of her banned status on Wikipedia. I doubt she will change her style based on whether there is action at any of her sockpuppet talk pages. My intent was to show interested admins that she had already used a similar username for a sockpuppet, to prove that my 3RR+ reverts at Cowboy Carter were legitimate based on WP:BANREVERT. I was protecting myself from getting blocked. Binksternet (talk) 22:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403221700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240403221700-TheTechie-20240403220800","replies":["c-TheTechie-20240403232600-Binksternet-20240403221700"]}}-->

@Binksternet I see, understood. thetechie@wikimedia: ~/talk/ $ 23:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403232600","author":"TheTechie","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheTechie-20240403232600-Binksternet-20240403221700","replies":[],"displayName":"thetechie@wikimedia"}}-->

Hey Binksternet, you're pretty adept at identifying whose socks new accounts are. Does Kepin' it FUNKY look like somebody to you? MariaJaydHicky perhaps? Registered today and already saying "stick to the source" a la WP:STICKTOSOURCE and fiddling with genres on Beyoncé's new album.... Ss112 10:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404102500","author":"Ss112","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ss112-20240404102500-Whose_sock_do_you_think_this_account_is?","replies":["c-Iggy_the_Swan-20240404131300-Ss112-20240404102500","c-Binksternet-20240404135000-Ss112-20240404102500"],"displayName":"Ss"}}-->

I personally agree with this claim but disagree with what the user has put on their user page about password which looks similar to another previous user page version:[11][12]. The new user page was created after this opening edit for the section. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 13:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404131300","author":"Iggy the Swan","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Iggy_the_Swan-20240404131300-Ss112-20240404102500","replies":[],"displayName":"Iggy"}}-->

That's a sockpuppet. I'll file a report if it hasn't been done already. Binksternet (talk) 13:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404135000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240404135000-Ss112-20240404102500","replies":[]}}-->

While i was fixing up the article called This Is It (concert residency) from a few hours ago, but you reverted that article from these 2 edits from IP address.

Can you please double check on that article and revert to the way it should be? If not, please explain why you reverted that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2403:5811:E30A:0:AD28:A16C:8D60:EEAF (talk) 16:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404162100","author":"2403:5811:E30A:0:AD28:A16C:8D60:EEAF","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2403:5811:E30A:0:AD28:A16C:8D60:EEAF-20240404162100-Fixing_up_the_article_called_This_Is_It_(Concert_residency)","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240404173000-2403:5811:E30A:0:AD28:A16C:8D60:EEAF-20240404162100"]}}-->

Your contribution didn't make any sense, and you didn't cite a source. Binksternet (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404173000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240404173000-2403:5811:E30A:0:AD28:A16C:8D60:EEAF-20240404162100","replies":[]}}-->

One way or another, there's going to be a hatnote. The song I heard on my favorite online radio station may not have been enough of a hit to be notable. Nevertheless, it is mentioned in several articles and I added it to the previous redirect target, but where it is that I added it may be incorrect. You make it sound like the other song is notable, but it doesn't have an article. What do you think?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404182800","author":"Vchimpanzee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vchimpanzee-20240404182800-Tonight_We_Love","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240404233400-Vchimpanzee-20240404182800"]}}-->

I don't understand the question. Binksternet (talk) 23:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404233400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240404233400-Vchimpanzee-20240404182800","replies":["c-Vchimpanzee-20240405163900-Binksternet-20240404233400"]}}-->

I don't know which "Tonight We Love" can be considered more notable but you changed the redirect target to Party 'Til You're Broke.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240405163900","author":"Vchimpanzee","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vchimpanzee-20240405163900-Binksternet-20240404233400","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240406042800-Vchimpanzee-20240405163900"]}}-->

Right, I'm with you now. You're referring to this change from four years ago. My reasoning at that time was the chart success of the Rufus version. I don't know how much success the 1941 Freddy Martin version enjoyed. Binksternet (talk) 04:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240406042800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240406042800-Vchimpanzee-20240405163900","replies":[]}}-->

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I'm not sure if this was intentional, but these edits of yours completely gutted the middle part of story of the 47 Ronin. including many referenced sections. Please fix up the article. Jpatokal (talk) 09:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240413092700","author":"Jpatokal","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jpatokal-20240413092700-47_Ronin","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240413130300-Jpatokal-20240413092700"]}}-->

I removed two whole sections because they were tagged for cleanup. I looked at the cited sources and failed to see support for the text. Binksternet (talk) 13:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240413130300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240413130300-Jpatokal-20240413092700","replies":["c-Jpatokal-20240413221300-Binksternet-20240413130300"]}}-->

Seriously? If you claim to have looked at the source (which is available online in full) and found discrepancies, why did you not rewrite the section to match the source instead? Jpatokal (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240413221300","author":"Jpatokal","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jpatokal-20240413221300-Binksternet-20240413130300","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings, Binksternet, I have once again, reverted your changes on the Black Sabbath song, Solitude's article, but this time, not without a number of improvements that clearly made the album in-line with the criteria's for noteworthy songs, such as by specifying the song was a B-side to the single, Children of the Grave, has received a multitude of covers and critical acclaim, and several new sources were added. At this point, it seems the song's addition is fully justified, but if you still have any doubts, just take it down again and we'll end it there. Diskyboy (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240418222700","author":"Diskyboy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diskyboy-20240418222700-Solitude_-_Black_Sabbath","replies":[]}}-->

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I added some more sources to Woman in the Moon (album), including three other reviews and two articles that give info on the development of the album. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240429180900","author":"TenPoundHammer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TenPoundHammer-20240429180900-Woman_in_the_Moon_(album)","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240429201100-TenPoundHammer-20240429180900"]}}-->

Thanks. Binksternet (talk) 20:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240429201100","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240429201100-TenPoundHammer-20240429180900","replies":[]}}-->

A whole bunch of changes have been slapped onto the OHWs in the USA article. Are there major changes that we need to make, or is there something else happening at the moment? I don't know what to do.

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Looks like a bunch of sources have been tagged for being unreliable. The tagged ones are based on these webpages:

• playback.fm – lacks a human author, probably automated web scraper
• mentalitch.com – lacks a human author, probably AI-generated text
• 360degreesound.com – looks okay to me because the website has multiple editors and contributors.[13]
• medium.com – generally unreliable source, depending on the author and the topic. See WP:MEDIUM.
• metv.com – lacks a named author, just "Staff". The "about" page does not name any editors or writers which is worrisome.[14]
• www.musicgrotto.com – looks okay to me because the website has multiple editors and contributors.[15]
• rtt80s.com – Wordpress blog, falls under WP:USERG. If someone can establish Paul Stroessner as a music critic or musicologist then this can be used.
• sporcle.com – looks like a blogging platform which allows anyone to contribute. Same as medium.com. If the author doesn't use their real name then the reliability goes waaay down.
• buzzfeed.com – possibly unreliable source, depending on the author and the topic. See WP:BUZZFEED.
• tidal.com – lacks a human author, probably automated web scraper
• reads-it.com – suspiciously automated appearance, with every article written by "Bobby McNeill" but no list of editors or contributors. The notional Bobby McNeill does not have a reputation as a music expert. Looks like AI-generated text.
• cracked.com – looks okay to me because the website has multiple editors and contributors.[16]
• watchmojo.com – I'm baffled because I can't find a list of editors and contributors, but writer Andy Hammersmith might be a pop culture journalist from Ohio.
• whatculture.com – Maybe okay, maybe not. Writer Alexander Greensmith appears to be a real human, but the website does not list its editors and contributors.
• hollywoodgossip.com – The named author is fake or a pseudonym: Tattle Taylor. Might be AI-generated text.
• whosampled.com – lacks a human author, probably automated web scraper

There are some other dodgy sources that were not tagged by Ahecht:

• junkee.com – The main problem here is that Junkee is based in Australia, so if they think a musical artist is a one-hit wonder, that has little relevance for the USA. The writer Nathan Jolly looks like a career music critic from Australia.
• audacy.com – Questionable source, does not list its team of editors or contributors. The named author is Marni Zipper who works for Sony in Los Angeles as a digital marketer.

I think we need to establish which of these can be considered reliable, and which are not. Binksternet (talk) 01:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240430015200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240430015200-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240430001900","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, i noticed that my recent edits for Golden age of American animation, were reverted by you because of evasion of some guy name SonicClub. Idk who he is but I'm not the guy you think is evading, if I'm even evading at all.

Message me back when you're available, thanks. (talk)

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I have stopped even warning or reverting them and immediately report them at AIV instead, which I just did for KIRKALLEN2030. S0091 (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523154500","author":"S0091","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-S0091-20240523154500-Brettandelle","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240523154800-S0091-20240523154500"]}}-->

I leave breadcrumbs behind for others to see. I know my warnings will never stop this incorrigible vandal. Binksternet (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523154800","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240523154800-S0091-20240523154500","replies":["c-S0091-20240523155600-Binksternet-20240523154800"]}}-->

@HorrorLover555 and I requested page protections a few days ago but were unfortunately declined. Do you think if the pages were protected that would help or would they just move on to other pages? S0091 (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523155600","author":"S0091","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-S0091-20240523155600-Binksternet-20240523154800","replies":["c-HorrorLover555-20240523160100-S0091-20240523155600"]}}-->

They usually move on to other articles or post about their edits on the article's talk page, with the usual grasping at straws approach of insisting that said lineup of said band are now trios when they provide no evidence that they have left the band. Brettandelle has been doing this for a very long time now. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523160100","author":"HorrorLover555","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-HorrorLover555-20240523160100-S0091-20240523155600","replies":["c-S0091-20240523160800-HorrorLover555-20240523160100"]}}-->

Thanks. I just recently came across them maybe a month-ish ago so not familiar with the history. I'll continue to report at AIV so they are blocked quickly but will leave warning on their talk page referencing Brettandelle. SPI is so backlogged it usually takes time for a any action. S0091 (talk) 16:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523160800","author":"S0091","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-S0091-20240523160800-HorrorLover555-20240523160100","replies":[]}}-->

Your argument on the misandry page is highly flawed, the sources your citing as experts seem extremely biased, and upon inspection do not seem like good objective sources, nor objectively as experts. Some of the sources are opinion articles- how can this be consider as an expert source? You're citing people who give no room for nuance to what is clearly a nuanced issue Belsinfps (talk) 23:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523235000","author":"Belsinfps","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Belsinfps-20240523235000-Misandry","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240523235400-Belsinfps-20240523235000"]}}-->

You clearly haven't read any of the scholarly works. Binksternet (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240523235400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240523235400-Belsinfps-20240523235000","replies":["c-2601:581:4500:A680:C1D6:95DD:6FE8:5DED-20240524132700-Binksternet-20240523235400"]}}-->

I've read the scholarly works, as I've said, the sources seem very biased. And you only seem to be considering sources that agree with your own perspective. There are plenty of scholarly sources that support the concept of misandry, and there are many easy to find cases of feminist figures making misandrist remarks, or supporting laws that discriminate against men 2601:581:4500:A680:C1D6:95DD:6FE8:5DED (talk) 13:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240524132700","author":"2601:581:4500:A680:C1D6:95DD:6FE8:5DED","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2601:581:4500:A680:C1D6:95DD:6FE8:5DED-20240524132700-Binksternet-20240523235400","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240524132900-2601:581:4500:A680:C1D6:95DD:6FE8:5DED-20240524132700"]}}-->

Bullshit. If you had read the sources you would know better. And I had no opinion on the topic until I read the sources. Binksternet (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240524132900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240524132900-2601:581:4500:A680:C1D6:95DD:6FE8:5DED-20240524132700","replies":["c-Bishonen-20240524143600-Binksternet-20240524132900"]}}-->

FYI: I have blocked the account and the IP (obviously the same person) for the PA you removed. Bishonen | tålk 14:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC).__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240524143600","author":"Bishonen","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Bishonen-20240524143600-Binksternet-20240524132900","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240524143700-Bishonen-20240524143600"]}}-->

Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 14:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240524143700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240524143700-Bishonen-20240524143600","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. Please do explain your stance on misandry. It is a very real phenomena, and has scientific backing. For example, the Empathy Gap. Tiggy The Terrible (talk) 09:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240526091100","author":"TiggyTheTerrible","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TiggyTheTerrible-20240526091100-Conflict_on_Misandry_Page","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240526171300-TiggyTheTerrible-20240526091100"],"displayName":"Tiggy The Terrible"}}-->

I don't wish to speak to you about it, especially after you showed clumsy thinking when you accused me of misandry: "If you don't view it as equally important to misogyny, you are commiting it." That's a ridiculous statement, with grossly faulty logic. I have no reason to continue arguing any point with anyone who thinks that way. Binksternet (talk) 17:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240526171300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240526171300-TiggyTheTerrible-20240526091100","replies":["c-TiggyTheTerrible-20240528080900-Binksternet-20240526171300"]}}-->

@Binksternet To say it is not equally important is to, inherently, claim that discrimination against one gender is less important. I think you'll find that's a fair summary. After all, if I viewed misogyny as less imortant, would you not come to the same conclusions? Tiggy The Terrible (talk) 08:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240528080900","author":"TiggyTheTerrible","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TiggyTheTerrible-20240528080900-Binksternet-20240526171300","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240528125500-TiggyTheTerrible-20240528080900"],"displayName":"Tiggy The Terrible"}}-->

You are caught in a false equivalence. Discrimination is measurable, and the people who measure it say that one of the two is far less prevalent, and far less harmful. The higher prevalence and harm make misogyny more "important", more of a societal problem. Misandry happens to far fewer people, and the harm caused by misandry is much less. Binksternet (talk) 12:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240528125500","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240528125500-TiggyTheTerrible-20240528080900","replies":["c-TiggyTheTerrible-20240613185200-Binksternet-20240528125500"]}}-->

@Binksternet Would you say the draft only applying to men is misandry? Or the Duluth Model defining the perpetrator as male by default? Tiggy The Terrible (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613185200","author":"TiggyTheTerrible","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-TiggyTheTerrible-20240613185200-Binksternet-20240528125500","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240620192300-TiggyTheTerrible-20240613185200"],"displayName":"Tiggy The Terrible"}}-->

Men are the ones who draft men into the military. How can the draft be misandry if it's run by men?

Was the Duluth model put together by people who hate men, or was it put together by people who looked at statistics and observed a trend? Binksternet (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240620192300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240620192300-TiggyTheTerrible-20240613185200","replies":["c-TiggyTheTerrible-20240730101400-Binksternet-20240620192300"]}}-->

@Binksternet I think the term is 'internalised sexism'. The Duluth Model was specifically put together by feminists, and there is a famous book by one of the founders saying that they essentially worked backwards from their conclusions and ignored contrary evidence. There is a well known phenomena called the Gender Empathy Gap, which shows men and women both side with women. Particularly when women are said to be in peril. Tiggy The Terrible (talk) 10:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240730101400","author":"TiggyTheTerrible","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-TiggyTheTerrible-20240730101400-Binksternet-20240620192300","replies":[],"displayName":"Tiggy The Terrible"}}-->

Yep, it's that clown who wastes his time messing up the track lists on albums. I found another IP address associated with him: User:100.40.13.39. And one of the pages that he vandalized was one of his favorite targets: Trent Willmon (album).

Sorry if I sound rude, but I think it might be a good idea to block any IP address that this guy uses because I'm starting to get fed up with having to revert his unnecessary edits. MusicDude2020 (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240528211400","author":"MusicDude2020","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MusicDude2020-20240528211400-Guess_who's_back...","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240529010400-MusicDude2020-20240528211400"]}}-->

I put a warning on the talk page "Long-term abuse from Madison, Wisconsin. Block evasion by Special:Contributions/199.197.64.0/18. Continuing the disruption of Special:Contributions/71.117.180.143 and many-times-blocked Special:Contributions/2600:6C44:107F:B258:0:0:0:0/64."

Next move is to report this person to WP:AIV with the above text. Binksternet (talk) 01:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240529010400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240529010400-MusicDude2020-20240528211400","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, there is a small dispute on the OHWs in the USA page about Bustle.com and whether or not we can establish it as a good source or not. I think we can, but we need some conformation on this. Thank You ~ Alex :) Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 22:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607221100","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240607221100-Question_about_Bustle.com","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240607221700-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240607221100"]}}-->

Bustle is fine. They are an online magazine with high quality editorial oversight.[17] I have used them as a reference several times. Binksternet (talk) 22:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607221700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240607221700-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240607221100","replies":["c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240607221900-Binksternet-20240607221700","c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240607225200-Binksternet-20240607221700"]}}-->

Thank You! Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607221900","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240607221900-Binksternet-20240607221700","replies":[]}}-->

According to one user, the issue needs to be worked out, as the reliability status of Bustle.com is unclear. We can discuss it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_one-hit_wonders_in_the_United_States&action=history Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 22:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607225200","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240607225200-Binksternet-20240607221700","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Bink. I was looking at the page for The Beach Boys 1985 album and noticed something odd. There are huge swaths of information there that are hidden from view, and it also looks like they were copied from the band's main page. ([[18]].) I looked up the user who did this and noticed they've been doing it on other pages as well, including [[19]] and [[20]]. Surely this is not a correct usage of WP:HIDDEN, yes? If this denotes some kind of "work in progress," it seems to me that it could be confusing for other editors and is more suited for a personal sandbox (or offline). Especially if it's added and then left that way for extended periods of time, which seems to be the case here. Please let me know what you think.—The Keymaster (talk) 08:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611084800","author":"The Keymaster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Keymaster-20240611084800-Hidden_text","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240611122900-The_Keymaster-20240611084800"]}}-->

This should not be happening. Certainly WP:HIDDEN does not support leaving large chunks of peripheral text hidden in the article. And peripheral it is, not directly relevant to the article. Binksternet (talk) 12:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611122900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240611122900-The_Keymaster-20240611084800","replies":[]}}-->

Sup? I just a question about the reliability of this website. Thanks! ~ Alex

https://hiphopdx.com/ Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 23:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611232500","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240611232500-Question_about_HipHopDX.com","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240611233400-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240611232500"]}}-->

I think they are reliable enough for music news. They have an editorial team and permanent staff. I have cited them in the past. Binksternet (talk) 23:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611233400","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240611233400-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240611232500","replies":["c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240611235700-Binksternet-20240611233400"]}}-->

Thank You! Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 23:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611235700","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240611235700-Binksternet-20240611233400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Binksternet,

Just a quick question, what would be your next move if the disruption continues after EC protection expires? COI/N? SPI?

For the time being, I have left a personalised message on User talk:Steptacular12 about COI editing and the sockpuppetry policy. Hopefully my message is clear to them. — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613015500","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20240613015500-Disruption_on_Steps_articles","replies":[],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

Update: I have ended up filing an SPI (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Steptacular12), under the advice of User:BusterD on that ANI thread. — AP 499D25 (talk) 02:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613022600","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20240613022600-Disruption_on_Steps_articles","replies":[],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

Also, while I'm here, who is this IP editor? I noticed you left a message about disruption using multiple IPs on their talk page. They have actually continued making many of those "New changes" edits since then, but I have no background on who this person is for me to report them. — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613015800","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20240613015800-Disruption_on_Steps_articles","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240613052200-AP_499D25-20240613015800"],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

It's block evasion by Special:Contributions/31.11.96.0/19, Special:Contributions/164.8.7.72 and Special:Contributions/46.123.247.1. That person has been disrupting articles under many IP addresses geolocating to various places in the Balkans including Slovenia and North Macedonia. The recently involved IPs include the following:

• 62.162.133.189 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.254.236 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• ‎46.123.248.213 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• ‎46.123.245.86 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.242.71 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.246.206 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.251.109 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.241.64 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• ‎46.123.241.212 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• ‎46.123.241.151 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.241.155 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• ‎46.123.241.10 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• ‎46.123.254.190 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.254.170 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.248.85.211 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 185.100.245.4 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.250.125 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.255.194 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 46.123.253.92 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))

This person was blocked for a year as Special:Contributions/92.53.17.0/24, and they have never addressed the problematic editing style that led to the block. They never improved their behavior. The small amount of communication from them shows that they don't intend to change anything. I think we must block the ranges Special:Contributions/46.123.241.0/24 and Special:Contributions/46.123.248.0/21, then play Whack-A-Mole with the outlier IPs. Binksternet (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613052200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240613052200-AP_499D25-20240613015800","replies":["c-AP_499D25-20240613055400-Binksternet-20240613052200"]}}-->

I see. Damn, this is quite a mess! If I put the addresses starting with 46.123 that you listed above into the range calc, I get 46.123.240.0/20. Looks like we might possibly need an LTA infopage. I see you already posted to AN/I about this, I will invite a previously involved admin (one who made prior blocks) on their talk page if this doesn't get actioned on in two days. — AP 499D25 (talk) 05:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613055400","author":"AP 499D25","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AP_499D25-20240613055400-Binksternet-20240613052200","replies":[],"displayName":"AP\u00a0499D25"}}-->

Hi Mr. Blink

For this song, I added the rock subgenre arena rock but was removed. This was sourced on singersroom.com where they state the song is, “a favorite among fans of arena rock and power ballads.” I would say this is direct enough language that wouldn’t violate WP:EXPLICITGENRES(Though I’m not entirely sure). Also, I found that the song features the characteristics of Arena Rock, like keyboards, anthemic power ballads, and a very arena-heavy sound. Why was this removed on the info box then? 68.134.60.19 (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240626151900","author":"68.134.60.19","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-68.134.60.19-20240626151900-\u201cDon\u2019t_Stop_Belivin\u2019\u201d_Music_Genre","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240626152900-68.134.60.19-20240626151900"]}}-->

I don't see singersroom.com as a reliable source. The website does not list an editorial board. The author, Edward Tomlin, is not a known music critic. Binksternet (talk) 15:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240626152900","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240626152900-68.134.60.19-20240626151900","replies":["c-68.134.60.19-20240626162500-Binksternet-20240626152900"]}}-->

Alright, makes sense. Will look to use more mainstream music news sites instead since they are most of the time reliable 68.134.60.19 (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240626162500","author":"68.134.60.19","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-68.134.60.19-20240626162500-Binksternet-20240626152900","replies":[]}}-->

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neil_Hamilton_(politician)&diff=prev&oldid=1231067342

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alan_Lee_(illustrator)&diff=prev&oldid=1219358468

Different people have told me different things on this. Which is correct please? Rodericksilly (talk) 18:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240626184000","author":"Rodericksilly","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rodericksilly-20240626184000-MOS:Early_life","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240626194300-Rodericksilly-20240626184000"]}}-->

I've done it both ways, but more often with just the surname at the start of the early life section.

On the other hand, examples of biographies that I wrote from scratch, containing the full name repeated, would include Dan Dugan (audio engineer), Chrystal Macmillan and Agnes Mary Mansour which have GA status, and Henry Edwards (entomologist) which has FA status.

If you like repeating the full name, you might base your argument on WP:LEAD which says that the lead section is intended to be a summary of the article body text. The full name would thus be displayed in the article body. Some redundancy is expected between the infobox, the lead section, and the article body.

The opposing style guide would be MOS:SURNAME which says every subsequent usage of the name is just the surname (for most people). But this ignores the LEAD guideline, creating a conflict. I imagine local consensus must be respected at each biography. Binksternet (talk) 19:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240626194300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240626194300-Rodericksilly-20240626184000","replies":["c-Rodericksilly-20240626215000-Binksternet-20240626194300"]}}-->

Thanks for that. Seems like a bit of a muddle on Wikipedia's part though. Rodericksilly (talk) 21:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240626215000","author":"Rodericksilly","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rodericksilly-20240626215000-Binksternet-20240626194300","replies":[]}}-->

What's up? Check out this error I got. After I made an edit and try to view a lot of sources/citations, it said, "the time allocated for running scripts has expired"

What does that mean and how does it happen and how do I fix it?

Thanks! ~ Alex Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 17:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240628174800","author":"Ya Boy Alex!","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240628174800-An_error_I_encountered","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240628184200-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240628174800"]}}-->

I'm not sure what that's about. My best guess is that some code in the background failed to run, and some other dependent code got tired of waiting for it. Binksternet (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240628184200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240628184200-Ya_Boy_Alex!-20240628174800","replies":[]}}-->

A user called MaksimKravcuk removed several genres from Tarzan Boy, even though they were sourced. They did not even give a reason for the removals. I added them back, but you removed them. Why did you not talk with MaksimKravcuk? 2600:6C5A:417F:528F:DC93:76FD:8D6:1C8A (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629000400","author":"2600:6C5A:417F:528F:DC93:76FD:8D6:1C8A","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2600:6C5A:417F:528F:DC93:76FD:8D6:1C8A-20240629000400-Tarzan_Boy","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240629010700-2600:6C5A:417F:528F:DC93:76FD:8D6:1C8A-20240629000400"]}}-->

First off, you're that guy from Greater Atlanta who keeps adding excessive genre stuff to music articles, and also slapping excessive links in music navigation templates. I've told you to get better sources but you are still using poor ones.

The genius.com source you chose has some automated "tags" for genre. Automated tags are crap sources; what you want is a music critic or a musicologist talking about the style of something, writing in full sentences. That's where the good stuff is. Binksternet (talk) 01:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629010700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240629010700-2600:6C5A:417F:528F:DC93:76FD:8D6:1C8A-20240629000400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi 164.177.73.18! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Butterfly (Crazy Town song) several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:Butterfly (Crazy Town song), please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you.

You have no right to remove sources. You delete a lot of them. Most of them are contrary to your view, which is why your editing is considered vandalism. Moreover, these are ~10 sources of varying quality and notoriety, so your change is technically against Wikipedia's rules. If you have any suggestions to concere source, you must indicate in the talk page which source exactly are being questioned and why. 164.177.73.18 (talk) 18:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630183100","author":"164.177.73.18","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-164.177.73.18-20240630183100-June_2024","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240630184700-164.177.73.18-20240630183100"]}}-->

You are adding poor quality sources such as daft.fm, shazam.com and lyricslayers.com, for the purpose of diminishing the nu metal genre. Cut it out. Binksternet (talk) 18:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630184700","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240630184700-164.177.73.18-20240630183100","replies":[]}}-->

Why did you undo my contribution? We all know that american-japanese has been interned for anti-spying policy. 93.22.137.128 (talk) 19:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630192600","author":"93.22.137.128","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-93.22.137.128-20240630192600-About_japaneses_internment","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240630193200-93.22.137.128-20240630192600"]}}-->

What is your source? I don't see any source discussing a notional "anti-spying policy". Binksternet (talk) 19:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630193200","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240630193200-93.22.137.128-20240630192600","replies":["c-93.22.137.128-20240630194100-Binksternet-20240630193200"]}}-->

https://www.ushistory.org/us/51e.asp on the image description.

I don't say that japanese was spies, but the american government thought so.

So please keep my update 93.22.137.128 (talk) 19:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630194100","author":"93.22.137.128","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-93.22.137.128-20240630194100-Binksternet-20240630193200","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240630195300-93.22.137.128-20240630194100"]}}-->

Of course the government was worried about spying. But what is the "anti-spying policy" that you are talking about? Such a policy would be written down and documented. Binksternet (talk) 19:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630195300","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240630195300-93.22.137.128-20240630194100","replies":[]}}-->

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066

Japaneses peoples was considered as a threat, and then interned.

""" Executive Order No. 9066

Executive Order

Authorizing the Secretary of War to Prescribe Military Areas

Whereas the successful prosecution of the war requires every possible protection against espionage and against sabotage to national-defense material """93.22.137.128 (talk) 20:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630204100","author":"93.22.137.128","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-93.22.137.128-20240630204100-About_japaneses_internment","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240630214000-93.22.137.128-20240630204100"]}}-->

The problem with your primary source document is that it is contradicted by another one: "Findings and Purpose". There was virtually no sabotage or spying, therefore no good reason to put all those people in interment camps. Your suggestion would legitimize the internments despite the fact that a scholarly consensus exists regarding how the Japanese-heritage residents of the United States were not actually spying or commiting sabotage. Binksternet (talk) 21:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630214000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240630214000-93.22.137.128-20240630204100","replies":[]}}-->

The song "Kids in America" by Kim Wilde is featured in "The Strangers: Prey at Night", the film itself is my source. Aldo Sosa 92 (talk) 23:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630232800","author":"Aldo Sosa 92","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aldo_Sosa_92-20240630232800-You_made_a_mistake","replies":["c-Binksternet-20240630233000-Aldo_Sosa_92-20240630232800"]}}-->

Yes, but it's not important unless the media notice it and comment on it. You would need a WP:SECONDARY source to insert the fact. Binksternet (talk) 23:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240630233000","author":"Binksternet","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Binksternet-20240630233000-Aldo_Sosa_92-20240630232800","replies":[]}}-->

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